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whoo! I made it on PB's day one list!

I did spell werewolves right, cuz they're just that cool.

/confirm.

I honestly don't see what the point of a first day list is, because roles change everytime. If it were anyone else, I'd probably vote them, but I expect this kind of thing from you.

Random Vote: MMCL

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Lol I hate that too

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Well, I haven't read up on the games PB has been in with Cubsfan and Quagmire, but due to Cubsfan's aggressive nature, and my attacks against him in Zelda mafia, I'm guessing he's compiled a list of people to vote for day one based on those he's had confrontations with. I may be wrong, but that's what I'm thinking it is.

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FOS MMCL, PB and Sildgado

I doubt all three of you are scummy, but there's something wierd going on there...

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And I apologize for Sildgado...it's been a rough day

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MMCL: I'm a moron. Do not say 'look at post 2' and expect me to discover exactly what you're thinking.

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MMCL, I disbelieve your reasoning on Tally, and will not vote on that.

I also don't see much in Lulu being scum.

MMCL seems a little eager to go after something he himself says he's not sure of...

maybe I'm just jealous cuz no one listens to me...j/k.

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I like my vote.

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Tally, he meant he was doing the shameless bandwagoning.

Free thought's not dead, people.

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Is it ever.

These little claims are nice and all, but we're getting no information.

I'm a little curious why not claim fully, because I'd say that's a definate call for protection.

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I say leave her.

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Unvote

Ok, I'll play along,

vote PB

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Oh-- a point to make too Nanook- I don't believe for a minute that you never heard the term lynch bait.

Meh, I've never heard it either. And I really can't see much relevence, and based on the little relevance it might have to this game, I don't see why someone would lie about it.

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unvote PB

Just because someone is supposedly "lynch-bait" does not make them immune to lynch.

After Zelda mafia, I got a strong dose of how PB plays. His arrogence ticks me off, that's no secret. Just because he plays a certain way and now an 'easy target' doesn't mean people are going to come after him because of that.

But if Uraj was roleblocked, then I'll accept it now.

unvote: lulu, vote: nanook

- for going after the lynch bait, rather than hunting scum.

However, I will

Fos: Talitha

for that statement; how do you know the "lynch bait" aren't scum?

To me MMCL still is looking suspicious for not giving us a straight answer. I'm thinking it's possible he's keeping information hidden so he can be protected if we were to lynch tally and she turns up innocent.

But if MMCL really is a cop, and he has some information on Tally, maybe we should lynch her...I dunno.

Anyway, I'm considering voting Nanook, but I'm not 100% his actions were scummy.

And sorry for bringing up old stuff it's the weekend and I can think more.

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The more I think about it, the more I think Talitha is scum.

Because had PB been scum, we would be praising Nanook. It kind of seems to me that people are punishing him because PB is innocent.

Vote Tally

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I'm saying, that hypothetically, if PB were guilty, and Nanook found him out, we obviously wouldn't be bandwagoning him.

But Nanook. Nanook's bandwagon started, and worked. It was extremely effective at getting at a townie. The scum-bait theory is sound and if Nanook is scum, it makes a wise move for him.
Furthermore, back to logic, Nanook said that he was well aware of PB's style. And that moves into my core belief. If someone plays consistently a prticular way, whether scum or not, how can this be an indication of scuminess? It can't. And i dont understand why a protown nanook would think that.

Vote: Nanook

I got the impression that Uraj was at first talking from the point of view that Nanook was scum. He does mention the protown example, but Nanook could just be a townie looking at PB's posts, finding them scummy.

Am I sure of Nanook's innocence? Of course not. But Nanook's posts seem to be commenting on PB's actions, not on his generic play style. That is why I think the votes are unjustified. And that is why I see it as people punishing him.

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Alright...

Random Back From The Dead In Another Plane of Existance Vote TSS

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But his town role is not related to his village role and vise-versa...

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Oops, I missed that

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I think she's reffering to the one she got lynched in by our counterparts.

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Yay! Joyous I am!

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unvote

Random bandwagon...normally I'd pass...but it

is

PeaceBringer...

I'll wait.

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I agree...although I think he omitted something about the vote count in the first post. His post doesn't suggest he's looking for a vote count, but then again, it is plausible.

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but I am getting real tired of folks jumping on the Peace wagon's on day one.

