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Post Post #54 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:13 pm

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I don't know what the buggery is going on here, but one scum down can't be too bad, right?

mnowax: you have a nice juicy role. I don't blame you for standing your ground with it, but you lashed out twice and it was only really chance you got a scum with the second shot - Alabaska J wasn't being unreasonable, you were.

I'm pretty sure mnowax is not mafia, though - actively day-killing your partner is just way, way too big of a move for scum to do. That said, if he kills one more person without a good reason I think we
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Post Post #59 (isolation #1) » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:35 pm

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mnowax wrote:i DOt need scum to speedlynch me. i was L-1 when i killed the second time. this is such a powerhouse role for the town, and i don't want anyone to take that away from me.

in short once again.
DONT F with me
Yeah, yeah, we get it. You have the ability to kill and aren't afraid to use it.

Now listen to us: you have already killed one townie. You got
lucky
with Alabaska J. If you are pro-town, then the way you are currently using your ability is more likely to make you lose. And guess what? With great power comes great responsibility, and
you
will take a lot of the responsibility for a town loss if you keep mis-killing.

You've got a great role and I'm nigh certain you're not mafia. I don't want to lynch you. But you have
got
to calm down, stop macho-posturing and threatening people, and agree to use your ability only when the situation demands, not because someone is lookin' at you funny-like.
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Post Post #64 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:52 am

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Why did you claim Miller now, and not earlier?
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Post Post #67 (isolation #3) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:19 am

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*sigh* On past form, this kill will go through despite the retraction.

Vote: mnowax
. You brought this on yourself and are a critical threat to the town.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:20 am

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Oh, and please everyone vote ASAP. If we can get him lynched before he or the mod turns up, we can hopefully stop bloody reprisals.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #5) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:07 am

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Can we have your word that you won't make any more kills without some prior discussion?
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Post Post #75 (isolation #6) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:02 am

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Sigh. Bored of this game now.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #7) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:34 pm

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I have no idea, mnowax won't agree to stop threatening everyone with murder long enough for us to play.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:27 am

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OK, so that's proof that mnowax can legally retract his kills. mnowax, can we please have your agreement to some level of cooperation?
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Post Post #92 (isolation #9) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:42 am

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I am interested in playing this game as soon as we get assurances from mnowax that he's not going to play homicidal overlord and at least attempt to cooperate.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #10) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:13 am

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OK, but at some point in the future you may get a chance to kill again - don't respond to that, there's no need to overplay your hand if you won't, and no need to make yourself an obvious threat if you will. So,
on the basis that you will
(which may not be the case):

1) Will you agree not to kill anyone without opening it up for discussion?
2) Will you agree to take criticism and debate without resorting to threats?

Thanks.

Since we're here: why did you choose to kill the people you chose to kill? Detailed reasoning would be appreciated.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #11) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:36 am

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Not really, but at least we can proceed. Who do you think the scum are?
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Post Post #98 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:19 pm

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OK... want to provide any reasonings there?

(I'm not scum, fwiw)
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Post Post #101 (isolation #13) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:24 am

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I don't understand what I've given up on. I've been insistant that mnowax starts playing nice with the rest of the town (and risked getting vigged for it, after seeing what he did to other people), and now that he seems less trigger-happy (or is unable to kill anymore people), I'm encouraging him to share his thoughts.

So, mnowax (or Greasy Spot, since you agree), what did I give up on? Do you think I would've tempted fate after seeing Alabaska J dying if I were scum with him?
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Post Post #105 (isolation #14) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:03 pm

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mnowax wrote:
Dasquian wrote:Sigh. Bored of this game now.

ummm...what is that? i wish i had just condensed that and taken it out of context or something, but that was that entire post. you tell me when you haven't given up in that post? was there a secret code were looking for?
It's because after I hounded you to try to stop being a mass-murdering jerk, you said "who wants me to pop him?" about someone else, completely blanking my request to at least try to cooperate. Frankly it pissed me off and I considered requesting replacement at that point; you were ruining the game and you may yet.

