Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[elvis_knits]

I hate everyone in this game.

Hahaha... you already lost this game

vote Kison

[elvis_knits]

unvote; vote taffmaster

[elvis_knits]

<3 Rolando

[elvis_knits]

Taffmaster... you are wrong. I am female.

[elvis_knits]

I hate everyone in this game.

Hahaha... you already lost this game

vote Kison

Unkind mocking of a player who has died. There is no need for this meanness, you know who is mean? SCUM.

It was a joke, and not meant to be mean, but okay.

I think you might not realize scum have more of a reason to be nice and not piss people off. They can't afford it.

unvote; vote taffmaster

Jumping on a percieved easy bandwagon without giving any reasoning for their no-content vote. That my friends is what I call another scumtell.

You said anyone who would vote you is scum. That's scummy. It's self evident. I will do it all day long to people who insist that only scum will vote them.

<3 Rolando

Buddying up to other players, a blatent attempt to butter a player up so that they think of them more positively and resist voting for them. Thats number three

Just because I <3 rolando is no reason to think I'm scum. Wait. Maybe you're right...

[elvis_knits]

Yo losers... next time you bandwagon someone, do it because they are acting scummy, not because taff has his head up his ass.

I am a roleblocker

I blocked Roland last night.

Unvote me now.

[elvis_knits]

I can block you tonight if you want me to prove it.

[elvis_knits]

I think it's best for me not to say. WIFOM benefits the town on this one. But I do know if I am recruitable or not.

[elvis_knits]

unvote; vote taffmaster

This is where you can put your vote after you unvote me.

[elvis_knits]

I think it's best for me not to say. WIFOM benefits the town on this one. But I do know if I am recruitable or not.

Of course you do ;););););););););););););););););););)

I am not doing anything because you request it. If other people really want to know if I am recruitable, then I will say.

[elvis_knits]

The WIFOM of not knowing sets up this situation:

If I am not recruitable, I will make cults waste a night choice on me, prevent them from recruiting for one night.

If I am recruitable, I will probably not live to endgame because the town is afraid I have been recruited.

Either way, I am now a bad night choice for cults.

But I am a good night choice for Wayne. So I will likely die. Which will let you all find out my allignment without having to lynch me. Which makes me further a bad night choice for cults.

[elvis_knits]

Persisting in ludicrous ideas despite logical reasons to doubt yourself is a sign of scumminess.

[elvis_knits]

Lets look at it logically (even though some of you despise logic by what I can see)

I present a joke case on elvis.


Elvis seems to get the joke, I continue the joke and then suddenly she starts taking it super seriously.

Of course I started to take it seriously when every post you make calls me scum and is pushing for my lynch. When you're a power role and some guy starts calling you scum a million times and causes a bandwagon of 9 votes, yeah, you take it seriously.

I always find that the scum take day 1 more seriously than others because its more risk to them to be lynched.

You are not taking into account that power roles also have something to protect. Besides, anyone is going to fight against the type of bullsh*t you presented.

Meanwhile several people jump on the joke vote, and start taking it actually seriously. Of these Adel, sweatpantsninja and oobaa all seem to have ridiculous reasons that they take seriously. They even look at a mass claim for the town. Ridiculous and scummy as hell. Adel in particular is terrible in his/her posting.

Stop trying to blame your horrible bandwagon on other people. You started this. You pushed for this.

Where the hell is pokerface so I can post with someone whos sensible.

Possible scum buddy noted.

[elvis_knits]

That was lame.

vote ooba

Farside -- I targetted roland last night sort of for fun. N0 you have nothing to go on. And I find it helps to target someone you like. I have a hard timing judging if they're scum or no, so I target them in order to get a better read.

At least we know Roland is not Wayne.

[elvis_knits]

All roles are not mentioned. Partially open =/= open.

Setup

This setup is partially Open. The roles given below all feature in the game, and players with those roles were sent those exact pms. Read them, as they mention some rules of the game that I won’t be mentioning here. Other roles may or may not take the same format.

[elvis_knits]

I say we lynch you tomorrow then.

[elvis_knits]

You're made a worse target if we promise to lynch you tomorrow.

[elvis_knits]

I'm fine with speedlynching, but let's not just do it randomly...

Someone should state their case, and then if others agree, we run the person up. But there needs to be a stated case of some sort.

