Mini 666 - This Could Be Mafia - MOD ABANDONED

[ShadowGirl]

Sorry, I'm afraid I don't match up to Erg0 but I hope I'll do.

[ShadowGirl]

It's magic.

Timeater, if you've asked for a replacement why isn't skitzer looking for a replacement for you? :/ He was only looking for one for Iron Man, and well, here I am.

And now, I'll reread.

[ShadowGirl]

My bad. Didn't realize Time was replaced.

[ShadowGirl]

Small question: What's 'tbh'?

I'm all for reverse-lynching, but I don't if it will work on NPCs, simply for the fact that they're, well... NPCs. And I'm just wondering how the game would be fair if we could resurrect players. It would just be a trial and error process of going through all the players until we found scum. I think it's more of stopping a lynch then resurrection.

I consider Time replacing out as a null tell, but I wasn't a fan of the personal insults. Freaking out and becoming agressive is also a null tell in my opinion. Given that I haven't played with him before. I'll take a look at Mental War mafia, though.

Positive vote: Grimmy

I don't like his reasoning for lynching Time - finding a replacement won't hold up the game that much. :/

[ShadowGirl]

And:

negative vote: Jimmybot

You will rise again!

[ShadowGirl]

We need to lynch Ergo. I find his wagon full of information.

Positive Vote: Ergo

Because of his predecessor or...?

[ShadowGirl]

Yeah, I don't think Time's behaviour constitutes a lynch solely based on him being replaced. :/

Sure, he was a bit eager to respond to comments, but it'd take it as an overall null tell.

[ShadowGirl]

The best summarization of the case on Grimmy:

He put someone at L-1 for a lame reason, then unvotes and pointed fingers of suspicion at two lurking players, even though one of those players was decidedly not lurking.

[ShadowGirl]

Unvote.

Hm. I will keep in mind what Grimmy did - putting someone to L-1 solely for asking a replacement isn't good however...

Tajo seems to be looking worse and worse.

He seems to have just pulled a reason out a hat to justify lynching Erg0. :/

[ShadowGirl]

Why?

Well, I would rather lynch someone because they're scummy as opposed to the lynch just giving us information. :/ I mean, Time hasn't really done much wrong other then a bit of weird play at the beginning.

[ShadowGirl]

Why?

Well, I would rather lynch someone because they're scummy as opposed to the lynch just giving us information. :/ I mean, Time hasn't really done much wrong other then a bit of weird play at the beginning.

And what did I do for be lynchworthy?

Wanting to lynch someone solely because of information. And how much will we really gain from that, anyway?

[ShadowGirl]

Why?

Well, I would rather lynch someone because they're scummy as opposed to the lynch just giving us information. :/ I mean, Time hasn't really done much wrong other then a bit of weird play at the beginning.

And what did I do for be lynchworthy?

Wanting to lynch someone solely because of information. And how much will we really gain from that, anyway?

Read post 153. Emphasis in "this exact moment"
Does that make me scum? Really?

Couldn't the same be said for you, that your wagon would be full of information as well? :/

Anyway, I'm a bit too scatterbrained trying to do homework and pay attention to this game. I'll post tommorow~

Oops, guess my unvote unvoted both my votes.

Negative vote: Jimmybot

[ShadowGirl]

I agreed with Popular because he was right why do both Popular and Shadowgirl have a problem with that? I never buddied up or anything, I simply agreed.

Muerrto, I don't think that was me...?

[ShadowGirl]

Shadowgirl, happy with my reasons?

Not... really, seeing as I'm not really sure what reasons you're pushing at. I assume they're these two: [If there are any more, tell me.]

- Erg0 is an informative lynch: You've yet to actually say what we learn depending on his alignment.

- Wagon reasoning point: This one is a little more valid, as seeing who is genuinely on a wagon because they believe the person is scum or because they're merely following the crowd is good, however... It seems you're the one who's trying to lynch someone based on a bad reason. :/

[ShadowGirl]

Do I have to give you everything? Assuming, you are really scumhunting, what information could you gather of Ergo's and Tajo's possible lynch?

We're not talking about what info we're gaining from tajo's lynch.

And I'm not going to answer that question for you, especially since I believe three people have asked you for it. You're the one who says the lynch is informative - you're the one who has to explain themselves, not get other people to do it for you.

What bad reason?!!

I don't mean bad, but more of a weak reason.

[ShadowGirl]

Shadowgirl: Still dont know if this girl is scum or isnt just paying attention. Joins the group of thinking Timeter asking a replacement is null tell. Joins the attackers of my case. Low posting. Neutral.

