TENET - Game Over

[Annie Edison]

Hench I’ve responded to your case and would really appreciate if you indulge me and just go back and review and see if you can see my POV instead of keeping up the incessant tunnel.

[Annie Edison]

I’m trying to figure out which view of the gamestate I go with.

So putting a pin in this, but I did post a reads wall at daystart that’s pretty on par with where I am.

[Annie Edison]

Dunn is scum in my “separate side scum pt” land

[Annie Edison]

Hey I qualified it as tinfoil land ffery

[Annie Edison]

Haven’t we already gone over that you and I approach the game in vastly different ways

[Annie Edison]

Because Dunn’s clearly a strongman ninja neighborizer bulletproof

[Annie Edison]

Okay so our point is WHO it is. Scum had some way past a doctor.

Which means there’s scum outside of your pool.

Who is it.

[Annie Edison]

I was wondering how long it would take someone else to come to that conclusion.

[Annie Edison]

One of these claims is not like the others

And by that I mean receives conclusive results to themselves

[Annie Edison]

Gypyx or bowl imo

Ninja-
Of all the claims on the table of both sides we’ve only had ONE claim that receives its own results

[Annie Edison]

(Hint:it’s because I’ve actually hit my cobrascience stride I told you I would)

(Granted its late but whatever I’m here to play now.)

[Annie Edison]

Which leads me to thinking this is Bell who has, admittedly, expanded his scum range

why is it not annie?

I asked you to go revisit your wall points with new knowledge in hand. Have you done that? Do you have further questions? Or are you going to keep tunneling.

[Annie Edison]

I’m driving home.

@ffery-
I’ve calmed down some. I’m in solve mode and ready to go.

Hopefully it stays this way. I think there’s some potential.

[Annie Edison]

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[Annie Edison]

Do you ever stop being rude?

[Annie Edison]

Pro tip: people are going to respond to people being rude regardless of alignment

[Annie Edison]

Cool.

@hench- Titus’s entrance into day 2. The same quote I asked her about after she claimed her lover- I thought she was saying she trusted me because she knew what was going on bc she got the result.

[Annie Edison]

It’s been a recurring thing from multiple people this game. It got old day one.

Ninja-
If we exist in the same timeline both I and the tracker get the results.

[Annie Edison]

so you thought titus got her own results? sorry the way you worded that is throwing me off

Yes. At day start I explicitly was looking for people who made some sense of that “trusting” me. I crumbed to Cabd who I thought it was and he disagreed. Then later he was smug because he was right.

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: Superbowl

OMGUS

[Annie Edison]

They didn’t know what I was until afterwards, most likely.

[Annie Edison]

Do you have answers to why I should have known what else is going on in the setup when all I have is my own role pm?

And not listening to someone who’s known to lolclaim?

[Annie Edison]

Q
Q

[Annie Edison]

Who’s side are you on?

[Annie Edison]

Imagine not being skeptical of a results receiving claim when all other investigative claims on the table are gated

[Annie Edison]

They said the n1 purple room was 28 pages long.

[Annie Edison]

Oh I also probably should have noted I wasn’t positive how I’d receive the results given the wording.

I thought I would get “This person went x place”

But I actually got the names.

That’s why I wanted to come over. I figured it would be near impossible for me to crumb that accuratey without even knowing who was targeted.

But I’ve never been the receiving end of amnesiac, soooo

[Annie Edison]

if you got the names how were you confused on who the tracker was?

Okay. So I was not told in my role pm my counterpart only that they start opposite me.

Through my reading it seemed like my results would be vague, like “Visited imperium”

Then when D2 hit I saw I was wrong and I got “Dunnstral went to Cabdrir”

As I said, coming into day two I was looking for those reach outs. After getting Titus’s I tuned a50 out. Cabd saw his, and it’s what we were crumbing about.

[Annie Edison]

@ffery- as I posted at day start I reread and think gypyx was unfairly written off.

I’m really struggling to see Bell scum. I had him pegged as mason or scum in P v FL and I gave into the paranoia day two, but on reevaluation I just don’t get that vibe at all here.

Brian still is town.

Dunn still is town.

Hench is town and I’m hoping they can break out of their tunnel with everything laid out there.

Superb- idk. Like, my meter here agrees with not liking the pushes he’s come into today with but that’s entirely on brand for how he’s been all game.

Sending this then trying to think through your side.

[Annie Edison]

I’m confused why I jumped in Borks list

[Annie Edison]

I’ve already explained my read on you two and Cabd so I’m just skipping these. I’m over here and can’t push Cabd anyways, I figure I’d rather deal with the ribbing for misreading him as town than missing him as scum tho

Peta I guess is a mason but his entrance to day two I thought he was the follower pair. I still have no real sus his direction

Fire is there and I love his posting. I didn’t really like how he seems to be instigating some and he’s definitely more of an entity than in xeno.