I would favor a DoS lynch because he voted ergo in the middle of all the taffmaster drama, without getting into the taffmaster drama or commenting on it at all. Who does that?

unvote; vote DoS

[elvis_knits]

If DGB does not

confirm

his role, I still think we should lynch him. Its a good fakeclaim, and not all that valuable that we need to worry too much about lynching it.

Unrecruitable

power role is pretty valuable if you ask me.

I want to hear from DGB though too.

[elvis_knits]

EBWOP: Okay... so I responded to Erg0 upon reading his response to my post and didn't realize we had 6 pages already...

I am against a mass claim, but have no problem with rampant lynching of people on day 1. For now though I will just

unvote

As an aside to xtoxm, Hitsugaya is one of my favorite characters from Bleach.

It was meant to imply I didn't agree with a Taff lynch, or a lynch of you elvis which was still being discussed, at that point, hence I didn't vote him or you when I said it.

Also tell me how in your opinion me not commenting on the Taff/you drama makes me scum.

You didn't say anything about me or taff. So if you meant to imply anything about us and what was happening, I think you failed.

Saying you support rampant lynching but not commenting on the speedlynches in progress is scummy. It's encouraging people to lynch crazily without taking a stand and committing yourself. If you committ to something, you could be held accountable later. Scum don't want to be held accountable.

[elvis_knits]

Well, CR's want to lynch other CR's, other cultists and anyone unrecruitable. They want townies to live.

Wayne needs to lynch CR's just like the town does, if he has any hope of winning. So he basically wants the same thing as the town right now. To kill CRs. Although I don't think he particularly minds if he kills other people.

[elvis_knits]

Actually a little bit more...

The fact that people town today could be cult tomorrow scares me alot. Remember that penny thing where you add a penny a day and over a month you make like a million dollars or something? Yeah...kinda like that.

So I think that unrecruitables are very valuable. Not saying I necessarily believe the current roleclaim but wanted to put that statement out there.

unvote, vote: jedinight

on account of the use of the expressions "scares me a lot" - sounds exactly like what a cult recruiter might say.

Can you explain a bit more... what about it seems CR-ish to you?

[elvis_knits]

unvote, vote jedi knight

DoS next.

Then TSN.

[elvis_knits]

Since the town is fighting against four cults and an SK... the town has to be pretty powerful too. I expect a fair number of PRs.

I usually think self-voters should die. Except I have lynched a few lately and seen them come up town. But TSPN trying to say "my death will convince you to stop dicking around and start lynching" is weird. Because if he comes up town, how will that make us want to lynch more?

[elvis_knits]

TSPN... are you saying you want us to lynch everyone who is recruitable???

[elvis_knits]

I think lynching all recruitable players will lose the game for the town much faster than just seeing how many people get recruited.

Look, I am in cult mini right now (as my alt) so I have been thinking about cults for some time now. One of the keys to success is confusing the cults. WIFOM wherever it can benefit the town. The things that hurt the cult the most is trying to recruit someone who is unrecruitable, not recruiting someone who they think is unrecruitable (but is actually recruitable), recruiting the same player as another cult, recruiting someone already culted, or recruiting another leader.

I *think* that it is possible that if one CR tries to recruit another CR, the first CR will DIE. I was looking in the mafia discussion forum, and this seems to be one possibilty. Who knows what BM picked for the mechanic of his game, but I think this would be a good one for this game. There has to be a lot of ways for the cults to self-destruct if the town has any chance of winning.

The way to win this game is not to just lynch everyone who is recruitable. The way to win is to screw with the CRs. All townies need to realize this. I agree that we should lynch a lot of people today and try to get a CR or two before we go to night. BUT, we want to put the CR's in the hardest position possible. We want to increase the possibilty of cross-recruits or cross-kills, which will benefit us immensely.

[elvis_knits]

And yeah, if we're going to lynch TSPN today, may as well do it now. No need to disband and reform the wagon.

[elvis_knits]

unvote; vote lord_hur

Lynching recruitable players or popular players likely to be recruited is not the way to win this game.

[elvis_knits]

This is not about lynching good players, it is about lynching famous players, and anyway this a bad argument, because good players are as dangerous as scum as they are good to have as town. I'm actually much comfortable playing with bad players/newbies as town, because they are much more likely to make mistakes at one point or another.

It seems like you just want to get rid of anyone you can't win against. There's no reason to assume they're all against you (or will be against you) unless you are already scum.