How is that a scummy thing to do? I just don't want to play a game where one twelve-year-old lords it up because he unfortunately got dayvig powers. It's boring and stupid.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #15) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:52 pm

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ashmite84 wrote:
mnowax wrote:I no longer have vig power. it was only availible for the first two pages of this game.
STOP TALKING! :shock:
Yeah, for god's sake. mnowax, I recognise the power of a day-vig role and have tried to stop you from blowing the whole gaffe. You've responded only by accusing me off being scum for attempting to stop you shooting innocents, and by giving scum more information than they could hope for. Way to go.

Unvote: mnowax, vote: Greasy Spot
. mnowax is clearly just an impulsive townie and did, after all, net us one scum. Greasy Spot has no such excuse and is just a coattail-hanger. I reckon that after Alabaska J got day-vigged he decided to stay in mnowax's good graces and is now trying to capitalise on what he thinks might be workable bandwagons on me and DGB.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:54 am

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I asked mnowax for his opinions. He threw out two suggestions, and you immediately supported him. In a game where we have no real leads at this point, this took one player's suspect list and turned them into potential bandwagons.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:58 am

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Fair enough. I guess my vote is little better, but as it's the
only bloody vote anyone's put down
, I'll keep it there for now.

Anyone else want to, you know, make a case?
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Post Post #122 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:55 am

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So you've claimed Jester, Miller then Doctor, and each time have indicated that the mod has told you to. Want to elaborate?
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Post Post #134 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:41 pm

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3 claims in one day might not be behaviour which helps the town, but it hardly helps you if you're evil, either. My feeling is that either populartajo has some unfortunate mod-bait role which is either useful, balanced by some awkward post restriction (or is just plain sucky), OR, he's going for some crazy long-con to be unreadable.

Either way I don't think his
claims
are scummy - confusing, yes. Unhelpful, yes. A scum gambit? Probably not. I would, however, like him to provide a bit more explanation as far as he can. The thing I find scummiest about him is that he's being so mysterious about it all.
Greasy Spot wrote:How dare you come in here and call out other people for posting when you have only made 4 posts yourself. The audacity of some people.
Oh, cry me a river. Maybe he's not posted so much, but calling out the people who've posted less is still reasonable and helpful. We do have a fixed deadline (I think?)
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Post Post #137 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:52 am

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Patrick is voting Greasy Spot.

Guys, we need a bandwagon. Greasy Spot is a good one. It doesn't mean we're going to lynch him but if someone wants to suggest a different bandwagon, now's about the last chance to realistically do it.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:58 pm

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Careful now. We still have a few days and a looming deadline and sudden bandwagon aren't excuses to get silly and drop the hammer without any discussion.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:14 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:
Dasquian wrote:Guys, we need a bandwagon. Greasy Spot is a good one. It doesn't mean we're going to lynch him but if someone wants to suggest a different bandwagon, now's about the last chance to realistically do it.
Why would town call for a bandwagon on someone who is actively trying to scumhunt? I might not be right in my determinations but I don't go around and blindly vote people because nothing else is better as you said earlier.
I'm not blindly voting. I think mnowax is likely town and you are trying to get your D1 lynch from him.

You're on L-1, how do you propose getting to the end of the day alive?
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Post Post #155 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:06 pm

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For the record, I agree that the speed of the Greasy Spot wagon was worrying and that the later contributors look scummy for it.

HOWEVER

I'm keeping my vote there. We have 3 days til deadline. At deadline, there is a no lynch. There is no credible alternative bandwagon. Greasy Spot has provided no reason for me to move my vote, and I would presume my own perceived innocence here and say that by picking me to vote for, hasn't provided a credible alternative bandwagon.

Right now it looks to me like the choices are:

1) Hit deadline with no lynch.
2) Rush-lynch someone else.
3) Talk about lynching Greasy Spot and do it in the next day or two.

(1) and (2) are shockingly bad ideas. (3) isn't great - after all, he's our first real bandwagon of the game - but it's better than (1) or (2). I wish we had

4) Spend another week or so deliberating on who would be a better bandwagon then lynch them.

...but we don't, largely thanks to mnowax's antics.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:08 pm

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I would like anyone opposing the Greasy Spot wagon to explain how they would like to see this day come to an end.