No you did not forget Talitha-- Don't sell me that bill of goods.

It's your charm.

Voting someone because you can't get a read on someone is rather awkward though.

fos Fuldu

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Unfortunately, I am always a curious person, and the thought of hearing a claim alway interests me.

Me too.

But onto other things:

I would have put a vote on Fuldu. So to warn everyone, I'm close to voting Fuldu.

I see it as win-win with one small flaw.

If he's a town role that's weak, he's right, if we lynch him, we keep ourselves from rabidly outing an important role.

If he's skum and he's trying to escape by claiming "I'm a weak pro-town role, ignore me."

I'm not really worried about the flaw right now, because I doubt that it's the case.

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vote Fuldu

There's been enough time. That's one away from a lynch.

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Silgado:

If he's a town role that's weak, he's right, if we lynch him, we keep ourselves from rabidly outing an important role.

If he's skum and he's trying to escape by claiming "I'm a weak pro-town role, ignore me."

I'm not really worried about the flaw right now, because I doubt that it's the case.

TSS, that was me. And I really cannot think of why I didn't come out with the flaw outright. The flaw would be that he's a cop or doc, using this as a ploy to escape suspicion, just like the scum scenario. But again, I doubt it.

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vote: MMCL

I'm not convinced at all.

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Something is wrong? What about a doc protecting the would be killed? I don't know, the role-block doesn't seem definate to me.

Besides, I'd go with town killer than slightly more possible suspect any day.

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Peacebringer...

I don't know what to make of it...she never unvoted peacebringer, but that's not particularly damning.

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Forgive me. Day 1 I thought either of you were a good lynch because it would give information, and Day 2 it appeared you were trying something. There wasn't any way we could let you go for killing the innocent, regardless of your own innocence.

Yes, I made a mistake. We all did. But I don't regret it. I did what I had to do.

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How about you?

Vote Flying Dutchman

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Wait a minute, something's wrong.

unvote

Vote Wacky

That's a little better.

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Delayed response to the whole wolf thing.

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unvote

I like FD better.

vote FD

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hey, sorry, I didn't see anyone else post in this so I didn't post...my bad.

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Forgive me, I'm an introvert.

Are you refering to both, or are you refering to day or night? Today there really hasn't been much to say, and throughout the rest of the game I haven't had much to say either. I don't need to use lengthy messages to get my point across.

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Sometimes.

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Guys, this is mafia. Cops die. It's too much to speculate if PB or PB's homies killed W_W. We get the information during the day and lynch PB at night depending on W_W's result.

That's because you were calling it a bandwagon.

That's funny.

(Quite strange, because it was actually

you

who first refered to it as a "smaller bandwagon")

she voted for a person with a smaller bandwagon at that time,

I'm going to go with FD...I've notice he doesn't exactly pay the most attention to games, which is bad for the town any way you slice it.

Although I'm thinking about lynching Coron, but I wanna know what he's getting at.

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Here's the thing. We have nothing. Nothing.

I'll admit it, I forget, or I just don't find the things to post. And saying "I'm hear, but have nothing to say" doesn't make the mod or the players feel better.

Coron, some of your posts were a little awkward. I was curious about the bandwagon thing, but got no reply. I'm definately thinking of voting you, but an inactive (like myself, but preferably not myself) would probably be a better target.

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I'm waiting for WW to speak.

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Village night 1: WW got innocent investigation on PB
Village night 2: WW died.

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Wait. You got the result on PB N2? How? Weren't you supposed to have died? Why am I confused?

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Thank you for the clarification.

But the last part is confusing...

Anyway, I'm not going to be voting for Nanook unless we get desperate because there could have been a doc protect or a missed choice. I'll try to look back over the Town days in a little bit.

I need to go to sleep...I just thought I saw my avatar change as if it were animated...

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I think W_W is a cop for the village, and Nanook a roleblocker in the town.

A vote count would be good.

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Mastermind of Sin replaces Flying Dutchman.

*agrees.........*

Vote: NanookTheWolf

Hmm...

Anyway, I think it is time to put the puppy down

Vote Nanook

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Are we any closer than from where we started? Meaning, could we pretend we're at day 1 and just random vote/bandwagon? I know it's stupid but I really can't think of much else.

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I have? I don't even remember how I've been acting in either...

