Mini 612 Akatsuki: The End

[Tom]

Hello everyone. I replaced GhostWriter, and I am a townie. I find myself in a sticky situation because I have been told upon replacement that I have the kill and that the kill-time is almost up – I only have one or two posts before I lose it. This means that if I do not use the kill then I will lose it, it will go to a random person, and the kill will then be concealed.

This would be bad. A stealth kill would give the town less information than an open kill. The only benefit I see to a stealth kill would be that, if the town-aligned killer is wrong, he would not be persecuted against because of my mistake. But someone else may be assumed to have made the kill, and they may be persecuted in his stead. That would most likely not be in the favor of the town.

The only reasons that I debate letting the kill slip into stealth mode, and go to a random person, are two reasons. Reason number one is that it could go to a townie whose partner is still alive. I am at a disadvantage here because I was in a masonry with one of the confirmed townies that is now dead. I am assuming, because everyone in Akatsuki in Naruto has a partner, that I am not the only one in a masonry. The kill going to a townie with a partner could be an advantage because that person would have one less confirmed suspect than I do, but I am not going to take the chance that the kill goes to the scum. The second reason for letting the kill slip into stealth mode would be that if I make a mistake and attack the wrong person, I could easily be attacked back like Pain was attacked back for killing someone. If I end up killing a townie (Akatsuki loyalist), and then I am killed (Akatsuki loyalist), then the game will most likely end in a loss.

Weighing the options, however, I decided to take the kill. This is because a stealth kill could fall into the hands of an Akatsuki rebel (scum) and then we would have another death of a townie. We would also not have the same amount of information as we will if an open kill is attempted.

The three main people I thought about killing are MoS, Battousai, and SSK. There are multiple reasons for this, but I have chosen SSK.

SSK: There have been many lurkers in this game, SSK included, but he is the anomaly. He initially stated multiple times that he was paying attention and that he was going to post his comments and cases soon. But then after he did not post those comments and was called out for it by Battousai, he stated that he has no comments to make. I believe that everyone in the game has opinions or comments that could be made – especially if everyone is in a masonry like I was with one of the now dead. SSK’s playstyle has been purposefully lurky, but he still comes in and comments, which I find very peculiar. He is under fire right now, and I believe from the moment I type this, he has the most votes.

My main fear right now is to let the kill slip into stealthy scum hands. So I am going to,

Vote: MafiaSSK

Ass: MafiaSSK

ATTACK: MafiaSSK

Quite a ninja-esque entrance, huh?

[Tom]

I'd like Tom to explain why myself and Battousai were he next choices for assassination after MafiaSSK.

I absolutely will. I'm doing my third read through right now with the new information -- MafiaSSK as scum -- and I will post all of my opinions, claims, arguments, and accusations sometime tonight or afternoon tomorrow (in real life, ;p).

[Tom]

This post is a bit unruly, but nonetheless is my analysis for the moment.

Problems

1) A vote or accusation against Battousai due to his questioning of the game mechanics or setup is not legitimate.
2) L needs to immediately explain why he asked the type of questions in #222 if he is an experienced alt (The Jester).
3) MafiaSSK was incredibly inactive, and voting for him is an obvious pro-town move and therefore carries little pro-town weight.
4) Is there 1 scum left or 2?

The worst thing about my killing of MafiaSSK is that due to his incredible level of inactivity, voting for him was an obvious pro-town move. Therefore, that move carries little pro-town weight in my opinion. Also, he did not have many, if any, established connections with anyone. Although it was a success, we did not learn too much from it. (Unless someone can point something out!)

Battousai was originally on my scumdar because a lot of the town was on his back, mostly because of the setup questions, but I know believe that those questions are illegitimate and that Battousai is pro-town.

