Dichotomafia- Games Over

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Vote: Talitha

- She's been staring at me funny - and confirm my other role.

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I'm happy with my vote on lurky-tally

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Lurky tally

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Cool...and thanks Norinel

I still see no reason to change my vote from Lurky-Tally.... PS Lurky is the new official prefix for Tally, and Scum is the official suffix...

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It's not the use of the word, lurky, per se... more who I am applying it to.

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Confirm Vote: Tally

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Because I think you are scum...

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Enough games to know that Tally is a justified target this day... I am not 100% sure she is scum... but I would say at least 50/50... and that is good enough for me on day one.

...What's my reasoning? Among other things, look at post #2 on the Tally filtered list...

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Sorry - I'm here - just my PC died and I had to go out and spend £1300 on a new one It doesn't rain, it pours.

Anyways... I played a newbie game with Talitha recently - in it I told her I was innocent and did everything I could to convince her. It was true - I was innocent. The advantage being that I knew she was innocent in that case because I was a doc and protected her the night before (when there was no night kill). Two confirmed innocents working together are a force to be reckoned with.
In that game, which PB was part of too, Tally pondered if I could be the sort of scum that would use 'emotional blackmail' in the form of our friendship, to convince her of my innocence. I believe that is what she tried in Post #2. No disrespect Tally (still love you mwah mwah)... You defended yourself in your post #2 saying you are a busy mum - and then proceed to go and show us 'how' the name lurky does not apply to you - a contradiction of sorts...

It's a risk on my part, but one I am willing to take.

Also - the calls for me to reveal that I am a cop. What do you want me to say? At this stage I won't say I am and I won't say I am not. Just that I believe I have the town's best interests at heart and that I think it is highly likely that Tally is scum.

Why won't I say either way...? Because if I am not and the scum take me out (because they think I am) then they wasted a night kill...

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Im not the scum Tally is - and I think one of: "Wacky, lulu muumuu, NanookTheWolf" is too...

Seriously guys - I've had the week from hell... First my PC dies completely then I've been mega ill - my face is numb and Im feverish... Im shaking as I type this... going back to bed shortly. Don't replace me as I can help a lot more in this game.

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I'm feeling a bit better - but am very tired and still very achy...


Oooh... I see that the ball's in my court again, eh?

I have additional information that makes me believe you are scum Tally.... of course in mafia games you can never be 100% sure about that information, as any information role can be effected by sanity. But let's look at how

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play mafia games....

1) I am terrible when it comes to dropping in little clues - often every post has them if you look hard enough - I haven't really done that here because of my WEEK FROM HELL™.

2) If I am an innocent, I have a proven track record (hell, the newbie game with Tally and PB that I discussed before - as the latest example) of trying to find and prove my innocence to other people. People that know they can trust each other are a far superior force to be reckoned with (I think we can all agree with that) - especially in mafia games.

3) When I have an investigative role I tend to attack and wait for a response. I always chose someone I know as my first target as I don


Ultimately - I have reason to believe Tally is scum. I will

not

'out' myself and say which kind of information role I have - but I believe I will need protection tonight as a result.
Nothing I have seen from Tally has suggested to me that she is NOT scum - in fact, the last few posts of hers seem to be positively digging me for information on my role so she can give her scum-buddies a better target tonight.

DAY ONEs are always hard - but I would rather lynch a friend on a 50/50 cos I know they won't end up hating me for it

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ack... half of sentence got deleted...

That'll teach me for posting when Im still shaking...

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should read:

3) When I have an investigative role I tend to attack and wait for a response. I always choose someone I know as my first target as I don

't need to worry when it comes to analysing their responses. An unknown would be far harder to verify.

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And your reason for unvoting me? other than just for show?

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FOS: PB

for not using the preview button, but instead, cutting and pasting his reply....

Anyone who so obviously 'crafts' his replies before posting is surely suspect....

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OK - I would UN-FOS you if that was necessary or worth it

I meant crafting a reply because it was obvious you had written it in one place, and then pasted it in.. (the double paste)...

Remember kids... Preview is our friend.

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I have already stated that I need protection Only Tally said I should not be protected - before prompting me to reveal my role in more detail...

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I don't want to argue over semantics... but "rightly so" regarding me NOT being protected?

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Well - we are kind of at a stalemate I guess....

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I think my stance is quite clear... as would yours, right Tally?

I'm not 100% sure you are scum tally - I've said this from the outset, so please convince me otherwise (if you can)

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Unvote: Tally

As I have said, I am not 100% sure, but I will give her a chance to play and prove herself - but please bear in mind that I still strongly suspect of her being scum, and that I am asking for protection tonight.

