Mini 663 - Mind Screw Mafia II - Over

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/confirm

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Vote Wall-E

There is no room for a Robot in our midst... I mean they can easily be reprogrammed by the Communist threat... Might as well just kill him. (equates to random vote)

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There might be a really easy way to figure this out.

unvote

This should let us know which of us has two votes instead of one, and besides I don't really like my random vote on Wall-E anymore anyway.

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I'd like to point out that it seems we have an Invisible voter. Malthius and I both unvoted Wall-E and he still has a vote on him.

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Ebwop... or for some strange reason someone who is FoSing him counts as a vote?

I feel like that could be an extremely powerful ability to have if true.

The only reason I think this is because three people are FoSing him, but only two of them count as FoS's but there is a vote on him with no one voting him.

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No a few players are attempting to make it degenerate into a science experiment, and it is rather unnerving to tell the truth.

Fos Wall-E

Fos Jebus

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Wall-E the problem is it will be very hard to learn anything concrete about the setting we are playing in this early on in the game. The way it is set up is working to deny us any of that information until the time is "right" in Tar's eyes. So we might as well play this game like we would any normal game until something is revealed to us proving that we shouldn't.

@Batt: It seems like an interesting idea, but Tar has told us not to think the last Mind Screw is anything like this one. Whether that is just to throw us off or true is irrelevant at this point in the game. I am up for doing an origin claim if everyone else is.

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Apparently I don't have the power to FoS anyone.

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The FoS count definitely holds power if what Malthius says about his FoS counting as a vote is true. Its also somewhat important if certain players are unable to FoS people, but I don't know what it means at this point.

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Wall-E are you even reading the thread?

Malthius gave us a plausible reason for why there is still a vote on you.

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Lol DGB!

You just like to create a ruckus where ever you go don't you?

I win with the town, and am part of the town, but refuse to type your sentence as written.

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Scumbaggos? I hardly think the fact that I am unwilling to post your sentence word for word proves anything, even more, I think it proves that the people willing to post it look more like desperate scum than anyone else does, and on top of that

vote DGB

with the amount of effort you have put into a certain other game I am in with you I know you are a better player than the amount of effort you have put into this game. And since you are playing so radically differently in the two I lean towards you being scum in this game for reasons that should be obvious to you (the reasons pertaining to why you are town in the other game).

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Let me get this straight DGB... you, who have added absolutely nothing at all to this game, are calling other people on having small amounts of content. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard...

Oh wait thats right, you told people to post a sentence, that is so much more scum hunting than anyone else.

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She could also be a survivor.

I'd like to note that all DGB has against me is I refuse to write her sentence word for word. I will tell you that I am town aligned and win with the town, but I think it is asinine to post what DGB tells me to just because DGB tells me to. Also for posterity I will tell you that I am aligned only with the town.

But seriously people, if DGB told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? How about if she told you to hang a noose around your own neck?

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At this point in the game no I don't Batt. There has been very little scum hunting going on by anyone and so I don't feel it is fair to accuse only a few people of posting very little content.

Wall-E every time I start to feel better about you being town you go and post something like that. For the rest of the town who is hopefully sane, lynching me today would be a terrible idea for reasons I am willing to discuss if I have to.

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My bad, I just looked at his post and assumed. I have a very interesting theory about your role nat, but I won't bring it up now because if I am right I don't want to completely out you for no reason.

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You're voting to pressure me into doing what DGB wants?! That is possibly even more scummy than voting to lynch me at this point.

If I wasn't so sure DGB was scum, I would change who I was voting for right now.

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I agree with DGB's idea 100% and your refusal to post a simple sentence (lie or otherwise) is alarming to me.

your reaction to him not posting it is alarming to me

QFT

There is no reason I should post it just because DGB said to.

There is no good reason for me to post it and so I won't. The blind following you are doing is at best stupidity and at worst good proof that you are scum.

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I actually do buy DGB's claim, and it gives me a reason to post his sentence, as if I do and he says I am lying and I get lynched proving him wrong he will be dead in the near future. I see nothing for him to gain by false claiming lie detector so:

My win condition is that I win with the town; I am not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

As for my origin claim, I Sigmund Freud from real life.

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Also it seems I forgot to unvote DGB in my last post so

unvote vote Wall-E

for reasons I've stated before.

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Wall-E every time I start to feel better about you being town you go and post something like that. For the rest of the town who is hopefully sane, lynching me today would be a terrible idea for reasons I am willing to discuss if I have to.

And this:

vote dgb

I'll unvote you if you post a decent amount of content.

