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This is going to be an interesting test for my brain, not only do I have to figure out who I'm suspicious of, I have to remember whether it's in the town or the village.
/confirm my village role
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This is ridiculous... do you want me to go through and count everyone's posts to prove I'm not lurking? Does MMCL calling me something over and over make it true?
It seems hypocritical to bandwagon me for supposedly lurking when Peacebringer suggests there are people yet to post (I havent checked myself but I believe it)
And if there's any other reason behind MMCL's strange behaviour towards me I suggest he backs off and reassesses it tomorrow.-
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Well I'm pretty sure it wasn't my posts (or lack of them) that gave you that idea... so I have to assume that you have received misleading information about me. I can only suggestagainthat you remember that everything is not always what it seems in a game of mafia, and wait until you have a better understanding of whatever information you are getting. What's to lose by waiting?
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unvote: ralphm, vote: lulu
In her post above she's basically stated all the possibilities about this situation, without giving any indication of which she thinks is the most likely scenario.
Assuming there is only one scum group, then they know I'm innocent. This is the kind of behaviour I'd expect. They won't want to push too hard for my lynch, but they'll want to leave the way open to help lynch me too.-
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Do me a favour and at least make MMCL tell us "WHY" before we bandwagon me. I'd really rather defend myself based on facts. Besides, he is very, very wrong about me, and this is a bad course of action for the town.
There's also the chance that he's scum and this is some sort of Lepton's gambit. Don't leave him the room to wriggle out of this once you find out I'm innocent.-
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MMCL, you KNOW I wouldn't use our friendship or manipulate you emotions to try and get some sort of advantage in this game... We discussed it after the newbie game, remember? Go and look at your chat logs (Or I'll get mine out). It's not how I play the game.MMCL wrote:Anyways... I played a newbie game with Talitha recently - in it I told her I was innocent and did everything I could to convince her. It was true - I was innocent. The advantage being that I knew she was innocent in that case because I was a doc and protected her the night before (when there was no night kill). Two confirmed innocents working together are a force to be reckoned with.
In that game, which PB was part of too, Tally pondered if I could be the sort of scum that would use 'emotional blackmail' in the form of our friendship, to convince her of my innocence.
Fact is I can't post as much, or put as much thought and effort into mafia games as I used to. I didn't want people judging me by saying I wasn't playing my usual style. You put me on the defensive by accusing me of lurking when it wasn't true.MMCL wrote: I believe that is what she tried in Post #2. No disrespect Tally (still love you mwah mwah)... You defended yourself in your post #2 saying you are a busy mum - and then proceed to go and show us 'how' the name lurky does not apply to you - a contradiction of sorts...
I'll say this: This bandwagon IS a waste of time and a bad idea. If you continue it, I'll just claim my role, and I WILL be believed.-
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Bah. You would've voted for me anyway. I think that's just a convenient excuse. You're almost as scummy as lulu is!Nanook wrote:I am going to Vote: Talitha though as she seems to be trying to throw the spotlight off herself here, and I wouldn't mind hearing what she has to say about her role that will make us unvote her to be quite honest.
I don't quite understand what you mean by this, could you rephrase?I guess any role claim that was town would probably be disregarded as a possiblility this early in the game.-
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Well of course it doesn't prove anything. I've seen lulu play in a few games now, and I don't think that she is acting like she usually does as town, in this game. Call it a womanly intuition about another woman if you like.Mgm wrote:What is that makes you think lulu is so scummy? The comment about being regarded scummy either way doesn't really prove anything. I myself have said similar things when town in other games.
And I don't necessarily want the spotlight off me.. just the votes.
And I don't appreciate Wacky saying that sufficient bandwagoning is inevitable. None of you should vote for me just because it's the current trend (unless you're scum of course and then I'd understand). You should only vote for me if you think I'm scum. If you don't, then put your vote on someone you DO think is scummy.-
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1. Shameless bandwagoning?? Excuse me?? Could you point out where I did that please.
2. Behaviour out of character?? I have probably been scum just as much as I've been town on this site. And so far, people haven't really been able to tell the difference between my behaviour as scum and my behaviour as town. Youknowthis very well because you've mentioned it to me yourself!! If there's a difference in my behaviour in this game it's because I've been accused and called a scum right from the word go.
3. MMCL being vague and weird. Bah, even IF he's a cop and he got a guilty on me, he still would have no information about his sanity. And IF he was a sane cop (which he isn't - but I guess he can't know that) it would STILL be bad play, because he'd be killed tonight. The mafia always have more information than the town and being vague like this just hurts the town.
If you're a conscientious townie you should make him speak before carrying this bandwagon on me any further.-
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MMCL, I very much doubt you'll be a target tonight seeing as you have pointed to anin fact, the last few posts of hers seem to be positively digging me for information on my role so she can give her scum-buddies a better target tonight.innocentwith supposed information. And I very much doubt that you'll get protection tonight, and rightly so.
