Mini 588: Achewood Mafia - Game Over!

[Musher333]

Vote PBUG

because i hate bugs in games

[Musher333]

WooHoo! I'm the first to Post.

vote:Demonking

cause he's the first to not confirm.

Beat ya by a few secs

[Musher333]

Sorry but i didn't think the point of mafia was to go on effin and blindin people, i don't really like the way this is going.

[Musher333]

Well at the moment the discussion is basically OG swearing about mafia... i don't know about you but that isn't the type of discussion i like to have when we should be playing mafia....

[Musher333]

Well at the moment the discussion is basically OG swearing about mafia... i don't know about you but that isn't the type of discussion i like to have when we should be playing mafia....

hey yo maybe you should add something to the discussion instead of like

just sayin you want discussion


anyone can just say they want discussion but what you do is what counts

well seen as you have been doing alot of joking around i don't see how that is helping discussion so one question for you;
Are you hypocritical much?

[Musher333]

To be honest i agree that OG looks quite scummy right now, not wuite enough to be worth a vote or FoS but i would advise everyone to keep a watch on what she says.

[Musher333]

To be honest i agree that OG looks quite scummy right now, not wuite enough to be worth a vote or FoS but i would advise everyone to keep a watch on what she says.

did you read my points against alabaska j or what?

again i offer this as a challenge: find me where i was "speedlynching" or "trying to start up a bandwagon" if you think i am so scummy

Yeh, i never mentioned your speedlynching, trying to get 1 step ahead of town, mafia's job.

[Musher333]

Yeh, i never mentioned your speedlynching, trying to get 1 step ahead of town, mafia's job.

first up you lost me somewhere here homie

but also you didnt comment on my points against alabaska j (lol sounds like a weed name) anything to say about them??

If you mean your blatant OMGUS of a vote on him then saying he is replacing scum that we clearly have no way of knowing yet then yeh, i think you do seem scummy, your points have no point and your main point is an OMGUS.

Vote: OG

[Musher333]

i didn't think i had a ote on but whatever,

Unvote Vote OG

[Musher333]

OG i don't know if you realise this but if you constantly grief people they will vote you out so that they don't have to hear anymore of it never mind if they think you are scum.

[Musher333]

He's not trying to speedlynch, he's trying to lynch without reasoning. Sppedlynching is piling votes on very quickly causing an extremely fast lynch.

i have reasoning with my vote now but i suppose its hard to read if youre illiterate

sigged. lol


Also, just wanted to point this out: Musher333's posting and voting as of late seems opportunistic.

Opportunistic? i am just getting sick of OG slagging everybody off and expecting that that is a good enough reply.

[Musher333]

Yet again you go calling us stupid, you are not helping yourself here because town have no reason to call each other stupid when they have evidence to back up theiralignment, your evidence is based on your vote being random that lasted to long for a random vote.

[Musher333]

OG, by changing your vote to somebody people are already speculating about you are trying to move any attention that is on you now, to the person you vote for, is my vote still on you, good it can stay there.

[Musher333]

Im not sure if i believe OG but all the same i will

unvote

[Musher333]

Im not sure if i believe OG but all the same i will

unvote

What makes you not believe her? She played very poorly, but we have no evidence to the contrary that she is not the cop.


Also,

FoS: populartajo

for being so vote shy. You afraid of your scumbuddy being lynched?

Well exactly she played bad game which made us think he as scum which makes it look less likely to her being a cop.

[Musher333]

Hmm... is anyone against a mal lynch, he has seemed quite scummy with attention shifting to lemming when lemming's name is mentioned.

I would vote but i wouldn't want to end it to quickly.

[Musher333]

Wow, just got on and seen that their is a fair but to read, but as to why would the scum not NK OG if she is cop, maybe they know there isnt a cop-like player and because of this don't have a RB'er or otherwise she is scum.

[Musher333]

I investigated PBuG. It turned out not to matter since he got nked but yeah. I had a small suspicion of him when things got hectic for me, and so I investigated him.

hmm this sure is convenient

This happens all the time.... you can't call it false, i know i would have investigated you to make sure you were cop but whatever.

[Musher333]

Also, I DO drink.

How do you know?

Only town could know it tells you in role pm, any1 else think this means populartajo is scum because he didnt know?

[Musher333]

I think we need thinktank and Greasy spot prodded.

Musher seems a little quiet for my taste. Musher do you drink?