Ninja (Order =/= Scumdar)

n) Claus
n) Battousai
n) Mastermind of Sin (now MoS)
n) Megatron
n) L
n) andersonw

n) Claus.
Claus was a very interesting read from the get-go, because he is currently an obvious neutral. His goal was to kill three people, and that's what he did, and though some of his posts were obvious manipulations of the group to increase his chances of success, he seems to be playing sort of pro-town. Or at least he is trying to be. @Claus: I would really like to hear who you think is the scum. I know you're busy, but please get back to me on this. =)

n) Battousai.
First off, let me remind you, a vote or accusation against Battousai due to his questioning of the game mechanics or setup is not legitimate. Those now alive who had the hardest time not jumping all over Battousai for this are MoS, Megatron, and L. He simply was open to interpretation of the phrase "the Akatsuki, the followers, and the rebels." The followers could be assumed as either an appositive for Akatsuki or a separate entity from it, because the grammar is confusing. The Akatsuki could involve both the followers and the rebels, or it could involve the followers, or it could involve neither. The truth is that we are all Akatsuki, and that the usual "town" are the followers, the "mafia" are the rebels, and there seems to be at least one independent in Claus. Battousai suffered from a lot of harangue from the town because of this, but after all of my read throughs, he does not seem scummy because of this confusion at all. In fact, anyone who legitimately still believes that Battousai is scum should ask themselves why, and if it is because of this setup argument, then you should reasses the situation. I see that both Megatron and MoS have admitted to currently understanding the misinterpretation, though MoS seemed very determined to make Battousai suffer for it (#172, one liner accusation).

n) MoS.
Was not very active for a while, and was extremely vehement against Battousai concerning the setup discussion. Post #172 by MoS seems to be especially dumb. I know that by "slip" MoS means Battousai's misunderstanding or inquiry into the setup, but MoS implied that Battousai was a third party or a scum party because of this slip. I see a very shallow correlation. Starting around #174, MoS had a scuffle with SleepyPanda (now SP) over Claus's kill of Ashmite, defending Claus's actions. That is neither respectable nor deplorable in my view, because although Ashmite flipped town and its sad that he died, what Claus did was arguably necessary to establish order. In post #206, MoS voted and assassination-voted Battousai STILL about set-up problems, only to unvote and unassassination-vote after hearing the explanation. Overall sort of scummy in my opinion.

n) Megatron.
It is hard to get a good read on Megatron. Although he was one of those harrassing Battousai for the setup discussion, he also thought Claus was a townie -- meaning that he bought that Claus killed Pain to keep the law. Also, Megatron pushed to see SSK's "information" that would lead me to want to kill SSK pretty badly.

n) L.
Right now, you really need to answer andersonw's question about your weird, almost game-breaking questions. =/ After inactivity, in post #121 you voted Farside for the same reasons everyone else was. in #165, acknowledged that there is really no use for the lynch besides if we have a consensus on a kill and the kill hasn't gone off, but also questions Battousai about the setup discussion. Defended Claus's second kill in #181, asks the weird questions in #222, and thinks Megatron is loyalist in #226.

n) andersonw.
In #125, defends farside against the mob forming, though he acknowledged that he expected his defense of farside to do nothing. I don't know if that is pro-town or anti-town. In #166 he was anti Claus (understandably, Claus is an indy) but wishy washy on Battousai. In 232 he was pro Battousai, anti SSK's lurking without info, and pro Claus lynch until he understands the validity in Claus's roleclaim.

Thats where I am on everyone right now.

My scumdar would be

1. MoS
2-4. andersonw, Megatron, L
5. Battousai
6-7. Claus, Tom

2-4 and 6-7 on the same level mean that they are very close to each other for different reasons.

Also, fairly important question here, is there 1 scum left or 2? I don't have a clue.

[Tom]

You quoted the rule in post #66, which states:

New Rule

:

If a week goes by with the daykill in the Akatsuki loyalists' possession, without being used or taken by the rebel faction, the kills will become undisclosed. That means you will PM to me your target and no one will ever know it was you who got away with murder.

(mod edit: I forgot that not everyone will kill at the first chance like me)

but LATER, in post #70, SleepyPanda clarifies:

So the loyalists are the pro town and the rebel are the scum. So this means scum will have to use the killing power during the meeting? If so, then that means we should lynch anyone who kills during the meeting.

