The One That I Cannot Kill [it's FINALLY done]

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So I kinda forgot the game was happening, but I've played this setup a couple times in sitechat before, (and modded them, too) and usually it doesn't matter who gets lynched first, just because if you get town, you get a confirmed townie, and most of the time by the first couple minutes based on who's working with who and so on and so forth. I saw the votecount and it looked like it was him or you. I knew if I voted you I'd either get scum and p much win, or I'd get town and you'd shoot him (killing scum). That's how it goes pretty much every time. So I flipped a coin that would only land heads up.

I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot lynchproof) which is why I posted like I did at beginning of day 2. I know you know I'm town, cuz if you didn't think I was, you'd have shot me yesterday. Let's lynch RC and win this thing for the homies?

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how do i convince you that i'm town

It's not about Who's town, it's about the homies.

nope, no dancing.

while we're on the subject of not really talking about anything meaningful, i was thinking of modding a game after this, and maybe after oka's game finished. do you think people would have time for a max ~30 minute game?

I would play.

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Why is there constant war between the RCs and the homies? Can't we make peace in the town to defeat the larger enemy, the scum?

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Actually I think it's you. You're acting very similar to how you were in yesterday's vengeful.

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Though there's very little data so far.

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Also I forgot how different 3 player games were.

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Nothing explicit, no.

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i feel like who is in a really shitty situation if he rolled scum here

probably.

knowing that i'm town i actually feel right now like the optimal move for me is to just sit on my hands and do nothing to see what both of you do because scum presumably has to do

something

, but i don't imagine that that's a very fun strategy or very healthy for this game being interesting at all.

Sitting on your hands and letting townies fight also seems like a good strategy if you rolled scum.

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i feel like who is in a really shitty situation if he rolled scum here

probably.

knowing that i'm town i actually feel right now like the optimal move for me is to just sit on my hands and do nothing to see what both of you do because scum presumably has to do

something

, but i don't imagine that that's a very fun strategy or very healthy for this game being interesting at all.

Sitting on your hands and letting townies fight also seems like a good strategy if you rolled scum.

do you think i'm scum?

I don't know whether or not you're scum. I think it's more likely to be RC, but my scumread on him is weakening and I don't have a read on you.

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I don't know whether or not you're scum. I think it's more likely to be RC, but my scumread on him is weakening and I don't have a read on you.

who do you think rc's lynchpin is? that is, The One That [He] Cannot Kill?

I don't know.

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who i'm just about ready to vote you right now (or save my vote for after nsgs to play around onewhocannotkill). you have not posted anything that reads as solving and you've just kind of straddled the middle

This may surprise you, but it turns out that I am shit at scumhunting.

[Who]

The only thing to have happened this game to give any information is NSG's attack on me implies that if she is scum her lynchpin is you.

[Who]

You tried to take control of things the way you did in vengeful, then after I called you out on it you backed off.

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You used it to great effect as scum. I haven't played with townyou. Or I may have like 4 years ago or something, but I don't remember it. Given how effectively you were able to use it as scum, and that I have no evidence in favor or against its effectiveness at helping you when you were town, this is weak evidence that it is alignment indicative.

[Who]

The only thing to have happened this game to give any information is NSG's attack on me implies that if she is scum her lynchpin is you.

my attack on you? i would say that, if anything, i've questioned RC far more this game, even if overall i've only outright said that you're scummy.

Whatever you want to call it. You've positioned yourself such that refusing to hammer me would be strange.

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Then I would totally believe that you are 100% honest in this mafia game. Next you'll tell me that you're not scum and well time to lynch NSG you said it on the internet so it must be true.

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i don't think so at all. i probably wouldn't hammer you right now if RC voted you.

Sure you could stall for a while without arousing suspicion, but if you were scum and I was your lynchpin then it would reach the point of suspicion quicker than if you refused to hammer RC.

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:v

what's your read on me, then?