LLD I’m townreading. I don’t have a scum baseline but I like what she’s saying even if I really disagreed with the way she pushed you.

A50 I’ve gone over how I feel over the targets.

Obtusebear seeing I’m town when it seems a lot of people were slow to get there is kind of jarring? But I want to call it town. He was quicker to go for me

Skitter I’ve already explained why I think her claim is the outlier. Her “leaving me be” lasted for like 12 hours too but whatever.

Pooky has been a nonentity other than that godawful flavor elim which I did kinda agree with bc paranoia but not in two fucking hours

The mouse wizard as I said in my wall had weird Shelly trajectory upon reread.

I think I’m missing someone

[Annie Edison]

Oh cool I was right about peta

Ha I got there before Cabd

[Annie Edison]

@fire maybe egging it on? I’m not really sure what the right term is

You feel like Katniss Firebringer over there rebelling against President Cabd

[Annie Edison]

If both sides are scum they HAVE to have split PTs or it’s useless

[Annie Edison]

Gypyx a50 skitter Pooky Spiffeh

cabd

maybe fire?

Is this crazy?

[Annie Edison]

The odds weren’t ever in my favor

[Annie Edison]

5762

Fire pls direct Spiffeh to this tia

[Annie Edison]

Because I wasn’t engaging and now I am

[Annie Edison]

LLD who are the wolves toying with him

Because I’ve been one of the few thats actively said stuff about it today

Ninja-
I mean, the other side is where most of mine are rn

[Annie Edison]

Ouch. The truth hirts

[Annie Edison]

theres this kind of paralelism between all the claimed and known prs between all the threads, claimed protective starting in both threads, two roles that need to be stiled, the receiver pairs

im not saying they all have to be town because i don't know that and it'd be weird (plus all the pr claims are scummy) but things really do seem to mirror each other


and the intent with the turnstiles is obviously to create a logjam where not everyone can get to the other thread to do something useful and that weakens the expected effect of any potential power role

and most of the PRs basically outed themselves day 1 asking to be turnstiled, which is bizarre to me but id almost expect some multiplicity by design because of the whole logjam thing. i would think scum would theoretically have roles that only work on the other side too to give them some incentive to cross over but i dont know. it would still seem to be unconventional to me to ask to be turnstiled right away as scum just to block town and get locked into a pr claim but clearly not everyone thinks like me in that regard

but even saying that, if we split the two threads into pairs

two ivestigatives + a protective + two other gated PRs of some stripe

is not really outrageously far out of line with what seems to be standard balance for mini games in 2020? obv that is complicated by there being other roles and it'd be super dumb if scum just werent trying to get turnstiled but i cant stop thinking about how things seem to mirror

Okay, so you missed some of the parrallels but I’d been looking here too.

Both of us receivers started over there, with our senders over here. The people who seem to be able to work on either side seem to have all start forwards.

Both sides STARTED with a protective. There seems to be. Protective/blocker that can swap over to the other side- we have two claims on the table that fit this grouping from inverter.

[Annie Edison]

I was informed my tracker started on the opposite side of me and saw something (which bulge actually recently asked me again about but I don’t remember what it was) over here from unwnd that made me think it was him. Dunn’s reaction to the claim from Shelly made me realize it wasn’t him, but then when the night action came in from forwards I knew it wasn’t pisskop or Pooky.

As I said, in day two I thought it was Titus until I talked to Cabd

[Annie Edison]

Yeah, I suppose that’s fair about Spiffeh peta.

Assuming we use the one in four logic from our set id assume that set follows a similar rule and I expect there’s a fourth in the either side set as well

[Annie Edison]

Didn't Annie say if she Turnstiled the Tracker would get the result too or something?

Idk why not knowing which thread their Tracker is in makes their decision to turnstile NAI or anti-town.

If we exist in same timeline we both get results

[Annie Edison]

I should have engaged more and fought it.

[Annie Edison]

UNVOTE:

[Annie Edison]

By you townreading skitter I’m assuming you think bell is scum?

[Annie Edison]

Also in regards to bell as I’ve said a few times I had his low engagement and activity pegged as scum or hiding in the mason pt

I don’t feel similarly here

Ninja-

It’s good. Watch with subs imo.

[Annie Edison]

Hi staying out of this but it’s a well documented fact Titus and I used to butt heads all the time and I actually wanted to lean into that in mufflers port but Titus said no

The pt is public so you can fact check me

[Annie Edison]

I mean it’s hard to engage someone who f5s as someone who posts on the prod timer

I also got run up because some people were impatient too so that seems a tad unfair

[Annie Edison]

I can’t comment there my only experience was multiball where I died n1

I think I tunneled him tho

[Annie Edison]

I think my actions are betraying my thoughts.