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My behaviour actually changes from day to day with regards to games. The truth is, I only recently discovered the power of a bandwagon and it's true, universal purpose. Before hand, I had no idea that bandwagons were

always

used to gain claims. Hence the reason for the village bandwagon reluctance. However, in the town, I had sufficient reason to get both Tally and MMCL. And on town's day 3, I executed a reluctence onto the bandwagon. Drop your arms, you've got nothing on me.

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Oh, I'm sorry I had psychic perseption to know what everyone's roles were and didn't use it! Whoops! Silly me!

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I never like it when, deep into a game, players claim we can do no better than randomness.

...oh, sorry, I didn't notice all your great ideas at the time.

I'm a vig. Never killed anybody, I didn't think it was a good idea, especailly since this game stalled like crazy. Which is why I suggested randomness in the first place. And it's not like I really wanted to do it, or else maybe I would have placed a random vote.

There we go. I've answered everything.

Yeah. So now you know. Let's move the random bandwagon off me.

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K. Here is the flavor.

Vigilante. With a capital V. That's it. No flavor, just pro-villageness.

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No. I've pretty much told you everything.

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Just curious, Silent Speaker, but what do you hope to accomplish with the bandwagon on me? Because if your not satisfied with the information, and I have no more to give (or I'm scum and I'll give no more anyway), then why are you bandwagoning me? One thing comes to mind, but that contradicts what you said, so I'm just confused.

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Well, I'm Jeff, I have a twin, I'm a vegetarian, I like animals, I play videogames...oh...

Would you like me to explain anything specific? Here's day by day.

Day 1: Lynched Tally because I believed either MMCL or her was scum by thier confrontation.

I wanted to lynch MMCL on day one because I thought it was more likely he was scum.

Day 2: Lynched MMCL because I believed either Tally was scum by thier confrontation.

Day 3: Who knows. Who remembers. Oh yeah, we did one of those...slow...wait so that everyone piles votes on the person just to move things along days. I didn't particularly like this style of play, but I can't say I'm sad to see the godfather die.

And I am different between games. I'm different between RL days. I change drastically depending on mood; my emotions get the better of me. As you might have been able to tell, I was kind of an ass while claiming. Today I'm more likely to continue that asshole-ishness if this persists. If you want to see differences, there are many times when I've headered my posts with, "sorry if this sounds harsh, but..." and lots of s. And that's Me 101.

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I'd say let's go random, but apparently nobody likes that. So I'll just sit here and ferment with the rest of you.

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Oh ok, who do you want me to kill?

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Wow! We lynched two people we thought were scum! Doh! How could we have been so dumb?

Please, don't you people have any other stones to throw at me?

Vote Coron

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That was an overreaction, sorry, but I feel like I've heard this arguement 1000 times.

If you believe that people shouldn't be killed for what even remotely looks like a lepton's gambit, then good for you, let the scum claim cop and go free.

I have no better place to put my vote anyway.

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Nanook claimed roleblocker. I believed him to a point. What's yours? (oh that was clever...ok...no it wasn't.)

Oh yeah, and I've already explained in detail why I've been acting differently in both the town

and

the village. That's at least 2 times, for those who can't count.

Unvote Coron

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And that's four...

Since I've said everything, do you guys want a claim? If you think I'm scum, put me one away from a lynch. Go ahead. I dare you.

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I lost my post. Stupid internet.

Anyway...I was going to wait for 5 but I figured why bother, this game is slow enough as it is. I am the Thief. Before the game started, I was asked from which of three buildings would I like to steal from, the Hospital, the Police Station, or the Gun Shop. I chose the Police Station and I recieved a bullet proof vest. I may at any time give this vest to a player, which is good for one night. So basically I've become a one-shot doc.

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One time theft, one night use, AFAIK.

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I'm not. But I'd love to hear others opinions instead of letting this game stall into a lynch of me.

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Just to let you know, Speedy's dead in the village. He's my vig kill choice.

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Spare me, you stallers.

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Whoa, Coron, where the hell'd you get that? I was asking for everyone to stop stalling the game so that everyone practically has to vote for the current bandwagon. It happened to Nanook and it happened to me. You think you're going to get lucky everytime? Alright, it wasn't so bad on me as it was on Nanook, but still, that was the reason I voted Nanook was to prevent the game from stalling. Was it a mistake? Yes because it's cheap. It doesn't matter that he was scum. I mean, it's good that he was lynched, but stalling the game to force the lynch is rather dishonorable.

