PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Spiffeh]

as scum*****

[Spiffeh]

DEB counterclaimed scum last Day so I think we should lim Dunnstral, even though it's another huge blow to my ego!

[Spiffeh]

Let me know if you want me to do other things I'm basically on autopilot at this point

Don't lim myself, Polar Bears, Solstice, DEB, or the masons and I think we win easily

To be fair I'm townreading mastina too but there are three scum left so I feel like it has to be her at this point

Unless Polar Bears has been snowing (heh) me this whole time but I doubt noraa is capable of that (sorry noraa!)

[Spiffeh]

Oh Ydrasse is scum I forgot about her

Ok that makes me feel much better

[Spiffeh]

Norwee no offense but I kinda hope you're the first mason to die so I don't have to deal with you in future days!

[Spiffeh]

I also forgot Ircher in my post above lol

He's town too

[Spiffeh]

Dunny who's your guess for the scum team rn?

[Spiffeh]

Did Solstice crumb supersaint anywhere?

[Spiffeh]

Oh ok I misunderstood

I guess that's a little sketchier?

[Spiffeh]

He counterclaimed because he's the supersaint and he thought Bell had enough cred to survive

I don't buy this btw

If scum wants to make use of their supersaint ability they're not going to guilty/counterclaim another scum player, they're gonna get their money's worth and guilty/counterclaim a town player so they get the most town deaths for their own death

[Spiffeh]

Scum guiltying scum is a long game play, where scum supersaint wants to die in the short term

[Spiffeh]

Some of your confusion might be from the fact that you're incorrectly scum reading me

Just a thought

[Spiffeh]

Norwee can you explain why you're townreading Ydrasse and Toogeloo?

[Spiffeh]

Given that I am actually town everything I have done has been inherently town

Like I don't know what you want me to say to that?

I get that I've had pretty atrocious reads all things and If you're BoP scum-reading me that's I can understand that but I'd request that you engage with me beyond "why haven't you been town?" which is all your slot has been saying for the past two game Days

And plenty of people that have played with me before are town reading me currently, maybe it'd be worthwhile to have them go into detail about their read on me instead of just writing me off as scum without any consideration that you're wrong

[Spiffeh]

My least favorite kind of game to play is one where I have to fight for my life every single Day without a chance of being nk'd and this is clearly the direction this is going

[Spiffeh]

Also now that the masons are outed there's no reason for the masons and Pooky to be silent so I think it would be helpful if they all weighed in on the Dunny/DEB situation

[Spiffeh]

I don't think there are very many people scumreading you. So to say you are "fighting for your life" is a bit of an stretch.
How about instead of defending yourself when it's clearly not much you can do to convince me in that apartment, you case someone else for why they are much more likely scum?

The most vocal mason is scum reading me and this Dunn/DEB situation is at least delays my death one day (maybe two of shit goes awry)

So I feel my representation of my position in this game is very accurate tyvm

[Spiffeh]

The fact that all you've really said today since your hard push on Creature over Bell is "i'll be going on auto-pilot now" or "Looks like i won't even need to try anymore"
Just feels soooo scummy.

- Norwee

Both of these things are true though, with three masons outed and a supposed guilty on another scum I feel that I don't have much left to offer, especially given how unfortunate my reads have been

The most important thing I have left to give that is actually beneficial is to ensure that I am not a mislim in the future, therefore focusing on making sure that doesn't happen is the only worthwhile thing to devote my time to

I'll try to elaborate on Ydrasse and Toogeloo reads later, they are really just PoE at this point

[Spiffeh]

If I were scum I would have reasons ready to go on why I'm scum reading Ydrasse and Toogeloo btw!

And I don't care how much you try to write this off as WIFOM because it's true and anyone who's played a game with scum!Spiffeh should attest to that!

[Spiffeh]

I wouldn't be surprised if Flavor Leaf spent the whole night phase workshopping exactly how should react to pichu's death to get the most townread from it LOL

[Spiffeh]

I don't even think there's anything scummy about Ydrasse, all she's done this whole game is buddy pichu which is not inherently towny or scummy

But given I have several confident town reads she's in my PoE and probably just scum here

[Spiffeh]

Ydrasse do you have any reads that you'd like to share I am very curious!?!?!?!

