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hmm. is it too late to errata?Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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you could disguise it by me editing all the errata'd roles since i don't think i actually edited the thread for themYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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i'd then post something to the NIM thread saying "in light of a game of this being run, i have updated the roles in the thread that were either not normal or unclear. this is the most recent revision of NIM, and will be used for any games that are run."
that might also count as attempting to influence the game...
hmm. maybe listmod intervention would be helpfulYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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yeah. annoying that we didn't catch that earlier, still gonna say probably let S_S knowYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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yeah that’s goodYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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great, i’ll do that in a few minutesYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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hmm let's see
cop with false positives
early game but conditionless protective
protective that loses the ability to protect others if it cops one kill or succeeds, or if it gets late
invest/confirm, essentially confirmed townie i think according to the setup
manip/confirm, negative utility but self confirming
effectively killer that will jump in front of its own gun if it shoots town
invest, which is essentially a cop that doesn't serve as the original for the backup and is inno to gsmith
gated manip, albeit a faster one
protective that can die to more or less confirm a scum if it breadcrumbs
named townie
vanilla mafia member
universal backup
universal backup
SK that can live pretty far out with good dayplay
hmmYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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universal backup is for their team only
oh god
mafia has no chance
they have no power roles against an entire town of PRsYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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is it too late to reroll i think this is gonna be a slaughterfest for mafiaYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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well alright
let's see if mafia can make a good show of itYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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i would assume that's the design of the role. shield seems to basically be reverse bodyguard and bodyguard i think can be doctored so likeIn post 43, Alianna wrote: If Aureal successfully blocks a kill with the Shield and still has the BP shot, does she survive?
probably?Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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"attack" versus "die"In post 46, Something_Smart wrote:
She would die. BG/shield dying is a separate effect, and not something that can be blocked by BP (or doctor, for that matter).In post 43, Alianna wrote: If Aureal successfully blocks a kill with the Shield and still has the BP shot, does she survive?
We should probably make this more clear on the wiki.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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literal magic i tell yaYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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i ran into this issue before
generally wait before you make the moderator announcement?Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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i guess?Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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yeah at this rate SK might lose to being focused by the town sooner than they expectedYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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gimme a bit i’ll draw a diagramIn post 73, Alianna wrote: ...this action resolution is going to be a nightmare.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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still waiting on those last few actionsYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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In post 132, biancospino wrote: For the kill (which it is I that should do),do you think ccs is still mislimmable?He is probably really the loyal checker tbh, which is basically a cop and can be a problem, but maybe it's possible to keep him around as a credible skchecks action resolution
doesn't seem super alive right now tbhYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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i'm not sure if multiple bullet-jumpers all trigger at once or if stacking protections like this causes one to take priority over the other
it's a question of if the kill "happened" or not i guess
otherwise your action resolution looks good
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you got unlucky and are making sure action resolution is smoothIn post 83, Alianna wrote: I now realize that I am in over my head and agreeing to mod this setup was probably a mistake.
that's leagues ahead of making mod errorsYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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In post 82, Alianna wrote:
Hmm. I have consulted S_S.In post 81, Cook wrote: i'm not sure if multiple bullet-jumpers all trigger at once or if stacking protections like this causes one to take priority over the other
it's a question of if the kill "happened" or not i guess
we may have an answerYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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resolve on that list top-to-bottom
shield is a block not a protect
so shield resolves first, which causes the vig part to fail (consequently causing the bodyguard part to not trigger) and aureal to die having taken the shieldYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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under this one:
camelCasedSnivy gets "Your check succeeded" or however you phrase it
Aureal gets a "Your check succeeded" or however you phrase it
Doctor Drew gets a "Your target has a gun" on Save the Dragons (backups of roles with guns have guns)
Flavor Leaf gets a "BlueSnakelet is aligned with the Town."
usesPython's bulletproof expends a shot.
Aureal dies to shielding the kill.
humaneatingmonkey dies to usesPython's kill.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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both bodyguard and shield interfere with the killIn post 88, Alianna wrote:
Does this apply though?NAR wiki wrote:Do not use this list unless actions are actually in conflict; that is, that both affect each other.
If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list.
bodyguard protects the kill's target from harm and then dies as a result
shield stops the killer from killing and then dies as a result
i'd argue they come into conflict because one could plausibly interfere with another resolving properly
i.e. shield might stop the kill from happening in the first place whereas bodyguard protects someone from a successful kill
like the difference between a doctor protecting a target and a roleblocker blocking the killer
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i can do vc's if need beYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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seems rightYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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hmm...
roleblocking creates a bit of an endless paradox if you say "both roleblocks happen"...
you have either two scenarios:
1. the roleblocks mutually roleblock each other. (this results in other actions taken also being roleblocked.)
2. the roleblocks mutually fail due to being roleblocked. (this results in other actions succeeding.)Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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this should have been in the ruleset tbh we just didn't catch it
there's no consensus on what it does even in normal games, just that it needs to be planned forYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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and seeing as we're resolving things as if they're normal...
hmm.
you would have had to have made a judgement call already so that there would be something to go back on.
i don't think this is the way of going about it atallbut saying "if you don't put me in this situation then i won't have to make an arbitrary decision" might fix itYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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it shouldn't? roleblock is a roleblock, and it's clear from other roles' design that there are situations where they'd be stopped individually (vigi + loyal bodyguard) but that's not a roleblock per seYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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sometimes it's all you have. happens to the best of us.In post 113, Alianna wrote: No response, so I'm just going to answer with #2. I was concerned about undue mod influence, but I don't really think that's avoidable as I have to make some ruling in any case.Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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seems rightYour friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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and that's game! very cool!Your friendly neighborhood chef and baker. LONG LIVE THE CHEFHAT REBELLION!
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