And pretty much your over all blind following of DGB when all she had done was tell everyone to post a sentence. If what she is saying now is true, I find what you did extremely blatantly scummy, and it looks very much like trying to latch onto a townie.

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EBWOP:

This is the post my first quote is directed at.

DGB is not asking for any of those things.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

I'll unvote you when (and only when) you post the sentence as DGB wrote it.

Also as I looked again real quick:

The origin claim: I will not reveal my origin unless EVERYONE has agreed to do so. I volunteer to go first once everyone has voted that they WILL go through with the claim.

Natirasha: I buy the origin and flavor of Nat's claim. I'm fairly sure he might be scum, but at least he's telling the truth (sorta/maybe).

DGB: I don't completely buy the lie-detector ability... it seems like that would be a very very very broken thing to have in a game. I will

unvote

to keep DoS alive longer so this discussion can blossom a bit. I still want DoS to post DGB's sentence and might revote him/her anyway after said discussion.

This seems extremely counterintuitive to the stance you took on DGB's idea in the first place. If you don't believe this claim in regards to what has happened, why would you blindly follow dgb in the first place? oh thats right because you are scummy scum scum.

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Wall-E every time I start to feel better about you being town you go and post something like that. For the rest of the town who is hopefully sane, lynching me today would be a terrible idea for reasons I am willing to discuss if I have to.

You're assuming I was trying to get you lynched.

And this:

vote dgb

I'll unvote you if you post a decent amount of content.

Mission accomplished. Go me.

And pretty much your over all blind following of DGB when all she had done was tell everyone to post a sentence. If what she is saying now is true, I find what you did extremely blatantly scummy, and it looks very much like trying to latch onto a townie.

Call it what you want. I saw DGB's request as completely harmless, while the flavor claim wasn't. I've been a part of flavor claims that stopped halfway through because the town wasn't in agreement over it in the first place and wanted to avoid that situation in this game.

1. No I'm not, we had that discussion right afterwards.

2. Point me to the content that DGB has posted please? There is none, he has told people to post a sentence and called people scum based on their response and claimed. There is no content in any of that except the claim.

3. So you don't buy his claim because he did it before everyone agreed?

Confirm vote Wall-E

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EBWOP because of post in interim.

That isn't what DGB is claiming, which is why she asked us to post a specific sentence. The way I understand it she can tell if you are lying about that one sentence.

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You said his claim wasn't harmless because you have seen claims that stop half way through because the town wasn't in agreement correct?

So you don't buy his claim because he claimed early? That is basically what you are saying in regards to your statement that I quoted that says you don't buy DGB's claim.

That is so scummy it isn't even funny. Now you have made up reasons that aren't even legitimate for believing what you believe.

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You said you don't buy her claim, then when I quoted you saying it and gave reasons why I feel it is scummy you said it was because she claimed early (before everyone had agreed to the claim).

The two are directly linked and the fact that you are even trying to deny it confuses me.

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DGB: I don't completely buy the lie-detector ability... it seems like that would be a very very very broken thing to have in a game. I will

unvote

to keep DoS alive longer so this discussion can blossom a bit. I still want DoS to post DGB's sentence and might revote him/her anyway after said discussion.

And pretty much your over all blind following of DGB when all she had done was tell everyone to post a sentence. If what she is saying now is true, I find what you did extremely blatantly scummy, and it looks very much like trying to latch onto a townie.

Call it what you want. I saw DGB's request as completely harmless, while the flavor claim wasn't. I've been a part of flavor claims that stopped halfway through because the town wasn't in agreement over it in the first place and wanted to avoid that situation in this game.

That clear enough for you?

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No because that isn't the only reason I am voting you, and have stated the others as well.

But I will stop pushing that issue. I understand what you are saying, and it makes sense as far as that particular issue goes.

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Your blind following of DGB.

Your vote for me simply because I refused to write DGB's sentence.

Also because you argued with me about playing this game as if it were a normal game, and then with no further talk about it suddenly changed your mind about it.

Wall-E the problem is it will be very hard to learn anything concrete about the setting we are playing in this early on in the game. The way it is set up is working to deny us any of that information until the time is "right" in Tar's eyes. So we might as well play this game like we would any normal game until something is revealed to us proving that we shouldn't.

I'd agree, except we do need to know something about the environment we're trying to play in. If you feel that my experimentation is somehow preventing you from scumhunting perhaps you can offer some content?

Aw crap I'm still alive. Well since I can't escape this game I say we play it. Everyone drop the mechanic conjecture and let's treat this game as if it were a regular game of mafia (except we will obviously still watch out for really strange stuff)

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Ebwop the second post of yours that I quoted came two days after the first, and with no other talk about the merits of trying to figure out whats going on here.

