Gistou: The domination of the hunters

[Cephrir]

oh my god what have i done

[Cephrir]

mildly upset about being a vampire when there are werewolves, which are way cooler. on the other hand undead werewolves are way less cool than normal ones.

anyone who doesn't know fakeclaims weren't provided off the bat (i.e. Tim) is probably town

[Cephrir]

i suggest everyone townread molla, not doing so is goofy as fuck

[Cephrir]

We are Mafia/Cult!

Hi, guys, LQ here. I can say I am honestly stoked to be with this team! Such great players!

I suggest you look over my last Scum game to get a feel for how I play. You can find this here.

I should not that Titus is usually really good at spotting my Town game or rather, spotting my Scum game as seen here.

Basically my point is that Titus may discover I am Scum very early in the game and this is a fear of mine, so to plan for this I suggest we find out what we do about it if it does happen.

it's ok titus has no credibility and no one cares what she thinks

[Cephrir]

the biggest danger for me in this game will be looking like i'm having fun. it's a pretty big scumtell. hopefully i can play it off as the setup seeming cool and being excited to have rolled tracker again after my last very successful outing.

[Cephrir]

well ok not that big it's just that as scum i'm always having fun and as town i'm only having fun in 50% of games or so

[Cephrir]

I can't tell if I already made the same mistake as last time Titus Scum read me so fast, being me not knowing something Town should know.

BB said they were not human but aligned with human.. that might be the Town win con, not sure.

Don't be so self-conscious.

[Cephrir]

so that's why you've always been so mopey in games I've played with you

Probably <_> I generally only enjoy playing town if the game is actually a good game and people aren't being shitty to me and/or each other, or I like the player list, or have a cool role, or SOMETHING.

@mastin: can I have my fakeclaims asap? Also, I'd like to select location

because I think that's what I'd do if I were town.

[Cephrir]

i think vampire is less scummy a result but scummy all the same

it means you can potentially claim vampire flavor tho

also nice post cerb i was going to say you were town in here then i remembered you're on my team #pro

[Cephrir]

Anyways, so you're choosing location ceph? I feel like whatever we choose, it should be a duplicate of what someone else chosex that way you can all target one person and get full intel on them, while we remain BP until we have something we want to redirect.

you mean the opposite of duplicate? diversify?

i was thinking diversifying was the obvious choice but we could be tricksy hobbitses and not do that for claiming down the line related reasons

[Cephrir]

oh i gotcha

wanna join me on location then?

[Cephrir]

1) Do we use our race cop to find wuldens or humans? Other team, or target for growing our own team?

Situational. If there's anyone who would be useful to us as scum but also might be scum, investigate them. If we already know at least one living human, look for wulden.

they probably have a race cop as well and we really want that to die

[Cephrir]

2) Do we have the strongman or the ninja send in our kills? Ninja unless we have cause to ensure a kill goes through, I believe.

i'd like to sit back and track if at all possible. my not-killing action is better.

[Cephrir]

Pedit: hmm. I think it might be best to have backup nation? Nation seems to be more informative? Maybe I'm wrong though, hard to tell from just what we know.

maybe it is, i literally have no idea

[Cephrir]

Any thoughts on any of the players you may have played with before in this game? Particularly threatening players/valuable recruits?

heartless is scary but not a good recruit
there are quite a few players who i find illogical -- they'll be unpredictable and I don't know what to do to get townreads form them
LLD is scary and possibly a good recruit (but do we want to wifom our recruits...?)
TWIE is low key scary -- he has good reads but doesn't push them with any charisma so no one cares

[Cephrir]

oh we can act and kill can't we, i didn't think about that

i'll see if i can get a townread out of anti, i've been having good games with him lately. if he's not onto us, we can wait for someone else to kill him, but he probably will be and actually already sort of is

[Cephrir]

i think we should air on the side of using ninja unless we have a reason to believe we need the strongman. town protective roles are shockingly bad a lot of the time. heartless might be an exception but we'll see how they shape up, heck they might not even be town for all i know @ this point

[Cephrir]

oh ya i can't track and kill

so we should probably strongman until further notice

[Cephrir]

maybe don't kill heartless right away due to possible watchers unless we have to

[Cephrir]

anyway speccing on it now is kind of pointless, day play will give us a much better idea what we want to do/who needs killing than any of this meta trash.

