TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Bowser's Castle (Mafia Chat)

[HighPrincessErinys]

rolling scum for the first time in my team mafia game is uh... just a spoonful of pressure

[HighPrincessErinys]

A rolecop claim might be tricksy when you only have 3 uses of it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Would definitely be careful of an actual Mario claim gambit because this one thinks it's like... 50/50 he is or isn't here and if he IS then that's a big uh oh.

[HighPrincessErinys]

You know that the flavors of Mario, Rosalina and Daisy are not in the game, and may be used as flavor safeclaims. I can make fake rolecards for you if you provide me the flavor and role you wish to use.

oh.




Neat!

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one'll probably just stick to a normal Goomba claim it thinks, don't wanna overthink it

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah the provided easy flavor is a good idea but Rosalina and Daisy both feel like oddball picks? If that makes sense?

[HighPrincessErinys]

S'pose so... Daisy is probably the easier one to make a fake for because this one can't help but draw a line of like Rosalina -> Astral Observatory -> Seer/Oracle flavoring -> Investigative and that might be risky when you're the rolecop around here, ey?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah Daisy could be basically anything. Vigilante was one of my thoughts (leaning into the tomboy aspect would be a good flavor explanation but we don't really need to bring that up in a claim), and it'd be easy to fake outside of protectives being silly, in that we just nightkill someone and pretend "oh, the protective must've blocked the nightkill!", though there's a few dangerous possibilities there like, bodyguard, we somehow killed the doc oops, etc. Also of course the problem of proving "nooo im totally vigilante :)" to a probably suspicious town. And also if there's already a Vig-like. But, its better than nothing, right?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Shoot some possible fakeclaims to make when you can, since this one isn't too super sure how to approach the problem.

[HighPrincessErinys]

wgeurts already feels like a problem in the making.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It might be a good idea to try and get town to chew eachother up over the power-up stuff, if possible?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Well that's moreso what it means, try to goad them into voting someone who wants the power-up despite it all.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Told ya, problem in the making.

[HighPrincessErinys]

that should hopefully be the end of engaging with wgeurts for a while, and hopefully not be an overextension

[HighPrincessErinys]

turning this around into a wgeurts wagon would be AMAZING but this one is going to leave it unless prompted for now

[HighPrincessErinys]

was at the store, hoo boy

[HighPrincessErinys]

would like a quick post review before this one makes any blunders:

I'll be honest I don't really remember your play from the xyzzy game but I can take a look later.

But by your own reasoning, shouldn't you be voting for me then since you had higher expectations from me in a sense?

A little, but this one doesn't know about outright VOTING you for that when it has genuine reason to believe in a scum motivation by wgeurts.

Lockscum

kids these days


doesn't nearly have a good a ring as confscum

Now.

For those questioning me, shhhhh, all in due time

That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.

HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.

I'm not a huge fan of this post. I think evaluating people's reasons for voting itself can be a valid form of scumhunting in of itself. As for "who it thinks we should be voting instead", its vote was already on you anyway

They're giving me a whole bunch of waffle. Jingle comes in and says he's a bit suspicious of Porken's, suddenly HPE is questioning Porken's too and walks back their vote on me a little. Note that Porkens is voting with HPE. If HPE is a passive player, I want to shove them off the fence and get them to take hard stances. If they're not used to that, making them squirm will in the short term and long term be telling enough.

This one is suspect of Porkens independent of Jingle's post because he's just not done a whole lot all game other than suddenly buddy up and vote with me, but that could just be "hey, I believe you", but he's still not given many posts of substance either way. And you explaining your reasoning more in-depth for why you're voting me, i.e. 227, does give me town vibes, even if as this one said to CSF that it has reason to believe still you have a scum motive behind things. What are

your

thoughts on Porkens the other other no-substancer, since you're currently under the impression that Adorable is currently within their townrange?

[HighPrincessErinys]

ah fuck it cant expect you to babysit me. we ball

[HighPrincessErinys]

my fate vote is risky but if wgeurts goes "ayo?" this one can just say "you're still a scumlean i just want this guy to talk" and then start throwing questions at fate in the same post if possible

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pushing the letter on a wgeurts wagon is risky, so staying alive is top priority and a lim on them is bonus.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Staying alive by NOT being survivalistic, as you said.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Currently the doublevote is tied between Porkens and Adorable so there's a chance it just won't go to anyone.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It SHOULD be about donezo with that.