At this point, just saying that the Greasy Spot bandwagon isn't good enough to join is equivalent to saying that you want to keep your hands clean of the inevitable, or go no lynch, neither of which are very pro-town.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:05 am

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Because we have a deadline in 3 days. Ordinarily I would agree with you, but no one else is realistically going to get lynched and lynching anyone is better than going no lynch.

You of all people should've been leading a charge to get one of those other people lynched. You didn't and now there's not enough time to get a satisfactory lynch on them, so you get to go instead.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:07 am

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Oh and, Greasy Spot: if you think populartajo or mnowax are scummier, why are you voting me?

You don't want to get lynched, I get that. Do you think we should go no lynch?
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Post Post #164 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:18 am

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Answer my questions, please, Greasy Spot:
Dasquian wrote:Oh and, Greasy Spot: if you think populartajo or mnowax are scummier, why are you voting me?

You don't want to get lynched, I get that. Do you think we should go no lynch?
Greasy Spot wrote:I guess you missed my post 145.
I did not. The tersely-explained votes on your bandwagon are worthy of note. However, you angrily pointing them out does not consitute a reason for me to unvote you.

You don't seem to be getting the core message here: if we don't lynch you, who
do
we lynch? Your inability to answer this simple, simple question is why, as far as I am concerned, today's lynch is you.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:24 am

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DrippingGoofBall, Nightson, Lord Hur, Vel-Rahn Koon: any one of you could hammer Greasy Spot, and if none of you do the likelihood is that we will end with no lynch.

What are your thoughts?
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Post Post #168 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:10 am

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*sigh*

Sorry you had a bad time Greasy Spot. It's just a game.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:46 am

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Excellent, his vote didn't count because he forgot to unvote me. Greasy Spot: please don't vote yourself again, it's poor sportsmanship and it doesn't help your faction, whoever you are.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #31) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:43 pm

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No lynch == lots worse than a mislynch, most of the time.
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Post Post #181 (isolation #32) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:58 am

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So what does that mean, lord_hur? Do you think he's town now? Do you think we should not lynch him?
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Post Post #186 (isolation #33) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:23 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:Let me get this straight! We are already down 1 town and 1 scum. Tonight we will most likely be down 1 more townie, maybe more depending on other roles, and your willing to lynch a claimed townie just cause you can. Absolutely ridiculous!
No, that's the game "Mafia". I want to lynch you because the town gets more information,
even if you are telling the truth
, than they do if they chicken out of lynching "because someone good might get hurt".

Pffft. Lynching is what makes the game go round and what wins it for town. A town too afraid to lynch is at the mercy of the scum, who decide who dies and when.

However, I'm not so hot on this bandwagon either anymore. I do think that if no deadline extension is forthcoming, lynching Greasy Spot is our best choice and I stand by that. I think that anyone risking us getting a "no lynch" or trying to spark up another bandwagon at this late hour would be very, very scummy. My play of the last few pages has been solely down to the fact we have a deadline.

If we get a deadline extension I think the vote-jumpers bear looking at. populartajo not so much; he's probably got a mod-bait role.
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Post Post #190 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:12 pm

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DrippingGoofball wrote:I agree that we should have an alternate wagon to Greasy Spot's - but I'm not sure ashmite is the one, I don't think his vote was
that
scummy. I'll re-read tomorrow morning and try to find something.
Um... no thanks? Not unless we get a deadline extension anyway.

Context: I was in a game which allowed half-majority lynches at deadline. I went to bed at L-1 with about 12 hours til deadline. When I woke up, four of the players had gone berserk and, over about three posts, dismantled the leading bandwagon and started a new one on someone who wasn't even present - it was almost me! They ended up lynching the tracker.

Punchline: Everyone involved was town, and the entire day had no useable information that reflected on scum at all, since the scum weren't in any way involved in the lynch. The moral is that rush-lynches at deadline are terrible,
terrible
ideas, and "last orders" for a reasonable lynch was when I called it, about three or four days ago.
Greasy Spot wrote:This is totally absurd!!! Town gets NO information from my death so lynching me helps the town in no way other than to point fingers at the leaders of my bandwagon.
Rubbish. If you die and flip scum, we'll be able to look at who was on your bandwagon and decide if any of them were bussing you. If you die and flip town, we'll be able to look at who was on your bandwagon and decide if any of them were scum. For example, your ashmite case may get more attention tomorrow if you flip town, or may not, but if it does it'll be with the knowledge of your alignment.