[Cephrir]

this conversation is getting extremely dangerous and i should probably stop posting until we get our fakeclaims

[Cephrir]

ugh mastin get in here don't open threads without scum having claims you KNOW people are gonna start playing no matter what you say

[Cephrir]

we don't know what the town win condition is

[Cephrir]

be my guest, i'm hesitant to say anything about it personally

[Cephrir]

ok true we just need the name of the faction

[Cephrir]

i think luna just gave it to us??

[Cephrir]

indeed not, because we really should have one

anyway all scum now know luna is town, but town don't, so that could be fun to watch. we should probably consider not giving her a pass for this reason.

[Cephrir]

i felt brave

[Cephrir]

probably

[Cephrir]

Really interesting that town can't win solo.

-Cerb

it's just saying that the scum factions endgame them, nothing nonstandard there

[Cephrir]

Well no, what she outlined means this scenario isn't a victory:

3 town, 1 scum, 1 of the town is a vig. Town mislynches, vig shoots scum, scum shoots the vig. Now there's only one slot left alive, and all threats are eliminated, but they don't win because there isn't ANOTHER slot sharing their wincon still alive.

Pedit: what suzune said. The real key is whether or not the town factions count as threats to one another. If they don't, then they can actually win together.

ok yeah that's fucking weird

[Cephrir]

if theres a second town cane is part of it

@cerb dont townread luna too aggressively still imo. we know she's town because we have outside info

[Cephrir]

Mass claiming = baaaddd

it's funny because massclaim would ruin us right now

[Cephrir]

Also, speaking of people worth noting, ABR head of that hydra can be quite accurate, and is also naturally a town leader...if they are human worth recruiting. Otherwise, must be shot.

he lurkaderps like 80% of the time though?

[Cephrir]

i have no fear

only RAGE

[Cephrir]

...As soon as possible, unfortunately, may take a while. I do hope you understand that I am processing confirmations from 28 players (sometimes more than once thanks to hydras) both via PM and in-thread, sooooo...this MAY take a while for me to get around to. Your request has been noted and I'm working on getting it done.

that's fine

[Cephrir]

we don't know what the town win condition is

If you had your fakeclaims right now, you would know there's different ones.
As this is a speed failure on my part, I'll jump the gun and give you all the win conditions your fakeclaims give you access to:

Salt Squad, Individual Vampire:

You win when all threats to

the

Individual Vampire

faction

have been eliminated.

Salt Squad, Human:

You win when all threats to

the

West Empire

faction

have been eliminated.

Wayward Thinker/Cephrir/RAM, Individual Nosferatu:

Individual Nosferatu Factional Wincon

: You win when all threats to a new humanity treaty are eliminated and at least one player with this wincon is alive.

Wayward Thinker/Cephrir/RAM, Human:

You win when all threats to

the

Northern Tribes

faction

have been eliminated.

Apologies for the delay. Those who asked for them will get their full fakeclaims momentarily.

aw jeez

um

can i not pick location now that i know this

[Cephrir]

You have until D1 starts to change it if you wish.

yes i'd like to pick nation please

[Cephrir]

thanks for the fakeclaims you rock

[Cephrir]

yeah... it started coming up and i definitely kinda just stopped posting... <_____<

[Cephrir]

If anyone feels that the chance of another strongman not on our team is too high and that I should NOT do my thing where I try to maximize BP utility by intentionally drawing fire, speak up please.

i feel that the chance approaches one hundred percent

[Cephrir]

on the other hand, i don't think you being super town will necessarily draw their fire here, so like go for it???

[Cephrir]

you do you i'm just gonna bitch about it because i sincerely think you're being silly

real distancing is best distancing

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

dont worry about one vote WT. expe has way more steam than you. remember, NO FEAR

[Cephrir]

gdi i wish we could feel safe killing the fuck out of heartless immediately

[Cephrir]

Don't mean to be bossy and I also don't know what your plan is so feel free to completely ignore me.