Nono, I think what he's saying is if the Akatsuki does not use the assassination skill, then it will become silent. Like right now, to use it, we have to announce it inside the thread. However, if we don't use it, ANYONE is able to PM the mod the command instead, so we wouldn't know who used the command.

You are correct! -Mod

And ABR answered "correct." SleepyPanda said that if nobody uses the kill for 7 days, then ANYONE (notice the caps?) is able to PM the mod the command instead, so we wouldn't know who used the command. This means that all the scum would have to do is use it before I did and I would LOSE IT TO THEM.

Also, in post #112, ABR clarifies again in my favor:

No. In 2 days, if the kill is not used, it will become hidden if the conditions set in the new rule are met. Anyone will be able to kill with impunity.

Notice that last part. ANYONE would be able to kill with impunity. And after one kill, that period ends and a new kill is issued. So I would lose it. So no, I'm not a liar.

Please unvote me for assassination.

[Tom]

Also, I sincerely hope that you read my entire post(s) and thought about them instead of just trying to find somewhere where I'm a "liar" by technicality... even though technically you're the liar for calling me a liar. =/

[Tom]

Okay, Claus, I now see how Battousai's actions are scummy -- its not necessarily that he was debating the setup and said something that was scummy, but that he was only "active" in that he was discussing the setup and defending himself from accusations about the setup. So the next step is just to wait until Battousai gives us a list of scum accusations or whatnot. =/

Megatron, I understand where you made the mistake. Oh wells.

n) Battousai.
First off, let me remind you, a vote or accusation against Battousai due to his questioning of the game mechanics or setup is not legitimate. Those now alive who had the hardest time not jumping all over Battousai for this are MoS, Megatron, and L. He simply was open to interpretation of the phrase "the Akatsuki, the followers, and the rebels." The followers could be assumed as either an appositive for Akatsuki or a separate entity from it, because the grammar is confusing. The Akatsuki could involve both the followers and the rebels, or it could involve the followers, or it could involve neither. The truth is that we are all Akatsuki, and that the usual "town" are the followers, the "mafia" are the rebels, and there seems to be at least one independent in Claus. Battousai suffered from a lot of harangue from the town because of this, but after all of my read throughs, he does not seem scummy because of this confusion at all. In fact, anyone who legitimately still believes that Battousai is scum should ask themselves why, and if it is because of this setup argument, then you should reasses the situation. I see that both Megatron and MoS have admitted to currently understanding the misinterpretation, though MoS seemed very determined to make Battousai suffer for it (#172, one liner accusation).

This is a misleading post. You're saying that I seemed "very determined", and you're quoting the very first post of my attack on Battousai. Your turn of phrase makes it sound like post 172 was part of a continuing attack on him, like he had posted some sort of defense and I'd stubbornly ignored it. That post was the first thing I'd said about suspecting Battousai, so I can hardly see how you can interpret it as you have.

Well, you're right in that post 172 was your one liner accusation that started it, but your description of a continuing attack is sort of true. You had multiple posts arguing with Battousai about it, not just one.

n) MoS.
Was not very active for a while, and was extremely vehement against Battousai concerning the setup discussion. Post #172 by MoS seems to be especially dumb. I know that by "slip" MoS means Battousai's misunderstanding or inquiry into the setup, but MoS implied that Battousai was a third party or a scum party because of this slip. I see a very shallow correlation.

I fail to see what is "dumb" about 172, when I didn't even say anything in that post. I voted him and hadn't fully explained the vote yet, but you call it dumb. That makes no sense whatsoever. By "slip" I meant that I felt he had slipped up, that he had revealed himself as not protown. I feel like it was very obvious to those of us that are protown that the Akatsuki is the town, and the rebels are the scum. For him to ask that question implied to me that he did not have this information, which would make him scum or some third party.

The fact that you didn't say anything in the post was exactly what I found dumb... you seemed to be jumping on him for a reason that, through my readthroughs, I found illegitimate. But I understand what you mean

Starting around #174, MoS had a scuffle with SleepyPanda (now SP) over Claus's kill of Ashmite, defending Claus's actions. That is neither respectable nor deplorable in my view, because although Ashmite flipped town and its sad that he died, what Claus did was arguably necessary to establish order. In post #206, MoS voted and assassination-voted Battousai STILL about set-up problems, only to unvote and unassassination-vote after hearing the explanation. Overall sort of scummy in my opinion.

