Mini 624 - Game Over!

[Hypatia]

Hello and welcome to Mini 624.

RULES:

GENERAL:

1. Do not quote any PMs I send you. You may paraphrase.
2. No private communication outside the thread unless your role allows it. Players with roles allowing private communication may use them at night, but not during the day.

3. Dark red text is my color, for votecounts and such. Do not use it.

4. Please make any official "in-thread mod communication" by prefacing it with

Mod:

("

Mod:

can we have a votecount please?")
5. If you believe you see a mistake in the votecount or something I have done, please point it out to me.
6. Posting using invisible text, white text, or similar is not allowed. Do not edit your posts. I will probably edit my posts. That's because I'm the mod and will leave stuff out.
7. Moderator decisions are final.
8. Moderator reserves the right to edit any of these rules.

NIGHT AND DAY:

1. This game is a Day Start.
2. Days will have a non-negotiable deadline of 4 weeks. A moderator deadline may be imposed sooner than this if discussion lags. If there are not enough votes for a lynch at deadline, No Lynch will occur.
3. Nights will last 72 hours. All night actions must be received by that time or they will be void. If you are going to forgo a night action, let me know.

VOTING AND LYNCHING:

1. All votes must be in bold and look like

Vote: Scummy McScummerson

. Please

Unvote

as well.
2. A lynch is achieved when a simple majority votes to lynch a player. Unvotes will not change a lynch once it is achieved.
3. Once a lynch has been achieved (or appears to be achieved), it is twilight. The lynched player should not post.
4. A simple majority of players voting No Lynch ("

Vote: No Lynch

") will cause the game day to end with no lynch.
5. Dead players may post a "bah!" post, as long as it does not contain any game information.

PLAYING:

1. Please let us all know in the thread if you will be unable to post for a period of 3 days or more.
2. If you have a problem with this game, please PM me privately; do not discuss it in the open thread.
3. Posting within the game's spirit of paranoia is great; abusive, harassing, or obscene posts are not.
4. Have fun. Not having fun will get you taken out into the street and shot.

I will be away from July 3 to July 6, just so everyone knows.

Please confirm receipt of your role PMs in this thread. PM me if you have any questions. Players who are allowed to talk outside the thread may do so starting now until the beginning of Day One.

Below is a Townie PM:

TOWNIE

You are a TOWNIE. You use your wits and your vote to rid the town of scum. You have no night actions.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

PLAYERS CURRENTLY ALIVE:
Wumbo
Battousai

replaces Kenfucius

geraintm

DEAD PLAYERS:

chenhsi - Town Cop, lynched Day One
imaginality - Townie, killed Night One

Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather, lynched Day Two

maxwellhouse - Town Cop, killed Night Two

Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon, lynched Day Three

nhat - Town Forensic Investigator, killed Night Three
Litral - Townie, killed Night Four

StrangerCoug - Mafia Goon, lynched Day Five

Cass

replaces Tom

- Townie, killed Night Six

[Hypatia]

Day One Begins!

The town assembles warily in the square. Who is an innocent townsperson? Who is a diabolical killer? Who had beans for lunch? Only time and the bodies will tell...

Living Players:

Tom
Wumbo
imaginality
Inspector Godot
chenhsi
Dark wingstalker
nhat
maxwellhouse
StrangerCoug
Kenfucius
geraintm
Litral

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

[Hypatia]

Vote Count!

geraintm

Inspector Godot
nhat
kenfucius

Inspector Godot

Tom
Litral

Tom

Wumbo

Litral

chenhsi

nhat

Dark Wingstalker

imaginality

maxwellhouse

Please remember to

Unvote

before you

Vote

.

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

[Hypatia]

Greetings players! I, your mod, will be on a trip from now until July 7, so I won't be available on the boards. Votecounts will be updated, lynches will be confirmed (if they happen), and pm questions will be answered when I return.

Current Votecount:

Litral

chenhsi

geraintm

nhat

chenhsi

Kenfucius

wumbo

geraintm

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

[Hypatia]

VOTECOUNT:

Wumbo

imaginality
StrangerCoug
Kenfucius
Litral

Dark wingstalker

Wumbo
nhat

Litral

chenhsi

chenhsi

maxwellhouse

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

[Hypatia]

VOTE COUNT

dark wingstalker

Wumbo
imaginality
nhat
StrangerCoug

wumbo

Tom

Litral

chenhsi

chenhsi

Litral

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

chenhsi and inspector godot have been prodded.

[Hypatia]

VOTECOUNT:

chenhsi

imaginality
Litral

Wumbo

Tom

dark wingstalker

nhat

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

I will search for a replacement for Tom.

The 26th of July is the deadline for the end of Day One.

[Hypatia]

Cass replaces Tom as of this post. Welcome Cass.

[Hypatia]

VOTE COUNT:

Dark wingstalker

Cass

Litral

imaginality

chenhsi

Dark wingstalker

With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch. Deadline hits July 26 but will be extended a few days if Kenfucius winds up being replaced (which may happen as he hasn't posted since July 9.)

Kenfucius has been prodded.

[Hypatia]

Mod, I dont have a vote on Chenshi currently?