LQ you don't need to get everyone to explain why they are scum reading you because that won't exactly make the situation better just more clear which could potentially be worse then having a naked vote. It would be better if you start focusing on finding town and scum reads and if you can do that "successfully" town reads will fall into place as a result. I feel like a lot of your play is revolving around yourself and there isn't even a lot of notable pressure heading in your direction from my POV.

I know I am really bias with this observation and this isn't something I plan on bringing up in the game obviously but it is a trend I am noticing. (Although I am not really following any of your slots right now that clearly)

i agree with this

if you want townreads, don't defend yourself, attack someone else

[Cephrir]

Pretty crappy. The idea was to be able to get all information off a single target, so we could start building profiles.

I'm now irritated, and going back to sleep.

sorry. i knew there was a chance i would screw everything up by doing that but i thought that it was more important to do that in order to create a town looking claim for myself.

it's ok we have wifom bonuses now.

[Cephrir]

titus is human.

[Cephrir]

im still catching up but any day 1 gladiate is probably not real

[Cephrir]

there are so many players in this game who are wild and weird and who i just dont get at all

[Cephrir]

luna is an individual (some race) i think

[Cephrir]

so is almost

man this is like shooting fish in a barrel

[Cephrir]

if the gladiate is real expedience gets lynched today no questions asked. feel free to vote storm if you want to distance from me but be warned i will possibly be nasty about it

[Cephrir]

Heartless (Antihero + TellTaleHeart)
KuroiXHF
Klingoncelt
Titus HUMAN
dramonic
Salt Squad (SirCakez + beeboy + Heat)
Almost50 NOT HUMAN
Nosferatu
Mathblade
Wayward Thinker (LicketyQuickety + Suzune) NOT HUMAN** -> I think you should claim this due to post 34 but YMMV
Stormblade (Albert B. Rampage + Errantparabola + Nahdia)
davesaz
copper223
Cane + Able (House + Wake88) NOT HUMAN
Tim (Iecerint + ActionDan)
No Retreat (Nero Cain + Yume) HUMAN
A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen Angel + Firebringer) human?
RAM (Bins + Drixx + Cerberus v666)
Lady Lambdadelta
rb
Cephrir
Luna Fox NOT HUMAN
Expedience
BBMolla NOT HUMAN -- nation West location Great Ridge
TheWayItEnds
Skybird
Toogeloo
Franky

[Cephrir]

not right now -- just whenever you claim

[Cephrir]

im mostly hoping to just not claim anything for a long time. will cross that bridge when i come to it.

i just hope i dont accidentally post anything that could only come from one or the other or displays knowledge of both

[Cephrir]

unwise to be universally townread.

don't worry about this right now

you just need to be as townie as you are capable of being until you're not widely suspected anymore. that is your only job

[Cephrir]

nah wulfen are def scum

multiball balance is just weird

[Cephrir]

the indie factions are just weird townies

[Cephrir]

you could pick someone else who seems indie-esque (i.e. BBmolla)

[Cephrir]

one alternative, potentially, could be to not claim race cop at all

this is particularly valid in the event the wulfen are symmetrical to us

[Cephrir]

or you could race cop whoever the fuck you want and say it was luna when she inevitably gets nightkilled later

or you could out one of us as nosferatu or something

think outside the box!

[Cephrir]

towns are bad at holding in information so we'll get some pointless race outs and claims on the table within a few days

[Cephrir]

gdi im really trying but you guys are more town than me anyways

can i even look town anymore without going full :emotions:

[Cephrir]

Ceph were you the one who won the wedding blitz invitational

[Cephrir]

I think that too honestly

[Cephrir]

stupid pts not previewing

[Cephrir]

dangit you got me reading the wedding again and im so much more town there it's unreal

You feel less pointed/focused than you do as scum. In the games I was with you in, I recall you making more quote-walls as scum and focusing harder on specific reads. You've either adapted here, changed your style, or are just town. Still Im not seeing anything from you that really makes me want to townread you and perhaps that is a good sign. You are kind of lowkey but still around, I'd probably expect something different from scum who is halfway decent at being scum.

ffffuuuuuucccccckkkk im playing my scum meta to a T

[Cephrir]

i guess i was different in that game on purpose because i was tailoring my play to a group that i know knows my scum meta really well

this game there's virtually no one who's ever seen me play scum so i don't have to

ugh

[Cephrir]

i'm surprised people aren't scumreading me more


expe was right not wrong







... gg

i noticed that, i shoulda said it first

[Cephrir]

Poor Heatless sniped almost all of us and they are lynching A50

Yeah, I'm really confused. I guess I need to reread A50's last post, because like...they had a list of scumreads already, and A50 jumped straight to the top.