Low posting? I've posted nearly every day since I've replaced in.

Happy Birthday skitzer! <3

[ShadowGirl]

Short post, sorry - homework. Comment more tommorow.

This doesnt make sense becuase a)if there's buddying then both have to be scum not just one and b)it was so fucking early to tell who is scum and who isnt with that degree of certainty.......

a) scum buddy up to townsfolk.

If we are lynching people primarily for information, I find your lynch very educational, Tajo.

unvote both
positive vote:populartajo

Not liking the wagon vote. :/

- A bit early for the claim, in my opinion since I don't believe a speedlynch is likely to happen without you claiming. Still, I don't think we should be throwing away power roles at this point. It may be hard to prove, but...

[ShadowGirl]

Short post, sorry - homework. Comment more tommorow.

This doesnt make sense becuase a)if there's buddying then both have to be scum not just one and b)it was so fucking early to tell who is scum and who isnt with that degree of certainty.......

a) scum buddy up to townsfolk.

If we are lynching people primarily for information, I find your lynch very educational, Tajo.

unvote both
positive vote:populartajo

Not liking the wagon vote. :/

- A bit early for the claim, in my opinion since I don't believe a speedlynch is likely to happen without you claiming. Still, I don't think we should be throwing away power roles at this point. It may be hard to prove, but...

Hey girl, you believed my claim quite fast, huh?
And Battousai, Im confused in a)why do you think the things you cited for voting me are scumtells and b)why do you think my claim cant be proved?

I'm not saying I completely believe it, and nowhere in my post do I say so. I'm saying that with no way to prove it at the moment we should keep you around since we shouldn't waste PRs. Don't twist my words, thank you.

[ShadowGirl]

Well, I guess the fact that a line from his claim was identical (As in word for word) to my own town role was what I took notice of first. It's somewhat of a common phrase for pro-town role PMs, and I'm unsure of if you could assume it's being used, judging from what you get as a scum.

It does sound pretty standard. :/

Still, mine was worded much the same.

[ShadowGirl]

Thats why I asked who believed and who didnt believe my claim. Apparently Muerrto has another win condition...

Because he doesn't agree that said single line in your pm proves you to be town?

[ShadowGirl]

Thats why I asked who believed and who didnt believe my claim. Apparently Muerrto has another win condition...

Because he doesn't agree that said single line in your pm proves you to be town?

When did I say that?

I didn't say you did. I'm asking you.

[ShadowGirl]

I'm a little suspicious of how quick Tony was to back up on it, but...

Anyway, having another win condition different then ours doesn't mean he's necessarily scum...? Though I don't know what roles that would benificial to town that don't have the same condition as 'us'. [Townies.]

Positive vote: Muerrto

[ShadowGirl]

Positive unvote.

Just realized how utterly stupid and impulsive that vote was.

[ShadowGirl]

If the townie pm isn't in the rules, I don't believe standard for the scum to be aware of what their condition is? On the other hand, if tajo is scum he could just inverse whatever his win condition is to make it look like he's town. Still, it seems like a bit too risky to do if he's lying.

[ShadowGirl]

Been busy over the weekend - going to do a small reread.

[ShadowGirl]

Done a reread and the only person that really stands out to me is Tony:

This doesnt make sense becuase a)if there's buddying then both have to be scum not just one and b)it was so fucking early to tell who is scum and who isnt with that degree of certainty.......

a) scum buddy up to townsfolk.

If we are lynching people primarily for information, I find your lynch very educational, Tajo.

unvote both
positive vote:populartajo

And what specific information would we be gaining? I don't care if this situation is long gone, I'd like to hear what your thoughts were on it since you didn't divulge them.

Meanwhile, TonyMontana is looking odd. Votes tajo for trying to buddy up with someone, then he abruptly unvotes. I think he's got some splainin to do.

The buddy comment was not related to the vote. And I unvoted because I believe Tajo's claim.

You should at least explain your unvote and instead of just saying unvote. :/

Mod, can we have a prod on Voodoo?

[ShadowGirl]

Eh, I'm not too convinced of a tony-tajo link at the moment, but I can see some potential buddying up.

Batt, I believe Falcone also said he had the same win condition.

[ShadowGirl]

Didn't Time's soft claim allude to a profession? Disturbia just seems weird to me.

[ShadowGirl]

I'll go ahead and soft-claim and say I

could

be a profession tennis ball runner. I'll let you extrapolate from that what you will.