Also are you really so lazy that I am going to have to repost this case every time it comes up?

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unvote vote Jebus

Just jump up and down screaming I am scum why don't you?

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Nice of you to show up Cyber

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A whole bunch of one liners that have no scum hunting at all is pretty well huh?

And anyway I'm not trying to deflect, you just disappeared for a while, and show up again to condemn me? I felt that was ludicrous and still do.

If I did hammer, my bad, I forgot that someone had been modkilled earlier and saw there were only 5 votes on him from the vc, and so thought 7 to lynch still. If I didn't hammer then this set up is far more strange than even I am giving it credit for.

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I already claimed, remember, you got all pissy about me doing it.

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I just think the timing is awkward.

With one sentence that just said, what. and then a vote. and you called him anti-town for role speculating.

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Alright. I'm not actually trying to attack Cyber, I just got a little annoyed because the timing of it all seems very much like he was actively lurking (I.E. paying attention and just waiting to see what would happen instead of participating).

I don't think he is scum at this point, and am not actually trying to put a case together against him.

Like I said in my last post, the timing is just very awkward. I also got a little heated over a post I felt was kind of condescending, but all that aside, I am sorry for what came out as an attack against him.

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This should be interesting to see.

@Cyber: I don't feel that speculation in and of itself is anti-town. Now if you feel he had a bigger motive than just speculating I understand your feelings of anti-townness (yes I know, anti-townness isn't a word).

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EBWOP: The this should be interesting is directed at the fake voter potential.

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Why do you think speculating is anti-town?

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I think tar is trying to make that painfully obvious with the release of the information of FAQ 12.

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I just don't like to be told what to do. So if I feel what I am being told has no purpose I won't do it. Which is why as soon as I had a reason for doing it (DGB's Claim) I did. Its just a personal thing.

I can confirm what DGB is saying. My ability makes no mention of night either. I send one choice in per day and get a result at the end of the day.

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I think the word he was looking for was condemn... but that is irrellevant. I wasn't trying to say the action was scummy Batt, and I will state again, I truly believe that it is just AWKWARD timing.

Cyber I really am interested why you think speculation in general is scummy.

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I will say it one more time, and hopefully everyone will get it.

I am not accusing you of anything. The timing of your post was awkward, I am not calling it scummy.

In this situation it is awkward because you had disappeared for a few days (life comes up I understand) and the first chance you get to come back and post is the next post after I voted. Therefore the timing of everything was awkward.

I will say one more time this is not an accusation, it is just an observation of what happened.

I am sick and tired of no one reading what I say and jumping on my word choice without looking for other things in posts related to them.

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People keep bringing it up, I brought it up in response to Batt because I felt he misinterpreted it just like you are.

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I can understand where you are coming from, but I have seen situations before where role speculation actually helped the town figure out who the scum was, and so do not find the speculation in itself scummy.

Now if the speculation had been pursued to the point where it became role fishing I would agree completely that there are serious problems with it, but as long as speculation stays speculation I don't feel that it is wrong to do. Though potentially misguided on day 1.

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We're talking about speculation that happened earlier in the game Wall-E, the discussion is just about whether speculation is scummy, and has nothing to do with what just happened between Cyber and I.

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For you Jebus I would like to point out that once DGB gave me a reason to post it I did so. (When DGB claimed Lie Detector I wrote the sentence)

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I'd also like to say that DGB doesn't know whether anyone in the game is mafia yet. It is day 1 and her ability doesn't give her a result until the end of a day. That has not happened yet.

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She sends in her choice during the day and gets a result at the end of each day (as she said before) because it is a nightless set-up (this was revealed to us by Tarhalindur recently).

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DGB killing me today would be a terrible mistake, but I invite you to use your ability on me tonight to prove it.

Btw, just because I have been in games with lie detectors before it has been a while and so I didn't immediately come to that conclusion when she told us to post the sentence.

I don't understand why DGB, who also has a ton of experience, is being so one tracked here. She should know better than to make accusations like that based solely on the fact that I refused to post her sentence.

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I still believe DoS is scum. The only reason he posted the sentence after DGB claimed is because he's probably going rb or nk DGB anyways, so he won't squeal. I'm still wondering why Jebus wanted to lynch DGB in the middle of the day. But I'll put that off till DoS is lynched

Vote DoS

(P.S I already have my FoS vote on him). Town, if this is a game with a predetermined deadline, you may want to unvote or change votes if we don't want the wrong person to get lynched.

