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[Something_Smart]

First, plus or minus two.

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no that's a potato that has lots of eyes, not a sausage :X

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VOTE: SS

Hi do I know you?

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We're not two pages in and lilith is already pocketing me :3

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I assume youre asking about my main
I dont know you well

Jesus fuck you people can post

Yes I was, thank you, and yes we can

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SS was/is objectively scummiest

lol

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if you two are scum partners you two are the worst scum pair I've ever seen on this website so far lmao

No, no, only one of them is the worst.

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is it working?

Uh, maybe a bit?

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must... resist... “the worst” puns...

Look, if he didn't want us to make puns on his name, he wouldn't have named himself that.

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this is a really bad faith response to what I'm saying ~_~

I think it's actually quite a good response.

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that.... is that something you think I’m thinking about as scum?

I actually feel like you would rather make a vote that looks bad as scum

on an unrelated note, that vote looks bad.

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Man I was nervous to play with you again sausage but I'm enjoying this so far.

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why
i dont really remember you :/

I think we only ever played one game together, or maybe two. You came off as kind of offputting, but I think I was overreacting a bit.

Also, I spectated Montosh's game that I designed where you got executed D2 as tracker because you refused to claim.

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My vote?

Yes, your vote, you voted the LHF. I'm guessing that LM is new, but even if they aren't, they've been overtly sheepy which means they're likely gonna get pressure at some point. You don't really need to add to it.

Can you explain the first part also?

You like to WIFOM as scum. It seems like something you would try, more so than trying to look good by voting on popular targets anyway.

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Dont get your hopes up but hes caught scum
No RVS on page 1
Says lol to my very real 100% genuine scumread
Agenda posting

I asked if you knew me primarily to determine if you were MariaR.

...Are you sure you're not MariaR??

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No reads, srZ

Not the most solid towntell, but I'll take what I can get for now.

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Lavars town thats 1

I don't follow

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That's like a textbook self-conscious newbscum post. Of course it can be newbtown as well, but I definitely don't see where your townread off of that post comes from.

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I know you aren't, even she wouldn't try to say that I was scummy for not RVS'ing.

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It doesn't matter whether it was serious. It indicates that you don't know me well enough to know that I almost never RVS.

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I wasn’t even aware WIFOMing was a thing I did

You literally did it in, like, your first post of your first scumgame against me.

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none of these are how you catch scum!ss

You catch scum-S_S because he sounds more wooden than a bedpost

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you'd understand if you listened to more jazz

Ya like jazz?

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what a wonderful game

Yeah that's where my experience with you comes from lol

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oh, it was a good game i hope you didnt roll scum

We're both in luck then

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Do you think I’m doing that now?

Not particularly.

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Meh Zombie will come off of the shtick eventually.

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lmao IV as four, I love it

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don't fencesit, it'll hurt your butt

ah, but he's been taught by the best

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Only the second person to get the reference (or at least say as much to me) and the first person is also in this player list.

Nice to see you again

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Though, the first time you said you wouldn't vote someone because they understood your username, you were scum... :thonk:

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Can you expand on what's weird about it?

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god worsty you scare me sometimes

I feel like this is a thing that usually comes from town?

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i wonder how innocentvillager who has correctly pocketed/subverted my expectations of his scum meta would respond here
actually i'm not really sure

it takes a lot of hubris to respond to someone with an incorrect townread on you by telling them how scarily accurate their read is.

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nice recovery.

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Ah, yes. Now is the time of Euro nerds, Aussie nerds, and Americans with unhealthy sleep schedules.

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So InnocentVillager posted like reads on page two in a game i played with him last time, and got butthurt when i called his reads shit and proceeded to tunnel me for the rest of day 1.
Here he’s voting me immediately for a meme reason which kinda feels like scum: "hey, i’m acting normal! Voting someone i’ve played with before! ;P" which is kind of a scum entrance tbh.

I don't know much about IV but this feels pretty project-y. It could just be how he decided to open the game this time?

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Nothing's stopping you!

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That escalated quickly.

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This feels like TvT.

It uh doesn't really feel alignment related to me? Like Una accidentally offended lilith, lilith got annoyed about it. Nothing in there about the color of either of their role PM's.

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I'm curious why you think that though, because ngl it feels like it could have been a TMI.