Yes i drink

[Musher333]

Only town could know it tells you in role pm, any1 else think this means populartajo is scum because he didnt know?

or musher is scum since he is assuming drinking is in mentioned in everyone's pm.

It was mentioned in mine and if i remember correctly OG's (presuming she didnt make it up and is scum with a cop claim)

[Musher333]

Ok, CipherFacts! I'm hoping we can at least get agreement on these as a starting point, and then go from there. For the purposes of the first part, I'm assuming that everyone is telling the truth in their claims - I'll address who may or may not be lying at the end.

Roles

OG has an investigative role which tells her whether a player drinks.

DoS is a cop - his result is in the form of the player's alignment. His sanity is thus far unproven, but his innocent result on PBuG shows that he is either sane or naive.

Drinking

OG's result indicates that Alabaska doesn't drink.

Alabaska's PM states that he drinks.

populartajo doesn't drink. 323 implies that this is not in his PM.

My PM states that I don't drink.

lulu's PM doesn't specify whether she drinks, but she believes that she does.

mustafa15 drinks. 340 says that this is implied in his PM.

Greasy Spot's PM doesn't state whether he drinks, but 334 implies that he does.

DoS clearly doesn't drink at the bar, since he's not actually in the comic. 347 confirms that his PM doesn't mention drinking.

Musher believes that information on drinking is in the town PM, but hasn't said whether he drinks or not.

Conclusions

Drinking is not indicative of alignment, unless a number of the scum just voluntarily outed themselves.

Barring outside interference, one of Alabaska and OG is probably lying. The only other reasonable explanation that I can see is the existence of a role that switches night actions around (e.g. bus driver).

OG is probably sane, unless NabNab is a complete bastard.

DoS will be proven sane if he gets a guilty result on anyone at all.

um... look again, i said i drink when someone asked me, i quoted them and said yes i do drink.

[Musher333]

A seriel killer would be possible i guess but why wouldnt they have killed someone yesterday, or else if they did the scum didnt.

[Musher333]

Wow, NK'ing scum is odd, well whoever it is that did it nice job, we can't have any scum left surely as thats number 3, that just leaves whoever killed the scum if as pop pointed ou there is a seriel killer.

[Musher333]

Sorry, just got out of hospital earlier today, im up for claiming though it may be tomorrow so i have a bit of time to rest.

[Musher333]

I am Cassandra (Roast Beef) (Molly's Boyfriend) Vanilla Townie

[Musher333]

if you have a power role, you guys should be claiming it.

I don't see how claiming doctor would be a good thing, as the doctor is busy saving you at night and would be killed by the sk...

Just to add to this this seems like quite a bad case of role-fishing, we have no proof of OG being the bartender or if she is that they are pro-town, although i hope she is so then we have some type of power role to help us (with the cop being dead they can't) find out who the SK'er is.

[Musher333]

I am Philippe's Mother. Vanilla Townie.
Bah. As I thought the majority of the roles left are vanilla townies, besides OG. However, the way we have claimed and our name claims tell us big information of who could be lying and who isnt. A principal character that isnt counterclaimed is pretty much confirmed, IMO.

I did a bit of research to find out whose claim seems more believable. For now, we have.

mustafa15

tina (ray's girlfriend), vanilla townie.

mmmm, not so confirmed @mustafa15 did you research, do you have any acknowledge of the flavor?

populartajo

Philippe's Mother , vanilla townie.

I know Im confirmed

lulu muumuu

molly sanders, vanilla townie.

Pretty much confirmed

Musher333

Cassandra (Roast Beef) (Molly's Boyfriend) Vanilla Townie

I'd like to say confirmed although I dont know if "Molly's boyfriend" was added in your PM. @Musher did you research, do you have any acknowledge of the flavor?

Greasy Spot

I am Teador.

Pretty much confirmed

thinktank

Emiril: Townie.

mmmm, not so confirmed

OG Smokedank

i'm cornelius the bartender, my role is basically cop, every night i get to see if someone is a drinker there or not.

Pretty much confirmed

Ok, so far we should look to these three guys : thinktank, mustafa and Musher. Greasy, lulu and OG have believable claims and they were the first to claim.

Well i researched to see as you were in that post who could be lying and i found that my character was with someone, i thought it might be helpful due to flavour so i added it into my claim.

