Mini 589: SSBB Smalltown Mafia (Game Over!)

[Anatole Kuragin]

Kirby.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Vote: pickemgenius

Peach is annoying.

[Anatole Kuragin]

You're wrong.

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's not going to help trying to lynch the best/worst roles, what have to go off of right now is how people act following the jokearound stage. I'd suggest going through the assholes first then the non-contributing lurkers.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So do you or don't you put up with BS?

Flip flopping?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Gorrad.

[Anatole Kuragin]

p.s. "going through" assholes and non con lurkers is fucking terrible. YOU LYNCH WHO THE SCUMMIEST ALWAYS.

fuck people(gorrad,AK). lynching non con lurkers and assholes isnt how you win games.... fucking a.

QFT. Why would town ever want to lynch anyone else BUT scum? Personal dislike/hatred for someone's personality/playstyle should be left at the sign-in thread.

Unvote; Vote: AK

The logic in this is pretty obviously flawed in this game. Without night kills or lynches or anything else that could give us reliable information, day one is primarily scum trying to bandwagon anyone who points out scummy behavior, or killing lynchers. I just proposed that we get rid of those who had a scummy personality, which is a scum tell.

And saying someone should be lynched because they don't like a playstyle is moronic, since you're basically saying you don't like my playstyle in doing so.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Well, that was misinterpreted by seemingly everyone.

The argument was never that we should kill people based on personality in lieu of scumminess, but this was a better argument against them than their role or jokearound stuff on day one. Most of the day one votes start as a joke then evolve into a bandwagon that kill an innocent because he joked about something. And since it was made very clear that roles are independent of character, that would be just as stupid to kill someone for.

And @ PEG: did you actually read what you're quoting? They're not related at all.

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's not going to help trying to lynch the best/worst roles, what have to go off of right now is how people act following the jokearound stage. I'd suggest going through the assholes first then the non-contributing lurkers.

ok first of all, this post (which is the one in question) doesn't seem like a joke to me, personally. you could have at least included a smiley or a "lol" in there, and it probably wouldn't have been such a big deal. you say that

The argument was never that we should kill people based on personality in lieu of scumminess

well that last sentence in the first quote pretty much contradicts that. it seems like you were going lynch

because

of personality. you say it's a joke, but personally it didn't seem like one to me, so my vote stays.

I didn't say it was a joke, I said it was misinterpreted.

[Anatole Kuragin]

And @ PEG: did you actually read what you're quoting? They're not related at all.

So we should "go through" assholes and non contributing lurkers first, but at the same time we shouldn't go after people because of playstyle?

Not *instead of* scumminess, no.

[Anatole Kuragin]

If we claim that we're investigating someone who turns out to be mafia, isn't that a bit regressive for the town?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Pst, AK, we're claiming AFTER we perform the night actions.

My mistake, sure I'm fine with this.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I probably shouldn't announce who I target, for the good of the town. (and my well-being)

[Anatole Kuragin]

I was actually thinking of taking Super Saint.

[Anatole Kuragin]

And ask to be assassinated. Even if I was going to take an investigative role, I wouldn't say it for the next two days.

[Anatole Kuragin]

And how does it not help to kill the person who kills me?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Then they'll think twice about killing an innocent.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think you're missing the point.

I'm going to claim to get super saint no matter what, but since you've failed to understand that, now the scum will know.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So you don't all agree that scum is more likely to kill someone who has admitted that they're a finder, tracker, or healer than someone who has claimed super saint (or several other things).

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Rules

[Anatole Kuragin]

VOTE: MAFIASSK

this is a good vote for now.

May I ask why your voting me? True, I'm not participating much but I don't see what to talk ABOUT.

because you jumped on the AK wagon with bad reasoning
i'm fine with either a MafiaSSK or AK lynch today

How are you *not* jumping on the AK bandwagon with this comment?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Well, you (everyone) obviously don't since people are considering voting me for not doing something stupid like that.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Leaving for a day or two, sorry.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Back, sorry about the absence. I'll claim what power I take tonight if it will put you all at ease, but there's really no way of knowing unless the mod announces who I take.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Two people targeting someone also eliminates the chance of being doctored.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I might be killed if I claim my role? Is nobody else afraid for my life?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Then to further the randomocity of the random claim order:

I targeted Pit but I'm last in turn order so he was dead before I could absorb him.

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP: After re-reading the rules, it seems I did get the power, nevermind.

I've got Pit's power.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Care to say why?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Heh, I always thought One-Shot Vig characters at least this early were usually more harmful to the town. On night one he'd have no idea who was scum and who wasn't. Tracker or Archangel on the other hand...

[Anatole Kuragin]

For pointing out you defended one of the less likely people to be nightkilled? Is this some form of OMGUS?

[Anatole Kuragin]

And yet two more useful roles are dead.

Coincidence? I think NOT!

[Anatole Kuragin]

And in your N-1 kill experience, how often have you

known

who was one-shot vig?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm sorry if I missed something, what does Ike getting bigger mean?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Oh, I see now.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I can keep PIs from dying, and I didn't want to waste tracker this early without a good hint at who might be evil.

I guess I expected Samus to be around longer, I still don't understand why a vig was protected over him.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Perhaps you should go ahead and remove your OMGUS vote so we can get down to business.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why is AK scummier than Gorrad, who obviously protected a crap role so his friends could kill the good ones?

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP: Or at least on the same level as Gorrad.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Eh, I was directing that towards Lawrence.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Revised suspect list:

Gorrad
Goborage

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm pretty sure dahill/gorrad could do their character action as well as their allotted mafia kill on different people.

So, while we (supposedly) know who they targeted, they also could have done the night kill.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah, SK kill is what I meant.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Does anyone want to give me more questions/comments on my posts?

I find Gorrad suspicious too, but is it for any reason other than his scummy guard action and OMGUS vote?

[Anatole Kuragin]

well, i shouldn't have said "people". i meant AK

I was referring to the preceding posts that were all about you and gob. Did you read them?

If I was scum, I'd have roleblocked Gob so Dahill would kill Fonz and the blame would fall on Gob. If for no other reason, than the fact that I did not do that should make y'all less suspicious.[/quote

And this is 100% WIFOM.

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP

If I was scum, I'd have roleblocked Gob so Dahill would kill Fonz and the blame would fall on Gob. If for no other reason, than the fact that I did not do that should make y'all less suspicious.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm here, just nothing happening.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Since he's just WIFOMing and has no believable explanation for his vote:

Vote: Gorrad

[Anatole Kuragin]

EBWOP: his action, not vote.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Sorry about the spamming, but now that I think about it.

He has no real explanation for either his vote or night action.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Wow, way to be a sore sport, Gorrad.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't suppose anyone else finds it suspicious that Gorrad just said he was going to kill me.