I don’t think a50 is town, but I don’t think your push on him seems super fair

[Annie Edison]

@deacon I’ve been talking into the void

[Annie Edison]

Well yes I’m well aware of that. If it’s any consolation I pinged him.

[Annie Edison]

Yeah, yeah skitter move along

[Annie Edison]

I did, but I’ve been waffling on it as I’ve been trying to understand these target choices more.

[Annie Edison]

Yeah ffery as I said he’s not caught up but he’s going to try to at some time in the near future

[Annie Edison]

For what I said

How’s he supposed to engage me over it before y’all ran me up to claim lol

[Annie Edison]

[Annie Edison]

A50 doesn’t strike me as an f5er tho

[Annie Edison]

@bork why don’t skitter and dandelion make sense as buddies?

Can someone point him my way. I do agree it seems wise to figure out who in the townbloc isn’t town.

[Annie Edison]

LLD asked to talk to dunn.

[Annie Edison]

@bork I’m sure you saw where my mind lies on all of this.

What do you think of bell? You might have said this and I missed it.

Ninja-
Why are they

[Annie Edison]

We have one day after this I’m pretty sure?

I’m really struggling with their scumread on you.

[Annie Edison]

If they seriously elim peta this games a joke lol

[Annie Edison]

Eh

I don’t really go out of my way for it? Although I guess? My only non-newbie scumgsme since I’ve been back I died d2 after almost dying d1. So meh. Alisae said I pocketed them when I wasn’t really doing anything to pocket them

[Annie Edison]

@bork- cool. I’m concerned about the push on him and feel like it’s not kosher.

[Annie Edison]

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[Annie Edison]

There you go bell

[Annie Edison]

Yeah. To be fair I got in a fight with an alt I didn’t realize was kuribo.

But it’s night and day lol.

[Annie Edison]

If it’s any consolation I too wish I could take my vote back

[Annie Edison]

I think fferys townreading me again.

And yea, you’ve now entered my EOD2 paranoia.

[Annie Edison]

Hi Brian

[Annie Edison]

@ffery do you think he’s trying to pocket me? Why would he be? It’s not like I can save him lol I’m lucky if I don’t die today

@brian why should I want to vote bell?

[Annie Edison]

@dunn I don’t know if I answered your question but I think skitter was more likely scum than bell

But they’re saying I should listen to you

[Annie Edison]

Pretty sure someone commented on how to read him in xeno somewhere day one.

No I don’t remember who.

[Annie Edison]

Is that weak modifier or like a useless role

[Annie Edison]

... go on Cabd?

[Annie Edison]

If you’re about to do what I think you are you’re in for a world of I told you sos

[Annie Edison]

No fire this is the hunger games

[Annie Edison]

Bork why are YOU townreading dandelion

[Annie Edison]

Mfw skitters come full circle to tinfoil notsci land

[Annie Edison]

I don’t know.

It’s weird seeing skitter in tinfoil notsci land now that she’s caught up.

Still struggling to see bell, hp, you, and Dunn flip red.

[Annie Edison]

@bork I’ve been trying to figure out why you think I’m weird

Is it bc I’m actively engaging you more right now?

[Annie Edison]

Your Cabd bowl and Spiffeh theory.

I did it at the start of the day.

It’s weird seeing now that you have all the info your reads took the same turn my did, given I’m your biggest scumread

[Annie Edison]

notty one of my biggest problems with you rn is that you were at Cabd's beck and call yesterday but today you've seemingly done a 180 on them without making much noise about it

I think paranoia on their slot is reasonable given the game state but the way you are subtly suggesting them as a scum candidate without really committing looks more like an attempt to discredit their read on you than genuine concern about their alignment

If town!notty thinks scum!Cabd is controlling the game I expect him to be a lot louder about it and hard engage about the issues he's noticing and from what I've read you're just tiptoeing around it and possibly laying the groundwork for a future push

Can you give an update on your Dandelion read?

I’m in this weird state where I both want to trust deacon but purge Cabd with fire. I don’t discount he might look just like Xeno, but with the gamestate as it is, with this core, we’re just so off base there HAS to be scum in the bloc. And I’m trying to work with deacon as they still are my strongest townread, and they’ve asked me to pump the brakes on it.

But no. Especially given the information on how his role works, I would very easily believe it’s a scum role. He chose to communicate with imperium and deacon, yes, but as I’ve said already I still firmly believe that Cabd would LOVE the opportunity to snow them and the continued opportunity to snow them via Dunn’s neighborhood. Wrt Dunn I’ve hated his pushes on bell and me but feel like he’s in an echo chamber so it’s understandable. I don’t think he’s scum for the pushes but they just don’t feel kosher?

