Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:28 pm

In post 7687, MathBlade wrote:Newbie 1209

FFS, you say "almost always" and I ask for evidence, and you come up with a single game????? But no. If that would work, "Normal 2016" right back at you. JKs are slightly (but only slightly) more likely to keep a killer than killer. Not "almost always"

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:28 pm

In post 7692, skitter30 wrote:ari was very very very nearly lynched tho
so neither tried to form any cw and were content to just lurk it out and watch him get wagoned?

Faith in RC being RC and destroying his early game wagons?

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:38 pm

What you are saying is demonstrably wrong, whether by pure math or by RCE's flip in this game. But Im not trying to convince you its wrong.

Im assessing the strength of your belief in the demonstrably wrong. Because that does matter into how to read your day 3.

So Im trying to see if it is an article of pure faith for you -- "a sitewide standard that's existed" and so must remain so despite the lack of evidence, or if there is something more there.

(o be clear, I too believe killer is more likely than killee, but only marginally rather than your absolutely)

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:46 pm

yoink~

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:52 pm

In post 7527, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7515, skitter30 wrote:
In post 7512, Xtoxm wrote:Skitter stop prancing around like you own the thread. You are still a suspect.
Nice shade
Not really I was the only one who pushed her. She’s not after being right on RCE

TBH, Im not sure how you get to BOTH me and skit being hard town after resisting RCE, plus maintaining (at least to a limited extent) your traitor theory?

Like, to you this is mylo, right? or did you give up on that?

If you gave up on that, why did your reference the neighborizer bit earler?

Regardless of the traitor bit, why do you assume both people pushing against a town wagon are necessarily town? Wouldnt one white-knight/divergence from a partner be more likely in the abstract?

(BTW, sorry for the lot of questions, and I appreciate you playing with the flu. Feel better!)

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:02 pm

In post 7528, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7526, Flopz wrote: Is this assuming you were the N1 target?
Yes and RCE had no reads other than RC scum

Thats just not true. Since we are talking about N1, here are RCE's other reads:

Spoiler:

Like the EoD1, RCE's posts in the 2000s are more about Ari scum than just about any other slot. And Im not sure how you could possibly say otherwise?

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:02 pm

In post 7524, Flopz wrote:fun digging through ISO's which I should hopefully do in the weekend.

Did this happen?

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:15 pm

Sweet dreams (fwiw, the quote is of him saying you were repeating him, not the other way around)

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:16 pm

In post 7705, MathBlade wrote:The setup as written penalizes scum for using the power assuming the other two are vanilla. Saudade could be guiltied by RC for multitasking if he uses tracker. Something doesn’t add up.

Why are you assuming the other two are vanilla? Im assuming a strongman N-shot.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:26 pm

In post 7710, MathBlade wrote:Neighborizer evidence of traitor

No. Again, scum!neighborizer paired with traitor roughly 11% of time. This isnt gambler's fallacy (assuming the past has relevance to this actual setup). Its about the validity of the evidence. It is not evidence, because it has not been evidence.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:36 pm

Spoiler: ALL VCs colored

VOTE COUNT

1.1
teacher (2):

the worst

, skitter30
skitter30 (1):

tris

Plum (1): MathBlade

Not voting (9):

RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.2
Plum (2): MathBlade, skitter30
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

teacher (1):

the worst

tris

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (7):

RCEnigma/color],

iconeum

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.3

tris

(2): Aristophanes, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):

tris

teacher (1):

the worst

Not voting (7):

RCEnigma/color],

iconeum

,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher, Plum

VOTE COUNT

1.4
Aristophanes (4): Plum,

radiantCowbells

,

the worst

, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,

iconeum

tris

(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):

tris

Not voting (5):

RCEnigma/color],

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.5
Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade
skitter30 (2):

Bellaphant

,

the worst

tris

(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):

tris

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

iconeum

(1): skitter30

Not voting (5):