We are currently choosing at random.

WTF? We are not choosing at random. Suggesting that we are is inherently scummy.

LH is at 8 votes of 11 needed to lynch.

[elvis_knits]

Can you actually respond to some of the arguments against you instead of self-destructing?

[elvis_knits]

vote andycyca

[elvis_knits]

vote andycyca

Why?

He's not helping.

I feel that some scum have got to be sitting back and letting us just attack each other. And it is probably intimidating for some of them that this town is playing fast and loose. Yes, we haven't killed any scum, but the wagons are swinging quickly, which is scary to them. So I suspect some scum, at least, don't want to be too high profile today.

I also approve of DoS wagon.

[elvis_knits]

This makes sense to me:

Don't buy the claim at all. As a survivor, you just lost yourself the game by claiming, which a real Survivor wouldn't do. The fact that they are the only person who knows that they are a Survivor is their most powerful weapon, and you just gave it up. Therefore, I call shenanigans on you.

Also, I don't like how DoS is like "it might be good for you to lynch me later, but not now." That's CLeader thinking.

unvote; vote DOS

L-1 I think.

Mneme next.

[elvis_knits]

Well I would think the way for a survivor to help the town is pretend to be recruitable.

[elvis_knits]

No...I didn't have a comment on the DoS wagon... I personally think we'd be better served with an armlx or elvis_knits wagon. They seem to be leading everyone around and getting town killed off.

I am coming to agree that multiple lynching is most likely the best course in this game, but I'm also struggling with the inherent need I have for reason. I'm not seeing alot of reasoning. Elvis_knits voted Andycyca for little reason than he was gone for the weekend. It all just seems reckless. Perhaps this game is meant to be reckless.

I will

unvote armlix vote: DoS

. The page or so after my last post does raise questions with me and survivor just doesn't wash. I'm fast thinking this game is moves too fast for my way of thinking. But I still question armlix and elvis_knits methods.

vote jedi

Nice hammer and blame other people post.

[elvis_knits]

No...I didn't have a comment on the DoS wagon... I personally think we'd be better served with an armlx or elvis_knits wagon. They seem to be leading everyone around and getting town killed off.

I am coming to agree that multiple lynching is most likely the best course in this game, but I'm also struggling with the inherent need I have for reason. I'm not seeing alot of reasoning. Elvis_knits voted Andycyca for little reason than he was gone for the weekend. It all just seems reckless. Perhaps this game is meant to be reckless.

I will

unvote armlix vote: DoS

. The page or so after my last post does raise questions with me and survivor just doesn't wash. I'm fast thinking this game is moves too fast for my way of thinking. But I still question armlix and elvis_knits methods.

vote jedi

Nice hammer and blame other people post.

Um except he didn't blame other people, he blamed you...

And you OMGUS'ed him immediately after...

Thinking before I place my next vote, don't like Elvis' quick attack

He didn't just blame me... he blames armlx too. And it's not like I was trying to conceal who he was blaming. I quoted his whole post.

But seriously, who goes around like "I'm really suspicious of A and B and I really don't like how they're trying to lynch C, so I guess I'll just hammer C and blame A and B."

[elvis_knits]

Elvis_knits...you're doing exactly the same thing that i've got a problem with...all you're doing is proving my point.

Lynch happy and moving from person to person based on little more than the last post they posted...sheesh... If I'm not mistaken you were just shy of the hammer yourself.

vote elvis_knits

You are not responding to my point.

I did put DoS at L-1, because I thought he was scum.

You seemed to think the wagon was BS and that me and armlx are scum. Uh, so why did you vote with us?

Why did you hammer someone you didn't think was scum?

[elvis_knits]

I never said that I didn't think that DoS wasn't scum.

I just said I didn't have a comment on the bandwagon.

This is you putting words in my mouth. I still think that you and Armlx are the best choice in my mind for scummy behavior...which I have said several times.

If quick lynching is the way to go and apparently everyone thinks so then why wouldn't I hammer DoS? Someone had to.

In short, I'd support a armlx or knits lynch at this point.

(bolding mine)

So you're saying you decided to hammer someone you didn't have a comment on? Because you wanted to help me out? Even though you think I'm scum?

That makes no sense.

[elvis_knits]

Can you stop trying to pair me with armlx? Thanks.