I'm trying to protect my role because it's in the best interest of the town. I guess I have to leave it to the town to decide whether I claim or not.
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Isn't this overkill? You were our mod in South Park where Peacebringer was a townie. How is his voting style different in this game?? Have a look at Newbie 53 where Peacebringernanook (about peacebringer) wrote:my vote will remain on him until he is lynched or killed.wasscum... does he vote/unvote all the time there? Not that I can see. What's my point? Well, I think your reason for voting Peacebringer is pure crap, and possibly designed to divert attention from yourself, or someone else.
And why would you say that you won't change your vote until he's lynched or killed? I can't see how sentiments like that will help the town. If we're suspicious of PB we'll be able to test his claimed ability. (I know PB said the same thing in the post above, but he has better reason to, IMO.)
There's a term for players who are common vote/lynch targets because of their posting/playing style... "Lynch bait".
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Wow, 4 different votes on Day 1! Scandalous... Seriously, I'm just saying that your insistence that he is scum based on his voting in this game is really clutching at straws. I've just had a look at all his posts on the filtered list, and by pulling all the votes and unvotes out of context and posting them together you have made them look 10 times more wishy washy than they actually are.nanook (about newbie 53) wrote:All these votes are from Peacebringer on just Day 1
You even said yourself, that his style wasn't necessarily evidence of his role!:
Exactly. I'm not convinced that henanook wrote:who says that he couldn't be trying to use the same strategy just in a different role.isacting the same as Newbie 53.. but even if he is, it doesn't mean much.
The point isnanook wrote:I Fos: Talitha for trying to defend Peacebringer by saying that he didn't play the same as scum in Newb 53. What did you think I wouldn't check?youshould've checked stuff like that before stating that under no circumstances would you change your vote.
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After much thought I've decided that under no circumstances will I claim. So if you're voting for me, consider it a vote to lynch. (Make of that what you will, especially you, MMCL).
I don't know that PB isn't scum. I suspect he's not scum, (and it appears that I'm probably right). I knowSTD wrote:I will Fos: Talitha for that statement; how do you know the "lynch bait" aren't scum?for a factthat he's lynch bait*
And I still don't think that Nanook's suspicion of PB is genuine. I could be wrong, but that's my position.
(*It's not really relevant whether you've heard of the term "lynch bait" or not. It's possible that Yaw and I made it up when chatting. But you all should recognise the style of play that it describes.)-
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- We don't know PB is innocent (although he's looking pretty good). We know that Uraj has confirmed being blocked. This could mean that PB is a pro-town role blocker. But it could also mean that PB is an anti-town roleblocker, or that Uraj lied.
- If you want to see the clever kind of play that Nanook is capable of as scum, check out Newbie 41 (that I modded). See if you can spot the lynch-bait and how Nanook used it to his advantage in that game.-
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Silgado: When I'm innocent I try to protect others who I think are innocent, and attack those who I think are scum. I said he's looking pretty good because he claimed a testable role and had his claim confirmed by another player.
Your whole post is strange.. you start with the assumption that I'm scum and then use your conclusion to say that my behaviour was scummy. (Rather than looking objectively at what I did). I'm going to have to throw out aFOS: Silgadoin your direction.
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STD: I can see your point. Generally I wouldn't vote for a player for doing what Nanook did. I voted for him because I know him a little, and I've seen him play before, and I suspect he is scum.-
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Could you make this a bit clearer please? I don't quite understand what you're getting at.Wacky wrote:It really bugs me that she seems to have a very good idea about what she's doing.
Silgado: It's fine that you're skeptical about me, but I would expect a pro-town player to be trying to be objective, not one-eyed. And the fact that you're FOSing me but not voting for me, just makes me wonder what's up with you...-
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Well let's look at what there is against me.
- MMCL says he has information that points to me being scum
- I got all defensive after he called me lurky-tally-scum over and over
- I attacked Nanook because I suspected his motives for going after Peacebringer
- I said Peacebringer looked pretty good (trying to make an ally?)
Have I forgotten anything? Because I'm sure you could put all that together and form a decent sounding reason to vote for me. That's if you really believe that any or all of those points have any merit. The fact that you're waiting around for some "solid signs" of my scumminess makes me think that you know I'm innocent, and don't want to have to answer for it tomorrow.
And your FOS appears to be intended to encourage others to vote for me, while not getting your hands dirty yourself.
I think I'd be voting for you by now if I didn't have my vote on another worthy candidate.
(BTW - I think the only good point against me is the first one - but that is negated by the fact that if you wait until tomorrow, MMCL will realise that he's insane.)-
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I don't have anything to add to my defence right now... But I'm here if anyone has any questions about why I think you shouldn't lynch me today.