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Scum!them would bother with escalating an minor issue... why exactly? This is a completely pointless argument for scum to get caught up in, which shows it to be more indicative of a town mindset on both sides.

It's pointless for town to get caught up in too...

I would actually expect lilith to be a little bit more offended as scum, since despite being scum what she said about missing her stop certainly was true. I don't see why she wouldn't engage with someone who offended her, if she was actually offended and wanted to say something about it.

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You’re so simple-minded to think that because i use different criteria to read players that’s AI.
Just accept that i think differently from the eay you do and move on.

There's more to it than this and you know that :/

Sometimes the manner that someone comes to a read is AI, unless you're suggesting that everyone is capable of imitating their town read-forming mechanisms perfectly as scum? That's obviously not the case. Just because you used a method that you believe to be sound does not exempt others from being suspicious of it.

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Im voting zombie because i want more people to vote him so he'd drop his gimmick and provide some better content

Why not just ask him nicely?

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I would literally bet my life on LavarManos being town, by the way.

Where have I heard this before...

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I personally don’t think this my opening has been outside of my scum range? if that’s what you’re wondering

This uh is not self meta to support a townread on IV?

It's self meta to refute a townread on him, actually.

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The question mark says otherwise to me.

No I'm with IV here. He wasn't trying to cast doubt on the claim that he's in his scumrange.

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I domt know if it is, but you throwing this out there this early makes me think that you are.

orly? how so?

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I think the only world that comes from scum is when one of their partners were in the 1v1.

Have you heard of the TMI tell? It's actually one of the more reliable global tells, if hard to apply.

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copying my question?

shush you, you know I don't close-read ahead when catching up

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I copied IV's response to TFED too. It demonstrates that I came to the same conclusion independently.

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I did see it now, that was what my TMI question was about. If it's hard for you to distinguish a TMI, what makes you think that Norwee's post wasn't it?

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I will say, I would legitimately prefer my own lynch to his.

Where have I heard THIS before

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Something Smart did you roll scum

no

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Reveal as innocent child

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Damn, it didn't work. Guess you'll have to wait till I flip.

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do you town read nep ss

I don't think so, but let me check

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210 is somewhat towny.

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What are you talking about lilith

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who do you scum read ss

Nobody

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@ss

SS can I get your current read on duck please?

Sorry

Idk let me look, but I doubt I can read him this early, or at all really

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This is at best a vanity wagon so either persuade other people to join you or join a different wagon that isn’t so vanity

oh nooo

lilith you are scum aren't you

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lavar is a player in this game

Lol

Was this an intentional throwback to Anuket

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I'm trying to be helpful but I feel like I'm putting words next to each other that don't actually make sentences yeet

Why is everything you say always such a goddamn mood

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i mean i think im just one of the people who likes to play but isn't very good at it

Speaking of things being a mood...

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really don't have any scumreads rn only some townreads but im not even sure about those

Hey guy who just finished a scumgame with IV:

Did he ever try to play the newbie/bad player/no idea what's going on card?

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Idk how to say this without sounding insulting bc people seem to get offended when i claim town likes being condescending and self righteous more than scum

I probably disagree with this but okay

I agree with it for sure, though it depends on the person and someone secret alting is somewhat more likely to have an objectionable playstyle. If you take away the people who are always condescending, what you get is mostly people who genuinely believe in what they're saying.

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no :////// you should be townreading me by now

I almost was and then you had to throw out that garbage post

It seems quite out of character for you to be bossing someone's votes around, let alone bossing someone around to do something simplistic and one-dimensional that looks superficially pro-town but isn't actually helpful.

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Refusing to cooperate and no signs or indication of a game solving mindset.

Err

Those are towntells...

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ss did you come to a conclusion on a duck read or

Nope. Give me like four game days

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FOMO? Fear of...?

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pedit: yikes alright then

Do you have an actual response or is this it

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I think your scumgame is better than you give yourself credit for

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I really don’t think so :/

I mean I sure as hell wasn't the reason we got read as obvtown in City.

I don't doubt that there are differences, and that they are evident to you. Playing mafia is really damn hard though and I certainly can't keep enough in my head at once to actually be able to thoroughly wade through your meta.

What is it that you think makes you so clearly town here? Because I think past games have indicated that you aren't consistently obvtown as town, at least not to me.

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fear of missing out; it's like an anxiety experience around e.g. friends hanging out without you.