[Spiffeh]

Creature I would like to formally apologize for incorrectly you tunneling for pretty much this entire game

I will make it up to you by ensuring that I don't get mislimmed this game

[Spiffeh]

hi Alisae

[Spiffeh]

I am town reading Polar Bears purely because I just played a game with scum!noraa where she was very guarded, inactive, and unmotivated and after that game there's no way scum!noraa:

1. Can translate her enthusiasm/desire to be town in the signup thread to the game thread in a believable way if she actually rolled scum here
2. Was chosen by Flavor Leaf in the first place after her less than stellar performance in Xenoblade 2, which Flavor Leaf played in and is well aware of

I will admit that at times in this game I have certainly written them off because of this and haven't really focused on reading them after first coming to my conclusion, but I think it is so unlikely that my two points above are wrong that I don't think it's worth the effort

[Spiffeh]

[Sigh didn't think of that, should have just thought of it it like an informed townie, claimed it immediately, and leashed every hammer to the scummiest player, probably. Didn't think about it enough clearly]

Also Spiffeh, I feel like I'm the only player that thinks this is a red flag.

I am not super aware of either head's experience as a player to really think one way or another

I understand that it's a little weird but do you think they pull THIS claim out of their ass as scum?

[Spiffeh]

Ok

Xenoblade 2 noraa rolled scum and was super inactive and awkward in the thread and the whole scum team was PoE'd by the end of the first Day

I know a lot about her thought process in this game because I replaced in as her scum buddy and her lack of motivation was very clear in the scum PT

This game goes into signups soon after that game ends and she makes it VERY clear she wants to be town, and seems very excited in general to play

I do not believe that noraa can roll scum this game and still be as consistently active and present as she has been throughout. I think rolling scum would have been such a huge blow to her morale and enthusiasm that she couldn't even muster up the confidence to post even half of what she's posted

[Spiffeh]

Nope

While I'm definitely using a meta argument I think a lot of my points are specific to Noraa's mindset for this game specifically

What happened with her in Death Curse?

[Spiffeh]

I'll take a look when I get a chance

[Spiffeh]

Am I Pooky or Flavor Leaf in this scenario?

[Spiffeh]

If I'm town tree stump I draft Netflix and Chill first every time

Probably the same as scum tree stump actually

[Spiffeh]

As scum tree stump of the remaining non-mason players I would pick Toogeloo or mastina I guess? I'm not super familiar with any of the others besides Ircher who I feel is scum read earlier based on his play style all the time so he wouldn't be one of my top picks

[Spiffeh]

I mean you have limited my options so drastically that I don't have a good reason to first pick any of them

I don't even know if I've ever seen scum!Toog but I know he's an experienced player and doubt he's as bad as he claims to be as scum after playing for so many years

[Spiffeh]

I am so disappointed in your catch up speed mastina

apology not accepted

[Spiffeh]

Ydrasse please stop making me doubt my solve by seeming town

[Spiffeh]

omg cat pics

my greatest weakness

[Spiffeh]

Ydrasse pichu is proud of you regardless of your alignment

He will be rooting for you either way!

[Spiffeh]

What take are you even talking about?

[Spiffeh]

pichu literally c/p'd zMuffinMan's sig into this thread (535) so I thought for SURE he was Muffin lol

[Spiffeh]

lol mastina stop

[Spiffeh]

lol Norwee stop

[Spiffeh]

yeah now WE'RE in charge

[Spiffeh]

DEB
Toogeloo
Ydrasse

[Spiffeh]

@mod V/LA until 12/27 for the holidays

[Spiffeh]

Hey guys I'm a little wine drunk how's it going?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: DEB

@Solstice that requires me to reevaluate because at this moment I am townreading all of the remaining options

I will try to do that after my V/LA

[Spiffeh]

[i assume there isn't a supersaint, but if there is one, it is possible that toog themself is the supersaint lul]

~Morning

Are you not the alleged supersaint enabler?

Shouldn't that indicate to you pretty clearly that there is a supersaint?

[Spiffeh]

Or did I read something wrong

[Spiffeh]

No

[Spiffeh]

I guess mastina? Maybe I'm wrong about Polar Bears?

Or you?