[ShadowGirl]

A tennis ball runner does just that - he chases after tennis balls, like when they go out.

I think he made a typo as far as 'professional', but since he didn't correct himself I would think that's what he meant to say.

[ShadowGirl]

Sorry?

[ShadowGirl]

Well, Time's make sense to me since I also have a profession based one.

Not that I think either of us should role claim.

[ShadowGirl]

EBWOP: Soft claim, not role claim.

[ShadowGirl]

Yeah... I think we should just leave it be for now.

[ShadowGirl]

So, Muerrto, you don't believe his townie win condition because you have different one? Then what is yours...?

Mm, off for the night - brain failing me.

[ShadowGirl]

Hn. I'm not so keen on killing off on lynching a potential power role needlessly on the first day, and I'm not so convinced as Muerrto being scum either. Anyway, from rereading the last few pages it seems you and tajo do have the same win condition.

I'm really most suspicious of Tony, who has simply been hopping on the past couple wagons without much reasoning. And Tony, you missed my single question on post 297.

[ShadowGirl]

Tony, are you just not reading my posts or do you just not want to answer my question?

[ShadowGirl]

I didn't have any information in mind. It was just a counter-punch to Tajo saying he wanted info from an ergo lynch.

They why would you use that sentence?

If we are lynching people primarily for information, I find your lynch very educational, Tajo.

unvote both
positive vote:populartajo

You must have had something in mind. Especially because you

voted

him for said reason.

Mm, where is Grimmy?

So, for the moment:

postive vote: Tony

[ShadowGirl]

Look, the only viable buddy scenario here is that I am scum (with uncharacteristically good skills).
That Tajo guessed the win condition is highly unlikely to start with, but that I made a play to point out the validity of the condition, without being able to know if it's right is downright preposterous.

If you were scum and he were town, then he would have no reason to lie about it. And thus, I wouldn't say it's quite so preposterous to make a move that would make you look cleared.

I already proved its not a standard win condition.

It sort of is, but - really, Tony proved it was not a standard win condition, not you.

But if scum got the townie pm, then wouldn't townies get the scum pm? That seems more... normal. Then again, I guess this game isn't really normal. :/

[ShadowGirl]

Look, the only viable buddy scenario here is that I am scum (with uncharacteristically good skills).
That Tajo guessed the win condition is highly unlikely to start with, but that I made a play to point out the validity of the condition, without being able to know if it's right is downright preposterous.

If you were scum and he were town, then he would have no reason to lie about it. And thus, I wouldn't say it's quite so preposterous to make a move that would make you look cleared.

Read again.

Why are we assuming he guessed it? If he's town he would know it.

[ShadowGirl]

Weekend, homework, see ya'll on monday.

[ShadowGirl]

I don't know. I'm just saying, the less we know the better.

The less we know the better? Shouldn't it be the opposite? More knowledge for town = good?

[ShadowGirl]

I'm just trying to think of how PRs would have different win conditions, unless they're some third party role. I mean, obviously I don't want to out any PRs, but Tony, I'm just sort of getting the vibe that you want to put the win condition discussion under the rug so you don't accidentally slip up anywhere.

[ShadowGirl]

Look, Shadowgirl, what do you expect to learn from a reveal of who has the same win condition?

Not the same, different. Well, find scum and possibly any SKs or other detrimental roles to town. You don't want the discussion to continue, why not?

@Tajo: My suspicion is still on Tony for reasons I've said before: wagonning, being generally evasive [or not reading the thread], and you not wanting to discuss the conditions is a little odd - or at least not giving any reason as to why you don't want to.

Mod, can we have a prod on Erg0, Batt?

I'll release one upon Erg0. I notice Battousai does not need one.

[ShadowGirl]

Because I hadn't realized exactly how long it had been since they'd posted. This game has lagged a bit, if you haven't noticed. Batt posted in the last page, and it doesn't seem like that long since then. And Erg0 doesn't seem to be posting much anywhere. :/
As I've said before - Yes, I'm leaning towards believing your claim - that doesn't mean I completely consider it true.
Hm, I haven't gotten much of a read on Muerrto for one way or the other, really. I'll think I'll do a small reread on him.

[ShadowGirl]

Mod, I'm positive voting Tony.

[ShadowGirl]

@Falcone: Yes, I do have the same win condition as him.