RCEnigma/color], Thilbert,

iconeum

, teacher,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

1.6
skitter30 (2):

Bellaphant

,

the worst

Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, skitter30
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

tris

(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (3): Thilbert,

iconeum

, teacher

VOTE COUNT

1.7
MathBlade (3):

tris

,

Bellaphant

, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): Plum, MathBlade,

the worst

Bellaphant

(2): teacher, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

tris

(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (2):

iconeum

,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

1.8
Flopz (5): MathBlade, Plum,

the worst

,

RCEnigma/color],

iconeum

MathBlade (2):

tris

,

Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

Bellaphant

(1): teacher

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

tris

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT

1.9
Flopz (3): MathBlade, Plum,

RCEnigma/color]
MathBlade (2):

tris

,

Bellaphant

(2): teacher,

the worst

tris

(2): Aristophanes,

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1):

iconeum

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT

1.10

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Flopz (2):

RCEnigma/color], [color=green]Bellaphant

Xtoxm (2):

iconeum

, teacher

Bellaphant

(2):

the worst

, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):

tris

radiantCowbells

(1): Xtoxm

VOTE COUNT

1.11

tris

(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Xtoxm (3):

iconeum

, teacher, MathBlade
Flopz (2):

RCEnigma/color], [color=green]Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

MathBlade (1):

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.12
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, MathBlade
Xtoxm (2):

iconeum

, teacher

tris

(2): Aristophanes, Plum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Flopz (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (2): [color=green]Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.13
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, MathBlade
Flopz (3):

RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes, [color=blue]iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Xtoxm (1): teacher

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.14
Aristophanes (5): Flopz,

radiantCowbells

, MathBlade, teacher,

iconeum

Flopz (2):

RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes
[color=green]radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

tris

(1): Plum
teacher (1): skitter30

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

tris

VOTE COUNT

1.15
Aristophanes (4): Flopz, MathBlade, teacher,

RCEnigma/color]
[color=green]radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

teacher (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

tris

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.16
Aristophanes (3): MathBlade, teacher,

RCEnigma/color]
[color=green]radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

the worst

(1):

tris

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Flopz

VOTE COUNT

1.17
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

(2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1):

RCEnigma/color]
Flopz (1): Aristophanes
[color=red]tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.18
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm,

the worst

, Aristophanes

the worst

(2):

tris

,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1):

RCEnigma/color]
[color=red]tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.19

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm,

the worst

, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (2): [color=green]Bellaphant

,

iconeum

VOTE COUNT

1.20

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (3): [color=green]Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.21

the worst

(5):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (3): [color=green]Bellaphant

,

iconeum

, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.22

the worst

(6):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): teacher,

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

1.23 (FINAL)
[color=green]the worst

(7):

tris

, skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher
Aristophanes (2):

Bellaphant

,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm,

the worst

Plum (1):

RCEnigma/color]

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.1
Plum (3): [color=green]radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2):

iconeum

, MathBlade

Not voting (7):

RCEnigma/color], [color=red]tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Flopz, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.2
Aristophanes (3):

iconeum

, MathBlade, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Plum (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (6):

RCEnigma/color], [color=red]tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.3
Aristophanes (4):

iconeum

, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30,

RCEnigma/color]
[color=green]RCEnigma/color] (1): [color=green]radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):

tris

, Plum,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.4
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, Flopz, teacher,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2): skitter30,

RCEnigma/color]
[color=green]RCEnigma/color] (1): [color=green]radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):

saudade

, shos,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT

2.5
Aristophanes (3): Flopz, teacher,

iconeum

shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

radiantCowbells

(1):

RCEnigma/color]
skitter30 (1): MathBlade

Not voting (4): shos, [color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

saudade

VOTE COUNT

2.6
skitter30 (4): MathBlade,

iconeum

,

saudade

, Xtoxm
shos (2): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells

(1):

RCEnigma/color]
MathBlade (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (2): shos, [color=green]Bellaphant

