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beeboy · Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:17 pm

Hey hey Votato
Hey hey Raya
Hey hey Maxwell

Hey hey new friends

o/

beeboy · Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:13 am

Sooo what's up?

beeboy · Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:20 am

I hate being too jaded to react to that seriously.
=(

VOTE: votato

It would be really funny if we got votato to L-1

beeboy · Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:51 pm

I mean last game I was both NU and had a public mechanic to talk about. Not to mention I could debate those stances with the people who wanted to fight me on it.

This game I have... whatever this is?
And these reads on me for not RVSing which I can't take seriously lol

beeboy · Post Post #38 (isolation #5) » Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:56 pm

Elsa is a cheery high energy individual and I hate how they haven't posted yet.

Raya is my only town read her thoughts come from town even if they aren't right I think the aggro is townie. dsjstr is townie for his energy.

Maybe votato but the weakest of the 3 scum would let this game stall and stay dead but votato strikes me as someone to want cred to take charge
I am leaning town because I still think doing this as scum is a mistake.

vote: Elsa

beeboy · Post Post #80 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:14 am

Add a comma after 3, votato is town along with my other reads. That sentence makes sense with the comma

I wish I could take that dumb tell but I don't think I can in good faith.

beeboy · Post Post #83 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:19 am

In post 63, Raya36 wrote:
In post 37, beeboy wrote:I mean last game I was both NU and had a public mechanic to talk about. Not to mention I could debate those stances with the people who wanted to fight me on it.

This game I have... whatever this is?
And these reads on me for not RVSing which I can't take seriously lol
Why can't you take the reads seriously? Rvs is an important phase to start a game off

I can't in good faith fake a reaction for the sake of the game
Since I feel like I'd just be lying for town cred.

If it was another player sure but votato is smart enough to know that read is legit.

beeboy · Post Post #84 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:20 am

In post 82, Raya36 wrote:Do you still scumread Elsa?

She still isn't playing but I'll believe her site wide break statement

beeboy · Post Post #85 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:20 am

In post 81, votato wrote:
In post 80, beeboy wrote:Add a comma after 3, votato is town along with my other reads. That sentence makes sense with the comma

I wish I could take that dumb tell but I don't think I can in good faith.
well explain what you were thinking then. why ddid you think there was a neighborhood? why would you think im in it? who would the other members be?

I said that???

beeboy · Post Post #87 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:33 am

I held the expectation for Elsa to do more, I know nothing of battle mage so he got a pass because of it.

He also had the "why aren't people voting me" post which I mildly dig.

beeboy · Post Post #95 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:59 am

In post 94, Yukino wrote:
In post 88, Raya36 wrote:What is it you like about that post? I didnt find it particularly AI
I like those RVS please vote me posts, I won't hold that read all game but I also am fine with it on page 4.

I hate alts

beeboy · Post Post #126 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:12 pm

UNVOTE:

I don't scum read Elsa as much anymore. I just don't have another scum read to role with, it isn't to do with the above post it's just I am starting to think her not being here at the start of the game is justified.

beeboy · Post Post #129 (isolation #13) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:33 am

@mod he got banned, viewtopic.php?p=11953996&f=4#p11953996

beeboy · Post Post #143 (isolation #14) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:48 pm

*inhales*
*exhales*

beeboy · Post Post #150 (isolation #15) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:59 pm

In post 147, Elsa Jay wrote:I was telling you an out of game opinion. I like it when people pick nice avis. Let's me see their personalities.

What does my avatar tell you about my personality?

beeboy · Post Post #152 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:19 pm

beeboy · Post Post #153 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:21 pm

In post 120, maxwell wrote:
In post 104, dsjstr wrote:If any scum were on my wagon it would probably more likely be BM for being opportunistic but lets put pressure on Max
You think he's more likely to be scum but are voting me because...I deserve to be pressured? Wouldn't it make more sense to pressure your scumread? What are you hoping to accomplish here?

This is why RVS sucks, the game has had all the energy of a fat elderly cat on a hot summer day for the first 4 pages. I was hoping to wait it out until there was something more substantial but it seems like that's unlikely to happen on its own so I'll work with what I've got. Most of the people in this game are varying degrees of scummy, not much in the way of solid townreads.

beeboy
- Townreads in 38 feel like they come a bit too easy and the vote on elsa feels lazy, a push toward an inactive player rather than scrutinizing people who have actually posted.

dsjstr
- bizarre, overemotional, defensive response to what has really been very minor prodding on my end, 59 has a bit of "why me" to it, lot of complaining about other people but not much in the way of atempts at engagement with them. Maybe I'm a bit tunneled but have a hard time seeing this as a town reaction.

votato
- mostly fillery which is to be expected from early game but 33 + 35 is a weird ask for page 2 as if it's possible to have a list of reads, looks like a forced to attempt to look town by asking a serious question early, but never has any real followup to this so it seems like he didn't much actually care what people said in response. scum lean here but I guess we have to wait to see how the replacement does.

raya36
- I like the way she's shown a seriousness to her approach to the game and is trying to ask meaningful questions. The reasoning in 67/68 looks like a believable town mindset of someone trying to scumhunt as well as the way she interrogated beeboy.

elsa jay
- basically nothing so far but I somewhat like the admission of just wanting to follow someone in 90, feels more likely someone would admit this as town than as scum. current push on her feels like low hanging fruit.

battle mage
- almost everything posted so far reads null, disagree with the push on elsa but the conviction behind it is believable from the way he's doing it.

testarossa
- I don't really like how waffle-y her posts get, in 46 and 47 for instance she ultimately just says something to the effect of "could go either way." 109 rubs me the wrong way with the jump on Elsa Jay.