If we discuss alternate win conditions, the scum/third party roles (who already have a different win condition) will know who has different conditions, and may choose to kill those people off to try and kill all the town powerroles. If tony is scum, he could also take this chance to not only appear to be helping the town, but to get the discussion off of him and tajo claiming to have the same win condition and the likes and try to blend in again.

But why would PRs have different win conditions? I can only think that it's logical that third party and scum would have different conditions. And don't worry about tony blending back in - I've got my on him.

Choice A, he's town and a watcher. Choice B is retarded. Scum with a town win condition? Why the hell would you have a town win condition as scum? Choice C is also retarded. Guessing the number between 1-1000 is lucky. Guessing that you win as town when all threats are elimanated etc is NOT lucky, it's obvious. I have no clue where this 1 in 5 crap came from and sadly, neither does Tajo. Read back, that statistic was given by Tony, not Tajo. Tajo simply ran with it because it painted him in a better light.

What, so are you saying the most logical conclusion is that he's not scum and indeed the watcher?

[ShadowGirl]

I find that right now both of you are locked in on the same OMGUS argument of "you're not scumhunting because you are just going after me". I would like to hear your guys' opinions on the other people in this game. Tajo said before what he thought of everyone, but it has been a while since, and this whole thing between you two could have brought more information out. Muerrto, you haven't really stated opinions on much more than tajo and time all game. I would really like to see your thoughts.

This. It seems like two townies in a redundant fight - which is why I don't have much interest in voting either of you.

Is it just me, or does Tony just seem to be here for small bouts of time?

Jimmy needs more votes. Won't you vote Jimmy? <3

[ShadowGirl]

But Tony is actively posting in other games, while Grimmy and Erg0 aren't so much.

[ShadowGirl]

@Batt - I think the longer we go the more information we will get, but it will also cause people to lose interest in the game. I just came in so I am not burned out on D1, but I will agree if the people that have been in this game from early on want to end the day. I would say wait until Voodoo gets replaced, but I don't know how long that is going to take.

This. Seeing as how this game is starting to a lag a bit, I wouldn't mind speeding it up a bit [not so fast that we just lynch anybody to end the day]. Still, hopefully we get a Voodoo replacement but it took awhile to get one for nhat...

[ShadowGirl]

Mm, Tajo, when did you ask Muerrto to make a PBA?

[ShadowGirl]

You didn't bold the vote, Falcone. <3

[ShadowGirl]

CP, do you mean that you think that we can only lynchproof someone on the first day? Or that all negative votes will be removed after we negative lynch someone?

Tony, considering that we haven't gone to night, I think that would mean it's not a lynch.

[ShadowGirl]

JimmyBot, Pet Rock,

Cannot Be Lynched

, Day 1.

Yeah, lynch immunity.

Mod, Erg0 still hasn't posted since the prod, what's the situation?

He has PMed me and says he will catch up. Meanwhile, pickemgenius replaces Voodo.

[ShadowGirl]

It's possible, but I think for today it's only a lynch immunity.

[ShadowGirl]

Happy scumday tajo!

Mm, it would be a better if you did elaborate a little pickem.

[ShadowGirl]

1. Anger can be townie but it is usually scum that stoop to insulting other's arguments when they're not able to formulate their fake defense.

This becomes a tell depending on the person. Tajo seems to be the person who gets angry even as a town, so I'm not so sure if this would be a tell for him... (I'd reference, but it's an ongoing game.)

@Grimmy: Hmm... I'm starting to think it's be more subtle buddying and trying to create a link between them. Really, if Tony flips scum who would the next person be that we would take a hard look at? [At this point, anyway.] Tajo.

[ShadowGirl]

Prod on Falcone, please.

Zoom!

So, why the negative vote on Tajo?

[ShadowGirl]

Prod on pickem? Tajo has the rest covered.

Whoosh! (onomatapoeias is fun)

Because i can. What's the point of having negative vote powers, if you're not gonna use em to promote your intentions? -.-

So you feel strongly about tajo not being scum?

Will read over what's been said from my last post - must get off.

[ShadowGirl]

I am not saying tajo isn't scum, just that there are much better choices at the moment (IMO anyway).

Who is your top choice?

Sorry, haven't been checking in much. x_x

[ShadowGirl]

I think Falcone may have dissapeared. x_x

CP: What do you think of Tony? Who has dissapeared just a tad, once again...

[ShadowGirl]

@CP: Well, I meant other then that post saying he was going on V/LA. And yes, a list would be nice.

@Batt: My thoughts exactly. :/
I hope nothing bad has happened to Falcone.

