Farside wins the thread for OMGUSing a random vote across games.Because it is now my new tradition when I see you in a game to vote for you. Razz
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He hadn't responded to the mass claim issue, and I wanted to force him to. I felt the reaction I got from him would be more indicative (if there was a significant one) then that from a less experienced player, who could oppose the claim on a non-scummy, more so ignorant basis.So why did you pick Goat to go next for claim?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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You seem to underestimate the non-randomness of random voting, especially in this set up.I just dont see what an overanalysis of the first three pages of votes will accomplish at this point that simple scumhunting cant, I dont think many if any have even cast something more then a random. Ususally voting history doesnt even come into play as concrete evidence untill late in the game.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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What about the fact that as the uninformed majority, scum hunting gives the town more information with which to make good decisions about lynching and increases those odds?What about when it gives you a 60% chance to win?
I'd like to rephrase my comment though: When the majority is uninformed, random lynching is always bad. In an informed majority game (AITP), it is good as it gives less info to the uninformed minority.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I missed that your post was only in response to Jebus's proposal of the idea, and thought you propogated the idea. That makes things a lot simpler though, as only one player is guilty of the offense.I assume this is directed at me. Where did I suggest we shouldn't scum hunt?
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Farside: I don't think the mafia would explicitly discuss the game being nightless any more then a lover pair would. If its anything its a town tell, but its a pretty weak one at best.
Which parts exactly make you feel that?Adel wrote: this really reads to me like the work of a newbie with 62 total game posts who doesn't quite understand the setup. What is scummy about a mistaken newbie having a horrible idea?
Since when did anyone say it was a large plot?my lover's single post. defintely a sign of a genius scum plot to convince the town to random-lynch itself into extinction.
I think there is something to be gained from the OF-Llama argument. Not sure what right now, but I'm going to read it a bit closer and see if I can figure it out.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I was.Unless you were ready to lynch Jebus and 3fj before Abel replaced in
Thats not an issue here. I don't care why they left, just what they did before then.Because they cannot defend why Jebus and probably 3fj left the game.
Sure. I agree, but thats not a reason to drop all suspicion of them.I feel that what Abel and a potential 3fj replacement say and do are more useful because they can defend themselves.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Appeal to emotion.I hope that you don't mind that I'm writng this with anger for it pains me that I see all these false arguments about the ones who Adel and I have replaced, while you weren't searching for the real scum.
Quoting communication w/ other players = mod killable offense.And if you say again that this is a false message, then ask me for the link. I'm confident enough to give to you. I believe that if you'd ask the other players, four of them won't give their link. For those who don't know who I'm talking about, I'm talking about the scum.
I have updated the second bullet point of the rues to make this clear - Mod.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Those 2 points were pretty much the whole of your post.You seem to be scared, armlx. Is this everything you have to say after my long post? Appeal to emotion and a warning.
And lol's at the trying to apply emotion to my posts in an attempt to make them look scummy.
Without any other alignment reveals, I didn't feel there was enough information to go off from it.You're one of those who said he was going to read Llama-OF's discussion to see if there were any hints. What happened to that?
Because those actions are easily the scummiest in the game by far, and 90% of the other actions in the game revolve around the results of this wagon?Why are you only going into the Adel case, while there are 10 more ppl to investigate?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Adel posted a summary. You were going to post a link.If you aren't scared then explain why the only thing you said was a warning about the link. When the chat first was mentioned by adel there were many who quoted it and made bold parts of the arguments they saw as suspicious.
To put it into context, summarizing your role in a normal game is ok. Copy Pasting the PM to the thread is not.
For extra WIFOMy goodness.And tell me why adel would leave things like 'I'll go after kloud' or 'early role claim would make us a target' in the message, but left 'the other two scum' out of it. If she wanted to give the message an innocent look, she would have erased those as well. This part is for CK as well.