At this point I suspect half the people in the game, so I'm going to ask everyone a question to try to get some substance in here:

@beeboy:
What is your read on dsjstr?

@dsjstr:
What is your read on Testarossa?

@raya36:
What is your read on Elsa Jay?

@elsa jay:
What is your read on Battle Mage?

@battle mage:
What is your read on beeboy?

@testarossa:
Why does Raya36 look town to you?

Am I the only one that finds this post incredibly scummy btw?

beeboy · Post Post #154 (isolation #18) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:22 pm

VOTE: maxwell

beeboy · Post Post #156 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:04 pm

In post 155, maxwell wrote:Go ahead and explain it to me, tough guy.

I have 3 reasons to dislike that post, I wanna see if anyone else is able to see what I see.
I'll explain in 24 hours if no one plays my low quality games with me.

beeboy · Post Post #167 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:02 am

What part of that is mildly town indicative?

beeboy · Post Post #169 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:24 am

I found your issue, you didn't read it.

Every single read is non committal to some degree, the only town degree is on Raya so he is leaving himself open to push every other player.
The questions at the bottom of the post aren't followed up on.
The question at the bottom aren't related to the blurb about the player a large portion of the time.

It's the definition of a high effort easy to make scum post. Idk I think it's impossible to read that post and think its a town post with some kind of purpose. Town would be aware they scum read everyone but one player and make some note on it, town would follow up on questions, town questions would line up with their thoughts. None of that is happening.

Scum team is Maxwell and Elsa, easy game.

beeboy · Post Post #171 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:03 am

It's ok when Maxwell flips scum we can solve the game through mechanics like all good mafia games B)

beeboy · Post Post #211 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:11 pm

I've been skimming the game but I don't feel like going back so I am going to respond to things on memory.

So I think someone said Maxwell wouldn't do that as scum and how that post comes from town? I kind of disagree, in the last game I played with him he had stronger stances and just approached the game in a far more calculated and consistent way. He was globally scum read in that game and remained pretty calm while in this game it feels like he is flipping out on me despite me being the only player to pressure him. It just doesn't make sense to me, I don't see why he would just throw the great game he played last time away to play like this?? Both games were micros as well so I don't think it's a setting issue...

beeboy · Post Post #212 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:13 pm

VOTE: Elsa Jay L-1

Fine we won't get Maxwell.

beeboy · Post Post #213 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:16 pm

I'll be honest it's just the setting that is making me solve at my current volume relative to the high volume from before.
The more slots I can zone out while still pushing scum reads the easier for me.

I've never been one to pride myself to read an entire playerlist, I tend to read 40-50% of the players and just let the game work itself out as we get more flips. In a game of this size that just doesn't work, not to mention I kind of just play micros as a more relaxing environment and I do think I am solving to a good degree? I just don't like being in the drivers seat every single game.

beeboy · Post Post #214 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:22 pm

I guess there is just only so much I can do in the given climate? I have 2 scum reads Elsa and Maxwell.
I have 3 strong town reads, Votato, you and Battle Mage.

With those 5 reads alone only Nash and Testerossas are left.
I only have so much I can be doing right now...

beeboy · Post Post #237 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:09 am

In post 225, Testarossa wrote:
In post 214, beeboy wrote:I guess there is just only so much I can do in the given climate? I have 2 scum reads Elsa and Maxwell.
I have 3 strong town reads, Votato, you and Battle Mage.

With those 5 reads alone only Nash and Testerossas are left.
I only have so much I can be doing right now...
Weren't you also townreading dsjstr? Just forgot about him or changed your read there in some way?

I am self aware I was town reading him but I forgot why so I don't really town read him anymore.

beeboy · Post Post #280 (isolation #28) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:51 am

good job vig very cool.

beeboy · Post Post #283 (isolation #29) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:01 am

I don't like the idea to mass claim while we are still in evens.
I am open to no lynching then mass claiming or just playing this phase normally.

Although you guys can do what you want.

beeboy · Post Post #315 (isolation #30) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:42 am

VT

I believe all claims which means we just win I think

beeboy · Post Post #316 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:43 am

We win even if we kill me for clarification.
On review I wouldn't believe the battle mage claim but he is conf town

beeboy · Post Post #326 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:17 am

Ya do it coward.

beeboy · Post Post #335 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:18 am

Tbh if Maxwell was a villa then I"d have played like total dog this game >__>
Ayy lmao I'll take medium play.

beeboy · Post Post #336 (isolation #34) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:23 am

In post 333, osuka wrote:
This was my first time modding a game on MS - please let me know how I did!

Could I have done something better? Did I do something well? Did I do something badly? How did you guys like the flavor? Tell me about it!

Vote count images make the thread look pretty and I like that.

I feel the setup was town sided but I guess the reviewers disagreed.
I don't like putting doctors along side other strong power roles in small games, it makes the night game too difficult for mafia.

beeboy · Post Post #339 (isolation #35) » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:46 am

Balancing micros is incredibly hard because swing goes up when a game only has 2-3 night phases.
So the small oversight on balance combined with good actions resulted in this

2 powerful roles with no other roles to me is mini balance to me. Scum had full info day 2 and couldn't interact, but with a roleblocker from the start I think the game is scum favored since their is only 5 people to choose from for 2 power roles (assuming a day 1 mislynch)
Given the other roles in a mini would be filler like neighbors or other things that do nothing.

Tough to balance can't say I'd do better.