[quqote="Greasy Spot"]A town that lynches with no logic is a scum led town and will not lead to a town win.[/quote]Believe it or not I have logic behind your bandwagon:

1) Attempting to decry mnowax as "likely town" despite the fact he killed scum.
2) Quickly following mnowax's "Dasquian and DGB" suspicion with no real explanation.
3) Attempting to get populartajo lynched for his three claims. That felt like you weren't scum-hunting so much as easy-lynch-hunting.

You know what? That case isn't brilliant, but I was more than happy with it for a first serious D1 bandwagon. Shame that the deadline means it was also the only one we got, but
that's
why it's you and
that's
why I'm sticking with it.

Also, please don't put your replies inside people's quote blocks, it's horrible to read.
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Post Post #192 (isolation #35) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:19 pm

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Huh. What a magnaminous gift ;) 24 hours extension is not, in my eyes, enough time to seriously put someone new under pressure and get sufficient feedback to decide to either lynch them or return to Greasy Spot.

Thanks BM, but if we could have something like a week that would be more useful :)
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Post Post #195 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:37 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:My comments are in Bold.

Dasquian wrote:
Greasy Spot wrote: Also, please don't put your replies inside people's quote blocks, it's horrible to read.
Happy to oblige.
Gee, thanks for being a total tool about it.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #37) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:57 am

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I am not onboard with any course of action that might cost us our lynch.
Nor am I onboard with any course of action that puts a potential cop or doctor in the noose 30 minutes before deadline.

RUSH-LYNCHES ARE BAD NEWS FOR THE TOWN. I cannot stress this enough.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #38) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:34 am

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...this isn't a rush-lynch.
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Post Post #214 (isolation #39) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:10 am

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NO.

NO.

Bad DGB. This is a terrible idea, and entirely the wrong time to suggest it. You just got ramped up my suspicion list.

Everyone else not voting GS, I trust you to ensure we don't lose our lynch.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #40) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:15 am

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It's not about being able to do it, it's about it being a
terrible fucking idea
. What if populartajo is a power-role who is forced by the mod to false-claim to get his powers? What if he claims this in 18 hours time? Who will unvote then, with 5 hours to deadline?

What if he is that role
and doesn't log in in the next 23 hours
?

RUSH-LYNCHES ARE TERRIBLE IDEAS FOR THE TOWN.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #41) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:16 am

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Greasy Spot wrote:
Dasquian wrote:...this isn't a rush-lynch.

Post 132 Patrick votes
Post 140 populartajo votes
Post 141 mnowax votes
Post 142 ashmite84 votes


You could have fooled me.
Rush-lynches aren't bandwagons that appear quickly. They're bandwagons that appear out of desperation at the end of a deadlined day.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #42) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:20 am

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I'd also like anyone entertaining the idea of a rush-lynch to read this game here:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7874

Eight fucking hours
before the deadline of day 1, a few townies managed to dismantle the highly-informative L-1 wagon on a townie (which had scum on it) and reconstruct a 4-person bandwagon on the tracker (which had only townies on it and which hardly anyone, including all the scum, had had chance to comment on one way or the other).
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Post Post #224 (isolation #43) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:28 am

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More than populartajo's will be.

Greasy Spot's bandwagon has now been debated and defended against for a good week or so, and tells a fair amount about myself and others on the bandwagon, and you and others who have chosen not to be on the bandwagon (at this point at least).

If populartajo gets run up in the next day or so, you may very well only be able to draw conclusions on the few people who got in in time to drop their votes on him, and if scum happen just not to be online in the next 23 hours or so - free pass for them! For the record, I think populartajo's claiming is not a good reason to vote for him because it makes no sense for him to do that as scum.

