Mini 663 - Mind Screw Mafia II - Over

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Vote: Iamausername

(top of the loyal members of the party list), want to see if Malthusis gets a voted for instead.

Question for everyone: How are you supposed to confirm?

I had to confirm in game.

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EBWOP: oops, read it wrong. I had to confirm via pm

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Actually, I think Tar IS a player. Usually, Tar would post what he said in post 23 in a vote count.

Wall-e, how did you have to confirm?

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Unvote

Votes don't move this time. I'm on my laptop now, thus unreliable internet, so I'll have to make this post short.

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Actually, I would think scum would want to keep the double voter around based on how accurate the double voter is with his/her suspicions. I say let the double voter reveal themselves (malthusis). Just in case you don't look at sigs, my college has started so my ability to post will fluctuate based on the day of the week plus the amount of homework (stupid English >_<).

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I have an idea that may hurt scum. I tried to do it last game, it's a mass roll name call. But only this time, how 'bout it be just from what show/book/whatever everyone is from? This way, if scum have the same powers as last game (falseclaim/safeclaim), it will make it harder for them to fake claim.

Opinions?



Also:

FOS: DGB

I know your having fun in your other game, but at least post half as much here.

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So far the special ability concerning voting isn't in this game, but the hidden rules are.

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Inactivity. DGB is was actually pretty active in other games, just not this one.

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mafiassk, are you not paying attention as well? Malthusius isn't guessing, he claims to have the ability to vote by FOS as well as a regular vote.

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My win condition is that I win with the town; I am not a member of any kind of anti-town informed minority or a serial killer.

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Ok, why does DGB have two votes again? I'm getting confused about the double voter(s).

DGB: Why would you think anyone who didn't write that sentance, is scum automatically? You, yourself, haven't written the sentence (when you brought it up you had it in a quote as, IIRC, write or die). I see no reason why scum would not write that sentence, but also I see no reason why a pro-town player wouldn't write that sentence either.

DOS:

Let me get this straight DGB... you, who have added absolutely nothing at all to this game, are calling other people on having small amounts of content. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard...

It may be ridiculous coming from him, BUT do you think it has some merit excluding who it is coming from?

Natirasha: What is your win condition then?

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ok malthius, I say you go first to appease your fears of the mafia claiming your origin before anyone else. I would also like anyone who has claimed any powers so far to go before everyone else.

DGB: I don't really buy the lie detector role you claim. I mean, it was pretty obvious you had a power role from your request from scum pov. You obviously will draw the scum kill and thus even if you use your ability no one would get the result. If you really are a lie detector, I think it's bad play.

Natirasha: You also have another role that I don't buy all the way. In the last game, Tar from real life was a role cop, not a survivor. But Tar said to not really pay attention to the last game, so maybe that is what he means (some repeat roles but with different abilities/win conditions).

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Ok, I understand now. But I would still like everyone else who has claimed a power to go first. Then after they go, I'll go since it was my idea.

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I'm definately not in favor of a mass Name Claim on D1. I don't think it really calls for it.

I also do not think there is a fake claimer. The number for a lynch is hidden, so we don't even know we need a majority. However, with 12 shown players there's probably 3 scum, so I think at most we need 9 votes to lynch.

HOS:DoS

, if majority was required, then he would have hammered Jebus, who I feel isn't scummy enough for a lynch and hasn't claimed yet to defend her/himself. All she/he did lately was make a mistake by not knowing what a lie detector does.


*I'm doing homework right now, so I only have time to do a brief post about the happenings. My next post should be better.

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Who's voting MafiaSSK?

Cyberbob, your post does seem opportunistic, along with Wall-E. Condoning a hammer during twilight is scummy

FOS: Cyberbob and Wall-E

DoS, why wouldn't you say that line from DGB in its entirety until DGB claimed? I know you don't want to blindly follow DGB, but if it's truthful, it doesn't harm you or the town. If your scum, it can only hurt you if DGB is a lie detector.

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You may not say it is scummy, but I do. And yes, I meant condemn not condone.

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The reason I think twilight talk (at the time DoS's vote was thought to be the hammer), condemning a hammer is scummy is because no one knows what role the lynchee had. Only scum would know the alignment, as in not their own. Scum could use the condemning as a way to take a step or two away from the lynch to appear more innocent. In this instance, though, I think the hammer was unwarranted due to lack of a defence from Jebus, so the condemnation definately doesn't warrant a vote.

