Gistou: The domination of the hunters

[beeboy]

LOL WE ARE THE CULT

[beeboy]

Wait maybe we aren't this is confusing >_>

[beeboy]

Once in the game, during the night you may attempt to convert a human. If successful, they will join your faction as a fifth member. This ability is used up regardless of success. You must specify who is doing the conversion. This takes the place of your nightkill.

@mod does this imply we have a fourth member of is this a typo?

<<< As you were quick to realize...not a typo. You have four members: Salt Squad, Wayward Thinker, Cephrir, and RAM. >>>

[beeboy]

Oh I missed Cephrir all together my bad

[beeboy]

Ya i too think lurking is a good idea right now.

[beeboy]

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[beeboy]

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
I am 99% sure that's a sample wincon.

[beeboy]

Town assuming we have some form of sample pm doesn't surprise me at all.

[beeboy]

so literally everyone is scum in this game if theres more than 1 town faction

That's how multi factional games tend to work.

[beeboy]

I think multiball town means that half the town wins with one faction, while the other half wins with a different faction.

We would be informed of that from our role pm so I doubt it.

[beeboy]

Nope.

[beeboy]

What if there are no town members and there are just a bunch of scum factions.

[beeboy]

We can also recruit scum aligned players if they are Human LOL

[beeboy]

We should recruit LLD or Frozen Angel btw

[beeboy]

We can just kill the ABR hydra and Heartless they aren't necessarily who we want as scum mates.

[beeboy]

Nah our plan still works

N1 / N2: Kill ABR and Heartless
We racecop both FA/FB and LLD on those nights

If human = recruit.

[beeboy]

ABR hydra might not be a threat though since we don't know what his reads are yet.

[beeboy]

Yeah, racecop one per night.

Mastin, I'm not too familiar with NAR: if we race cop a human on the same night they are recruited, do we receive human as a result, or their new race?

Also, the wuldens may not care about us. It's not impossible that they have an entirely different faction they must remove.

I can answer the NAR question.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Resolution
Investigations occur last so... ^_^

[beeboy]

So yes we would get there new race.*

[beeboy]

I don't think that's true.

I think you could make that assumption with the human wincons. The opening post literally says "your faction is your wicon".
Also the assumption could easily be made with a lone race win con.

Not convinced Titus is scum because of that and bullets should be pointed elsewhere.

[beeboy]

We can disengage from you later.
We kind of just had a consensus scum read on you from all our posts and not voting you would be horrible.

[beeboy]

Ceph I think our engagements have been really legit looking this game.

[beeboy]

It's a 28 player game 1 vote won't make or break anything.

All of us catching up saying your posts where scummy then deciding to not vote you would break us :/

I am sorry.

[beeboy]

We kind of uncoordinated that scum read you ;_;

[beeboy]

Don't mean to be bossy and I also don't know what your plan is so feel free to completely ignore me.

LQ you don't need to get everyone to explain why they are scum reading you because that won't exactly make the situation better just more clear which could potentially be worse then having a naked vote. It would be better if you start focusing on finding town and scum reads and if you can do that "successfully" town reads will fall into place as a result. I feel like a lot of your play is revolving around yourself and there isn't even a lot of notable pressure heading in your direction from my POV.

I know I am really bias with this observation and this isn't something I plan on bringing up in the game obviously but it is a trend I am noticing. (Although I am not really following any of your slots right now that clearly)

[beeboy]

Four our lone vampire fake claim to make any sense we kind of need to race cop Luna n1 :/

[beeboy]

I am starting to think we are a lone anti town faction because 23-5 seems balanced to me 18-5-5 is kinda op op.

[beeboy]

4 man + cult = 5

[beeboy]

3 town factions + indie factions + 2 scum factions

op op

[beeboy]

We have to race cop Luna tonight :/
Our narrative this game is a lone vampire faction POV and it wouldn't make sense for us to do anything but faction cop the claimed indie.

[beeboy]

Meh I think we can race cop Luna then just start targetting LLD and Frozen Angel to see which one is human.

[beeboy]

Like Molla is the same problem where he 100% isn't the race we need to kill and we probably shouldn't recruit him either since if people get non-human results on him they will assume he is scum.

[beeboy]

We are the only race cop right?

[beeboy]

Well every single player in the game has a natural cop ability.

But yeah that's true we can just target LLD, hard town read Luna all game and either justify it by saying she was a vamp or justify it by saying we want to win with town and Luna was obv town.

