Dynamite Stick Mafia! GAME OVER

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Hello.

I'm actually fine with Greasy Spot DYNAMITING Blazerunner. Or someone else DYNAMITING Blazrunner. As long as it's not me, ofcourse.

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I'll dynamite the next person who votes me.

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1) you encouraged someone to blow up blaze runner early in the game. Why? Got other reasoning or were you just agreeing with greasy spot?
2) anybody but you should blow him up of course and then you say you'll blow up someone that votes you?

1) Yes. I thought Blazerunner was trying to blend in. It would've been better if someone else had killed him, though.
2) That 'anybody should blow him up' was because I wasn't sold on Greasy Spot's guilt. I'd rather have waited for a better target to present itself. The second post was nonsense.

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I'd right now be happiest with an ooba exploding.

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It is a neutral move - Disadvantage with it is that stupid townies can blow you up (ala Greasy Spot) - but it is in the townies best interests to discuss and then have two people blow each other up - It does not put the "Town in danger" as you stated it. No particular advantage . So i guess i struck a light because i can.

It's a neutral move in the sense that it would be a bad move for a townie as well as for a scum to do, but for the town as a whole, everyone striking lights isn't optimal.

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The other thing is that by blowing someone up, you're not around to take heat or responsibility for your actions.

By blowing someone up, you die. I doubt you'd have to take heat after that.

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Its a neutral move from the standpoint of a smart townie - if the entire town (scum have to agree to this too) decide to discuss about the possibilities of who to kill and then make them blow up each other - then me striking or not striking a light has no effect on the game.

No, it

does

affect the game. If you're pressured and scum, you can dynamite one of the most townish players instead of being dynamited by someone scummy. Similarly, if another scum's being pressured, that scum can dynamite you. For the town as a whole, there can only be negative consequences.

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But now that you struck a light anyway, who'd you like to see blown up most, ooba?

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Ooba, as soon as your 24 hours have passed, feel free to dynamite the hell outa Quag.

Quag, if you have anything to say in the meantime, I suggest you hurry up.

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Adel's right. I suggest we follow her plan tomorrow.

Glad to see ooba dead, not glad to see LML dynamite him.

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I disagree with Yosarian2.

I'm such a rebel.

I think Adel's plan is fine. Other than that, I don't have much to say until tomorrow.

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Hmm.. Strange nightkill choice again.

I suppose the only thing particular about Nightson's posts is that he suspected Surye, but that's probably a distraction from the fact that the first nightkill is incriminating Yos2.

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I'll dynamite the next person who votes me.

What is the purpose of this post?

There wasn't any, as I said before.

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Been trying to get rid of this guy for how many days now?

Just yesterday, I think.

I'd rather see Elmo or Yos blown up, but I will do so myself if y'all really think I must.

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Yos made the 3-scums-tell, followed by the 2-night-am-i-rite-tell.

And probably some more, but I've gotta look back.

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I really can't believe that anyone is actually taking that seriously as a "scum tell". Why, exactally, is it suspicious if I automatically used the phrase "all three scum" when I've played like a bazillion games where 3 scum are the standard?

I could argue that the use of the rolleyes smiley is a scumtell too, actually.
And yes, there's a possibility you said 3 scums because that's the standard in mini games, and there's a possibility that you didn't. Even because the second is only a possibility, it still makes you more likely to be scum.

Uh, I was pointing out that Skitzer was wrong when he claimed that the game had spent more times in day then in night, because there had only been two nights and they'd only been 24 hours each. I'd like to hear how that's supposed to be a tell.

That's not the point. There have been 3 nights. Since townies have nothing to do at night, it seems like a good idea for scum to act like they have nothing to do with what's going on at night either, by means of miscounting the number of night. Really, it says DAY 4 right there.

Vote Yos

- You happy now, PokerFace? I've expressed my opinion enough. Apparently you've taken the time to see if I made any votes this game, but if you actually read the posts you checked, you'd see I've given my opinion on a lot of people. And I don't need whole paragraphs for things that can be said in one or two sentences.

