BROKEN SETUP! GAME OVER! 651

[Crazy]

/confirm

If I'm scum I shall kill you all!

[Crazy]

ZZ... are there 3 goons + a godfather or 2 goons + a godfather?

[Crazy]

Mmkay, I'm not the godfather then. I was gonna kill kabenon.

I don't really know where to go from here... even in a mass-results-claim a bunch of people would probably lie. And the godfather probably has a good idea of who he is.

[Crazy]

Well, obviously I can't prove it to you guys, but

I

know that I'm not the godfather because my target wasn't killed.

[Crazy]

Then why did you feel the need to say it?

*shrug* I dunno. Just some random first post speculation. I wasn't trying to "clear" myself or anything. I'm not even positive that I'm not scum myself (although I doubt it).

[Crazy]

2. Saying "I am not trying to clear myself by stating that I am not the Godfather."- Then why did you say it? What motive (pardon the pun) could you possibly have in saying that except to clear yourself?

I'm sorry, but do you need to have a reason for everything you say

in your first post?

Obviously I knew it couldn't clear me, why would I think it would?

[Crazy]

You still did not answer why you said it. You must have had a reason, be it a joke, (which I doubt, because you used the excuse that you weren't trying to clear yourself in a later post instead of saying it in the same post, which would have made sense if you had meant it as a joke) or hoping that we would just assume... yeah, his choice wasn't killed... not the Godfather.

Umm... I was just speculating, since at the beginning my identity is as secret to me as everyone else's. Seriously, I have no idea how this was blown up to this proportion.

[Crazy]

Fine, I'll just come out and say it:

I investigated Skitzer last night. It appears we are

not

on the same side. As well, someone contacted me and told me that I

am

on their side, and they told me another name that was on "our" side.

If they are both telling the truth, then that means that all three of us are town, because all of us said that our godfather-kill didn't go through.

So either one or both of these people PMing me are lying, or Skitzer is scum.

Vote: Skitzer

[Crazy]

Yeah, the third in our threesome is Jshark.

[Crazy]

I had PMed skitzer and lied, telling him that I was on the same team at him, just on the hope that he'd send me his sense information. But he never responded. I'm also in two other games with him, and he hasn't posted in those for a while either. I didn't really want to claim until he responded, but since you guys were so set on lynching me over semantics, I determined that it was necessary.

[Crazy]

Kabenon and Verbal make valid points, I guess. When you sense someone and they're not on your side, I think that means there's a 50% chance that you are scum.

[Crazy]

This is like that Monty Hall problem thingy... so that's why I must not get it.

[Crazy]

Oh well. I sensed Crazy, they was on my team.

That doesn't make any sense in any situation. Unless if I'm bussing you, but I wouldn't do that in a no-reveal game.

[Crazy]

Vote: iLord

I sensed Hitogoroshi. He is

not

on my team.

So let's lynch iLord today, Hitogoroshi tomorrow, and then we win.

[Crazy]

Yes, this setup is hard on the scum. I know when ZZ originally posted this on the Mini Theme Queue he had it as 4 scum instead of 3. I think that might have worked better.

[Crazy]

Did you miss yesterday?

Sensed Porkens. He's on my team.

Vote: Hitogoroshi

. He is the last scum, as proven by yesterday. Let's do a quick-lynch so we can all get another free mini slot.

[Crazy]

Come on guys, LYNCH DA SCUM. We only need 2 more votes to lynch!

[Crazy]

I'm fairly sure most people here have left the site:

1. Crazy - I'm here, of course.
3. Shepherd_of_Wolves - last post Sept. 22.
5. Jshark - last post Sept. 2.
7. hitogoroshi - last post Sept. 30
8. kabenon007 - last post Sept. 24.
11. Bogre - last post Aug. 20.
12. Musher333 - last post Sept. 1

[Crazy]

Actually the setup is "uninformed majority with a lynch vs. uninformed minority with a NK."

And all the town are cops once they find out that they are town.

So it's still broken.

I still like the concept very much, though I have no idea how you would fix this setup.

[Crazy]

Actually the setup is "uninformed majority with a lynch vs. uninformed minority with a NK."

BS. Once you sense someone, you know they aren't going to plot against you as a FACT. And once four people have established they are on the same team - then they know 100% they are town. That happened D1 here, I think, I'd bet D2 is the norm.

Well, yeah, you're right, since if 3 townies sense each other and none of them have done the NK, then they know they're all town. And it'll be harder for the scum to find out who their partners are. I meant that everyone is equally uninformed at the start.

[Crazy]

1. I asked several people, such as Yosarian2, whether this plan of action was best. I based my actions on their responses.

Owned. Nobody can disagree with Yos.

I like this concept... but I'm not sure that it's meant to be mafia, since at it's best it's a logic puzzle and not really a test of mafia skill. I could see it run in mish-mash with 3 (or so) equally sized teams and one nightly vig from each team.

[Crazy]

One idea that will help scum; not sure how much, though:

Make the GF the only player that knows what his alignment is, and have him know who his goons are at the start. Disallow private conversation.