At least tell me the arguement against me. I've heard nothing since I claimed other than, "is there another role in the town" and "Mr. 'Scum make up creative claims.'" Hey, mods do too.

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Ok thank you. And thanks for picking up the discussion. If you're going to kill me, do it right.

And I'm not suicidal, Coron.

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Ah man, I was in mid post when my internet failed, and then I completely forgot.

Let me recap some events you people seem to be forgetting.

Yesterday, in village, I claimed vig. Last night (village's POV) I said I'd kill Speedy in Town. Yep, I fricked that up. But no mystery SK or mystery vig.

Oh yeah, and ROCK ON TOWN MAFIA! 8)

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Vote MGM

I don't think you've been awake all day.

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Now it's my turn to be tired. Which plan? People claiming?

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Personally I'd think it'd be more helpful for the town.

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Mass claim.

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You did. I remember.

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Unvote

I actually don't remember why I thought you were scummy, and I personally would like to hear the rest of the claims.

For the record, I never thought asking for flavor was scummy, I just remembered that you did.

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Vote: MOS

4th of 5.

Vigging halfpint tonight unless any objections.

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First of all, props to RM for being the only one left alive in both games.

Second of all, someone remind me why PB was confirmed again?

Third of all, I'm thinking we should lynch either PB or MGM and I'll shoot the other, and then it'll just be myself and the masons (which are pretty much confirmed, since Tally's proven and came out, otherwise I'd be skeptical).

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Don't lynch MGM. Posting to follow.

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And by the above statement, I of course me don't lynch MGM until I post, not don't lynch him ever.

TSS: Your analysis is excellent, yet it lacks context.

If MGM is scum, either the game will end, or there's one more scum left, correct?

If it's PB, then why shouldn't I vig him? I know it's not me, and I know it's not a mason. So therefore, W_W must've had a different sanity.

If it's me, then telling me not to kill PB means that you must have a different sanity.

Now I'm sure you're going to say something to prove me utterly wrong, and that is why we shouldn't lynch MGM until I completely understand the ramifications. Sorry to delay the innevitable.

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And by the above statement, I of course me

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don't lynch MGM until I post, not don't lynch him ever.

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MGM: No, I never said it wouldn't be smart to lynch you. I said not to lynch until I posted. I've posted, I'm happy to lynch you.

TSS: If day breaks with a shooting, then there can't BE a dispute as to my loyalty. If I'm town, I've saved the town one day, and all that'll be left is two of the three of us. Otherwise, I'm scum. Which of course, being the endgame, I wouldn't listen to you. I know arguing with you doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do, and the last thing I'd want is for you to question my moral ambiguoity, but I'm meerly saying that your situation's domain does not rest in our current situation.

PB is dead tonight, if MGM is not the last wolf. Sorry.

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MGM: No, I never said it wouldn't be smart to lynch you. I said not to lynch until I posted. I've posted, I'm happy to lynch you.

TSS: If day breaks with a shooting, then there can't BE a dispute as to my loyalty. If I'm town, I've saved the town one day, and all that'll be left is two of the three of us. Otherwise, I'm scum. Which of course, being the endgame, I wouldn't listen to you. I know arguing with you doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do, and the last thing I'd want is for you to question my moral ambiguoity, but I'm meerly saying that your situation's domain does not rest in our current situation.

PB is dead tonight, if MGM is not the last wolf. Sorry.

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MGM: No, I never said it wouldn't be smart to lynch you. I said not to lynch until I posted. I've posted, I'm happy to lynch you.

TSS: If day breaks with a shooting, then there can't BE a dispute as to my loyalty. If I'm town, I've saved the town one day, and all that'll be left is two of the three of us. Otherwise, I'm scum. Which of course, being the endgame, I wouldn't listen to you. I know arguing with you doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do, and the last thing I'd want is for you to question my moral ambiguoity, but I'm meerly saying that your situation's domain does not rest in our current situation.

PB is dead tonight, if MGM is not the last wolf. Sorry.

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If MGM is the last wolf, then the game is over.

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If PB doesn't post when I come back to the site (in about 6 hours or so) and I remember I posted this then, then I'm going to end it.