The rush-lynch in Mini 578 was not bad luck (though granted, that game was different in that it allowed half-majority lynches at deadline). It was stupidity. Let's not "get unlucky" here too.
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Post Post #227 (isolation #44) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:33 am

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So, OMGUS then?
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Post Post #229 (isolation #45) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:40 am

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I'm attached to a GS vote and have been since the start of the week when it became clear we didn't have the momentum and time to get another viable lynch. If we didn't have a deadline I probably would've moved my vote a couple of days ago.
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Post Post #231 (isolation #46) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:44 am

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Probably ashmite84.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #47) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:07 am

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You just aren't listening, Greasy Spot.

The deadline changes everything.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #48) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:42 am

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For the record, I want to draw everyone back to my post 137 on Sunday:
Dasquian wrote:Patrick is voting Greasy Spot.

Guys, we need a bandwagon. Greasy Spot is a good one. It doesn't mean we're going to lynch him but if someone wants to suggest a different bandwagon, now's about the last chance to realistically do it.
This was before mnowax and ashmite took him to four votes: at this stage I think we could've possibly found a contender wagon but Greasy OMGUS-voted me instead, and got no support. By tuesday (pre-extension) I think the time for an alternative bandwagon had passed without a viable contender emerging, hence my post 155. That's why we're in the situation we're in now.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:02 am

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Deadline in about 2 hours... someone hammer GS,
please
?
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Post Post #250 (isolation #50) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:00 am

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10 days is not a lot of time, but it is plenty to come up with a few good bandwagon targets and pick one if we are quick about it. I don't want a repeat of Greasy Spot's bandwagon where we just got to the real discussion slightly too close to the deadline.

Vote: ashmite84
- your vote on Greasy Spot looked like a quiet attempt to get an easy lynch during deadline, and while others were actively debating it, you kept out of sight.
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Post Post #252 (isolation #51) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:16 am

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Anyone know what "Screwball" might mean? I've never heard of such a role before.
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Post Post #256 (isolation #52) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:13 pm

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Putting it on record that I don't like mnowax following my vote
again
.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #53) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:14 am

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I could go with a Nightson bandwagon too.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #54) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:47 am

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I think it's very likely that there are two anti-town groups - almost inevitable, in fact, since DGB (apparently anti-town) was "sloppily eaten", which sounds like a separately-aligned bad guy did the killing to me.

Mafia and werewolves seems most likely; I still don't know where that puts DGB, though.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:10 am

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lord_hur wrote:
Dasquian wrote:Mafia and werewolves seems most likely; I still don't know where that puts DGB, though.
Hmm that's strange that you say that... if we're assuming mafia+werewolves, how would DGB not be mafia, since (still under this assumption) she would have been eaten by a werewolf ? I kinda doubt there would be 3 anti-town groups for a 12-player game.
That's why I don't understand. She clearly wasn't aligned with the sloppy eaters, implying mafia, but I don't know what "Screwball" means, or does. Perhaps it was a mafia power-role, perhaps she had nominal membership but her own agenda? It's hard to say.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #56) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:52 pm

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In what way did I act scummy?

How do you respond to the allegations that you held back and bandwagonned Greasy Spot without sticking your neck out?
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Post Post #268 (isolation #57) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:32 pm

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A day with no dialogue. 10% of our day, wasted.

We're coming up to a third of the entire gone - I'm currently pushing an ashmite bandwagon and, if in four days time with only three or four days left on the clock, there are no credible alternatives, I'm going to do exactly what I did yesterday. I don't want to do this, hence this post.

This
is the time everyone should be building their bandwagons, so we can actually talk about them and pick one before the deadline hits. If you don't, the deadline's still going to hit and there'd better be no whining when the only plausible lynch is ashmite.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #58) » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:16 pm

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We only
deserve
it if we are active enough. ;)

ashmite, please answer my questions - if your bandwagon is a bad one, I want to know that while there's still time to pick a new one.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:10 am

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Thanks for the answers - I did defend against those elsewhere but I'll do them again for convenience.

1. It looked like were all going to get murdered for speaking out against mnowax. It was a very rare case in which knowingly lynching a townie appeared to be better for the town than it would be for scum. That changed when he stopped killing.