[Musher333]

okay... check this out guys-- now if you go back and read, when OG claimed "cop" able to see if someone drinks or not, MAFIA scrambled to say they drink or don't drink. many townspeople (or at least who i am assuming are townspeople) say it's mentioned (but offhandedly to the point where they didn't think it was important) or not even mentioned at all.

why would there be a flavor cop around whose results can't accurately indicate alignment?
also:

vote alabaska j

guess who doesnt drink!

vote OG Smokedank

because the real cop would have been roleblocked! And I strongly believe the mafia has a roleblocker if we have a cop (balance reasons). If anyone can give information that can refute my theory, I will immediately recede my vote, but until then, nice fakeclaim, buddy!

hahaha listen to this scum telling us what scum should have or would have done.

Actually, it is the only reason I can think of why a "Cop" would post a guilty result on a townie. Unless you are dumb enough to be roleblocked and post anyway…

hmmmm mafia certainly DID have a roleblocker (alabaska)!
and i think it's pretty obvious that alabaska was trying to tell us who he tried to roleblock.
show of hands: who else thinks alabaska tried to role block OG N1?
*raises hand*

by that logic, does that mean that OG is our SK and that's why we had only one kill that night?

vote: OG Smokedank

Its plausible i suppose but at the same time if we have a doctor they could have protected her and the SK was stupid enough to try and kill the person who was most likely to be protected due to a unchallenged claim.

[Musher333]

Its plausible i suppose but at the same time if we have a doctor they could have protected her and the SK was stupid enough to try and kill the person who was most likely to be protected due to a unchallenged claim.

who do you think that protected person was? and so far we have no claimed doc. unless emeril (thinktank) or teodor (greasy spot) is our doc, as everyone else has claimed vanilla townie.

i still think alabaska was trying to tell us he'd blocked OG. alabaska had a good reason to want to try and block OG, and i feel it's a lot less likely OG and the doc targeted the same person.

No i mean its possible that OG is a cop-like person and the doctor protected her, the SK'er then tried to kill her (which to me is stupid as she is the obvious person to protect).

Either of these 2 things could be true though or neither, we won't know.

[Musher333]

where did we get the conclusion that there were two different scum groups?

Two people died in the same night, one of them was scum, and nobody claimed a killing role.

SKs are considered a scum group?

Oh, they aren't? I assumed they were because they weren't pro-town, but I might be mistaken, I've only played around 5 games

I was under the impression that they are third party because to win they would need scum to be dead aswell.

[Musher333]

where did we get the conclusion that there were two different scum groups?

Two people died in the same night, one of them was scum, and nobody claimed a killing role.

SKs are considered a scum group?

Oh, they aren't? I assumed they were because they weren't pro-town, but I might be mistaken, I've only played around 5 games

I was under the impression that they are third party because to win they would need scum to be dead aswell.

Yeah I suppose. In that case, let me fix this.

I realize that it would normally be odd to have two cops, but keep in mind that there are two different scum groups, for a total of 4 or 5 scum. The game would feel a bit too stacked against the town unless the town had some other advantage, such as two cops.

I realize that it would normally be odd to have two cops, but keep in mind that there are 4 or 5 people that are anti-town, and that two people are being killed in a night. The game would feel a bit too stacked against the town unless the town had some other advantage, such as two cops.

But if one is a flavour cop there is no substantial information at this point to say that only town aligned people drink.

[Musher333]

But if one is a flavour cop there is no substantial information at this point to say that only town aligned people drink.

What do you mean by flavor cop? Every result that OG has gotten so far has been confirmed correct...

By flavor cop i mean the fact that normally there isn't a bartender thus if there is it is due to the flavor of the game at hand.

[Musher333]

Sorry for not being here. I am on vacation currently.

I have read the case against againt thinktank and I agree with it. He was asked to respond and has not.

vote: thinktank

So you don't add anything you just hammer, to me this doesnt seem like a townie move.

[Musher333]

lulu muumuu drinks.

Why lulu huh?

vanilla claim, someone who has changed their mind a lot during the game (especially to me, who i know is a townie). lulu's claim matches the investigation; the wiki article said she barhopped and stuff. so i'll look into the other three in the meantime, probably starting with masher.

How can you look at us in the meantime? I am guessing by this you meant on a night but there is only 1 night left unless we lynch the SK due to the next day being Lylo.

i'm concerned that Greasy Spot hammered thinktank and was joking about hammering alabaska (he was the second to last vote). This lynch i want some real input. the rest of us have at least 2 pages worth of posts.