I was using it a little bit facetiously but my heart would break just a little if I actually rolled town against both you & Lilith

Well, if lilith and I are scum I hypothetically apologize in advance. Doesn't really seem relevant to the task at hand, though.

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Scum definitely like to appear cooperative and helpful

And town are much more likely to just piss people off and do whatever the hell they want

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I'm not going to teach you how to play sorry

Thank you, we really don't need to shit up the thread with that argument

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some reasons I think it’s clear I’m town:
- I think all my thoughts have been really straightforward
- the things I’m pushing are actual things and not made up/twisted to fit a narrative
- lack of emotional reaction to and/or discrediting of people scumreading me

#2 is obviously not something I can perceive on its own because it depends on your mental state. As for #1 and #3, can you find posts in your scumgames (ideally the ones I was in-- G&R and JK9++) that violated them?

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Also I guess you can’t really see it but complete and total lack of anxiety is pretty indicative of my towngame

Yeah that seems very much internal. I don't recall that coming out any of the times I've seen you as scum.

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are you going to do something besides talk to lilith ss

no

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any reads

IV, sausage, Nep, Lavar, TFED are my townreads

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I think this manifests itself as triple-reading over all my posts before posting and I’d argue that my super-real-time posting is mutually exclusive with said anxiety

You didn't real-time post in any of your scumgames?

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I feel like these should probably also adequately address #1 but let me know if you want more

Seems fine, and I can clearly see the distinction being drawn, but I also don't really feel like a situation has been reached yet in this game where you might respond like you did in those games. Those posts mostly came when you were under pressure, yes?

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Why IV and Nep?

I feel like those are the only two that I've actually explained to any degree lol. IV just uh... doesn't have any agenda and isn't showing any signs of developing one. It takes a very particular scum player to just sit there and look pretty and cross your fingers that people don't kill you.

Nep is being contrarian and annoying, and that probably belies a lack of care about survival (or at least it not being the primary motive).

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Literally just caught scum as a result of them doing this.

Link?

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SD, who would you elim right now?

idk

good thing I don't have to decide

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I'm just gonna pretend this conversation never happened.

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I'm sure there are plenty of counterexamples. I never said it was an infallible tell, just a heuristic.

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Maybe a bit?

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Eh, I take it back. Whatever I saw in his ISO I don't see anymore.

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Can you give specific examples of what you think I would have said differently as town?

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Ergo, if it needs to be explained, which it does, then he isn't obvtown.

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I’d vote S_S / Nep / Billy as of right now.

Why?

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Because those are my reads.
I TR you guys the least.

Do you scumread us?

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I'm liking these recent posts from Billy.

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#metoolol

You could definitely stand to put a few more words next to each other...

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Exactly.

Whoa, I missed this interaction.

I'm not gonna let my present reads be colored by premature associatives, but if one of them happens to flip scum, the other's partner equity goes through the roof.

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I would pick something smart to be the towniest because he doesn’t seem very “stiff”.

Take this up with Zombie. Stiffness seems to be the crux of his scumread on me.

(Also, I don't think you knew this, but the worst, lilith, and I are all friends, so I love that you put us all in the same tier )

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Now I'm not sure whether I should be able to dissect the motivation behind that vote from this post (other than you apparently scumreading S_S's hair and movement?? )

Well to be fair, he's got a good point, I do have pretty bad hair.

I think the explanation is the "made of wood" line where he thinks my posting is awkward/wooden. I asked him to provide examples.

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VOTE: Sirius9121 - scum want this around for lategame way more than town does.
Just get rid of it here, and we can start the game D2.

I think this is town unless Sirius is scum

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Una why do you call the duck BuDucky

My curiosity has gotten the better of me

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I enjoy the fact you thought of bussing as well

My point was less that bussing was possible (it sure is) and more that that being S -> T was unlikely.

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People shouldn't forget about S_S.

But I'm eminently forgettable, it's one of my best traits :3

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Why is s>t unlikely?

Probably because it's exactly on point. Why take responsibility for leading the charge on the easiest mis-exe in the world when you can sit back and let townies do it?

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Is that what negging is

Yes

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Your post between my two reflected you being an inflexible player this game which is something I don't associate you with.

Which post?

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What specific issues did I feel inflexible about?

