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Right
Hi again to Otter, NC, roster, orfhz, Alch, ED, pisskop, RedFlavor, Saudade, and Creature
Nice to meet the rest of you.

I'm a simple person- I see a wagon with a self vote, I hop on wagon with a self vote
VOTE: pisskop

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I'm using both shots tonight

Just promise to crumb (or explicitly state) who you're targetting tonight for the record and you can be townbinned for D1

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Eh. VOTE: Vorkuta

Scummier.

This is going to be a fun game

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We all know he's an imposter

please 1v1 jesus so we know who to

worship

lynch

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Just admit you're scum and make it easier on everyone

What do I do if I wasn't given a scum!PM though?

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Im mason

*inhales*

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Find scum d1 vorkuta

on it papa mason

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for satan emoji.

please 1v1 jesus so we know who to

worship

lynch

Caught scum cherrypicking VOTE: redflav

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It's time for a scum Creature.
VOTE: Creature

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Maybe I'm being a bit defensive about it. I don't like feeling that I'm being misrepresented but I'm coming around to the idea that it was unintentional from Nero's part

GUHHH

town

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Montosh's posts are painful to read and I disagree with 80% of them

the remaining 20% are fluff

but he can go in my town-lean and I can forget about him for D1 please and thank you

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WIFOM reasons aside, these 2 are the players garnering the largest amount of suspicion (after NC lel) D1

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I want to say 1 scum hasn't even posted yet

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Like come on you guys- am I seriously getting flack for an RVS vote?

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Right
Montosh probably has a naturally scummy playstyle for which I'm willing to give him a bit of leeway- not my pref. D1.

@LUV
My Creature vote is because
-Creature is due to roll scum against me some time soon
-I rely quite a bit on others telling me that "this is a scum!creature post" because apparently he's obvious as either alignment. Hopefully with pressure he obv!somethings and we can move on.
-Look at his ISO and tell me you don't want to roll your eyes at him

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He plays scum very seriously when it's time to be serious and not seriously whenever the opportunity to troll
or
"8/10, best scum teammate (out of 3) I've ever had"
-Vork

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I mean.....
A single town post in a pile of scum posts.... meh

Like I'm not deluded enough to think that the creature wagon will go through today, but based on my several games with town creature, this is the one where he looks the worst.

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wtf I haven't obv!towned myself in the first 20 pages?
I must be slipping

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who wants to sell me town on one of those 7?

I would like to sell you on slot #6

/s

NC is town this game- he saw BS, he called out BS, he hyper-tunneled BS.

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I'm a simple person- I see a wagon with a self vote, I hop on wagon with a self vote

guhhhhh really?
Self-voting now is the same as scum-claiming....
Pisskop can you just not undo all of the towny progress you were making?

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Personal Self Vote outside of RVS statistics
Town - 1 (mbaki autumn farewell)
Scum - (more than 1)

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Why do we lack any leadership?

Feel free to take over

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VOTE: hws

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*scribble furiously while taking notes*

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Wait hold up guys

Why are we scumreading the guy with only 4 posts
when we could be scumreading creature instead?

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renaming content with many different buzzwords

This is just.... no

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VOTE: Creature

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This is going to be fun

Also scum!vork doesn't go for easy and low hanging fruit on D1.
It's too easy and compromises the rest of the game.

Like please- you're claiming that I'm scum yet you fail to see how suboptimal any of this is for scum!vork

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Your initial reasoning for my scum read was bad, and everything else has just been conf!bias all the way down, so I have no idea what to say to you

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prodging because IRL stuff- will catch up later

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also, what a coincidence! i ended up rolling mafia in my first mafia game!

I'm a simple person- I see a mafia claim, I vote a mafia claim VOTE: Niko

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Quick skim catchup impressions

Spoiler:

LuckyOtter

Nero Cain

rosterfoster

ofrhz

Alchemist21

Eyes without a face

pisskop

BodhiSmith13DeasVail
HeWhoSwims
Niko

RedFlavor

Lil Uzi Vert
Kublai Khan
Creature
Montosh
Jesus Louisus

Kirari Momobami

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pretty much all caught up now
Still hate creature's ISO

I love the votes on me- they're just so bad

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He is kind of doing this thing of trying to be more ~casual~ than...you know, playing the game and sorting people.

*inhales*


Cool

Hey- I've seen scum claimers scum claim before and no manga images can change that.
Niko is a solid lynch today

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For fuck's sake..

VOTE: Niko

Niko is the lynch today.

But nooooooo when I do it, it's scum!vork

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I actually don’t see scum making the posts Niko’s been making

New winning scum tactic discovered- I can't wait to try it out later

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Oh you think he's an honest townie??