I know deacon said bell was fanning my paranoia regarding the interaction but I don’t think scum bell would KNOW to fan my paranoia without being coached on that regarding them? And I still struggle to see scum in his day one play. I can maybe see the argument about his AtE and willingly sowing discord but I don’t feel like that even became a thing until the push on him, and I had the same reaction without him even being able to have any bearing on my alignment.

I even had those suspicions about you and super bowls swap that now skitter, who I’ve been toe to toe with all game, is echoing. It’s just all sorts of fucking weird.

I know you want a full case but I don’t have the time for it right now. It’s going off of my read of the gamestate

[Annie Edison]

LLDs been pretty great this game and I’m going to be bummed if she’s scum

[Annie Edison]

I’m not saying it doesn’t. But I know I’m opening Pandora’s box with this.

[Annie Edison]

I told you throughout this I still think you two are town. And yeah, maybe Ffery does but unless my memory is failing me, those cogs were sent in motion by someone else.

[Annie Edison]

Okay, Bork. I still think it’s overall weird skitter somehow got to the same conclusion as me despite how adamant she was about me.

[Annie Edison]

Hi ffery!

Now I understand part of the bell readflip are the crumbs from the doctor that never happened. Other than the aforementioned ate and sowing discord is there something else I’m missing?

Because I really had a lot of concern for the timing of cabds readflip on me and then going “well sucks it came up now when we can’t talk about it” when he was the one who brought it up lol

[Annie Edison]

I feel like I've been trying to maintain the structural integrity of a very muddy dike regarding Cabd's read of you, ever since mid-ish Day 2. And sometimes my certainty erodes.

I can't maintain my read of you and that sucks. :/

I'm not looking forward to it if I survive to be in the same thread with you.

Well I’ve been the pretty consistent wagon today. I think this is a do or die time to get me sorted before we get there? I think we both know I’m making it to tomorrow even if I flip.

[Annie Edison]

About the weak thing?

I suppose curiosity and cats apply here. But I was wondering because that made me wonder why not swap a weak modifier role that could actually get stuff done than superb? Plus it’s massclaim anyways? So why does it matter I want more elaboration?

[Annie Edison]

Yeah roadmap to kill And all that.

We’d still need to flip them to use it iirc from what he said, so scum likely shoot there anyways? Plus I thought we moved to full transparency,

Like yes on a very base level it’s a scummy action but like... meh? I doubt I’d actually be that openly curious as scum

[Annie Edison]

I know I owe people shit but I’m trying to distract myself from how fucking stupid work is

I’ll get those when I get home.

I feel like I would expect at least one scum role with a similar modifier to Dunn’s.

[Annie Edison]

unless we think bell got cross-thread roleblocked for people interpreting a doctor crumb

But in that case, why not just kill them

That is what I thought

Ans who knows

[Annie Edison]

I’m down for the sheep lld game

[Annie Edison]

Because I think she’s town and I’m feeling the vibe right now

[Annie Edison]

P sure if they send skitter over I just die lol

[Annie Edison]

I’m assuming she can amass the votes to elim me?

Unless you’d rather elim her?

Superb hench skitter you ________

Where the hammer would likely be gypyx or something

[Annie Edison]

Cool do whatever then

[Annie Edison]

If they want me to go back over there I can do that as well

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: purple room dunn

VOTE: turnstile Annie

[Annie Edison]

I can turnstile hench if you really want.

[Annie Edison]

To make you mad

[Annie Edison]

Yeah yeah Annie sucks for misunderstanding what her role pm said

The horse is dead already folks

[Annie Edison]

if you got the names how were you confused on who the tracker was?

Okay. So I was not told in my role pm my counterpart only that they start opposite me.

Through my reading it seemed like my results would be vague, like “Visited imperium”

Then when D2 hit I saw I was wrong and I got “Dunnstral went to Cabdrir”

As I said, coming into day two I was looking for those reach outs. After getting Titus’s I tuned a50 out. Cabd saw his, and it’s what we were crumbing about.

[Annie Edison]

@Dunn I dont know who id trust. Im struggling to have my trust in ffery outweigh my paranoia. If I can't trust her read idfk

[Annie Edison]

yes katniss I agree

[Annie Edison]

that was directed to katniss firebringer finding it weird skitter ended up synced with me of all people

[Annie Edison]

hi spiffy

[Annie Edison]

who does the other side want

[Annie Edison]

because even if you don't care others do

[Annie Edison]

Sending my love to the other side.

[Annie Edison]

I don’t have the energy to be here. I’ll try to be here tomorrow night, Monday latest.

[Annie Edison]

VOTE: skitter

As I said I would yada yada

[Annie Edison]

I think it’s highly unlikely a doctor and watcher can coexist in the same timeline from day one

[Annie Edison]

I won’t be voting (dunn, Brian, myself)

[Annie Edison]

We don’t get an extension btw.