[beeboy]

Wait we have 2 cop abilities >_>
I haven't read non factional parts of my role pm.

[beeboy]

we have to claim some form of cop ability in the late game but ok.

[beeboy]

Poor Heatless sniped almost all of us and they are lynching A50

[beeboy]

I assume all the indie players are town reading her as she claimed indie.

[beeboy]

I = individual.

[beeboy]

I think he is fake claiming lol

[beeboy]

Cool so that means that Luna fox is a nosferatu which means you guys should pretend to town read her if you are going with the nosferatu claim.

[beeboy]

Cause she said all that humanity crap.

[beeboy]

@mod are we a threat to the individual nosferatu faction?

[beeboy]

Shit a faction that isn't us got DGB

[beeboy]

@mod out of the factions we know exist which of them are we not threats to?

[beeboy]

This is kinda hard if we don't know our allies lol.

[beeboy]

i've read the damn mechanics post several times

[beeboy]

@mod are we against a new humanity treaty?

[beeboy]

Because if we are it isn't indicated anywhere I don't think.

[beeboy]

So no we don't win Nosferatu.
The vamp win con is really vague and I still don't understand if we can with them or not.

[beeboy]

I don't think we win with Vampires either.

Our original role pms goal is to follow the elders.
But the fake claim basically says to screw them.

Although neither one explicitly states we are enemies like how all our role pms basically say we hate humanity :/

[beeboy]

Fuck this is hard let's just lynch vampires so we don't get lynched lol

[beeboy]

How the hell can the individual factions have a factional ability if they don't even know who each other are

Maybe there is no individual vamp faction >_>
Because the vamp faction members don't need to be alive to win.

[beeboy]

LIKE WHAT IS THIS GAMU

[beeboy]

This is frustratingly fun tho mastin.

[beeboy]

I am fine voting scum Day 1 in all honesty.

[beeboy]

I could discredit that by saying I was making it the leading wagon.

[beeboy]

But yeah maybe not the best idea.

[beeboy]

Nah I appreciate it, what you are saying is something I should be careful about.

[beeboy]

I am race copping Frozen N1.
I think that hydra would be a stronger partner then LLD and LLD would likely be recruited by another player.

[beeboy]

Ok tell me if you reconsider based on in game interactions.

[beeboy]

The mechanic post said only humans can be culted

[beeboy]

Oh I get my mistake now.

[beeboy]

Ima keep the vote tho.

[beeboy]

I think you guys should start voting people >.>

[beeboy]

I'm not that concerned. I find it super odd she voted Franky over us though.

Same that's why I am worried.

[beeboy]

I am worried she plans on lynching you once Franky gets replaced.

[beeboy]

To be fair all the 3rd parties want to know who the other 3rd parties are.
They just don't realize there is like 5 3rd party factions so there softs don't matter >_>

[beeboy]

Dram is my top town read, I don't know why I am voting Kuroi I am getting worried staying on this wagon.
I may have to bus again.

[beeboy]

is in my top town reads*

[beeboy]

Suzune is VLA.

[beeboy]

I am hoping she comes back and starts towning really hard so people can reevaluate there reads.

[beeboy]

Would you mind if I tried to tie you with Titus LQ?

[beeboy]

Would you mind if I tried to tie you with Titus LQ?

IDK, I would give you shit about that since its pre-flip. What would be the plus sides to doing that?

Lynching Titus if you ever flip.

[beeboy]

Titus is conf biasing very hard already though so I apparently don't need to do much. I am trying to see if I can get Titus to tie herself to you on her own though so just pretend you don't know I am doing this.

[beeboy]

Unless what Heatless said isn't true cause I am not really reading this game that hard.

[beeboy]

Toog has just claimed a bunch of the info in the individual vampire role pm.

TOOG IS A VAMP BRO!

[beeboy]

maybe tho not sure.

[beeboy]

What should WT fake claim?
Human or Nosferatu?

[beeboy]

The JAOT fake claim they where given is pretty legit looking.

[beeboy]

l

I think they should use there fake claim use the human ones but refuse to say they are human.

[beeboy]

It's full of provable stuff tho but I think we can make it work.
Maybe claim 1-shot doctor instead of 1-shot vig but not sure how that works with flavor >_>

[beeboy]

Oh I never thought of it

[beeboy]

I assume kills work that way unless otherwise stated not the other way around.

[beeboy]

nah you should fake claim JAOT.

[beeboy]

letting conversation run will help fuel everyone hate for this games speed.