I agree with the lynch being quick and unprovoked, there wasn't too much evidence that would make us think thinktank was the sk, this could be the sk getting reckless or it could be just a bad move by town, i am thinking its the first one how about the rest of you?

[Musher333]

I think Musher is the SK. He speculated with you, lulu, too much about a possible doctor.

Just one question, if im the sk then who is Beef? He is too important to not include.

musher do you have something to add?

Not realy, i still find Greasy's hammer as irrational but even somebody who hadn't played anti town before (not saying he has or hasn't just pointing out) wouldn't be daft enough to do a blatant anti town tell (using that term as it seems only SK is left. I think its enough to go on for now, its risky but if it turns out that Greasy is the SK then we will have won.

Vote: Greasy

[Musher333]

How can you look at us in the meantime? I am guessing by this you meant on a night but there is only 1 night left unless we lynch the SK due to the next day being Lylo.

did you forget what game were playing? serial killer is still scum and can be found like other scum: through posting which is what i'm gonna be looking at

No, any1 that isn't actually mafia is a third party person, i know the only difference is the technicality of when you say it but still....

[Musher333]

EBWOP to add:

and not that beef isn't in the game, but he wouldn't have to be vanilla. he could be a doc, or a vig, or an SK...

But someone mentioned a nice pete earlier in the game and said he sounded like an SK, does that mean there are 2 SK's?

[Musher333]

Can't think of any right now...

Agreed, apart from the claim that im sure the non-flavor cop didn't confirm, that being i can't remember him saying that she was confirmed, it seems odd to have two cops but at the same time one is flavor and might not function the same plus we have two separate groups of anti town (i guess the second one can't be called a group but i couldn't think of another word)

[Musher333]

I agree with a doc claiming (if there is one), if that happens then we have one almost certain townie (the SK could fake claim but it would be obvious when they didnt die at night unless the SK wants to screw us over mentally

[Musher333]

I think the exchange is a bit suspicious, there are three possible reasons for it however
1) OG is cop and wasn't rb'ed exchange was for this kind of discussion
2) OG is the sk, the exchange was Alabaska trying to tell us this without 100% ridding scums chance of winning
3) OG is town that decided to lie about being cop to try and confirm themselves, bad tactics but OG is quite new to this forum, i think i remember her saying this was her first game. The exchange was again for the same reason.

[Musher333]

Still with the swearing i see....

[Musher333]

Still with the swearing i see....

Nothing to comment about her accusations?

What accusation... that i voted for her because she was being a pain in the arse and swearing for no reason which basically takes the point out of playing this to enjoy ourselves as for playing the game you get swore at?
No i have nothing to say apart from i would rather lose in a nice environment then win in a one full of people i hate.

[Musher333]

So i have focused on you... yeh what are you doing to me?
You should be replaced because im sure one of the rules is a bit of swearing is ok but over-swearing should not be tolerated, you created a new account... we don't even know if this is OG playing. Nice reply to my i don't think swearing is a professional comeback (that is what i was trying to say) post by calling me a faggot, why not try to do some real defense instead of swearing is my best comeback.

Musher, who is the SK for you?

To me i think it is OG, the only comeback/ defense she ever gives includes alot of swearing, as she says how old are you? the point is how old are you OG, you should know that people with half a brain have more wit and can make better comebacks than, they think im the SK lets call them a fucking faggot. As i have already pointed out there isn't any proof that this is the real OG (swearing isn't hard to fake).

Im gonna

unvote vote og

, see how many insults are in her next 'comeback'

[Musher333]

Yet again you prove to be retarded at defending yourself, the second quote of mine you gave never mentioned Alabaska once, i said it was odd for the SK to lynch scum as if you are the SK you would lynch people you think are town, my question to you OG is if i am the SK how come i havn't tried to kill you, its evident that the SK didnt as someone was killed. Now i think about it Alabaska wasn't even in the game at the point of the second quote given, this sound like anti town grasping at straws to anyone else?

[Musher333]

Yet again, the first quote mentions nothing about Alabaska.... *sighs* can we lynch that badly defending SK already

[Musher333]

i can't shake my suspicions about OG. otherwise probably mush. i think if i realized there were an SK i'd be a bit more scared rather than congratulatory.

yeh but my point is that although its bad we have an SK if we didn't we would have still had the same amount of anti town to kill (as he NK'ed the last scum)

[Musher333]

Nothing for me to paraphrase, i'm vanilla who wins when all anti town are killed.