You're right that I'm not normally an inflexible player. I wouldn't say being more inflexible than usual is a scumtell for me? Maybe having black-and-white reads is. But I also don't feel like I've been especially inflexible this game.

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... that's... that's how he always sounds

Oof is this your belated revenge for "you just described lilith's towngame"

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maybe inflexible isn't the right term. Impenetrable might be better. Nothing seems to effect you at all.

Oh, that makes a lot more sense.

Iirc you've seen me as scum more than as town recently? But it's generally hard to get a bead on me no matter my alignment. Tw and lilith are scarily good at it, apparently, and I dread rolling scum against them

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This is a dumb wagon imo. I've seen a couple slots like this, and they are almost always town.

They're more likely town than random??

That's hard to swallow.

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Scum usually puts in at least a miniscule amount of effort not to be scumread.
Sirius is literally doing nothing to make himself look better.
Hard pill to swallow but it's the truth.

Nah, I don't agree. Sirius clearly doesn't care about the game at all. That's not alignment indicative.

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My alts rarely last a day before I alt slip.

I think everyone for whom the alt slip will be meaningful already knows who you are lol

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If I remember correctly, my avatar progression was Saturn -> pixellated map -> Fix-It Felix -> Foo Fighters album cover (gray and yellow with two F's, probably what you were thinking of) -> Saturn again -> Muse album cover (yellow with field-goal thingies) -> Azelf.

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Foo Fighters album cover (gray and yellow with two F's, probably what you were thinking of)

Concrete and Gold

Muse album cover (yellow with field-goal thingies)

Origin of Symmetry?

Correct on both counts. Both great albums!

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Stop ribbing at Zombie for breaking the roleplay. It's making it much easier for him to actually contribute.

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oh no

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I'm very sorry to hear that this game I wanted to join needed a replacement. It truly saddens me to see LavarManos and Saudade leave and this is in no way related to my desire to play with a waterfowl who shall remain nameless.

Anyway.

ha ha

ha

at least you replaced into a townslot so I don't have to engage with you.

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I'm sorry. I probably still will, but I can't make any promises.

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It’s town but also a bit hard to work with.

I want to say that being patronizing probably makes you more difficult to work with than flipping your vote a few times

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Which is a good thing. So you shouldn't start doing it.

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1759 was definitely patronizing.

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Well, it came off that way, which is really the important thing in determining whether it was alienating.

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It doesn't. It helps to make you more fun to play with and easier to cooperate with, since this is a team game.

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With the usual caveat about meta from games that you weren't in, Sirius looks a lot townier now.

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I do not care if Sirius is conf.town with play like this.
Scum. Will. Not. Kill. Him.
And I do not trust his ability to scumread the correct people -> I do not want Sirius around.

So don't get to the point where his vote is needed to kill scum, eh?

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I'm not sure what the tone is supposed to be here, but I actually expect you to be one of the people who shoud understand my point.

You undermined your point with the first line. If Sirius were conftown, it would be pure madness to execute him today or ever.

The angle you should have taken is that he ISN'T conftown, and even if we have a mild townread on him, that isn't close to being conftown given how little AI material he's posted.

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We execute Sirius today, and start the "actual gameplay based" executing tomorrow.
We probably lose one day but we have a ton of pages and interactions to analyze, we get rid of a useless slot no matter their alignment, and we'll probably have some night-actions to analyze D2 as well.
If nothing else, then at least one scum-kill / town-save to spice it all up.

Vote Sirius, and don't think about it any longer.
This D1 is already long enough.

Why are you starting to sound like Boon

This is spooky

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And in that scenario all we might potentially get is a LyLo where he holds the hammer, so...

Yes. And in an equivalent scenario where we executed him, we instead have already lost by the time that lylo would be reached.

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"bullied"

heh

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ss do you think we should eliminate sirius or nepenthes or norweej?

Yes.

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Una, I have serious decision aversion. One option is too many

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I think between the three I would begrudgingly choose to carry on the sausage legacy and push Nep.

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VOTE: Nepenthes

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I don't think it's a towntell, but if she's scum, it probably does spew IV/N_M as the same alignment.

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SS why do you SR me

Saudade + the whiteknighting thing + Norway feels genuine and you two are scumreading each other + your content is very conventional which is about what I'd expect from scum in your spot + you softed VT making you a safe push

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actual read reasons from ss??? i'm shook

Big oof.