On the other hand, I'd really encourage people to use their votes. It really frustrates me when people can't be bothered even voting. - I'd prefer you lynch me rather than no lynch. Of course I'd much prefer you lynch Nanook (and I'd switch back to lulu in a heartbeat, if others were that way inclined).-
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I've been thinking and I've decided to risk looking scummy and say that I think you should get more info out of MMCL...
There is a chance he could be scum, getting an innocent lynched, and leaving himself open to design his roleclaim tomorrow, after I'm dead and gone and can't do anything about it. (Although, assuming I survive the Village night, I'll still be able to tell you to lynch his ass if I get any inklings that he's doing this because he's scum.)
It's irresponsible of you all to lynch me based on such a fuzzy claim. And nothing else against me.
I know for a fact that there will be a few "Please Explain" posts directed at MMCL tomorrow (if you lynch me), so why not just do it now.... make sure you have enough reason to lynch someone who has claimed to have a useful pro-town role.-
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I should add that if I were guilty (which I'm not) then the scum wouldalready knowthat MMCL was a useful cop. Therefore they would have more information about MMCL than the town does, which is not a good thing.
So whichever way you look at it, make him speak.
And MMCL if you think you're helping the town by playing this way, you're wrong.-
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Fuldu wrote:Besides, Talitha's second argument is crap logic. Sure, the scum know more about MMCL right now under those circumstances. But, if Talitha is scum and we lynch her (which seems like what we're going to do), then we know pretty much what they do about MMCL.If Talitha isn't scum and we lynch her, then either MMCL is scum or we know pretty much what they do about him.(Bolding mine)That's the point I'm trying to make right there... if you lynch me without making MMCL explainnow, then you won't know what to do with him tomorrow, will you? Make him talk now and you'll be better set up for tomorrow.
Imagine for a second, that you are an innocent, with a useful role, who has been semi-fingered by someone who fuzzily says that they have information about you. How would you have acted? Much different to how I have acted? I doubt it.KingEnigma wrote:As for Talitha, the arguement that your using for defense does sound like you have been cornered and are trying to take out as many as you can.
Anyway it doesn't seem like I'm going to turn the tide of this... I don't know really what I could've done differently, which is very frustrating. So yeah, at least do me the courtesy of lynching me, rather than letting the deadline do it.
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a) If you were a tracker you would know that the person I visited last night is still aliveMMCL wrote:Tally - If I was...
a) A tracker - how would you counter my information against you?
b) A cop - how would you counter my information against you?
c) A gunsmith (or equivalent) - how would you counter my information against you?
d) Another type of information role ....
b) If you're a cop (which is my guess), then you're paranoid or insane.
c) If you're a gunsmith then you'd know I don't have a gun
d) I can't think of any other role that would make you think I'm guilty.
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bog-standard? What more do you want from me???
For everyone's information - I have already communicated my role to MMCL, and he acknowledged that he knows what role I am claiming. And he STILL doesn't see fit to give me any kind of a chance.
I've changed my mind and I think you should lynch him tomorrow, when you see I'm on the level. At the very least it will teach him not to do this bullshit again. (Yes, I am annoyed.)
See Improbable Role mafia for mith and Antrax's opinions on what you should do when a 'cop' gets an innocent lynched - lynch them the next day as a meta-game strategy.-
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AN HONEST DEFENSE??? TO WHAT???????
I can't do ANYTHING about what goes on in YOUR brain MMCL.
Thinking I'm scum is one thing... getting everyone else to follow you because you say you have information is quite another.
My dying wish is that you lynch MMCL tomorrow (town).
As for me getting angry/upset. I think it only ever happened once before. My very first game, I was pro-town, I was the doctor, I was lynched Day 1. At least I deserved it in that game.-
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I looked up the old game so I could quote it:
Antrax (Improbable Role) wrote:Um, hello? Guys?
Guy claims cop. Guy lynches innocent. Guy gets lynched. This is a no-brainer. vote: mithAntrax wrote:Fact is, I've declared long ago that whenever a cop is wrong, I will lynch him. The idea is to prevent successful Lepton gambits, which might wreck havoc upon an entire town.DP (same game) wrote:I sympathise with Antrax' way of smothering Lepton gambits.Antrax again wrote:A cop should take resposibility on his actions. If he has reason to believe his results might be wrong, he should shut up until he can be more sure of how good he is. Anyone not going by this, is risking his own life. Cruel, but effective.JEEP wrote:
*cough* Wow, I got so wrapped up with thinking he was insane, that I totally missed this.Antrax wrote: Um, hello? Guys?
Guy claims cop. Guy lynches innocent. Guy gets lynched. This is a no-brainer. vote: mith
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Were we getting something out of not voting?? I can understand reluctance to vote when you don't have a good reason... but the only way you get good reasons is to stimulate the game (by voting etc.)silgado wrote:Ok, we are not really getting anything out of this voting back and forth, so I'm not voting either...-
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