[Musher333]

oh my bad.

paraphrase:
i'm molly sanders; given that i'm dead and just an applebees waitress, i don't have much else to contribute other than a vanilla function. i win when only townies are left

see theres no way musher doesnt have any flavor as roast beef

Hows that? Think of what other roles are even remotely possible to include, theres not many, just because a fairly main character has no real flavor doesn't make it false, i don't see how a bar tender can be a cop but theres still a chance of it.

[Musher333]

Musher?

Ah now i get you;
I am Roast Beef, i am a vanilla townie who likes to drink Guinness.
I win when all threats to the town are stopped or there comes a time where this is inevitable.

[Musher333]

i'm leaving today for four days to go to a wedding reception, i wont have internet but the good news is i'm voting for scum already!!

Didn't realise you were voting for yourself

[Musher333]

So far.


b)Musher's seems a little elaborated. And why did you change it?

Well i thought you weren't allowed to put directly what is there so instead of putting when only town is left i put when all threats to town are stopped.

[Musher333]

This game is moving far too slowly.

A deadline has been set for Noon (12:00 EST) on Wednesday, July 23

Im away before then, i will play up to friday if possible but i go away on saturday. Could i be replaced if the need arises please, thanks.

[Musher333]

Didn't realise you were voting for yourself

hey did you ever tell everybody why you think i'm scummy?

oh wait i think your argument was "townies dont swear" if i remember correctly[/quote]

No there was more than that, firstly you seem to pray on weak players:

day 1

you start on demonking for no reason, say its random then press on even though you have no reason, he is replaced by Alabaska and you continue till people start on mathius.

Day 2

With Mathius dead you restart on Alabaska who tries to tell us that she role-blocked you on Night 1 so thus your investigation is false, when she tries to tell us this you push harder.

Day 3

You weren't the reason behind the lynch.

Day 4

You see that i am not the best at defending myself and push on me, i continuously show that what you are saying is daft, like when you say

Didn't realise you were voting for yourself

hey did you ever tell everybody why you think i'm scummy?

oh wait i think your argument was "townies dont swear" if i remember correctly[/quote] Well actually ive pointed on Alabaska saying this before and you said as your 'awesome defense' something along the lines of omg you bullshitting faggot. heres my question, do you think if you swear it improves the chances of people believing you? and seen as you ask why i think your scummy i cant seem to remember why you think im scummy, care to say or is it coz im a 'bullshitter'.

Nearly forgot, as lulu put it earlier, you seem to be investigating people to show results that suit you eg lulu is against you so you 'prove' she is town by your investigation, you think alabaska will be easy to topple so you 'investigate' her and find her scum (this was right but your reasons for saying so are a bit misty)

[Musher333]

musher you havent said anything that proves i am scummy, you say i prey on weak players but how is that scummy? alabaska was a weak player? so i'm scummy for finding/lynching scum? in other words, i'm scummy for successfully scumhunting?

basically your argument is that scumhunting is scummy, but i guess doing nothing all game is ok by you

There is a difference between scum hunting and preying on weak players, taking out players that aren't too good at defending solely for that reason and faking results from them and to others at your liking isn't being town.

And doing nothing? Im pretty sure if you take out swearwords which provide nothing to the case you are presenting then i have contributed more than you have.

[Musher333]

Yet you havn't restated your case against me, i can't remember it being anything apart from not voting much (no more substantial than your convinient investigations).

@Greasy- I counted the SK as a second group, they aren't scum but are anti town thus are a second group, that ain't half twisting my words >.<

[Musher333]

^^^^^^

dont read any of that post, og smokedank SWORE in it! clearly it is not content!

my case against you is basically you havent bothered to do anything this game,

musher same challenge i gave greasy, if you were me and had the role i claim to have, who would you have investigated every night?

Im pretty sure im pursuing your lynch, i hadn't added much content before hand but then again there wasn't much about Alabaska or Mathius to comment on that hadn't already been said.

Night 1- I would have probably investigated Alabaska, mathius was lynched and there were small links linking them together
Night2- DoS to check if he was realy a cop
Night3- If i were you then things wouldn't have panned out the same, i find you scummy but then i would know you s false as i would be the cop, so it would have depended then.

[Musher333]

Hey, just got back today and read this, OG even though i knew you weren't the SK i didn't think you were the cop, seemed to odd to have 2 cops....

Anyway GG all, my favourite game of mafia so far.