But I assume you mean SCUMread reasons.

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You may not have meant to but this definitely reads as a VT soft.

I dont think im going to shake these scumreads so if i have to go today im going to do it with good reads and you people are going to listen to me

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ss are you still scumread/leaning me

I guess?

I don't recall anything from you modifying my read since then.

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gahhh

did you read my longer response to you calling my post garbage?

1102? Yeah I read it.

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I've been summoned. did someone say garbage~

like a thousand posts ago, yes, and lilith is just bringing it up again now.

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I’m trying not to be annoying about it but your read on me is probably one of the more important things to me in this game, just like irrespective of game things

I get that. But it's still D1.

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Her fixation on being TRed by you is not scummy at all

I never said it was?

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Lilith is going to be fixated on my read on her regardless of her alignment. It's not a towntell.

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good post

no it isn't :X

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i suddenly feel like aggressively uncomfortable about the sirius elim but also not convinced it's not just scum >_>

oh no

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the site is having a stroke and keeps randomly redirecting me when I press submit, send help

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Off my head-top, five?

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For those of you who demand explanations iv declaring my slot obvscum after the amount of gameposts hes made that have been reasoned TRs on me is just not town

I don't follow this in the slightest.

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Oh, I don't doubt that the behavior you're talking about occurred. I'm confused as to why you think it's scummy.

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He was not behaving like someone who considered me obvscum in the slightest so i dont buy his reason at all

maybe he... changed his mind?

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Not to mention that you dont refer to a player as obvscum when you DO change your mind if youve been TRing them previously

I've done it. I've done it and been wrong, too.

Granted, it's usually over the course of multiple days, but I can probably find an example where it was a single day.

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Maybe. I don't care to, though.

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Informed townie N_M, and previously Lavar, is town. That's my usefulness. Elim me to make N_M IC, I guess.

oh for crying out loud

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yeah but he crumbed lavar-town hella hard so it would be pretty obvious who he was informed about once he flipped

it was obvious before he flipped

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This gave me a good chortle.

Oh lol, I didn't notice that. Lilith SK confirmed.

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lilith why are you sighing about my stupid joke

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I’m still sad you’re not townreading me and I didn’t realize that was a joke

why would I seriously call you SK when SK's aren't even allowed in mini normals and I hate SK's besides.

The joke was that you misspelled Kruger like Freddy Krueger

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do serial killers even exist anymore

Yes, but they're not allowed in mini normals.

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Why are you so on edge about this?

You weren't freaking out about my read on you in Zoey mafia.

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Like I'm not good at reading you anymore. I thought G&R would have made that abundantly clear.

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as a percentage of my posts I think it’s probably the same amount of time spent worrying about it?

You had almost 200 posts and the only thing I can find that seems even remotely related to it was you asking me who was in my execution pool...

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Like I said, I’m trying not to be annoying about it, so, sorry if this is getting annoying. I’m gonna take a break for a bit.

It's not annoying so much as it seems counterproductive.

Like you have never been this worried about my read on you before and it's weird for you to start now. I think there's not a terrible chance that you're scum who thought that I would townread you for constantly pressing me about my read on you, because that is the kind of thing I might do. I'm thinking back to G&R when you correctly predicted that I would townread you for scumreading me early.

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how do i get you to townread me ss?

Uhh...

Play on a secret alt maybe?

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Or just be scum. That will probably be sufficient.

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Eh I guess but those were super early

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What exactly is frustrating about it? Didn't you have this experience when you were playing way back when? Your town game was super distinctive, but you still got pushed even by people who knew you well.

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What exactly is frustrating about it? Didn't you have this experience when you were playing way back when? Your town game was super distinctive, but you still got pushed even by people who knew you well.

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Oopsie. Note to self, don't click the submit button twice.

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how earnest/openminded do you two feel your interactions with each other have been?

I mean... I'd like to say that I've been completely earnest and openminded. I certainly would never intentionally be anything less.

I'm not open to the idea that lilith is actually obvtown and I'm blind and unable to see it. I don't know if that indicates that I don't have an open mind, though, as it's something that I pretty much by definition can't be wrong about.

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I've only scummed with you twice, and once had no daytalk so it basically doesn't count. And even in our hydra game we didn't really talk about like ~scum strategy~ too much, we mostly talked about the specifics of the situation we were in.