The other scum, I would suggest, are in the lynch tally and not sure list. Thus, I will

Vote: Nanook

because he unvoted saying this:

Anyways, I can't remember at the moment who I was voting for and don't really have much time to go back, but I think it was Talitha. I'm just going to Unvote for now until I can get some more reading in. I don't mean to be slacking, but that's life.

Yes. It has been 8 pages, but not that much has really gone on, has it?

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I know Talitha's role... I think. And the question isn't valid - however, I don't believe she has any way of knowing what I am.

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Let me clarify...

I know what role I think she has... I think she is scum. However - I am prepared to let my info (which could be wrong) lay dormant for a while. Tally's play will decide whether she gets a revote.

As for Tally's role, I know what role she claims to have too... re-read her posts and you will know too. If what she suggests is true, then the unvote was the right move. If not, I can revote her...
However - I *DO* have information about her - and she and I both know that it won't be long before that can be validated. Either way, the ice she's skating on is thin...

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I've been watching 'my shadow' for some time. I think it is obvious lulu is scum, and she see's me (someone who is clearly innocent) and is closely trying to emulate me and my actions, because then she will appear as innocent as me.

Lulu - explain yourself please.

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Unvote: Nanook

I was all ready to jump on the PB bandwagon - and then Tally does something suspicious in my eyes... she votes Nanook because he votes PB and suggests that PB is 'lynch-bait'...

Tally - if PB is 'bait' (to use your term, and one which I have never heard either), it is his own fault. I have seen countless games, where people have suggested his posting style makes him look scummy. In every single game I have seen with PB, he has ended up having to defend his posting style. Does that make him scum? NO. But does it mean that Nanook is right to be suspicious? Yes, in my eyes, anyway.

I don't want to turn this into an analysis of PB's posting style - but jumping votes like he has, would suggest he is following the bandwagon with most steam to me. All-in-all, we need to end this day to get information.

As a result - I am going with what I know - there is a good chance Tally is scum (my information) and the vote of Nanook (jumping on PBs and my votes in the third position) suggest further scumminess to me - especially with the accusation that Nanook is using PB as 'bait'.
As I promised - I said I would unvote Tally and let her play and judge her by her actions -

Vote: Talitha

. Of course, this could change given Uraj's comments - but for now, I am happy

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B cannot be correct ralph... I am not saying if A is...

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That would be me...Fuldu.

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Nothing new to add... Tally is my main suspicion still

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Well post something then

Oh - and I don't see how revealing which type of information role I have would benefit the town. There are many types - as you all know - and I do still need protection.

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LOL - Scum coming out of the closet, maybe?

I have made a commitment Ralph - I have an information role - I can't go back on that now.

I do have information to suggest that Talitha is scum. I am not 100% sure of that information but Tally's play hasn't convinced me otherwise - and that is something I usually look for (even Tally can vouch for that - check other games, some still in progress).

Why did I choose Tally, because as an ally she would be easy to convince of my innocence if the information I had suggested she was innocent. Tally, again, can vouch that I play like this.

I may be wrong - and that means my information is incorrect. But at the moment this is the most direct way of me working out my source and it's validity. Tomorrow - I can promise you now I will not say: "I'm not a cop; I just I was voting based on her behavior." The most I can say is: "I was wrong because my information was."

And that I have been honest and upfront about all along.

Why should you trust me and VOTE TALLY? Because information on a 50/50 chance is better than a random lynch. The subsequent discussion has been good and we have lots of candidates for investigation tonight and such. I will also need protection tonight, of course.

Why should you not trust me and VOTE ME (or SOMEONE ELSE)? Because you don't believe me, or Tally has convinced you that she is not scum, or because you would rather vote someone else.


Here's a few questions I would like answered:

Tally - If I was...

a) A tracker - how would you counter my information against you?
b) A cop - how would you counter my information against you?
c) A gunsmith (or equivalent) - how would you counter my information against you?
d) Another type of information role ....

Ultimately I will

FOS: Ralphmerridew

because of his vote on me and his questioning of me and my motives, and the fact that Tally random voted him at the beginning of the game, which suggests a scum distancing vote to me...

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I still haven't changed what I've being saying all along Ralph - perhaps you have missed some posts. I committed myself a long time ago.

I still think you and Tally are likely to be scum together.

No - Im not answering the binary question.

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Who said anything about checking my sanity?

I think I have quite explicitly stated that I am checking my information.

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I don't 'keep' ignoring your answers...?!

I read them - I think they are bog-standard answers and they haven't convinced me to unvote.

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Who said I am a cop? I didn't...

Yes - I know what role you have claimed to have. I don't believe you. Just something in your style, Tally.

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Tally,
With regard to your style... I have never seen you get angry over something in the way you are in this game - even when wrongly accused. I would even go further and suggest that you are faking this anger to make me think your posting is 'emotional' - which is something I have indicated in another game as a good sign of someone's innocence (but of course, only when it is honest emotions being reflected).