VOTE COUNT

2.7
shos (3): skitter30,

radiantCowbells

, Aristophanes

radiantCowbells

(3):

RCEnigma/color], [color=blue]iconeum

, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher
skitter30 (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (3): shos,

Bellaphant

,

saudade

VOTE COUNT

2.8
shos (5): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

,

RCEnigma/color], teacher
[color=green]radiantCowbells

(2): MathBlade,

saudade

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT

2.9
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

,

RCEnigma/color]
Aristophanes (1): Flopz
[color=blue]iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (4):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

radiantCowbells

, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.10
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

,

RCEnigma/color]
MathBlade (1): [color=green]radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.11
shos (4): skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(3): MathBlade,

saudade

,

RCEnigma/color]
[color=blue]iconeum

(1): shos

saudade

(1):

radiantCowbells

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.12

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(3):

saudade

,

RCEnigma/color], MathBlade
shos (1): Flopz
[color=blue]iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.13

saudade

(5):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

, Flopz

radiantCowbells

(3):

saudade

,

RCEnigma/color], MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3): [color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.14

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes,

iconeum

radiantCowbells

(2):

saudade

,

RCEnigma/color]
[color=green]RCEnigma/color] (2): Flopz, MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3): [color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.15

saudade

(4):

radiantCowbells

, skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz
shos (2):

iconeum

, MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(1):

RCEnigma/color]
Xtoxm (1): shos
Aristophanes (1): [color=red]saudade

Not voting (3):

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT

2.16 (FINAL)

saudade

(7): skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz,

iconeum

, teacher,

radiantCowbells

,

saudade

shos (1): MathBlade

radiantCowbells

(1):

RCEnigma/color]
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (2): [color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm
VOTE COUNT 3.1
Xtoxm (2): Iconeum, shos
shos (1): MathBlade

Not Voting (7):

RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes,[color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Flopz, teacher, skitter30

VOTE COUNT 3.2
Xtoxm (1): shos
MathBlade (1): skitter30

RCEnigma/color] (1): MathBlade

Not Voting (7): [color=green]RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes,[color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher, Iconeum, Flopz

OTE COUNT 3.3

RCEnigma/color] (3): MathBlade, Flopz, shos
MathBlade (2): skitter30, teacher

Not Voting (5): [color=green]RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes,[color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Iconeum

OTE COUNT 3.4

RCEnigma/color] (4): MathBlade, Flopz, shos, Iconeum
MathBlade (2): skitter30, teacher

Not Voting (4): [color=green]RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes,[color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm

OTE COUNT 3.5

RCEnigma/color] (3): MathBlade, Flopz, shos
MathBlade (1): skitter30

Not Voting (6): [color=green]RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes,[color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, teacher, Iconeum

OTE COUNT 3.6

RCEnigma/color] (3): MathBlade, Flopz, shos
shos (2): teacher, skitter30

Not Voting (5): [color=green]RCEnigma/color], Aristophanes,[color=green]Bellaphant

, Xtoxm, Iconeum

OTE COUNT 3.7

RCEnigma/color] (5): MathBlade, Flopz, shos, Iconeum, Xtoxm
MathBlade (2): teacher, skitter30

VOTE COUNT 3.8 (FINAL)
[color=green]RCEnigma/color] (6): MathBlade, Flopz, shos, Iconeum, Xtoxm, Aristophanes
MathBlade (2): teacher, skitter30

Not Voting (2): [color=green]RCEnigma/color],[color=green]Bellaphant

Doing this for public benefit while using some on the preview screen for my reading.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:37 pm

Error in the find and replace....