[elvis_knits]

:beats chest:

Ow.

Seriously though, probably would have been best to let the real wayne kill him if he's not wayne. Because if he's not wayne, he's a CLeader. And wayne needs to kill CL's.

But oh well. At least he's scum, I guess.

I am interested to know from the people who either voted after the claim or affirmed their vote after the claim -- why? That seems like a cultish thing to do, as wayne would almost certainly be after cults and not town from this point on.

[elvis_knits]

How would anyone acting as vig?

You don't just kill the vig because he might not kill the right person.

[elvis_knits]

SO we lynch him at that time.

[elvis_knits]

That was hammer+3. Your overzealousness is noted.

[elvis_knits]

Frankly at this point I'd rather kill elvis than armlx. Defending a SK is too weird for words, I can't wrap my head around it. The jailkeeper AND roleblocker really are a bee in my bonnet. And since I know the jailkeeper to be true, I now want that claimed roleblocker dead, I no longer believe the claim especially from a player that roots for the scum, gah!

Look, I would rather have an SK killing cult leaders and cult recruits, than have the SK be dead. I'm not rooting for scum. I'm rooting for the SK to help us, and we can kill him at our leisure.

Besides, guy had been hammered, so it's not like I was capable of saving him. Why do you think it's scummy?

As for RB and jailkeeper in the game... why is this impossible?

[elvis_knits]

Well, RB and jailkeeper, though similar have different applications in this game. I can only block cult recruiters from recruiting. (I can also block town power roles if I choose incorrectly, or could have blocked wayne were he still alive). But the only really good thing I can do for the town is block a cult recruiter. There's only four of them in the entire game.

Jailkeeper role is different and actually more powerful because it can block a recruiter, or a recruit. So this role can work on many more people and help town more.

Anyway, please realize the town has to have many powerroles in order to be able to fight against 4 cults.

[elvis_knits]

Why can't you block a recruit?

In my other cult game, leaders send their choice at night, so my block would work on them. But cults recruits join at beginning of the next day, so I don't think it would affect them.

Is this wrong?

[elvis_knits]

The highest priority, at this point, is making sure we get 2 kills in before deadline. Who they are is secondary.

I think you may want to justify that statement a little better.

vote lowell

lynch-happy = / = lynch anyone

[elvis_knits]

Lowell, I'm sorry, but it actually matters who we lynch.

Vote: Lowell

Why are you sorry?

[elvis_knits]

Not to be WIFOMy but would Lowell actually say that as scum? I doubt it.

Hmmm. Thank you, Muerto for being the voice of reason.

unvote

[elvis_knits]

Fact that I'm suspicious of you and andy made me already want to unvote lowell. And Muerto's point is valid though WIFOM.

[elvis_knits]

unvote
vote: armlx

Ok, DGB. Let's see what you got.

She can't have anything. She was supposedly jailed last night.

vote mneme

[elvis_knits]

What kind of mod would put an RB and a jailkeeper in the same game.

BM

[elvis_knits]

1) Why claim recruitable.

2) N0 result plz.

:good posting:

I have so far seen nobody use the WIFOM to screw the recruiters as I suggested

[elvis_knits]

And why are you claiming recruitable?

[elvis_knits]

unvote; vote andycyca

I'm sorry I am so stupid and bad at keeping my alts in line.

[elvis_knits]

Do you want me to

unvote

?

[elvis_knits]

Well I want to wait for what BM tells Muerto...

[elvis_knits]

vote ooba

[elvis_knits]

Now you understand why I RB'ed Roland last night.

[elvis_knits]

Rolandofthewhite is hereby replaced by Dead Rikimaru.

Please give him a hearty welcome to the game.

Be "hearty welcome" do you mean bandwagon??

---

Ooba must die.

He's been too inactive for me. That's why I voted him -- for pressure mostly. And the fact he posts right away is a dead giveaway that he was lurking to try to stay out of trouble.

He's at L-3.

---

Korlash also grabs my attention.

[elvis_knits]

I am around but I can't hammer ooba because I am already voting him. I will be available to help lynch Kab if necessary. I have to read through his posts again though because I am currently undecided on him.

[elvis_knits]

I'm kinda insulted no one wants me on their team. Also, that anyone would suggest toning down the killing.

This is bad on a lot of levels.