I think that someone has a day kill, and they are using that theory as a cover.

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Wait wut? Why are you guys voting DoS?

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Oh, I understand now. I thought jebus was going along with the "vote tar and die" theory, but voted dos by mistake

DGB: Your last point is what makes me question you. You've played long enough also, to know not to out your power so easily. Hell, you may not even get to use your ability due to roleblock/nk. But you are right about DoS, he should have known what you were, I know I did when you posted it (I was recently in a game with a lie detector). My only guess was that he didn't want to be seen as easily manipulated if he's town.

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I don't have much time so I'll just origin claim

I'm from Neon Genesis Evangelion

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Right now I'm leaning towards DGB on this issue (even though I think her play thus far is horrible for a lie detector). I know exactly what DGB is going to say to that point, as I think it is obvious, but I'll let her say it. My only question is that why did you feel that posting a sentence like DGB said would hurt you in anyway (before her claim)? But alas, you are correct in the fact there isn't much of a case, but you have to realize that this is only D1, and cases don't usually get too strong this early.

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Wall-E, by posting that (471), you create more useless posts that help hamper rereading. So from now on, could you, and everyone else, when presented with what Jebus has said (470), to requote the question in your next post. You can add anything else you want, but it just makes it easier.

DGB, are you a double voter as well as a lie detector? Or are you a double voter Cyberbob? The reason I say this is because DoS has 4 votes, while only having 2 names next to his vote count and 2 by his FoS.

Everyone else who hasn't origin claimed, please do so now.

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Uh, DoS. There are three people who claim to be from real life, and I believe you're one of them.

Also, Wall-E, why the vote? I'm assuming you are assuming DGB is a lie detector, but if DGB is scum your just following along.

FoS: Wall-E

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You still disbelieve DGB's claim... do you have a reason to do so?

Do you have reason to believe it to be true? Last time I checked, this was mafia and in mafia people lie. A lot. Until he is confirmed, I'm taking all of his posts like a regular player and not a power role.

Natirasha: Number 1... No wait number 3.., number 2? No, Number 1. Yes, definately, Number 2.

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I think everyone did. If it's like last game, then someone has the power to alter the game (last game is was nocmen). There's no real point to this, unless someone tries a gambit.

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I think the rule you didn't break but was warned in purple about was twilight talk. I guess that means we can twilight talk.

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dang, I went back to look at only Wall-E's posts, and he had 160 posts to sort through.

0 random votes dahill
2 revotes dahill cause first vote didn't count
4 votes cyberbob for bandwagoning
31 votes dgb for inactivity
46 calls malthusis a noob
47 votes malthusis
53 votes DoS for not posting DGB's sentence
59 confirm fos's DoS for origin claiming before malthusis
75 distances from hammer (thought was a hammer)
95 votes DoS (day 2) because DGB said so
102 revotes DoS even though DGB hadn't explained why DoS should be lynched
105 player summary, I request everyone look at it at least one more time
113 wants to kill the Mod. (nothing scummy or anything, just ironic)
131 votes Nat because DGB said so
147 revotes Nat
Then goes on to spiral to being modkilled. Say's Nat's number 1 suspect still.

That's what I got so far

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Maybe if you formed a case against him instead of asking why we aren't lynching him, you could help garner some support for his lynch. Call me a noob or whatever, but I'm pretty sure that's how

most

players do it.

Mafiassk: What? One less means one less to lynch. Unless your asking for who takes less to lynch.

Nat: If it's for your ability/rolepm/ modkillable, then try and form a case against him. Unless your a confirmed whatever, you can't get anyone to lynch with you by just saying so.

Looking back over Wall-E's posts, I think either DGB or DoS and Wall-E were partners. The reason being, most of his posts that specified a person were about one of those two players.

IGMEOY: DoS, DGB

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So, I'm guessing your roles are intertwined, but then why do you think Malthusis is scum? (taken from iamausername's quote of malthusis is a lying scumbag)

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Vote: DGB

Until you post something of a case against Nat, my vote is not moving.

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DGB: To me, a claim such as that there is equal chance they are scum or telling the truth. So in order for me to decide which, I look at what they post and when they post it and see if their actions lean scum or town. If it leans scum then I won't hesitate to lynch because 1) they could be scum and 2) they don't win with the town.