Because the discussion looks deliberate and scum oriented.I also thought that IC's of newbie games would look more closely when it could be a newbie talking. At least that's what I notice most of the times. Don't you do that in newbie games? If you don't, why not? If you do, why not here?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Lost the questions in the end of page.
I'm assuming the game ends there, but if it doesn't this wagon is a shit load of info.Besides if this game has been 90% about Jebus, 3fj, Adel and me then what are you going to do after we get lynched? Then you'll look into other people with only one day left here. Isn't that risky?
Deliberate pre-game planning, false analysis, etc, but mainly the fact he had someone else to talk to pre-game. Also, I do see them as newbie, but still scummy and not excusable to newbiness.Also how come you don't see Jebus actions as newbie?
I didn't want to see it. The scenario ends in 1 of 2 ways: I am right, and you threatening to post it as such does nothing major, or I am wrong, and you posting that leads to mod kill + possible other consequences.First of all, if I wanted to post the link I would have done it in that post. You took it serious and told that it isn't allowed to do so. To me this appears as if you don't want to see the chat, while others reacted to it when Adel posted the text. Back then, you didn't give any comments as well. Only to a thing Caboose has said.
And if it was WIFOM, then tell me why Adel didn't use it.
Actually, of every newbie game I have IC'ed or modded, I can only think of 1 scenario off the top of my head where a newbie town got lynched for dumb behavior that was specifically newbish. Compare to 2-3 where newb scum got the same treatment. I usually let small things slide with newbies to be fair, but Jebus's proposition was head and shoulders above small.Now comes the part where you didn't give an aswer to. Don't you look carefully at newbies in newbie games? How many times is there a newbie killed, because he looked scummy, while he was actually making newbie mistakes? If you don't look into it, why not? If you do, why not here?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Someone not voting you who has expressed they don't like your actions. Jahudo comes to mind, esp. because Caboose hasn't posted in a while. My experience with EmpKing also would imply that he is also a possible partner given GR expressing similar behavior towards you.If Adel and I are scum then who are our partners?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Besides armlx, don't you get worried now that there's only one vote needed to lynch adel. You know that you're going to be targeted when the others see we were town?
You say these things like you think I don't think you are scum. Scare tactics aren't going to push my vote away.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Adel:
It might, it might not. They set up the newbie excuse on those 2 and the experienced pair fends off attacks like none other.Why would scum group two newbies together for the claimed lover pair? Wouldn't it make much more sense for one experienced player to be paired with on inexperienced player?
Possibly not. Possibly they thought people could buy into it.With four players in the scum group, wouldn't one of them have enough experience to point out the flaws to 3jf and Jebus that their plan was riddled with?
Except you are scum and we win. I can do that pre-empting outcomes thing really well too, see?
Seriously, when I am lynched and proven to be town, where is that going to leave the rest of the town?
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Actually no.Don't worry armlx, I know. Appeal to emotion according to you.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Tunnel vision is a bad thing. This is not tunnel vision, as you have actually done something scummy. Tunnel vision most often applies when a person thinks something that isn't a scum tell is, and attacks based on that and responses to that attack.I'm not dismissing it. But now that you have reacted, do you agree with tunnle vision or not?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I think Emp responded, but I wanted to say that not pro-town != scummy always.And armlx, at post 273 you say something about a comment. Can we hear it now or does it still have to wait?
Jahudo has been waffling on Adel/Jebus all game. Me no like. Supports the Caboose + Adel team theory.
Vote Adelas I said post diagram.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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You definitely were pressuring Jebus lightly early on after his posts.
What do you mean by waffling? That I don't support the Adel/Jebus wagon but have not found a different place for my vote? I don't think that means I could justifiably put my vote on Adel/Jebus without something new happening with Adel or Mana that I perceive as scummy. Yes, I'm not 100% sure on them, but I am much more confidant that this is a mis-lynch.
I can vouch for the Empking doesn't really think much thing based on a different, ongoing game.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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