Spoiler: fixed tags

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:19 pm

After diving VCs, I suppose Im ok with a Shos lynch. Id rather Ari, but it is what it is.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:19 pm

@Skit, Ive spent the day diving my own solves, but I do want to do the Ari associative thing so will be on tomorrow with that.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:39 pm

Shos, can you please share your solve?
Can you please say why you arent voting?
Can you please explain the "fast NL" "discussion than NL" dichotomy?
etc. etc.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:41 pm

In post 7720, shos wrote:Don't think anyone actually said why they think it is a bad idea, everyone just say no we're not doing that without remotely explaining.

The only bad thing about this plan is "we lose icos voice for a day" and this is solvable by my method of deciding tomorrow's lynch.

OK, try it another way. What's the benefit (leaving town!Ico)? B/c theres no world where I consider Ico scum, and Ill suck ass if thats wrong.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:51 pm

Ico, I have to do grading stuff, but can you talk about me/skit? Like I think your reads were upside down, but I have a hard time seeing that train of thought and Im surprised you arent testing the waters in any way with either of us.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:20 pm

In post 7735, Iconeum wrote:
In post 7732, teacher wrote:Ico, I have to do grading stuff, but can you talk about me/skit? Like I think your reads were upside down, but I have a hard time seeing that train of thought and Im surprised you arent testing the waters in any way with either of us.
i'm constantly doubting both your slots, but i end up going in circles

it's always 'skitter pushed that saud wagon so hard' and 'teacher just isn't scum here'

IIRC, and I havent checked this, Skit didnt push Saud that hard. In fact, I think she initially pushed against it for a bit (pref'ing shos, and saying shed be able to read saud in time) and flipped only when momentum felt strong that way. That was my broad takeaway from that time, but Im not double checking it

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:21 pm

In post 7745, shos wrote:3. Forcing scum to make one of their kills in a less-informed state

Whats the less informed state, if we are doing that whole full discussion thing.

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:52 pm

In post 7574, Iconeum wrote:cannot

resist

temptation

(sorrynotsorry)

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:53 pm

In post 7575, Iconeum wrote:

teacher · Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:53 pm

sorry I actually didnt mean to do that.... getting loopy sleep deprived.

teacher · Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:24 am

When did xtomx claim hooded relative to Bella’s claim. Iirc, it was before the jk. I can’t check while at school, but that’s one of my main reasons to tr him, along with a completely believable portrayal of the hood thread and picking up details today.

On Ari, I don’t recall him pushing saud hard, but he’s my goal for a reread tonight.

teacher · Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:02 am

In post 7773, Xtoxm wrote:i checked and it was after.
not really sure what the difference there is tho?

It’s less of a reason to rely on that, since scum!you would know the attempt to hood RCE failed and so the claim was safe. I’m still inclined to credit especially with today’s play, but that’s the relevance.

teacher · Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:46 pm

Im still offline for a bit, but skit the problem is you can’t nest spoiler tags.m, so the spoilers in the vcs are preventing the larger spoiler.

teacher · Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:56 am

Sorry I absolutely crashed last night. I can’t catch up now but will be on around 10

teacher · Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:31 pm

Come to me.

teacher · Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:32 pm

(as in come to Ari with me)

teacher · Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:08 am

In post 7968, Iconeum wrote:
In post 5728, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 5716, Saudade wrote:Xtox come back here I'm going to force you to talk and then vote rc
im notoriously difficult to force to talk
does this read like scum interacting with scum to you, shos?

Possibly. Certainly reads like a neighborizer crumb though.

teacher · Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:51 am

Ego search is your friend.

teacher · Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:25 pm

In post 8004, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 7999, shos wrote:
In post 7995, Aristophanes wrote:And shos, NL is a good plan but not at this moment. It is for when mylo hits or is nigh. Not when we are up in town numbers! Give your head a shake!
LOL
how can you be any more 'nigh' than now you're one mislynch away from mylo
We are 2 mislynches away from mylo are we not?

presumptively 6:2 now. ML+NK=4:2 Mylo tomorrow. 1 mislynch.

teacher · Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:18 am

In post 8017, Flopz wrote:Teacher are you going to do the Ari associative thing because I've kind of been waiting for that

Sorry, I thought it was for skit and they came around anyways. Sure Ill do it in a bit.

teacher · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:39 am

Welcome to the Ari-Trisaudade associative show.