I voted Battousai "STILL"???? What are you trying to pull? He hadn't adequately explained the situation yet, so OF COURSE I'm going to vote him. "only to unvote after hearing the explanation."???? What the hell does that mean? Are you saying that it was unreasonable or scummy of me to unvote once Battousai defended himself appropriately?

Battousai had asked you what you meant by "slip," and you didn't respond. Just as he hadn't adequately explained his misunderstanding of the setup, you hadn't adequately explained what his "slip" was. =/ And I'm not saying that it was unreasonable or scummy of you to unvote him, I'm saying that it was the appropriate action.

[Tom]

Wait, Battousai, what was your reasoning for attacking Megatron? I don't quite understand. I know Claus' reasoning for suspecting him and I know mine, but you didn't state yours. It probably would have been better to do before you attacked him, because you are not in a very flattering position with the town. You even said it yourself that it was probably a bad action for the town... so why did you do it? =/

[Tom]

Battousai is either Madara (Tobi) or Itachi =/ I'm not sure what that means, if anything, for his allegiance, I'm just putting the information out there.

[Tom]

Actually, Tobi is dead, he was MafiaSSK. So that means Battousai has to be Itachi Sasuke. They are the only two who should have the mangekyou eye technique in this game, because the third would be Kakashi Hatake and he is NOT in Akatsuki.

[Tom]

god damn it so many mistakes

EBWOP: not itachi sasuke, he is Itachi Uchiha. stupid names.

[Tom]

Itachi could go either way with the flavor. He could be a loyalist because he is Kisame's partner and that he always wanted to kill Tobi, the now confirmed leader of the rebels. Or he could be a rebel because he was always a follower of the Konoha village -- he was a mole for the elders of Konoha while in Akatsuki, am I correct?

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Was anyone else in a two man mason group besides me? I immediately assumed that every two man pair in the show was in a mason group except for the 2 scum. But then Claus' independence from the town would mean there would be another person not in a group... I was in a mason group with one of the now dead people, but they were never able to capitalize on it because of GW's inactivity it seems. =/

[Tom]

Claus, you continue to surprise me by always having the kill. What is up with that? I mean I know that there is a 2/7 chance that you either get it or take it from a random person, but this is getting ridiculous.

[Tom]

Or your role lets you know who has the kill EVERY TIME!

>:O

[Tom]

welcome back Battousai =/

awkwarrrd

[Tom]

I dont understand what you mean by narrowing down the field.

[Tom]

Tom doesn't have a good read on Megatron. Said a few things about him, but it's hard to interpret which parts he thought were good, and which were scummy.

Tom, can you explain this?

n) Megatron.
It is hard to get a good read on Megatron. Although he was one of those harrassing Battousai for the setup discussion, he also thought Claus was a townie -- meaning that he bought that Claus killed Pain to keep the law. Also, Megatron pushed to see SSK's "information" that would lead me to want to kill SSK pretty badly.

I thought Megatron's accusations of Battousai1 were scummy because they were just about his setup discussion and nothing else, which was a source of flak that Battousai had to deal with that I have considered illegitimate from the beginning. The fact that Megatron thought Claus was townie is a nulltell for me, but I did want to mention it in case someone had a differing opinion. Megatron's pushing of SSK is a bit pro town and his vote on SSK was one that made up the majority that I acted on when killing SSK.

I hope that explains it, MoS?

Im going to write up some more stuff later today.

[Tom]

-_-

I am going to be V/LA from now until the 6th. ABR, I apologize for not telling you that in advance.

I am going to

vote: Megatron

, and I am out.

-I do not think that Claus is mafia. I think that he is independent.
-I think that MoS is scummy, but I have had my doubts about Megatron for a while through my re-reads.
-I think L relies too much on the flavor text (cough, Tsunade and Kakashi were in this game), but I think he is town.