If you are talking about #258 on Page 11, your unvote was not bolded so I didn't see it the first time, and it does not count.

[Hypatia]

Searching for a replacement for Kenfucius, who has not picked up his prod.

[Hypatia]

VOTE COUNT:

dark wingstalker

cass
imaginality
Inspector Godot
nhat
StrangerCoug

Inspector godot

Litral

[Hypatia]

Battousai replaces Kenfucius effective immediately. Thank you and welcome to Battousai.

[Hypatia]

And that's a lynch. Chenhsi is dead.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo
3. imaginality
4. Inspector Godot

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker
7. nhat
8. maxwellhouse
9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm
12. Litral

It is now night. Night communication rules are in effect; anyone with night actions should send them in. Night will end at 8 pm Central Standard Time, July 28.

[Hypatia]

Day Two dawns on a sad note. Imaginality, a townie, lies dead in the town square. You immediately band together to find the killer. Justice must be done!

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker
7. nhat
8. maxwellhouse
9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm
12. Litral

[Hypatia]

VOTE COUNT:

Dark wingstalker

cass
nhat
StrangerCoug
geraintm

6 to lynch.

[Hypatia]

Mod - can cops investigate themselves?

The moderator cannot publicly answer questions about possible roles.

[Hypatia]

My apologies. I expected that I would do a votecount for this game at work and then was unable to. I now have my laptop rigged up with a new keyboard.

And that's a lynch.

After several people calling loudly for Darkwingstalker's blood, someone finally pulls the lever and he dies. From his pocket drops his calling card - "Dark Wingstalker, Mafia Godfather".

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat
8. maxwellhouse
9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm
12. Litral

It is now Night 2. Night communication is in effect. Night will end on Tuesday August 5 at 8 PM Eastern Standard time. Send in your night actions.

[Hypatia]

Day Three dawns sadly in our little town. Maxwellhouse lies dead in the town square. Beside him, you find his badge - "Maxwellhouse - Town Cop".

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat

8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm
12. Litral

[Hypatia]

My apologies for the delay. My computer is having serious problems.

As the sun sets over our peaceful little town, the restless lynch mob turns toward Inspector Godot. As they tear him to bits, his little calling card falls out of his pocket - "Inspector Godot, Mafia Goon".

It is now Night 3. Day will dawn at 8 pm Eastern Standard Time (or thereabouts) on August 12. Send in your night actions.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat

8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm
12. Litral

[Hypatia]

Another sunrise, another dead body. Nhat is dead in the square. Beside him is his little fingerprint kit.

With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm
12. Litral

[Hypatia]

I am back. I apologize for the delay. Things in my life have been weird. I am going to get replaced in the games I am playing and finish moderating this game.

[Hypatia]

And the sun sets on our quiet, yet tense village. No one is lynched. Day is expected to dawn around 8 PM on SATURDAY AUGUST 30. Please send in your night actions.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm
12. Litral

[Hypatia]

The day dawns with another body in the town square -- that of Litral, a townie. With 5 alive, it is 3 to lynch.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug
10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm

12. Litral - Townie

[Hypatia]

I am glad discussion has picked up. I want y'all to know that I have been following this game, but as there have been no votecounts, there is no visual reminder of my presence here.

[Hypatia]

VOTE COUNT:

StrangerCoug

Cass
Battousai

With five alive, it is three to lynch.

[Hypatia]

Updated Vote Count:

Cass

StrangerCoug

StrangerCoug

Cass
Battousai

Geraintm has been prodded.

[Hypatia]

And that's a lynch. The town descends upon StrangerCoug, and he dies. In his pocket you find his calling card--

StrangerCoug, Mafia Goon.

Then night falls.

Dawn will break on SUNDAY SEPTEMBER 21, around 8 PM Eastern Standard Time, or after. Send in your night actions.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug - Mafia Goon

10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm

12. Litral - Townie

[Hypatia]

Dawn comes quietly to our tiny town. As you warily poke your heads out of doors, you don't notice any new bodies. Is this a good sign, or a bad?

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug - Mafia Goon

10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm

12. Litral - Townie

With 4 alive, it is 3 to lynch.

[Hypatia]

Fittingly for the vernal equinox, night falls sooner than it used to in our little town. No one dies.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug - Mafia Goon

10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm

12. Litral - Townie

Day will dawn at around 8 pm on WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 24. Send in your night actions.

[Hypatia]

As the sun rises, another body appears. Cass, a Townie, is dead.

PLAYERS:

1. Cass

Tom

- Townie

2. Wumbo

3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

9. StrangerCoug - Mafia Goon

10. Battousai

Kenfucius

11. geraintm

12. Litral - Townie

With 3 alive, it is 2 to lynch.

[Hypatia]

And that is, indeed, a lynch. Confident that they have located the last mafia member, the two remaining townies gang up on geraintm, only to find that he is not mafia at all! Instead, he is a serial killer.

TOWN WINS.