Nullscum. In that I still think it's more likely to be you than NSG, but I am not at all confident in anything.

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Same question goes to Who.

Which argument? 96? Not convincing.

I'm confirmed town. You vote me, unvote. Who votes me, unvote. One of you is scum, and the other is the lynchpin. You crossvote, town wins. Or, more accurately, one of you crossvotes, the other refuses, we lynch them, town wins.

I'm confused as to how this works.

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If both of you are able to vote me then it indicates that I'm not anyone's lynchpin. That means the two people who aren't me are scum and scum's lynchpin, respectively. If scum votes their lynchpin they lose, so if both of you could vote me then crossvoting would result in an instant scum loss.

Did I misread the setup? I thought scum just couldn't hammer, like in SS3.

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Though to be fair, I get this setup mixed up a lot, though, with SS3 (and also every time I skim this I think townies are perma one-shot lynchproof)

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If they can't vote the lynchpin then the easy-win strategy is each person votes then unvotes each player at a random time and you hope no quickhammer because quickhammering is more difficult because it requires constant vigilance.

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Or at least, in nonmarathons that would be easy win. In marathons vigilance is easier yeah.

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RC does seem to be reacting to me accusing him taking control of being scum-indicative by relinquishing control.

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Who, if you think RC is scum, do you think it's more likely that he has to lynch you, or me?

I think that it's more likely that he's unable to hammer me. But I think that this difference in probability is not great enough for it to be significant.

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Who, if you don't vote me, I am going to vote you.

If I vote you and RC is scum RC quickhammers and we lose? I'm confused as to why you want me to vote you.

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you realize he's allowed to vote you right, just not hammer

urgh sthis game is sooooo stupid im just gonna vote who im tired othis

We repeatedly told you this. Is this some kind of bullshit reaction test?

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Anyway, going back to before that,

Who, if you think RC is scum, do you think it's more likely that he has to lynch you, or me?

I think that it's more likely that he's unable to hammer me. But I think that this difference in probability is not great enough for it to be significant.

based on what evidence do you say this

I think that the earlygame accusations against me could have been posturing. But as I said, this evidence is too weak to be significant, it is only slightly more likely to be me.

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ok but why would i make earlygame accusations against my target as opposed to not my target

To make us think your target is not your target. Similar to in vengeful with the early McMenno push. But that had a clear payoff, whereas us being wrong about your target is far less helpful, so as I said super weak. But I have no other evidence in either direction, so it is what determines "more likely".

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This feels more like a normal game than a marathon game.

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"normal" here meant "normal-length". But yeah if it were in the actual queues it would be Open.

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Or well, technically micro for 3p.

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who if you had to vote who do you vote? me?

Probably? If I were in a situation where I had to vote then how the game got to that situation would probably give more information on which to act.

[Who]

Okay fuck it let this game be over I'm bored.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
For the homies.

[Who]

NSG's inability to hammer is significantly more likely to be on me anyway so if she hammers then two chances at a win.

[Who]

NSG's inability to hammer is significantly more likely to be on me anyway so if she hammers then two chances at a win.

*on you
NSG's talk about must lynch got me confused as to which is the target of the ability.

[Who]

Given that NSG has not hammered yet it is now guaranteed to be a win for town if she hammers you.

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VOTE: NSG
Okay so it was you with must not hammer on RC.

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VOTE: NSG
Okay so it was you with must not hammer on RC.

why couldn't she be town who read you incorrectly with me as must not hammer on you

I did not think of that, you are correct. I'm tired it's 1 AM. But as you said you are now cleared so my conclusion was correct even if my logic was flawed.

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I thought you were supposed to be good as town, you just lost us the game.

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I still prefer it to being town, especially in a normal length game like this. All the comments about being bad at scumhunting were completely honest, except there wasn't the stress of actually being supposed to be able to scumhunt.

gg, you were both right about me being scum.

(holy heck i should've forced a deadline)

I second this comment.