[HighPrincessErinys]

yeah that's mostly why this one was SO in wagon range LMAO

[HighPrincessErinys]

just, people dont know the meta, so its hard to play off it. at the very least it seems to be working now that CSF and RR have made the conclusion "oh that's HPE's townrange" but also like, after this game the meta well is poisoned a little even if it has a consistent playstyle between town and scum, so thats sad

[HighPrincessErinys]

yeah thats a dead wagon

[HighPrincessErinys]

hoping for like, maybe a N2 jingle kill maybe before they get TOO towny and solvy

[HighPrincessErinys]

RR and CSF this one would definitely prefer to keep around as long as possible because they'll be inclined to townlean me due to meta, Porkens has been sheeping me as of late which is useful... wgeurts and Fate are both doable mislims but either could be PR.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's less worrying about them being PR at all and moreso, that's probably a wagon that's dying and a doc on them if they claim. Though we DO ofc have a strongman which might be good on any cop/tracker/etc claims.

[HighPrincessErinys]

wgeurts definitely has a death grip on me

[HighPrincessErinys]

this is going alot better than this one was expecting

[HighPrincessErinys]

Was thinking of an inverted order, actually, wgeurts lim, fate nk, peta lim, jingle nk

[HighPrincessErinys]

Let's hope the target on your back doesn't get a hole in it, eh?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Let's hope the target on your back doesn't get a hole in it, eh?

uh oh!

[HighPrincessErinys]

At the very least the doc will PROBABLY be on you, and you'll be safe for a day.

[HighPrincessErinys]

As in "well mafia could easily intuit there'd be a protective on me after the claim so they killed someone else" and then we can ideally go a while longer without anyone calling your claim into question.

[HighPrincessErinys]

878 is really funny when Jingle is kinda playing to our tune right now.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah, still catching up, but rn this looks good.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It mightttttttt be worth killing someone like CSF tonight? Jingle/petapan have a good chance of killing eachother, and Fate is determined to be the best mislim bait there ever was.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one has a really, really stupid claim idea: Universal Backup Daisy.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Was honestly thinking of bricking Fate in the face since this one doesn't trust them to be as easily murdered by town now, and CSF is beneficial to my whole meta narrative.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Rolecop on Adorable is fine by me and this one was kind of thinking it should ninja anyway, so if we can agree on a kill we should be good for the night.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Consulted Aisa and her thoughts were along the lines of Fate's weird ass aggressive play being potentially dangerous, but CSF is a solid townplayer and killing Fate would leave us with a more analytical than not town. Also concerns that peta/Jingle living would possibly show scum trying to get the two to keep dueling eachother possibly into a mislim.

[HighPrincessErinys]

In the event we miss night deadline this one will say these can be our actions:
Rolecop Adorable
Ninja-Kill Cat Scratch Fever

If you've got a better idea and this one isn't awake to discuss it with you then go ahead and supersede it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Adorable is Princess Peach. She is a loved bodyguard, so +1 vote to hammer, and unlimited bodyguarding.

oh thats HUGE.

[HighPrincessErinys]

and thank god thats the tracker down. might commit to the universal backup claim tbh.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Adorable is Princess Peach. She is a loved bodyguard, so +1 vote to hammer, and unlimited bodyguarding.

What exactly does Loved mean here? Is there a Lover and we'll get a two-for-one by killing Adorable, or...?

[HighPrincessErinys]

So a high priority target either way.

[HighPrincessErinys]

this massclaim man, hoo boy

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do I corroborate Adorables claim? Like... her claim means I lost the verifiable nature of my claim, lol.

man idk??? Hopefully Fate can have a stupid moment and maul someone who isn't you.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Yeah, our funny combo.

[HighPrincessErinys]

@Mod

Does my Strongman effect go through Tanooki or DK?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you think this one should make it's universal backup claim and say it's an even tracker now? Join the whole massclaim thing?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Do you think this one should make it's universal backup claim and say it's an even tracker now? Join the whole massclaim thing?

Choice made for me by someone bothering to ask me to claim.....