There are like 10 other explanations
-he's trolling
-he's VT baiting out a shot via reverse psychology
-he's an actual "useful" PR trying to not get shot
-he's BP and wants to conf!town himself by getting shot and living through it
....
....
-he's scum

I like the last one the most

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*checks which game I'm in*

nah I'm good

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Because you're bringing up mod meta for whatever reason
NK's Mini 2058 (13 players, 3.5 scum)

Spoiler:

-Mafia Informed
-Mafia Encryptor
-Mafia Encryptor
-Macho Neighbor Traitor

vs

-Informed Macho IC
-Informed N3+ Vig

(triggered)

-*inhales* Town Disloyal Informed Macho Neighbor Ninja Night 1-2 Babysitter
-Neighbor x3
-Neighbor N1 Cop
-VT x2

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feel like this is a slightly above average level of nuance for scum

I feel honored

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We're just going to buy niko's redirect?

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I think it's creature again, because he is heavily and easily meta-read and no-one has said "this is a town creature"
that's it

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Vork:

46 Don't like this. Gut thing. Based on nothing rational.

oh man you go me

/s

233 Never been able to read Creature. Didn't pretend to be able to this game. And yeah he was scum. But I still ask why this?

yes

235 I happen to like my posting style thank you very much.

cheers mate

406 Like I don't get this. Who are you relying on to tell you that Creature is scum precisely? Can't read Creature for shit but none of this explains where the read came from.

it's not so much as a person, but a feeling of consensus and unanimity in "this sounds like creature being scummy".
Like I've seen waaaaaay to many jokes/references/memes about his alignment being telegraphed based on his lurkiness/postiness/catchup frequency and overall "this is a scum creature post".
I guess I was praying for a magic bullet or a person who's has 10~20 games with creature and could confidently read him (as was the case in quite a few of my other games with him), but no one in particular

546 Do you tend to do a lot of vote-switching Day 1?

sure why not. as both alignments. tbh, this is comparatively very little vote flipping compared to my usual town games

585 I'd forgotten how hard you went after Creatre the last Day. I don't see scum doing that at this point in any circumstance. There wasn't enough previous pressure to justify it. I do think you're wrong here but there's very little way that you are scum.

so... "too dumb to be scum".... I like it, especially when it was applied to me

835 I'd imagine more scum were on the Niko wagon than not. What do you think about how many were voting Niko?

I saw a scum claim, I turn my brain off and vote the scum claim. It's worked a few times before and that was good enough for me. Plus it was also semi-policy and I wanted to see what the wagon would do/accomplish as well.

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I will stop quotewalling if you vote creature

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I'm not someone who puts their votes where their hearts lie

For instance in this case: I want to assess the feasibility and likelyhood of a teacher wagon actually working, and see who might want to initiate on top of me.
Or, in essence, who wants to take credit for cofounding/costarting the revival of his wagon/push with me.

Also I'd love it if I could L-1 or hammer him.

btw- amazing eyes post ^ that further illustrates the need for a creature wagon- pressure him

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oh I thought everyone was playing along

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yes
why haven't you started the creature wagon with me

ok fine

It's to mock some people for bring it up this far in and use it as a scum!vork case.

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Like Kublai has it out for me and I'd love to know why

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Vork I didn’t think you did sarcasm <3

I’m proud of you

I was out of ideas as to how I could possibly respond to Kublai's nonsense in any other way
also <3 to you too

I'm not all anti-fun

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Reading through Vorkuta and Jesus again, I still stand by this.

I think I should vote creature again.....
like....

*sighs*

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I think I should hammer redflavor

Spoiler:

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Scum: Vorkuta, Otter

I'm conf!town by no so no

VOTE: DeasVail
OMGUS

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Oh man what would happen if I were to hammer without doing ANYTHING at all this day?
That would suck wouldn't it?

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I think {Vork, nom} springs to mind as a readily apparent traitor pool though

zzzzzz

I'm semi-confused as to what Kublai didn't shoot me earlier on but wtv.
As traitor I crumb and try to reach out to homebase (C9++)

I'm pretty damn sure I haven't done anything resembling that in this game.

I can get behind oVOTE: luckyotter though

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Yeah sorry about that- I'm perpetually catching up

2 cents- traitors get the factional kill ability if core!scum get wiped out depending on the ruleset

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Idk I bought Kirai's opening post gambit and have been viewing that slot through rose-tinted glasses ever since, so anything coming from them seems reasonable

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Alch thought I was town

Invoking the opinion of a dead VT
Spoken like true town

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Does anyone have meta with Vorkuta where he showed signs of extreme cleverness/deviousness?

*blushes*

Hi again to Otter, NC, roster, orfhz, Alch, ED, pisskop, RedFlavor, Saudade, and Creature

have seen me at my worst

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in a recent scum game

That was ongoing
No but I've never rolled against scumthing_smart
I've also never rolled against scum creature before.