2. This was just frustration about mnowax's attitude. At that point, it felt like we were all on mnowax's powertrip instead of playing Mafia.

3. The GS bandwagon was pretty rubbish, but no one else presented a different one til very late on in the day. It's possible that the alternate lynches that were touted were scum, but we didn't have the breathing room to find out if they were good lynches or not
and still get a decent lynch if they were not
. Basically if we'd tried to run you up in the last couple of days of D1, we'd have had no time to decide if it was a good idea or not - it'd have been a blind lynch and therefore worse than lynching GS.

Part of Mafia
is
debating multiple viewpoints though which is why we need the potential suspects on the table now, so everyone has a chance to pick as best they can before time becomes a factor. Thanks for posting.

Nightson... you've had four days, finished recalibrating to DGBscum yet?
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Post Post #277 (isolation #60) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:39 pm

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In this particular game I am more inclined to move my vote to Nightson than ashmite simply because of our two opportunistic lurkers, at least ashmite has attempted to lay out her suspicions.

Unvote ashmite84, vote Nightson


I'll switch my vote over to secure a lynch at deadline but Nightson should definitely be feeling the pressure enough to post something substantial.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #61) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:40 pm

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Mod, vote-count please? I think there's only three of us voting (2 on Nightson, 1 on ashmite?) but I could be wrong.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #62) » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:17 am

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Currently I think a Nightson lynch is the best option, but considering he needs a prod and possibly a replacement:

Mod:
could we have a deadline extension (preferably of a few days) please to allow Nightson or his replacement to respond to his votes?
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Post Post #283 (isolation #63) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:13 am

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Well, deadline is in 2 days, so...

Yeah, deadline in two days everyone. Any interest in getting a lynch? Catching scum? Anyone?
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Post Post #290 (isolation #64) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:13 pm

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Unvote: remussaidow
. No need for him to be at L-1 right now.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #65) » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:55 pm

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remussaidow wrote:The cases on Ashmite and me are because of what now? Seriously, I can't tell what the case against me is about. Ashmite's I think is because he looks mildly scummy and that's better than anything else we have to go on? I wouldn't be thrilled with an Ashmite lynch on a full day time table, but if we're deadlined I can get behind it just for the sake of not having a better target.
Nightson has been lurking up a storm. Speaking for myself, if you continue to post at this rate, that'll be a completely invalid case.

ashmite has been scummier - a "me too" attitude, and general failure to contribute meaningfully to the game (while happily jumping a townie bandwagon).
remussaidow wrote:UNLESS Mnowax is on the gallows.
Do you think mnowax is actually scum, then? Do you think we should be voting him?

btw he already claimed a kill restriction.

I'm also very, very unhappy about the way he keeps following my votes. mnowax, if you're a townie, do us a favour and contribute some of your own thoughts.
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Post Post #303 (isolation #66) » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:58 am

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We're all stupid, mnowax. Tell us why.
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Post Post #305 (isolation #67) » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:24 pm

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No, you're just a smelly player.

Honestly, put some effort in. You're dragging the game down in about every way you can.
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Post Post #309 (isolation #68) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:28 am

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Heh, I had my post edited by someone. I don't begrudge it, since I wasn't being particularly pleasant, but for the sake of clarity, I used a somewhat less complimentary term than "lovely".

mnowax: I tend to believe you got a townie role with a curveball power. However, you have a really
lovely
attitude when it comes to cooperating with everyone. You used your role to terrorise the town and now you're wasting time again when we really don't have a lot.

Please, if you're townie, you can still help the town: tell us what you think, why you think it, and after all those "reactions" you gave us, don't just sit there and proclaim your job done. Tell us who the scum are and why. If you think I'm scum, move the game forwards by voting me and explaining your reasoning. If you don't want to do that, pick someone else.

Right now I'm torn between an ashmite vote, mostly because of his bandwagon vote on GS and because Nightson's replacement has been quite useful, and a mnowax vote, because although I tend to edge towards "townie", there's only so far I can overlook the facts of someone following every single one of my votes (yet still calling me out to be scum), not contributing anything, and actively stalling the game when we have limited time.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #69) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:58 am

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I don't think ashmite is actively stalling: in fact I unvoted him when, faced with him and your predecessor as two possible lurker-scums, he piped up with some reasonable defence. However, you are much chattier than your predecessor, and ashmite hasn't been, so my vote may return for its original reason - that he jumped the GS bandwagon quietly.