I don't think that I know you well enough to be able to predict how you would approach a scumgame versus me, when you specifically know that I'm looking for that. I'm giving you more credit than that; it isn't an insult, and you shouldn't feel disappointed by it. Frustrated, maybe, but mafia is a paradoxical game. I've definitely had situations where people who used to be able to read me well started professing a lot more doubt because I played good scumgames against them.

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I'm pretty sure if the three of us were scum together our postcounts would all be into the quad digits by now.

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I don't see why it would be, that sounds like something that's clearly larger than this game.

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And I'm sorry that reality has not lived up to your expectation. However, it may still. I don't think that you and I have ever both survived long enough for us to really know how that would play out.

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i dont see this as a thought that would pop into scum!lili's head

I see it as a thought that would pop into her head before she got a role PM

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I would assume that it would be a guiding feature of her play?

[Something_Smart]

like "if I were town I would really want to townblock with S_S, so I should play to that, which means lock him as town early on and act nervous and nagging about why he isn't townreading me yet"

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pedit: this site has this definition of informed?

Yes. Informed means you are given some information. I would be surprised to hear it meaning something else on a different site.

[Something_Smart]

Also let me be a brat and say that I felt certain that Nep was going to claim PR.

This is interesting, considering that Nep clearly softed VT and that's why my vote is still on her.

[Something_Smart]

One scum in lilith/BuDucky/S_S is almost certain and I fucking hate the thought of it.

Why?

[Something_Smart]

Something_Smart was actually in that game that I talked about earlier.
Blessed Mafia.
And S_S refused to believe town!Una then.
Even when I had laid down some very sophisticated crumbs and faithfully claimed my role D2.
And called out the whole scumteam.
S_S followed scum!Boon over me then.

Ummm you must be misremembering. I went back and checked. You died at night in that game, and I was trusting you until you did. I never followed scum-Boon, I didn't vote on any of the scum-led mis-exe wagons, and I was voting scum-Ari for the majority of the game.

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May i also add that Sirius has gone from doing nothing, to presenting reads that are hot garbage.
Which is worse?

Definitely the former

[Something_Smart]

You’re...
Elements!!
Dun Dun Dun...

Oh

Well I deserve partial credit for my Hectic guess, then

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game that I always refer to.
I called out the whole scumteam once their bullshit-claiming began, but was unable to get them lynched.
Got killed N1 and scum admitted to having done it, but claimed it as a Vig-shot or something.

Oh I just saw this. Yeah you are misremembering, you died N2. The person they NK'd and claimed a vig on was LUV.

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Norwee:

You may not have meant to but this definitely reads as a VT soft.

I dont think im going to shake these scumreads so if i have to go today im going to do it with good reads and you people are going to listen to me

[Something_Smart]

UNVOTE:

[Something_Smart]

This was a very weird way to handle replacements.

[Something_Smart]

From a modding standpoint. To say that you don't like the mod interference of judging whether a post was substantive, and then replacing someone for making non-substantive posts anyway, and then allow them to post up until the moment a replacement is found but not cancel the replacement...

But that's a discussion for postgame.

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No.

But I could be persuaded to.

[Something_Smart]

I unvoted because you admitted that you falsely softed VT. I'm still undecided, but I was certainly unwilling to let you live if you tried to dodge around that.

[Something_Smart]

UNVOTE:

@mod

[Something_Smart]

i think we're in a good spot right now, 100 pages is a lot but I do think there's enough to say at least two scum are in {Zombie, Billy, Norway, Water}

Whoa.

[Something_Smart]

bear with me.

[Something_Smart]

Oh when I said “I’m paranoid of every slot except SS.” That was based on reads, I forgot that NM should be conftown lol

NM is not conftown.

[Something_Smart]

isn’t he basically confirmed? unless you think he and four are scum together?

Correction: unless I think he and Four CAN be scum together.

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Yes.

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except that it restricts the confines of their narrative
which makes it easier for them to throw us an Adequate narrative

I'm sorry, I don't follow this

[Something_Smart]

No. But not because it makes it easier for her to fakeclaim.

[Something_Smart]

is there an opinion here, do you disagree?

It's less of an opinion and more of a reaction. But it seems way too confident in D1 reads.

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To me it's obvious that Norweg is only talking about Billy in that post.

Except, the following posts make it clear that he meant Nep and misgendered her?