I am really at a loss

Literally every single read I have had has been wrong

[Spiffeh]

Thanks

[Spiffeh]

I need to ISO people and reevaluate clearly

[Spiffeh]

Oh something about Solstice pinged me yesterday maybe them too

[Spiffeh]

Oh something about Solstice pinged me yesterday maybe them too

[Spiffeh]

Well I'm throwing out all my reads so I'm ok with that

[Spiffeh]

Hey Pookster

Sorry work has been crazy these past two days but I have a three day weekend so I will try to post a lot and you will see how obvtown I am and we can lim the scum instead of me!

[Spiffeh]

Already apologized to my scum team, I handled the Bell/DEB situation really poorly and had no idea how to recover and REALLY became demotivated after that ;_;

Town did a great job identifying each other after Day 1

Thanks for choosing me FL, wish the result was different!

[Spiffeh]

I really obvscummed from Day 2 onward LOL

[Spiffeh]

noraa/Gloria did a phenomenal job, and Bell tried his best to recover when he was caught out Day 2

In hindsight DEB counterclaiming Bell really fucked us but idk if we would have even won if he didn't

Masons also did a good job staying under the radar, I don't think we correctly guessed any of them

[Spiffeh]

like for some absurd reason I decided that flipping mastina > spiffy first was a good idea because i decided to locktown spiffy for no real reason on N3

i was panicking so much but like fl doesn't have that many options and honestly the more the game went on that the more fine it was.

FUCK I didn't wanna kill you N3 just to keep the WIFOM angle open but we ultimately decided you were the most dangerous mason

I would have been sussed out eventually based on my play though

[Spiffeh]

Also the scum PT is 65 pages have fun reading it lmao

[Spiffeh]

I'm excited for the mason PT!

[Spiffeh]

I read probably less than 10% of Polar Bear's posts lmao

I just lock town read them early Day 1 and never looked back

[Spiffeh]

I was so sure spiffeh was scum after his reaction to Bell-stuff but then he convinced me with his natural wit and charm
grumble grumble

<3

[Spiffeh]

Some of my best work

Not that I capitalized on it at all

[Spiffeh]

I approve releasing scum PT

[Spiffeh]

I think we actually aliened Polar Bears that night, we didn't rb you til N3?

[Spiffeh]

Vanilla cop also could have really fucked us over if we didn't kill pichu N2

I think limiting the vig to 1/2 shot and removing supersaint enabler would have made it more balanced

(I don't think this is the reason we lost at all though)

[Spiffeh]

I think if that was the setup, though, Dunnstral, Solstice, and Toogeloo would have all been fades. Solstice wasn't being town read when we were going to guilty them.

That is fair

[Spiffeh]

Let's be real though Vaxkiller was the real MVP of this game

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I think town did a phenomenal job after Day 1

Like Toog, Solstice, mastina, Ircher were the ones we needed to get 2 mislims within and they all towned it up so hard

[Spiffeh]

noraa you played a strong game I'M GLAD YOU WERE PICKED

[Spiffeh]

Oh I also read like less than 10 Bell posts this whole game

I should really start reading my scum buddies' posts

[Spiffeh]

Norwee no offense but I kinda hope you're the first mason to die so I don't have to deal with you in future days!

I spoke it into existence

[Spiffeh]

I didn't want to draft spec because I thought I was FL's obvious first pick and would have preferred people not knowing that

PEdit: and they are boring

[Spiffeh]

We also thought you were masons

[Spiffeh]

I honestly didn't realize mastina was still on the table for the masons like she was the one I thought for sure I couldn't swing the vote on lmao

Oh well I don't think we would have won regardless

[Spiffeh]

I thought Toogeloo was pretty scummy until he offered to hammer in the event of a supersaint

[Spiffeh]

YOU BAITED OUR CONCESSION YOU GENIUSES

[Spiffeh]

I am still level 13 in League

[Spiffeh]

Um was Brian not a Spiffeh fanboy this game?

I am insulted

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I was annoyed that everyone just decided Ircher was town after I defended him Day 1

HE WAS OUR DESIGNATED MISLIM

[Spiffeh]

pichu just so you know I wanted to kill you and pushed everyone else to agree to it

I did it

It was me