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Yos: I don't think I ever played with you before. I'm 'Scum, not 'Sum.

Currently reading other games you played in.

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Yes, we know that, but why would you want to see Yos dead too, Elvis?

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Dropping the rolleyes point. I read several games with Yos, and what he said was true.

I still think the other points stand, though, and elvis_knits raised another good one.

Surye, what exactly raised your interest in me and/or Yos?

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Sarcastro, maybe, but I definitely wouldn't want to see elvis_knits blown up today.

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That's kind of an unexpected comment. Why, exactally, do you think Elvis_knits is pro-town?

Not really pro-town, just not one of my current suspects.

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Stoof & the rest:

I'll unexpectedly be unable to post from Monday to Friday this week. Sorry for the inconvenience. I hope replacement isn't necessary, but by all means replace me if you really think it is.

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I'm back, and last day was a disaster.

Surye and Yos are probably scum together. Notice how people jumped from Surye to Sarc after lights were struck, without much new reasons to do so.

Vote Yos

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You'll have your chance to make good today.

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Yos:

Those people were you, NabakovNabakov, PokerFace and Elmo. The four of you are definitely high up my suspicion list, but that suspicion partially hinges on the assumption that Surye is scum. Note the word partially here because it's important and I don't want to be misrepresented.

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Yes, I know you can give reasons for your switch, but I'm just looking at the result right now.

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LYLO? That'd mean there are 5 scum. Don't think that's balanced.

Did Surye strike a light already?

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Surye:

Don't dynamite yet.

I think Yos' latest posts are actually quite townish. I suggest taking a look at the other switchers, Elmo & Pokerface (since NabNab's already backup enforcer) before someone gets overeager.

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Of the people that struck a light, I definitely don't want Quag to die, so it's going to be two of the other three.

I'd like everyone except those three to vote for two of them.

I'm not sure about my choice yet, but I'll come back to you for that.

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I want

Yos

to blow up

Surye

.

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Yos

, if you're town, blow up Surye!

Surye

, if you're town, blow up Yos!

Kuribo

, if you're town, start making sense. NabNab is the backup-enforcer, and shouldn't be dynamited at least yet.

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Finally.

A dead scum should surely give us some information. I don't feel like rereading today, but I will do so tomorrow.

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I'm honored.

I think I can come with a big post today, but I can't promise anything.

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Je vous présente:

Le player list, from most scummy to least scummy*

• PokerFace
  - Scummy
  
  Elmo
  - Equally scummy
  
  Erg0
  - Iunno
  
  Flameaxe
  - Iunno
  
  Marmalade
  - Iunno
  
  elvis_knits
  - Behaviorally town
  
  Yosarian2
  - Behaviorally town yesterday and interaction with Surye.
  
  Skitzer
  - Cleared on behavioral analysis and interaction with Surye.

Enforcers:

• NabakovNabakov (replaced armlx)
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* This list may change from moment to moment, so don't go and blame me for sudden change of hearts. That's what I do.

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PokerFace - Scummy

Where do you get this from?

The switch to Sarcastro on day 4 is what stands out most.

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But tell me, you got anything else on me besides being between those wagons?

Hardly.

1. What about Yosarian's interaction with Surye makes you think he is not scum with Surye?

Basically why are you getting off his case so quickly? It seems uncharacteristic of you. After all you pushed so hard on him. Even after saying this half way through yesterday:

It's not really his interaction with Surye. Some of Surye's posts mention Yos in a way that looks like more than distancing. It's just a minor point in his favor, though. His behavior yesterday is far more important to me.

Since we got it setup so you can only vote for one person, the person you find the scummiest; What detail would make you put your vote on Yosarian instead of someone who avoided going off as Surye did on day 4? Yosarian was on Sarcastro's wagon as well day 4.

Order is preferable above chaos. That's why I wouldn't want to vote for someone who hadn't struck a light. kuribo was actually high on my town list, higher than Yos. Hence the choice for Yos as dynamiter.