For our opening act, we offer this vintage RC:

Spoiler:

In post 366, RadiantCowbells wrote:Alright let's do this so this is why Ari is scum.

In post 113, Aristophanes wrote:Intriguing.

I am an easy pocket so I'm going to stay strong in this, but I like where you're coming from as this develops.
This post categorically comes from scum significantly more often than town.
There's a
kung fu movies
Pocket attempt denied that I think of a lot referencing this but I don't remember the name of the game anymore.
I claim that g enerally dismissing townreads on you as 'pocketing' when they come from people you're not townreading points to scum more often than town.
On top of that it itself doesn't make sense as town given the 'i like where ur coming from but Im gonna vote you anyway.'
But it does make sense as scum because you want to assign value to townreads on you while simultaneously keeping your mislynch open, which is what Ari is doing here.

In post 92, Aristophanes wrote:Maybe I stated that badly. You don't seem ruffled. Your responses just sounded a but defensive and the followups a tad contrived.

Also literally anything can come from scum sometimes. Town tells can come from scum sometimes! This is so empty.
This is just... so bad? A bit defensive and a tad contrived is such weak phrasing plus dismissing all of scumhunting with 'ooh scum can towntell too' (and I've seen that post from scum several times and from town only once I think?) just doesn't feel like a good faith attempt to sort Tris.

In post 172, Aristophanes wrote:Meh, I like Math for town atm. Good strong read tbh.

Sorry RC.

Also signing off for the night now so eho knows when I'll be back. Meme away in my absence plz <3
Ari knows that I'm a better scumhunter than he is and generally doesn't have the kind of personality where he's going to go against me if he disagrees.
For him to go this far defending Mathblade (ignoring the fact that hard townreading Mathblade seems... implausible) is extremely uncharacteristic and to me points to him being scum.
Could make sense as trying to rack up townpoints for a correct townread or not wanting to vote a buddy.

In post 78, Aristophanes wrote:Tris, Plum, Skitter scumteam. Calling it now.
And seriously on the same general line as before but without you having to take 'Ari respects RC' as a thing because I'm sure there's people who will
since when is fucking ARI declaring these confident calling it nows on early pages of the game, like what? his confidence in his reads is way out of whack for being just back. that rhymes.

but yea this is scum

So that’s the stand alone case, but it also involves a heck of a lot of Tris associatives and quotes. Here is more on the associatives.

In post 5693, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 3847, Aristophanes wrote:This is entirely possible! Tris is my biggest thought for filling that last spot and if not Teach then Xtoxm seems likely just via lack of evidence against it.

I am going to give RCE a far better read at some point and maybe sniff out some associatives because they are the most likely active scum I can find and I would love to land the lynch there once we're all ready.
this is just one of many posts but

so many times from both Ari/Skitter they suggest Tris as scum and then find a reason to vote/push elsewhere

And again.

In post 5811, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 5807, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 5743, RadiantCowbells wrote:i just really need to talk to Ari/Teacher/Skitter
Yooooo

Sup?
Basically?

Your entire in thread trajectory suggests that you should be voting Tris/Saudade, your associatives aren't great, Tris refused to vote you yesterday at deadline, but you have declined to vote Saudade in situations where you really should have ended up voting him several times and in an increasingly narrow pool of people who can potentially be scum, you stand out as a buddy to him.

I can't force you to vote Saudade here but if you don't I'm basically going to assume that you're scum and go after him with everything I've got.

So most of the initial scumread was based of Ari-Tris interactions, and RC’s conclusion – that there was hard distancing between the two slots without backup – is proven throughout the thread. Ari scumreads the Trisaudade slot consistently…..