It's
mnowax
I believe is "actively stalling", in that he's getting narky and wasting time with "why don't you figure it out?" responses to questions, when we're under deadline. That's greatly extending the amount of time it takes to talk with him, which is punishing to the deadlined-town and furthermore really,
really
unhelpful considering I'm not hugely keen on lynching him for any other reason than his ongoing hinderance to the scum-hunting effort.

Of the other people: only Vel-Rahn Koon and ashmite84 are lurking, really:
Vel-Rahn Koon, on Tuesday wrote:Sorry noon isn't going to happen, my boss is having a cow about a project we need to get done. Hopefully tonight/tomorrow.
ashmite84's last post was last friday, so I'm going back to voting him:
vote: ashmite84
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Post Post #313 (isolation #70) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:25 am

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No, I mean that Nightson was being pilloried for lurking and when he got replaced it proved that he wasn't lurking: he was actually gone. Thus the "Nightson is avoiding attention!" case evaporated as remussaidow replaced in and proved himself to be rather chatty.

What's your point here?
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Post Post #317 (isolation #71) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:46 am

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Let me break it down then:

"I don't think ashmite is actively stalling:" - in response to remus' implication that I was saying that he was.

"in fact I unvoted him when, faced with him and your predecessor as two possible lurker-scums, he piped up with some reasonable defence." - hope this bit makes sense. Nightson and ashmite were lumped together, and ashmite took the pressure off of himself by posting what looked to be reasonable. This meant that ashmite stopped being my first-choice and I focussed on Nightson.

"However, you are much chattier than your predecessor," - as written, remus is a better poster than Nightson.

"and ashmite hasn't been," - as written, ashmite has stopped contributing for a week

"so my vote may return for its original reason - that he jumped the GS bandwagon quietly." - the conclusion being that because the relative activity levels of Nightson and ashmite had an effect on where my vote was, this table-turning caused by Nightson being replaced by a much more active player meant that my original first-choice is now my first-choice again.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #72) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:46 am

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Battle Mage wrote:
Dasquian wrote:Heh, I had my post edited by someone. I don't begrudge it, since I wasn't being particularly pleasant, but for the sake of clarity, I used a somewhat less complimentary term than "lovely".
Happy now? :P rofl

BM
You are a lovely mod ;)
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Post Post #320 (isolation #73) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:15 pm

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Afraid not. I do respect you at least taking a real stand, but please answer me this: if you thought I was scum back in day one for "giving up", how come you have been echoing my votes? You followed me in voting Greasy Spot, ashmite and then Nightson. Surely if you really do suspect me so much, you wouldn't have been so keen to follow my lead?
mnowax, post 141, wrote:
vote : Greasy spot


we jsut need to get this day over with honestly.
mnowax, post 253, wrote:i have an idea it is a scumgroup.

vote: ashmite84
i have to agree with you
mnowax, post 284, wrote:ill do a nightson lynch, while once again, we are without any real evidence.

Unvote, Vote Nightson
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Post Post #323 (isolation #74) » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:31 am

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So we've got a little under 14 hours til deadline, and a few people at L-2 (or who have been at L-2 recently, I think?). I'm going to leave my vote on ashmite because I think he's the best play today, but will be back tomorrow morning before the deadline to see if I need to do an emergency vote-shift.

A combination of lurkers and harsh deadlines has resulted in a game where I don't feel like I'm doing scum-hunting as much as trying to avoid losing our lynches :(
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Post Post #328 (isolation #75) » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:20 pm

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Patrick, myself, remus and you are all voting ashmite. That should be a lynch, I think?
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #76) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:05 am

Post by Dasquian »

Well, I enjoyed my time in this game though I don't feel like I can claim any credit for the victory since the only similarity between the game I was playing and the one which ended was the mod ;)

Still, it was great fun! Getting NKed by two scum-groups and thus preventing a kill is the doctor sort of doing his job, right?
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