2. Erg0

had alot of pro-town logic on day 3 around when UltimaAvalon and Adel 'got stoofed'. He also pushed hard on Surye being guilty. Do you actually see him being scummier than Marmalade and FlameAxe, two people that have rarly if at all voted? What are your thoughts on this?

I didn't have good reads on them. They're in the 'vague' area. Perhaps Erg0 is more townish than the other two, I should reread that. But he's not one of my dynamite choices for today, so it doesn't matter much.

3. I recognize that NabNab is an enforcer, but where on your suspicon list would you put him?

What color shade and why out of curiosity?

Somewhere townish.

There is a fourth comment/question I have for you. I will mention it after you have commented on these its a rather long comment.

Very well. Hit me.

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1) I thought Yos was town because of the way he behaved after Quag struck a light, so, yes, I suspected him before that moment.

2) Those comments are definitely

not

distancing, but they're comments from a scum trying to cast doubt on someone's townness.



Funny to see how scums jump all over you with OMGUS when you poke them.

I have no further case on you, but your post speaks for itself.

Vote PokerFace

. Don't forget it in your next votecount.

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The main/primary reason I am voting you is really because of this:

Hmm.. Strange nightkill choice again.

Yes, I realise this is a point against me, and I realise I screwed up when I said that. I just think that, in order to effectively hunt scum, you shouldn't be easily distracted by other players when you're looking for a single one. I didn't want any distraction from Yos at the time, who was my main suspect.

At the start of day 5

did you actually think Yosarian was scummier than a guy that did not go off like Surye did?

Yeah, I guess so. Surely, Surye was one of my top suspects at the time, too, but I was still going after Yos.

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Hmmm...

Looking at the end of the day yesterday, I don't really like NN's behavior. It kind of feels like he's looking for some alternative to the Suyve bandwagon; first he goes after me, then just about the time when it becomes obveous I'm completly willing to blow him up he backs down and goes after kuribo.

vote:NabakovNabakov

Yes, I noticed this too, but I think it's not very productive to go after the enforcer.

What do you think of Elmo/PokerFace/me?

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CES: I think you might already have done this, but: you didn't classify NabNab's scumminess, because he's the nominated enforcer, but he was nominated by a townie with no extra information. Why didn't you, and what's your view on him?

Iunno, really. I don't see the purpose of this question. NabNab will die before the end of the game anyway.

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Mod:

I'll be away from tomorrow until monday afternoon. Sorry for my absence.

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I'm back.

Deadline's soon, but I haven't made my mind up about today's dynamitees yet. I'll do a quick reread of the last pages.

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K,

I just can't read Flameaxe because he hardly ever plays. However, I wouldn't want to see him die.

Skitzer and Yos are confirmed town in my eyes, so I don't want them to (be) blow(n) up, either.

Pokerface's latest posts have been good, actually.

Unvote

. I don't want PokerFace to be blown up, but it might be wise if he blows up someone himself. I wouldn't object to that.

I suggest PF blows someone up unless NabNab checks in in time.

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Confirmed town is a little too strong, maybe, yes. I'll change that too 'townish enough not to be dynamited today'. The reason for that is his behavior around the end of day 5. People's behavior can be analysed much better when they're in immediate danger of dying.

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Yeah, that was probably stupid.

I actually tried to get Yos to be seen as 'confirmed town', so I could jump all over him if he wasn't nightkilled. Even though I'd seen him as scum the whole game I somehow couldn't get him lynched. The plan turned out very ineffective because Yos died before night.

I understand this was stupid, and as a consequence I'm willing to take over enforcer duties from NabNab immediately, meaning I will dynamite today. I'm not completely sure of NabNab's innocence, though, which is the only problem I have with enforcing myself.

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K, the player list:

Cogito Ergo Scum
elvis_knits
Flameaxe
Quagmire II (replaced Marmalade)
NabakovNabakov (replaced armlx)
PokerFace
Skitzer

I think Skitzer and Flameaxe are town.