Also, why is this town lynching Luna?????

Crazy people.

a50 wasnt really doing anything at all then he posted a pile of garbage. i legitimately think hes scum

[Cephrir]

toog is NOT HUMAN

this is so easy

i think?

[Cephrir]

yeah, but when they're futzing about with win conditions and CLEARLY don't know what the other kind of win condition is... they're either indies or scum

there's no way they can possibly be leveling us with information they don't have

[Cephrir]

nah i meant scum

regular town (humans) wouldn't know about the weird individual win conditions

though im starting to think humans arent common

[Cephrir]

The individual vampire faction doesn't have a weird win con. It's the exact same as the human win cons. I don't see a discernible difference between that and regular town.

i think there's a difference? am i blind?

[Cephrir]

that was a good direction WT

[Cephrir]

i wonder if he's a hider

[Cephrir]

ok there's an individual human faction and that means luna is one as well

[Cephrir]

oh yeah maybe that doesn't make sense

weird

also i noticed the distinction between the vamp and nosferatu wincons and i'm even more wtf now.

[Cephrir]

i think it doesnt mean she is a nosferatu, but she could be

my bet is that individual wulfen has the same wincon as individual nosferatu while individual lycan will look more like vampire

and uh, was that is for other races or are there more??

[Cephrir]

though you're right that if we're claiming grey we should probably townread luna

but i've been doing that anyhow

i also dont know for sure which way i want to claim yet... kiiiinda hoping to see a few flips first

and i would most likely be keeping my faction in my pants as town anyway

[Cephrir]

ok im getting the playful demeanor going this is good

also, i suspect we may be a threat to individual nosferatu but not to the northern tribes faction... guess we'll see maybe

[Cephrir]

i've read the damn mechanics post several times

[Cephrir]

and it's not clear so please just answer yes or no because until then this isn't even mafia

[Cephrir]

I'm just gonna wait for you guys to figure it out I'm kinda frustrated that yes or no is too much to ask

[Cephrir]

Sorry if I'm being pissy I'm not having a great night

[Cephrir]

How the hell can the individual factions have a factional ability if they don't even know who each other are

[Cephrir]

i thought it was fine

a little too wishy washy on wt

[Cephrir]

what a tease

[Cephrir]

twie is probably the opposite of whatever toog claimed

[Cephrir]

ok i guess klingon is claiming non human for no reason too

[Cephrir]

it was implied. iso her.

[Cephrir]

dont worry about that sort of thing thats how the VCAers win

never let them win

[Cephrir]

im so done w this day

i hope someone townreads me for that

i hope someone townreads me for anything at all really, no one is and it's killing my morale

i need to fade out and come back as background cephrir tomorrow

[Cephrir]

i need APPROVAL.

[Cephrir]

im pretty sure the whole reason i play this game is to desperately seek approval.

[Cephrir]

at least if the humans get converted they get to be scum.

non-humans claiming it is just crap.

[Cephrir]

if i were town i'd be telling copper to stuff it and only because i'm scum and concerned about my image am i even giving him the time of day

[Cephrir]

i think copper is claiming tracker

if thats not it i have no idea what hes on about

[Cephrir]

it's not your fault. people just like the internet equivalent of hearing themselves talk

[Cephrir]

Good for you don't apologize for that!

[Cephrir]

Good for you don't apologize for that!

I do pretty much all lifts to muscle failure.

I should try this.

[Cephrir]

Now this is something you make sense about haha

[Cephrir]

You may wish to consider not beetlejuicing.

[Cephrir]

Your call tho obvs.

[Cephrir]

You should probably hold off from voting KC Ceph? Maybe? Idk your normal style, but you JUST went over to WT.