1. Cass

Tom

- Townie
2. Wumbo - Townie
3. imaginality - Townie

4. Inspector Godot - Mafia Goon

5. chenhsi - Town Cop

(Sane)

6. Dark wingstalker - Mafia Godfather

7. nhat - Town Forensic Investigator
8. maxwellhouse - Town Cop

(Paranoid)

9. StrangerCoug - Mafia Goon

10. Battousai

Kenfucius

- Town Cop

(Naive)

11. geraintm - Serial Killer

12. Litral - Townie

A more detailed writeup, as well as my apologies, is forthcoming later tonight. Discuss.

[Hypatia]

ROLES

Cass

Tom

, Wumbo, Imaginality, and Litral received the following:

You are a TOWNIE. You use your wits and your vote to rid the town of scum. You have no night actions.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

chenhsi, maxwellhouse, and Battousai

Kenfucius

received:

You are a COP. Each night you may investigate one player by PMing me their name. You will receive a result from me.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Chenhsi was sane, maxwellhouse paranoid, and Battousai naive.

nhat received:

You are a FORENSIC INVESTIGATOR. Each night you may PM me the name of a player who was killed on the previous night. You will receive a list of all the players who ever targeted that player. You cannot investigate lynched players, and you cannot investigate a player who was killed before the night previous to the night of your investigation. (So for example, you will not be able to investigate Night 1. On Night 2, you could investigate a player killed Night 1; on Night 3, a player killed Night 2; and so forth.)

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

The Forensic Investigator would not find any fingerprints from the SK.

Darkwingstalker received:

You are the MAFIA GODFATHER, the leader of the mafia. Your goons are Inspector Godot and StrangerCoug. You may converse with them by PM at night. Each night YOU, as the godfather, may PM me the name of a player you want killed and the name of the mafia member who will make the kill. (You are allowed to make a kill as well.) If you die, Inspector Godot will be in charge of sending in the kill, and then StrangerCoug. You may also allow one of your goons to make the choice if you will be away, but your choice takes precedence, then Godot's, then StrangerCoug.

As the godfather, you are immune to investigations.

You win when the mafia control a majority of the votes or nothing can prevent you from doing so.

Inspector Godot and StrangerCoug received:

You are a MAFIA GOON. Your godfather is Dark wingstalker. Your co-goon is StrangerCoug/Inspector Godot. You may converse with them by PM at night. Each night the godfather may PM me the name of a player you want killed and the name of the mafia member who will make the kill. If the GF dies, Inspector Godot will be in charge of sending in the kill, and then StrangerCoug.

You win when the mafia control a majority of the votes or nothing can prevent you from doing so.[/i]

geraintm received:

You are a SERIAL KILLER. Each night you may PM me the name of a player you want to kill. You are immune to investigations. You are also immune to one nightkill in the course of the game.

You win when you are the last player alive in the game or nothing can prevent this.

[Hypatia]

NIGHT ACTIONS:

Night One

Maxwellhouse investigates Dark Wingstalker (Guilty result)
Battousai investigates geraintm (Innocent result)
Inspector Godot kills imaginality.

Night Two

Maxwellhouse investigates litral (Guilty)
Battousai investigates Cass (Innocent)
nhat investigates imaginality (Targeted by: Inspector Godot)
StrangerCoug kills Maxwellhouse

Night Three

Battousai investigates litral (Innocent)
StrangerCoug kills nhat

Night Four

Battousai investigates StrangerCoug (innocent)
StrangerCoug kills litral

Night Five

Nothing.

Night Six

Battousai investigates Wumbo (innocent)
geraintm kills Cass

[Hypatia]

And now my thoughts.

First, I am so happy to see good play from all concerned. I have been playing on another forum that frustrates me immensely in so many ways, and has basically burned me out on mafia for the forseeable future. This is rarely the case at mafiascum. A special congratulations to the town on their scumhunting.

Secondly, addressing the SK situation. I had become intrigued with the idea of doing a game with a Forensic Investigator character. However, a Forensic Investigator has a good chance to net a scum in a one-for-one trade unless there are multiple bodies floating around each day; hence the necessity of a second killing party. I toyed with the idea of having a compulsive vig but decided to go with a serial killer. Because I like to give my players flexibility in their playstyle, I made the SK role say:

Each night you may PM me the name of a player you want to kill.

Emphasis on

may

. I expected that the SK would choose to forgo a night or two of killing and claim vig. I did not realize what geraintm was doing until Night 2, at which point it was far too late to retroactively change the rules (even if it were ethical to do such a thing--and since the game was not completely broken, I could not). I realize that this changed the game immensely from the way I had predicted it being played; and I also worried that, in the event of a geraintm win, town players would feel unjustly cheated in being beaten by a SK who would come out of nowhere.

This is NOT a reflection on geraintm's play in this game; his strategy was a perfectly ethical and very effective means of play within the rules I had given him. Rather, it is a reflection on my shortsightedness in failing to forsee this possibility and the drastic effects it could have on the game--for example, Mafia are seldom helped by the presence of a SK, but they were hurt in this game by the SK's "absence". I hope that, in the discussion threads, moderators can figure out a solution to this conundrum.

[Hypatia]

How would you have changed the rules to take geraintm's play into account?

If I were running this game again, I would have mandated that the SK kill at least every other night.