[HighPrincessErinys]

it would be fucking majestic if adorable somehow got mislimmed here

[HighPrincessErinys]

So in advance, definitely want to 'clear' Jingle tonight by saying this one tracked him, because right now even though this one's read favor has dropped in his list, it's still pretty thoroughly in his pocket rn it would say.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It would be nice to not be implicated if you die, yes. Otherwise do just try and keep yourself alive.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Also...might be worth clarifying if you were to target the target of a bodyguard while using the strongman, would both the bodyguard and the the target die?

Reiterating this question for the mod because a 2-for-1 would be HUGE.

[HighPrincessErinys]

A shame.

[HighPrincessErinys]

part of me wants to kill fate tonight just on principle

[HighPrincessErinys]

p-p-p-p-pETAPAN?? OF ALL PEOPLE?? HERE TO WHITE KNIGHT FOR YOU??

[HighPrincessErinys]

So in advance, definitely want to 'clear' Jingle tonight by saying this one tracked him, because right now even though this one's read favor has dropped in his list, it's still pretty thoroughly in his pocket rn it would say.

DEFINITELY want peta now the way he's white knighting you for no reasonable... reason

[HighPrincessErinys]

curse that radical rat for having a sound argument...! and also curse me not having enough material to go "wellll you like to bring up the possibility of scum!fate without prompting alot"

[HighPrincessErinys]

ALRIGHT. TIME TO GET MY SHIT TOGETHER. WOULD REALLY LOVE TO MAKE A STUPID FUCKING PLAY ON "WTF PETAPAN WENT TO THE KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!" BUT THIS ONE WOULD BE DEAD AS A DOOR NAIL THE NEXT DAY SO. MAYBE NOT RN.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one isn't super sure how to go about things but it was thinking of deliberately killing Adorable with a Strongman? It had some idea on how to use that against RR ("well if it was strongman that gets past effects like rolestopper, why didnt they kill the TRACKER??") but it could easily be explained as "well what if adorable just protected someone" and not "what if RR isnt the role he says he is" so idk if that's like. A great idea...? Also need to figure out who to """"""track""""".

[HighPrincessErinys]

And it's not your fault, you got swamped by real life priorities. Happens to the best of us.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Clearing wgeurts who was my biggest rival might be good, esp if it can push peta as a result.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Standard kill on... Fate, actually. Might consider a Strongman later.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Strongman, actually. Fate looks like my best option for making others look bad, even if that kinda includes me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Strongman NK on Fate was and is my final actions............................................................................................

[HighPrincessErinys]

It would be nice to not be implicated if you die, yes. Otherwise do just try and keep yourself alive.

Thank you.

[HighPrincessErinys]

its a little funny that things like "nooo there'd DEFINITELY not be a full strongman" and such are just actually present. shame this one wasted the strongman on fate last night but it was a worthwhile kill

[HighPrincessErinys]

witnessing a real time red herring moment

[HighPrincessErinys]

so, even without strongman (absolutely tragic opportunity miss momento), as long as no one gets any bright ideas about trying to elim me in the next two day phases, we win!

[HighPrincessErinys]

Kill wgeurts

Even if it has almost nil chance to work, this is the best kill option and holstering is needlessly suboptimal.

[HighPrincessErinys]

OKAY. Here comes the fun part. Jesus Christ. We're so close.

Kill Adorable

For myself: Adorable dying points to no one in particular as it could be that scum guessed wrong on trying to kill me or wgeurts, or is trying to frame me deliberately as the obvious thing to do would be to disrupt the plan and make it so that my track claim isn't verifiable because the target is, y'know, dead.

[HighPrincessErinys]

+1 for fast night if we can do that

[HighPrincessErinys]

violent urge to shitpost when twilight happens but want to be ABSOLUTELY sure no shenanigans happen

[HighPrincessErinys]

either way: this looks good so far if peta has their sights on wgeurts

[HighPrincessErinys]

its a little funny that things like "nooo there'd DEFINITELY not be a full strongman" and such are just actually present. shame this one wasted the strongman on fate last night but it was a worthwhile kill

honestly my condolences to cakez for all of the things people expect of the setup (no full strongman, king boo, etc) being completely wrong because thats gonna raise some hell