-Cerb

yeah im holding off but will join if steam is acquired. ive made my willingness to wagon hop to get a lynch apparent

storm might have just shut it down though

[Cephrir]

Nah. Individual humans is just probably a thing.

[Cephrir]

I think that's just his flavor

[Cephrir]

I don't really care if the same person used a phrase twice

[Cephrir]

Dunno I thought it was fine

[Cephrir]

definitely go for the fakeclaim. we want maximum apathy.

imo go ahead and claim a vig shot. we can handle the consequences later, if looking provable gets kuroi lynched it's a win for us.

[Cephrir]

though i didnt think your wagon was even leading tbh.

[Cephrir]

i think the vc will be somewhere in the region of 10 kuroi 7 you maybe? but thats a complete guess.

[Cephrir]

{Heartless, Math, Luna, Expedience, Molla}
{Titus, dram, Salt, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, LLD, rb, Toog}
{Almost, Storm, copper, No Retreat, TWIE, DGB}
{KC, Nosferatu, WT, dave, Wake, Franky}
{Kuroi}

I've literally never seen you use that format of reads before. o_O

i think i did it once before. recently.

[Cephrir]

i think someone else was doing it in whatever game it was i did it before in. beyond that, i dunno.

[Cephrir]

dram probably isn't a nation faction thing.

im probably not going to keep track of all this information.

[Cephrir]

kill really townie people or cross kills we can't lynch are the only kills I will accept.

Or people who're onto us.

I think using 1 or maybe 2 to claim vig is fine but using any more isn't worth it.

1 is the correct number. Then claim JOAT with a vig shot.

The Dram kill lets us do 3 things.

1) stops most of the WT pressure.
2) we can just say it was a bad kill for WT scum and that they are being framed.
3) Say Suzune recommend the kill because dram was horribly misrepresenting your slot.

We don't have to make tonight's shot the one we claim was a vig shot.

I really don't want to kill heartless.
How much of a threat are they when they are too apathetic to follow the thread?

I'm not too worried about them right now and I don't want to be seen doing it. I would rather go a little outside the box.

[Cephrir]

3879 looks like a nation faction claim from expe (northern tribes is blue)

[Cephrir]

ASOIAF's one of the vampire-like individual factions or a nation faction.

[Cephrir]

if we kill luna her neighbors will look like scum

but im a little afraid to kill her

[Cephrir]

There is no 3879. Are you talking about 3725 from Toog?

sorry, 3679 i think

[Cephrir]

looks like toog's post might be as well, though

i forget what hes said earlier admittedly

[Cephrir]

starting a flame war with LLD probably wasn't a good idea

pedit: i think so yeah

and it's the faction in our fakeclaims

unless the eastern faction is green, then expe could be that, but toog definitely said blue

[Cephrir]

no it means they're very likely to be human! look at the fakeclaims again.

[Cephrir]

all our nothern tribes claims are human

[Cephrir]

isnt he the one who claimed human explicitly and said his role needs to die at night or something actually

ergo hell no

[Cephrir]

if we wanted to recruit n1 expe would be an ok target

but we probably dont want to recruit n1?

[Cephrir]

there's also the part where any of these people COULD just be lying scum... but i think they probably arent

[Cephrir]

kuroi claimed human

he thought he was third party

that's why he played like scum

[Cephrir]

i think nation cops should probably do whatever they think they'd do if they were town, as it's sort of unclear how much use they even have

ill figure out who i would track if i were town and then determine whether thats actually a good play for the team

but probably gonna do that tomorrow

[Cephrir]

kill thoughts:

+:
dram is a pretty obvious kill from us, but... it might be worth it
WT, if you had a vig shot, who do you think you would shoot if you decided to use it tonight? we should have whoever that is in the kill discussion
Tim? No Retreat? LLD? All safe kills who I'd rather have out of the game.

-:
not heartless. they're going after others right now anyway, and i'm afraid to kill them
not ASOIAF -- they are a great distraction and apathy inducer
luna could draw a watcher and i'm not afraid of her
i would like to continue wking expe
bbmolla gives us no impact on the game state

re: redirect: not using it is probably okay. also, i would hesitate to redirect roles to themselves without asking the mod how it works first. i nullify that command if used on a role that isn't allowed to target itself, personally.