[beeboy]

lawl I am also disengaged dw

[beeboy]

That's true :/
I really don't think anyone is voting because of me in all honesty I haven't added anything of value to the wagon.

[beeboy]

If I stop posting I am def getting scum read and I am in a position where it is really hard for me to disengage. >.>

[beeboy]

Can we kill someone with a lot of posts so reading the thread becomes easier?

[beeboy]

as town I wouldn't so I am roleplaying as a townie to the max.

[beeboy]

my problem with townies like Luna staying around is that if I don't read the thread i can't be town read.

[beeboy]

or we could troll everyone and kill the lurkers

[beeboy]

LOL

[beeboy]

oh god let's not use night kills to claim vig.

[beeboy]

kill really townie people or cross kills we can't lynch are the only kills I will accept.

[beeboy]

I think using 1 or maybe 2 to claim vig is fine but using any more isn't worth it.

[beeboy]

Nah Cerb I think the only way we can win is if I start bussing you for town cred.
I will prepare a case for the morning

/s

[beeboy]

I wasn't busing because i had 0 intent of letting your slot die. But anyway since I am not voting your slot anymore that isn't even relevant anymore.

I think we should kill Dramonic.

[beeboy]

The Dram kill lets us do 3 things.

1) stops most of the WT pressure.
2) we can just say it was a bad kill for WT scum and that they are being framed.
3) Say Suzune recommend the kill because dram was horribly misrepresenting your slot.

[beeboy]

Heartless is a better night kill but we are assuming town doesn't have a watcher because they are too obvious of a night kill right now.

[beeboy]

LQ would be shooting Klingon or would at least be pushing dram so we need to use Suzune as an alibi. It isn't really a pro more of an excuse.

[beeboy]

We could kill Luna I guess? or BBmolla?

[beeboy]

I really don't want to kill heartless.
How much of a threat are they when they are too apathetic to follow the thread?

[beeboy]

Like I don't want WT to get watched.

[beeboy]

presumably most recruits will be wasted night one unless other factions have the race cop + recruit combo.

[beeboy]

Nu my vamp bro.
oh well.

[beeboy]

Heat we just lynched a vamp bro ;-;-;-;-;

[beeboy]

Poor guy.

[beeboy]

true

[beeboy]

SS race cops LLD?
RAM cops ????
Cephrir cops ?????
WT cops ?????

RAM redirects StormBlade to StormBlade.
Cephrir tracks BBmolla

WT kills Dramonic/Heartless/??????

[beeboy]

I like these for actions but idk what you guys want

[beeboy]

The survivors are already treating themselves as masons given there win con so meh if Storm flips scum whatever.

Also storm is either scum, some sort of PR, or they being horrible for the funzies. Let's assume the first 2 and that makes them self redirecting better.

[beeboy]

I mean ideally we are redirecting PRs.
Also not everyone is a powerful PR which is what I assume stormblade is or scum or they are really worried about being killed with there survivor wincon but that doesn't justify them not scum hunting in there neighborhood PT.

[beeboy]

Or they are scum hunting in the hood and ABR told everyone to lie.

[beeboy]

Lots of possibilities but redirecting stormblade feels like the best option.

[beeboy]

They don't really need to claim vig considering scum vig is a role I have seen in larges before so it has a decent chance of being treated as a provable role not a town role.

pedit: I guess I would be ok with that.

[beeboy]

would a member of the individual vampire faction be given a human fake claim if they wanted one?

[beeboy]

I just lynching how grew lynching Kuroi was.
The vampire faction ability neighborizes and confirms someone as towm. That is pretty strong

[beeboy]

I was thinking of "town slipping" and saying I asked the mod for a fake claim and wasn't given one proving vamps are town.

[beeboy]

But eh if they think they are scum and get lynched idc that much lol

[beeboy]

I was thinking of "town slipping" and saying I asked the mod for a fake claim and wasn't given one proving vamps are town.

If LLD flips not human I think our slot should do this anyway.

[beeboy]

Kuroi fake claiming with my wincon would defenitly confuse me as town.

[beeboy]

I just realized how good lynching Kuroi was.

....
I think my phone recognizes lynch and the variations as a commonly used word.

[beeboy]

He was town.

[beeboy]

WE ARE SO GOOD AT THIS GAME

HIGH FIVE TEAM

[beeboy]

Another scum team killed BBmolla I am not sure who would have killed Titus.

[beeboy]

Nah I think Dram was an original member of the cult if he is the cult.
Because flips contain the original role pm and all changes to it.