Townie would never write this because it's asking to be recruited, which townie doesn't want. Only people who would want to write this are CL's or recruits who know they can't be recruited anymore. And if some other cult tries to recruit them it screws the other cult out of a successful recruit.

vote lowell

And FWIW, I blocked cavebear last night.

[elvis_knits]

Your "throwaway comment" has serious implications. Don't pretend it doesn't.

[elvis_knits]

Lowell, I could believe your role, maybe. I think the town should have lots of PRs, and I think of bodyguard more like a doc.

Something that concerns me though is that Lowell only gave one choice.

[elvis_knits]

The way this claim has gone down seems really rank.

I wanted to believe Lowell, but he keeps changing his story. First he thinks he is a roleblocker, then a doc, and then he forgets to claim all his night actions, and then doesn't even know that he forgot his N0 result. And then he claims he protected DGB N0.

[elvis_knits]

I have already claimed and given all my night actions as soon as I could give them.

Why aren't we lynching Lowell?

[elvis_knits]

vote cavebear

My claiming recruitable or not cannot help the town. It can only help cults. I don't know why you are pushing for my claim. I have said how WIFOM about being recruitable maximizes harm to cults.

[elvis_knits]

Sorry I have missed a lot. DGB seems legit.

unvote; vote xtoxm

[elvis_knits]

DGB countering xtoxm is pretty stupid idea if she's not telling the truth. If xtoxm is actually a cop, we kill DGB directly after. It would be a bad play for her to make.

[elvis_knits]

Wasn't Muerto able to confirm andycyca, or vice-versa? What happened there? I remember feeling like Muerto isn't scum...

[elvis_knits]

Roland replacements should die.

vote dead riki

side note: I first typed "dead diki."

[elvis_knits]

lol I think we're all voting for dead riki, not muerto...

oops! -fixed

[elvis_knits]

I RBed Farside.

[elvis_knits]

I have to read up on what you all have been figuring out, since it's a little complicated for me at this late hour.

[elvis_knits]

Hey I haven't read everything that has happened last few pages but you realize if you block me that I won't be able to block anyone else, right? The chain sort of doesn't work that way...

[elvis_knits]

Target: Mac
Result: sent in too late

I'm really sorry about this, but I thought I had more time to send in my choice, and I sent it in too late. I thought since the thread wasn't open that it would be okay. But BM told me my choice was too late to be accepted as other acttions had already been resolved.

Anyway... this might look bad for me since I didn't participate in the circle choice thing. The only thing I can say is that I blocked Farside the other night and I think Kison's result confirms this since Farside didn't succeed in killing DGB. Also, hopefully DGB investigated me last night, which will clear me.

[elvis_knits]

Well, there's one thing though. I am recruitable. Or would be if any leaders were still alive. So I thought it was weird that mac said he wasn't recruitable.

Kison, were you recruitable?

[elvis_knits]

FYI, my pm says I may retain my blocking ability after being recruited. So the fact that mac jailed last night doesn't prove he's not a recruit.

[elvis_knits]

I guess it was balanced afterall.

[elvis_knits]

If I didn't block Farside the other night, why isn't DGB dead?

[elvis_knits]

LOL

I have to read what happened...

I thought we were lynching Kison?

[elvis_knits]

WOW.

I'm pretty sure I CAN block kills. It sucks I wasn't around to tell you that.

But I was scum. I would have rather not been recruited, but it wasn't my choice, so I had to go with the cult.

And I never blocked Farside. I just got lucky by claiming that. Farside must have tried to recruit DGB... which is hilarious.

[elvis_knits]

While I was town, the town was losing bad. After I got recruited, all the cults started dying. I think I was the biggest loser!

[elvis_knits]

Elivs, sorry for leaving you in a bad position

Naw, it was fun!

I would have rather stayed town, but it made it very interesting for me ot switch alliance, and trying to figure out a way to win was very fun even though I failed. But yeah, I think we would have had a good chance had you not died, since I could have been RBing while you recruited/killed. A functioning cult with some power role players might have stood a chance.

I was really hoping I was not the only recruit left in the game. I thought Kison was a recruit of some other cult since he sorta confirmed me.

I think the key to cults winning this game would have been to work together more before turning on each other. We had ot defeat the town before each other. And we didn't do that, and the town had so many good power roles at the end that it was just too hard.

[elvis_knits]

Andy, I knew you were on to me, that's why I killed you