[Cephrir]

targets i might track if i were town: storm, dgb, rach, wake... any of those sound good?

i would probably nation check titus if i were using the human claim. otherwise LLD, copper, dave, wake, twie, tim... i could justify many choices here

[Cephrir]

NR would be a good track too.

[Cephrir]

why are we redirecting storm, anyways? being in that hood, they're probably town

do we think there isn't a second mafia

[Cephrir]

Track DGB
Check LLD

subject to change.

[Cephrir]

also RAM you guys should make extra sure to have at least some action in asap since for some reason we can't submit for you

[Cephrir]

so do we think storm is cult???? i don't think that

[Cephrir]

Kill kling if there's any hope of me claiming Vig.

In case there is not another kill tonight, what's plan B?

eh, maybe you "saved it" then.

[Cephrir]

Lots of possibilities but redirecting stormblade feels like the best option.

I think sitting on being bulletproof might be better, especially with several players strongly suspecting RAM and us not knowing what the hell we'd be redirecting

[Cephrir]

i don't have any interest in killing someone who could easily get lynched.

it's totally defensible to have used another ability n1 and vigged later

[Cephrir]

Let's just do it imo. NK spec is largely dead and they'll get heat (ha) either way most likely.

[Cephrir]

fake claim of isolationist nosferstsu

you used the wrong word

[Cephrir]

WT kills dramonic

[Cephrir]

Ceph, how would you normally handle a guilty tracker result? Just considering contingencies if removing dram isn't enough to keep WT from being the main subject of conversation today.

I'd push on it and see if I could get them lynched, but it'll probably be too loud for me to make much headway. I *probably* wouldn't claim immediately, but might if it wasn't working.

[Cephrir]

How do we know Titus is human btw? Did she outright say it, or was it something hinted at?

I believe she is one of the nation factions (like our human fakeclaims) because of her comments about there being 3 town factions and declaring Wake's slot to have scumclaimed for having the individual X wincon.

[Cephrir]

i don't think we need to

i also don't think we should even try it without using the ninja

[Cephrir]

Not sure I agree btw ceph. I kinda feel like if anyone is going to have protection sitting on them all game long it's going to be heartless...so we probably need to use the strongman if we ever want them removed.

replace protection with a watcher and you'll get what i was thinking! whatever let's just keep not killing them

[Cephrir]

fucking heartless neighborized me fuck fuck fuck fuck

gnight

[Cephrir]

LLD def claimed scum cause she fucked her role claim

She said she's an individual wulden that claims with new human treaty, but all the individual claims so far are win when all threats to them are eliminated

our individual nosferatu claims say the same. she probably isn't scum. if any of you have publicly called her scum, you can't use the individual nosferatu claim anymore. :/

[Cephrir]

HOW IS TOWN NOT POINTING THIS OUT DO I SERIOUSLY HAVE TO DO THIS

don't

[Cephrir]

unless you wanna claim human anyways...

[Cephrir]

i saw his flip and i had no idea what to make of it.

[Cephrir]

Wait OK so I honestly believe LLD is scum she just fucked up her fake claim or doesn't understand it

again, the wincon she is supposedly claiming is exactly the same as the one in our fakeclaims.

that said i kinda think she's scum now and has the same fakeclaims we do

[Cephrir]

god damn im pretty over not knowing who the fuck is town.

[Cephrir]

LLD's scum because she claims to have rolecopped storm and i tracked her to nowhere

right?

[Cephrir]

gfdi

[Cephrir]

i DO want to know how the fuck i can have a factional recruit and be uninformed.

@mastin: If my actual role was my individual nosferatu fakeclaim, and I asked you how my factional recruit works if my faction has other members -- for example, if a different individual nosferatu used the factional recruit, would mine then be guaranteed to fail because our factional shot had already been used up? -- what answer would you give me?

sorry if that doesn't make sense.

[Cephrir]

i think it's a good idea to have at least one of us claim northern tribes, i wanted to but i think my neighborhood situation is chaning my tune there

[Cephrir]

rb's human, he'd be a good recruit

[Cephrir]

WT 4343 makes them unable to claim individual nosferatu

so you're stuck on northern tribes now gg

[Cephrir]

and 4352 does it even harder

do NOT claim nosferatu ever.