Spoiler: Ari scumreads

But then, as RC begins to express “scumpinging [saudade]” 4072, Ari suddenly loses that scumread and in fact pushes against it, defending the slot and pushing counterwagons.

Spoiler: ari defending scum

He does this until its clear the momentum is coming around onto Saudade, and he needs to be in a position to bus again, when he shows openness to the lynch while still trying to push others.

Spoiler: shift to bus

In post 5496, Aristophanes wrote:[snip first part of wall]

In post 5458, RadiantCowbells wrote:dude the posts you gave saudade a townread for are trivial to fake for even like mediocre scum. skitter gave him a townread for the dumbest shit. wtf?
I think they were townposts, especially when coupled with the average Saudade post. But good point I guess.
Bella asked for what I thought were his townposts, that was the entirety of the list. Like, it was exhaustive. It does not mean he couldn't be scum still lol

In post 5465, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 4117, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 4102, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Shos

Ico, Ari, let's get this game figured out.
/in =D

How can I help

I think we should leave Saudade around for the interim. Shos is a decent place to start though!
You've been saying this from here as well. Just... why?
At this point in the game ai thought I had found a mason partner crumb and didn't want to bring attention to the fact I believed his first post claim to be real. I've since dropped that belief.

In post 5466, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 4993, Aristophanes wrote:Saudade that is a very scummy post from you and I feel like you're shading the wagon.
What is wrong, in your eyes, with voting someone you think is scum while others you think are scum are on the wagon, Saudade?
This entire interaction being forgotten as well
Scummy post doesn't mean scum any more than a towny post means town lol
He is, at least, very upfront about the shade he is placing on the wagon and it gives equity to the Tris/Plum possibility.

RC I towncased him but that doesn't mean he's town. Hes still among the lowest tier of my townpile. But I think there are better lynch options to pursue first/slots that simply need more content so we can read and interact with them!

But I'd love to talk this out at some point

In post 5489, Saudade wrote:Honestly at this point it doesnt even matter if rc is scum or town the only way for us to move this game forward is to hang him

This is bad and you should feel bad.

In post 5481, Saudade wrote:I disregard the shos wagon completely and so should you because the guy havent posted anything besides an attempt to catch up

Well its impossible to catch up in shitfest, and theres only one player causing this shitfest.
I can only imagine what you did to my poor duck yesterday you filthy dress in black kill for money cow

Shos is within a very small PoE pool for many players. Their catchup from their scum pt was meh and they'd need to return and blow me away for this read to change.

The active players have proven tmenselves towny for the most part.

Were not in this situation because "lol Lynch the Lurkers zomg!" Were in this situation because town players have remained active and engaged while scum players have not. Did you not consider this?[/quote]Shade while pushing shos.

In post 5510, Aristophanes wrote:Xtoxm, Flopz, Shos.

We need posts by these players before we progress.

I don't need catchups necessarily, even just engaging with a player, an Iso, or like the past 15 pages would be awesome.

Please you three, I know your V/LAs are all ending soon! I know this thread is daunting! But we can't do anything properly until you get in here!

Stall/redirect as saudade gains momentum.

In all, the sequence ends with this:

In post 5848, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: Saudade

Yeeting this vote out there

Giving Ari on-wagon cred while reason to get off if something else gains traction.

teacher · Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:49 am

In post 7685, skitter30 wrote:what were scum doing here-ish if it's ari/tris/plum?

I hadnt forgotten about this. I went back and read the context. Its already the RC and TW show. I dont think scum needed to do anything.

teacher · Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:31 pm

Saudade did say I hard claim mason soon after entry.

teacher · Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:15 am

I wouldn’t worry about that. And I see a pairing or two for ari that you don’t. Well agree to disagree but I respect your process.

teacher · Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:39 am

On the other hand, 2.8 doesn’t make much sense w the two of them iirc.

teacher · Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:40 am

But if this flips red, ya, shos is fine by me for tomorrow

teacher · Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:37 am

VOTE: nl