[beeboy]

Fire thinks Titus just flipped scum lol.

[beeboy]

LLD IS AN ENEMY DEATH WILL RAIN DOWN ON HER.

[beeboy]

No we don't know it is a guilty

[beeboy]

All we know she is not human and we can't user our factional vampire recruit on her.

pedit: our wincon requires us to kill her so she dies at night.

[beeboy]

Dram is probably in the squad with Luna and StormBlade btw.
I kind of like the idea of eliminating a faction so we should kill them both back to back.

[beeboy]

Since StormBlade was an other race like dram.

[beeboy]

We have so many enemies lul

[beeboy]

I don't like the idea of having a horribly consistent game plan tho.
I am going to try really hard to justify stop pushing once Suzune posts.

[beeboy]

I feel like us 180ing this right now points to us being scum and WT being our ally :/
I am just going to lurk out though,

[beeboy]

I like how we are getting shit for using our mod given fake claim and not the literal guilty we have on us

[beeboy]

I think people forgot about the guilty tbh.

[beeboy]

I kind of want to kill Luna Fox I think she is the factional cop. I can go in more detail but it is really obvious why.
If she thinks she got redirected That also means she thinks scum know about her existence which means her living proves i am scum.


Heartless may be a better kill simply because we are kind of a lost cause.

[beeboy]

She literally claimed she was the factional cop.

[beeboy]

Cakez ceph's recent post is why I told you we can't push LLD maybe I should have told you that.

[beeboy]

I was skimming, what was it?

Factional guilty on us > race cop semi guilty on LLD.

Also we targeted LLD because we wanted to convert her meaning we must have had some form of town read. I will try and communicate better

[beeboy]

Uh let's talk on skype.

[beeboy]

To be fair I think this vampire stuff distracts town from the actual guilty on us so it evens out.

[beeboy]

The people who think we would honest claim scum probably aren't the same people who would assume redirection on a night 1 cop result

[beeboy]

I convinced Luna to not use her cop LOL

[beeboy]

If we actually flip scum in Luna's hood I am confirmed as town :/
But if there is scum in Luna's hood an entire faction knows I am full of shit.

[beeboy]

Actually wait no I think if we flip scum I confirmed scum.

[beeboy]

Actually wait no I think if someone in the hood flips scum we are confirmed scum.

EBWOP

[beeboy]

on a 1-10 scale how much do we quick hammer LLD at l-1?

[beeboy]

You give the home Nation result of West Empire.
You give the Location result of Great Lake.
You give the Race result of Vampire.

Yes but it isn't our wincon o3o

[beeboy]

Same :/

[beeboy]

Uh Storm is scum reading our entire team.
>_>
Can we kill them and just redirect Luna?

[beeboy]

Our scum team is honestly in a horrible position :/

[beeboy]

Luna why did you cop me out of curiosity I am trying to figure this out and I am trying to see if someone enabled you to cop me.

Oh i was curious if you were our ally or not.

I was strongly townreading you

, but that doesnt necessarily make you our ally.

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[beeboy]

Redirect Klingon (watcher) and strongman kill Luna. She won't be targeted by 2 watchers unless Klingon was fake claiming which I doubt .
Also 2 watchers is just meh.

[beeboy]

This experience would be less annoying if it didn't take 100 pages to lynch the cop guilty

[beeboy]

LLD is globally scum read though. Me and RB are the only one fighting against that lynch.
i still think redirecting Klingon to RAM and strongman kill Luna is the best option.

WT is going to eat investigatives though at this point which sucks.

[beeboy]

Actually watching heartless may yield better results.

[beeboy]

You guys should bus us now lol

[beeboy]

Luna defenitly just sealed this,

[beeboy]

Pst Ceph put me at L-1 so someone can hammer me lol.

[beeboy]

Pls kill me ;w;

[beeboy]

LOL

[beeboy]

She already claimed wulden though o3o
She is just confirmed not in our faction. My flip sort of implies the wulden are the cult faction which will make people fear LLD even more... hopefully.

[beeboy]

We could always kill KC but Luna is likely to cop one of us I believe >_>

[beeboy]

Guess that just leaves us with redirecting KC and killing Luna.
I don't see us winning leaving up claimed investigatives.

[beeboy]

Well BBmolla was definitely a scum controlled kill...

[beeboy]

I will keep posting but I am totally a goner and plan on self hammering at L-1 o3o

[beeboy]

We tried.
I had fun playing with you guys