[Cephrir]

or, do claim nosferatu and i'll point that out and bus the fuck out of you that's fine too

[Cephrir]

im probably going to commit to claiming nosferatu today

[Cephrir]

dgb probably human

[Cephrir]

I kind of want to kill Luna Fox I think she is the factional cop.

agreed -- i think she almost has to be

stormblade is a 2-shot BP so it's not them

copper wasn't posting until long after the guilty was outed

[Cephrir]

quite possibly, to be honest

[Cephrir]

"that's still alive that is"

dram was in the hood, ergo A50 is in the hood and that's how he knew dram had a PT

[Cephrir]

welp i tried to bus i really did but i just can't do it

[Cephrir]

i could claim i tracked you doing something other than what you say you did <_<

[Cephrir]

i could say i have an incriminating result on you, claim to heartless and get them to help me push you.

idk just a thought.

[Cephrir]

Then you get cross killed >_>

theyre BP

[Cephrir]

yeah i was thinking x shot might be good for me because i might end up having to go deep alone and it'd be a little weird if i only got results when there was a kill missing :p

but idk if that fits with the setup

[Cephrir]

i do think faking a guilty on ourselves becomes a stronger play the later we do it. if we did it now... i'd probably get nightkilled well before endgame.

but it's a good thought to be having.

[Cephrir]

I thought wake was not human because he was shitting on Titu'win condition claim... which is pretty weird actually... is he scum?

[Cephrir]

I think RB is human for his reactions today

Feel free to see if that makes sense to you

[Cephrir]

titus' win condition

[Cephrir]

Actually wait no I think if we flip scum I confirmed scum.

???

on a 1-10 scale how much do we quick hammer LLD at l-1?

Eh, maybe. I don't want her to die though, I'm worried she'll flip scum and I'll look bad

Cephrir, how's your pt with heartless going? They've ignored the thread.

They're busy

[Cephrir]

Eh. I'll hang onto it prolly

[Cephrir]

??

[Cephrir]

LLD is a wulden, and we need all wulden dead to win?

True but if she's a town one it's not exactly a high priority.

I hope wulden don't need all of us dead. If they do I'm gonna die and soon.

[Cephrir]

Technically, the nosferatu wincon IS NOT shared with the undead. The wording is the same, sure, but you're specifically looking for at least one person with the nosferatu wincon, and they're specifically looking for at least one person with the undead win con.

-Cerb

i think youre wrong about this

[Cephrir]

that's true

we could just kill LLD... or redirect her I guess but that's dangerous as well.

we could also redirect Luna to Klingon. I want to know if Klingon is scum, tbh.

[Cephrir]

Nahhhhhhh

Your claim is BP or limited BP probs

[Cephrir]

Pst Ceph put me at L-1 so someone can hammer me lol.

i've been voting you all day

[Cephrir]

also i hope this mostly sincere tantrum looks town

[Cephrir]

stop being wrong <3

[Cephrir]

lol yes of course

if i was recruited by a faction that said i wasnt allowed to disclose my scumteam i would fucking replace out immediately because what the hell is that.

[Cephrir]

Very against killing kc.

[Cephrir]

We could pray for someone else to kill her, but... yeah...

[Cephrir]

We could also take our chances that kc will not watch Luna but the replacement makes that way less likely :/

[Cephrir]

Yeah that guilty was a huge blow to us. You guys are both suspected and I'm probably headed for getting shot in the face soon.

I continue to think heartless is human slipping all over the place in our neighborhood. I think they don't care if I know.

I'm kind of pretty upset I'm not actually town because working closely with them is pretty much a fantasy for townrir. But I'm convincing myself I'm town pretty well, sometimes I almost forget I'm not. I'm not really being insincere... at least that's what I'm telling myself

[Cephrir]

track shortlist:
nosferatu
dave
copper
wake
NR
TWIE
Rach

[Cephrir]

Track: No Retreat

[Cephrir]

Nation check: Heartless

[Cephrir]

Also why aren't we killing the claimed Wulden, as that is our win condition?

because she's lynchable and there's a claimed full cop.

[Cephrir]

They have not nation claimed. That's why I'm checking!