I know you have seen me state this in the other game, and I would suggest that an honest defence would work better than your shrewd but seemingly faux emotional appeal you are making now.

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You claim to have info on Tally, so you can't be much else than a cop, or would you like to discredit any of the claims Tally made here?

No. I would not like to discredit any of her claims. However - I haven't changed my vote, have I?

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I have admitted all along that my information could be incorrect. It's not like I will rely on this defense tomorrow if Tally turns out to be innocent.

I knew what I was getting myself into, true, but following me when you KNOW that my information may be incorrect makes you as guilty as me because you know the risk involved. If I hadn't been honest and admitted that my information could be incorrect then you would have a valid case for voting me tomorrow if it all turns out wrong, however as it stands I see that anyone voting Tally based on the information I have has made the same decision I have and is as valid a target tomorrow SHOULD tally be innocent.

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I

have

stated that I would expect the chance to be 50/50.

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OK - I had this bizarre nightmare... I got everything wrong... or something.

No vote from me, not until I get myself a strong drink, at least.

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Exactly... and as far as I am concerned I made a mistake... I will admit that happily. However, I never 'led' the town for a second.

I presented as much information as possible and gave the town the oppurtunity to make their own mind up.

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Maybe I will - Maybe I won't. Lynch me when this dream is over and the next begins, and what is gained? Nothing.

What is lost? Two power roles.

Mistakes happen - I made one. Im sorry, but as you yourself just said, it was a better chance than a random lynch. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if my information proved correct.

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I am having ups and downs accessing things at the moment - series of blackouts. Hopefully won't last too long.

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Errr.... I've explained them.

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I didn't get a result last night - not sure why!

I am certainly only persecuted because I tried to do the right thing but in the wrong way it seems.

All due respect I was told I was going to be lynched today - so what does it matter? Everybody knew that the information I had could be taken as a 50/50 chance. Just because I decided to take a chance does not mean others should have - they had as much info as I at the time - and as a result they made their own choice to lynch tally.

You want scum - look at the others on the tally lynch - not me.

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Partly OMGUS - partly because you were blocked and we had no kill.

Vote: Nanook

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People, I messed up. Big Style too.

I am sorry - I was wrong, or rather, the information I had was. There was always a chance of that. I did tell you this. In all honesty would I have painted such a big target on myself if I thought Tally wouldn't be scum? Did I make anyone follow me? No and No.

I was wrong - I admit that. All I can ask is that you forgive me, unvote, and allow me to help you catch some scum. If Tally was alive I could convince her that I am not scum, and I do it the same way I would convince her. I ask you all to trust me. Seriously guys - trust me. Tally knows that I will only ever say that if the situation is dire and I am being honest.

Let's look at this logically, with no kill last night we are at the same position we are just after we incorrectly lynched Talitha. The best option for the town regardless of what you think I am is to no-lynch. The chance we will hit a pro-town player for the lynch is high and at least this way we won't do that. Looking at the voting so far, I am that pro-town player.

A no-lynch means we effectively go back in time - to yesterday - yes the scum have another kill shot, but then information gatherers and such have another chance to gather information. It's almost like it's a free night's worth of investigations for us - so lets use it.

Why didn't I get information last night? I should have - all I can think is that some scum might have blocked me (scum can have roles too). Why was I blocked? Well maybe I am a threat to them after all and they are hoping for a quick lynch of me today - because I can't give you information today.

Don't let the scum win - please unvote.

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I already explained Willows, hun. I would say it was a 50/50 chance... and that was better than any other option I had for the day.

I thought Tally was scum from the info I had - that info could have been wrong or misleading. But 50/50 chance was good enough for me and it WAS a better option than a random lynch which invariably goes wrong.

I won't quote the mod if that is what you were inferring, however I wouldnt say the mod decieved me in any way. The text was clear (as it always is).

Just for the record if I am lynched you will see I am not scum and that I was telling the truth. As a result I expect everyone to look very closely at Nanook and Willows - the people I am most suspicious off.

I am getting good at reading Willows. I picked her out directly in masonry mafia and I think she may well be scum here.

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So many posts - is that me lynched?

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Not that it matters now - but I do expect apologies from you all

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I got Tally = Guilty, my sanity was... questionable, it seems.

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I would look to the cross-section between those that voted me and those that voted for Talitha...

Tally = (MMCL, Fishbulb, Save The Dragons, Wacky, Flying Dutchman, NanookTheWolf)
MMCL = (Mgm, Save The Dragons, NanookTheWolf, Wacky, willows_weep, lulu muumuu, Fuldu, Flying Dutchman)

So my suspicions would be at the door of STD, Nanook, FD, Wacky and Willows Weep (because I think she is scum in particular).

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OK - I just got prodded... Im horribly confused and I didnt realise I was alive or something... where are we?