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I think one of DGB's, I guess rules, would be to lynch all players who claim to be millers, un-nightkillable, and/or a third party role. You fall under the latter.

MafiaSSK: Could you give us some opinions on players? Off the top of my head I don't recall you taking too much of a stand against any one player.

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I don't think there was a player called wall-w in this game , but wall-e is mason with..... an unknown player.

Mafiassk: Any reasoning for your top 3?

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Saying scummy posts in one thing, but could you give us something to look at that you interpret as scummy?

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Unvote, Vote: MafiaSSK

I'm really getting a scum vibe from you. I've been asking you questions to see your response. My read from those responses is that your going with the case with the most support, while adding your own reasoning that his posts are scummy. Then having to come up with a list of suspects, you just post the order you think that are scum/town without listing any reasoning.

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How many times have you been scum in those games? I believe half of them. Also, you may get a vibe, but you can at least say why you have it and quote any relevant posts pertaining to it.

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You think someone might be controlling Tar, either post death or alive? Not the mod posts (point of order, end point of order), but then one where he votes and what not. That might explain the your trust may be misplaced.

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Arr! What do ye agree with Natirasha about, landlubber?

It appearsss someone has voted for Iam to walk the plank
*walk the plank, walk the plank*

Also, I'm against ye offer of a mass claim Iam. And instead I say we make no one walk the plank today, to narrow te field o players for a successsful lynch, Yarr!

Vote: No Lynch

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It's simple math, ye salty doggs. A lynch today plus te NK equals 4 players alive. Tar stated ther ar 2 scum left, which would be majority and a loss. If we no lynch today, arr, we have 5 players alive tomorrow and another vote. It be a easier to lynch scum with a 3:2 ratio rather than a 4:2, YARR!

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Argh! Do we no lynch now? With that landlubber Tar counting as a player, that brings me total to 6 players (What I be think it was earlier today).

'Tis true we should mass claim, but me parrot thinks we shouldn't if we go te no lynch way.

Also, me think iam may come back as scum, if me last voyage was of any indicator. He be having a similar role to what MafiaSSK had.

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Vote: Cyberbob

I'm a multiple personality townie. Basically I selected power roles (which were hidden as in role 1-6) and selected three of them. Background check (what I used yesterday), quantum mirror, which reflects any action back to the caster and glomp, which is a roleblock. These are all 1 time only powers.

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Oh, ok then. You must be innocent, unless I'm forgetting something...... Oh Ya, the fact that you're lieing. The background check let's me know EVERYTHING about you. You are Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1, a mafia mason.

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vote: Cyberbob

again

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Dang, I thought I had won for the most part. I planned on killing nat and convincing MafiaSSk to lynch tar or get tar to lynch Mafiassk, depending on how mafiassk reacts to their being another day with just two players left (plus a voting tar). Nat just got lucky with the quantom mirror. I was debating whether or not to use my reflection ability and decided to go with godfather just in case....

Me and Cyberbob didn't know why DGB survived past D1. We thought there was probably a busdriver since Jebus also died that night.

Also a note, I never told my partners about the usurper role (except Cyberbob after I outted him). My plan was, after seeing the heat on wall-e, was to claim to investigate wall-e, and nuke Cyberbob near end game. I planned on claiming townie jack of all trades right before I outted wall-e and and explained that by killing cyberbob (whom after I thought was scum based on a reread of posts by wall-e) that night, it negated the scum kill since he must have been the one to send in the kill.


Also, I was right about the ghost

Overall, this was the must difficult game as scum I've been in. In a normal role game, I think I could have won. Good game Nat.

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ya, at the end of the last day, my death message was that I suicided.

About the setup, I think that the SK was overpowered based on the swing of the game. At any time, their could be a mass claim or someone being pressured to claim. If they don't get lynched, the SK could kill them after the lynch. But on the opposite side of the swing, the SK role itself, is usually underpowered and in with his way of killing in this game could harm his chances of winning.

The ghost aspect also added a little twist to the game. If only tar was forced to say lynch a townie instead of wall-e, we could have killed tar.

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DGB, I knew instantly that you were a lie detector, that is why I tried to kill you. If only your kill wasn't delayed, it would have helped us a lot (wasted a couple kills).