Which leaves

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elvis_knits
Quagmire II (replaced Marmalade)
NabakovNabakov (replaced armlx)
PokerFace

Of these, me and NabNab are enforcers, so I'll take us off the list (we'll be dynamiting today and tomorrow).

elvis_knits
Quagmire II
PokerFace

There's probably two scums among these three players. Let's pick'em out.

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skitzer, I'm not going to respond to your case post by post, because you didn't provide links or quotes, but from the looks of it, it looks more like I'm

not

mafia than otherwise, really.

Oh, and that 'lists himself as enforcer' tell is bullcrap.

You're also completely ignoring how I pretty much pushed for Yos to blow up from day 1.

If I get 3 votes I will strike a light, and will take over enforcer duties from NabNab. skitzer's vote is the first, so I'll need two more.

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I'd rather blow up someone myself.

STRIKE A LIGHT

I won't rush things, but I will (be) blow(n) up today anyway. NabNab will become backup enforcer.

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Oh, also note the post where someone noticed that Surye kept talking about me and Yos in the same sentence. Do you really think a scum would do that with two of his partners?

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In the event that neither I nor CES are alive tomorrow, Elvis will be enforcer.

NoNo, NabNab.

It's my turn to assign the next enforcer.

I choose you, Flameaxe!

Because he's town.

The last thing we need right now is an unreliable enforcer.

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What questions, Poker?

I'm glad you went from 'not the scummiest' to 'probably town', though.

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Simple notes: People who have had cases brought towards them at some point by other players.

Didn't you actually make a case on me yesterday?

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Yeah, mostly process of elimination. I'll just have to see who's the best choice.

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What a load of crap.

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Really, if you want to dynamite me, striking a light isn't needed.

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Will be dynamiting between now and 24 hours.

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Really, if you want to dynamite me, striking a light isn't needed.

I know this, and me doing it anyways should tell you something.

I also know today could be LyLo.

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Really, if you want to dynamite me, striking a light isn't needed.

I know this, and me doing it anyways should tell you something.

I also know today could be LyLo.

'Cuz if I didn't, I would've dynamited you just 3 minutes ago.

Any suspects beside me?

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Ah, I actually like the fact you suspect the same people as Quag1. The fact you didn't at first is what made me wary of you most.

23.59.03
23.59.02
23.59.01..

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Hmm.. you're basically suspecting everyone but PF, by the way.

Why not PF?

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There have been much bigger lurkers in the game... like you (as Marm), and BBM. We haven't killed anyone for lurking hardcore, so I think it would be an even better strategy not to post or vote at all.

Flameaxe is becoming the next enforcer (according to CES) and I'm probably going to die by CES' hand within the next few hours, so that's pretty much incorrect. I'm pretty sure that you're scum now.

No. NabNab is the next enforcer, and Flameaxe is the third.

I'll wait until Quag's orange, if you guys want so. I doubt he'd suicide-bomb if he were scum, so we'll see what happens.

elvis_knits actually has a pretty decent voting pattern, but I guess that's overrated in an all-vanilla game.

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There have been much bigger lurkers in the game... like you (as Marm), and BBM. We haven't killed anyone for lurking hardcore, so I think it would be an even better strategy not to post or vote at all.

Flameaxe is becoming the next enforcer (according to CES) and I'm probably going to die by CES' hand within the next few hours, so that's pretty much incorrect. I'm pretty sure that you're scum now.

No. NabNab is the next enforcer, and Flameaxe is the third.

I'll wait until Quag's orange, if you guys want so. I doubt he'd suicide-bomb if he were scum, so we'll see what happens.

elvis_knits actually has a pretty decent voting pattern, but I guess that's overrated in an all-vanilla game.

Just saying, if you don't explode in 48 hours I'm going to blow you up. Otherwise I think elvis_knits should be the target today.

Very well. It's just that several people asked for a little more time, and not everyone has said who they'd like me to blow up.

Everyone:

Who do you think I should blow up?

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Ah, screw it.

DYNAMITE: QUAGMIRE

Good luck, town.

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Yeah, me calling Yos confirmed town to get him killed in the long run probably wasn't a smart idea. Glad we won, though.

Thanks for the game, Stoof and everyone.