Also if we're allowing stuff from ETICN in here then: I'd totally submit everyone's night actions in the scum!PT and wait for others to fix/clarify/overwrite them
I know the mod said something about him not allowing/accepting/approving that but meh

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C9++ is a traitor game of mine- way more activity and signaling & crumbing to home base.
Wait this makes my creature interaction look slightly bad now but eeh

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I can claim if you guys genuinely think that we have enough to end the game today and need just one more piece of the puzzle or whatever.
I don't think we're there yet, but I got prodded trying to catch up with the gamestate so

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I can get behind oVOTE: luckyotter though

or do you want me to say stuff about DV?

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Otter left in a really uh... "bad mood" according to his last posts.
Maybe he wont even show up

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Again I think post count is a bad metric, but yeah I've been less engaged here. I think if I had rolled anything other than VT I'd have taken this more seriously. I've tried to engage when I can in small bursts. I've tried to make it at least somewhat meaningful, then I get people like you saying well gee he just doesn't have that many posts. So then it's like why bother. Maybe I'll just make a NM-style alt next time I play.

Are you me?

not claiming anything in here lel

I can genuinely sympathize with this enough to go nom x3

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Vork traitor might make sense. His play's been different here and he's drawn attention to it. He might actually think I'm scum right here and is trying to signal me/move the wagon elsewhere.

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but the traitor still needs to signal their status to the groupscum

Where was I allegedly doing this?

And once again

C9++ is a traitor game of mine- way more activity and signaling & crumbing to home base.

As traitor I crumb and try to reach out to homebase (C9++)

I'm pretty damn sure I haven't done anything resembling that in this game.

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In post 408, Vorkuta wrote:
He plays scum very seriously when it's time to be serious and not seriously whenever the opportunity to troll
or
"8/10, best scum teammate (out of 3) I've ever had"
-Vork

Probably broke quotes but whatever

This was @Alchemist
I've never played with scum!creature before.

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Let's CFD VOTE: nom x3

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You're going to blanket vote without any explanation with one day left on the clock?

Idk I liked the past few pages
But fair enough

VOTE: otter
Tbh I have a nagging feeling that this flips green butg wtv

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Dammit let me check my games

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Claim

Spoiler:

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Inb4 someone tells me to listen to Queen instead

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That's rude
I have internet so obviously

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I've skimmed over yesterday again but would it be fair to conf!town otter based on his behavior yesterday?
Or are we going to keep tinfoiling scum theater?

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Who gave Kirari full control of the game state and why are we being coralled?

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I have nothing more than surface-level analysis of either slot and DV > Gollum

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KK, LO, and Vork want to snapshot your thoughts on Nero vs Vork for the scenario where the game is still going tomorrow?

Yes- he has more scum points

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I am, but that means I'll have to do the legwork of justifying my fears so.....

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VOTE: LuckyOtter

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DV > LO > NC > orfhz
Kirai somewhere in the middle (NC tier I guess)

I read how LO got run up yesterday and I thought it was going to flip red so *shrugs*

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Also *inhales*
The game where nom and I were scum together against NC and co. just finished

Nom hard defending me even when they were one of the likely alternatives makes it pretty clear they were playing the long game

Yes- you could be the home-base

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You dare summon me?

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Yeah I read #2956 and it doesn't exactly have things to say for me to respond to tbh

I read how LO got run up yesterday and I thought it was going to flip red so *shrugs*

Um... ?

You're going to blanket vote without any explanation with one day left on the clock?

Idk I liked the past few pages
But fair enough

VOTE: otter
Tbh I have a nagging feeling that this flips green butg wtv

I then changed my mind in a bit.
I'm sorry for not explicitly telling people that my read on him has slightly changed.

-LO got (past tense) townie points for playing the frustrated/dissapointed villager card to get out of the lynch yesterday, but then upon seeing how the new wagon formed I was like

-I'm trying out a new playstyle as in my other games you have the "active people" and the "not so active people".
Anyone that has played literally any other game with me before knows that I easily make it in the top.... 4(?) posters by activity/post count/content and all that stuff.
HOWEVER it's always the case that someone who actively lurks/has less content/is more disengaged ends up like... having an easier time than I do. So I decided that because due to

travels

(IRL stuff) I got behind on my mandatory reading, I might as well try to see what it's like """not caring"""

-sure why not
I suppose it'll be fun to make it to Lylo and have switch gears, but I'm looking forward to a nice and relaxing win with this solve

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Do I get townie points for hammering?

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Oh no the deadline of today is before the 'scum can redact comments' grace period

Anyone who's seen me play or wants to click on any random game of mine (non-newbie preferably but it holds even there) knows that this isn't my scum game at all. Period. End of story.
Feel free to do so