It is sustained idiocy like this that is starting to make me not care at all about this game.

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@Wall-E: No one has anything on me except the fact that I chose not to post DGB's sentence without a reason to do so. That is IDIOCY at its finest.

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I have given a completely plausible reason I didn't multiple times. You are still harping on it. I call that idiocy.

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DGB I respect you as a player, but you are being completely irrational, and your irrationality has gotten every last idiot in this game (the number seems to be fairly high) up in arms and it is very frustrating to me.

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I think the best reason not to do something someone asks you to do in mafia is precisely because someone's asking you to do it.

That having been said, I saw (and still see) absolutely no harm in posting a sentance. But that's me. I tend to jump into things head-first.

DoS is clearly a more suspicious person (in this game, anyway) or perhaps just more careful. I think it's good to have a mix of personalities in a mafia game.

I, too, will

unvote

because DoS' defense satisfied me, and for reasons listed below.

No way... it has nothing to do with being careful, but everything to so with being well aware of the mechanism of a Lie Detector.

Then how in the world do you explain me being willing to post it as soon as you gave me a good reason to DGB?

Your whole case falls apart based on the fact that you have no case at all.

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I'm glad another idiot in this game has outed himself.

If you are too lazy to look for the reasons I gave earlier in this thread for why I chose not to post the sentence without a reason then you deserve to be led around blindly (which is what you are doing now).

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EBWOP: I'd just like to note that I only mean idiot in the context of this game, not all around.

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It would appear that there may be an invisible voter? Cause DGB plus Malthius x2 still doesn't equal 4...

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This is a total guess, but I hope Wall-E doesn't get lynched.

Why do you think Wall-E would get lynched... he has 0 votes... its either gonna be me or Jebus (if anyone gets lynched) depending on whatever weird rules apply here.

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I don't know if it means anything, but I find it slightly strange that we have 2 people here who claim to be from Neon Genesis Evangelion, but no other people are from the same place.


On a completely different topic DGB who did you lie detect last night and what was your result?

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Uh, DoS. There are three people who claim to be from real life, and I believe you're one of them.

Also, Wall-E, why the vote? I'm assuming you are assuming DGB is a lie detector, but if DGB is scum your just following along.

FoS: Wall-E

Huh... you're right. That is my mistake. Thats what I get for posting right before falling asleep.

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I did.

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1. DGB's Alignment

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Wall-E are you paying attention at all to this game? Any attention at all for god sakes...

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Oh I see... you weren't responding to me! It makes way way more sense now! Thats my bad cause it was right after my post and didn't have a name in it.

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Vote Wall-E

what else is there to do when the mod tells you to?!

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I don't think I'm going to vote Wall-E right now. But however, I'm noticing that based on meta (Me and Nat were scumbuddies in AA Mafia) it is starting to look like Nat is scum rather then neutral (or neutral that has made a pact with scum, thanks to daytalk). In the start of AA Mafia Nat claimed a fairly weak role to say 'Yay, I'm can help town!' so that seemed townie, and the mafia wouldn't bother her because her role was fairly insignificant (and can't be dissaproved). I'm seeing the same case again right now, where he's claiming a ability that cannot be disproved very easily (seeing if a person has ability he named). This sounds very scummy to me in combination to the fact he's practically said he isn't town. This is gives me enough reason to

Vote: Natrirasha

This is extremely weak logic Malthius, and has almost nothing to do with this game. I find a survivor claim believable at this point, and you give no reasons why you don't.

Also voting based on meta is terrible.

All in all I find your post to be much more scummy than Nat is at this point.

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Vote Malthius

for what I talked about in post 560.

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So, let's get on with the Malt lynching.

Vote:Malt

QFT

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The mod steered us correctly the first time?

FoS: Malthius

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Hmmmmm... interesting.

I love how this game has wheels within wheels, but for the time being I am going to keep my FoS.

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Some really weird stuff is going on here. Its starting to freak me out to be honest. A vote just appeared on Malthius out of thin air.

I am starting to be more and more certain we have an invisible voter in the game somewhere.

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I'll test your theory iamusername

Man does it feel good to be a confirmed townie!

ARR! This be a Rules Infraction, matey!

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ARRRR, Speak fer yerself, I ain't a scury dog. In othar news it'd seem we have ter speak like piratessss.

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Me thinks I be confused as ter what just happened heeeerrrrreee

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Augh! I was chasing a damn ghost the whole game! This was so much fun though, and very well played Nat.

If it is going to happen I would also like to pre /in for Mind Screw III