And I shall do a mini reread of the past few pages to catch myself up.

[ShadowGirl]

Skitzer, I love your prodding commentary. <3

Okay, three days until deadline with... three people missing. x_x

[ShadowGirl]

Off the top of my head - not done reread yet.

Tony - 2
Muerrto - 4
Grimmy - 4
Fuzzy - 5
Ergo - 5
Batto - 6
Falcone - 7
PEG - 7
Competent - 7
Vivian - 8
Tajo - 9
Shadowgirl -

[ShadowGirl]

Girl, I dont get something. Why do I have a 9 and Tony is your top lynch when I have stated that I believe him to be impossible scum barring some unusual circunstances? Or do you think Im wrong in my Tony appreciation?

That's your opinion, not mine. I don't believe you two to be scum buddies, so yes, I suppose I do believe you're wrong in your Tony appreciation.

Also, Tony, how have I gone from a 7 to 5? Or is this just based on the new system that 5 is an 'on the fence' vote?

[ShadowGirl]

Fair nuff.
But why am I wrong?

You believe him to be town because he stated that his win condition was the same as your own, right? And that it would be a risky gambit to agree with you if he was scum? Knowing you to be town he would see no reason for you to lie, and state your actual condition. Here it is:

I could be your watcher, guys and I could win when all the threats to the town are eliminated.

Seeing as this is 'This Could be Mafia' it's not quite as a risky to take your exact sentence as what you meant your win condition to be.

[ShadowGirl]

Prods: Tony, Tajo, Pickem, Vivian, CP,

Zoom! Zoom! Zoom! Zoom!

Five days 'til deadline...

Bleh, I'm fine with where my vote is.

Zoom!

[ShadowGirl]

You're fine with potentially lynching a PR on day one?

[ShadowGirl]

I don't see why it's so hard to believe that he guessed it. :/ It's "This Could be Mafia".

And tajo, just because you don't believe he's scum doesn't make him cleared.

[ShadowGirl]

You're fine with potentially lynching a PR on day one?

A

potenial

watcher when nothing in his play has labelled him as town?

Yes.

But, yeah, I'd vote Tony if I had to. Those two are way too closely knit right now.

I did say potentially. :/

I prefer a Tony lynch today, but tommorow depending on the results I might be willing to lynch tajo.

Shadowgirl and everyone suspecting Tony, if you were scum and you could mislynch a player almost everyone suspects, would you unvote him and post that you have the exact same win condition in your PM?

Bleh, I don't like the 'if you were scum' question, but...

Yeah, as Batt said, lynching a power role day one would not look good. As well, if you get lynched and turn up town and he vouched for you as to have the same condition, that would make him look, don't you think?

[ShadowGirl]

I don't want to lynch you... Nine is way way from wanting to lynch you. o_o

Why wouldn't he think that was your win condition?

[ShadowGirl]

Ok, we got 4 candidates now with votes. How about we all list how likely we would vote the 4 and put them in order

(1 most likely, 10 least likely).

This way we can compare the list and hopefully come to a consensus, even if it's not on your top choice. You can add anyone else to the list if you want, but the top 4 have the best chance of being lynched.

You've been using the same system as me...

[ShadowGirl]

I prefer a Tony lynch today, but tommorow depending on the results I might be willing to lynch tajo.

There's just zero rationality in this.
Explain how your view on tajo would change depending on my flip?

I meant results on his tracking, not the flip.

[ShadowGirl]

I prefer a Tony lynch today, but tommorow depending on the results I might be willing to lynch tajo.

There's just zero rationality in this.
Explain how your view on tajo would change depending on my flip?

I meant results on his tracking, not the flip.

What results can indicate my alignment?

I don't see how this needs to be discussed now. And plus, there's quite a few variables to it.

[ShadowGirl]

I already said I

don't

want to lynch at this time, partially because of your claim.

[ShadowGirl]

Mainly because he's attacking because of your playstyle, at least from what I can recall. As you can see, he's tied for second and almost an on the fence vote.

Also, can you summarize your case on him since it's all over the place?

@Muerrto: Can you also summarize your case on Tajo?

I apologize, but you two just seem to have been going at it for pages and pages. :/

[ShadowGirl]

Tajo, did you ever give a name claim?

[ShadowGirl]

I don't think anyone is concerned about the word "could", i think everyone knows that is in all the PMs.

Secondly, again you repeat the ridiculous notion that the word "could" is relevant.

These somehow seem contradictory.

[ShadowGirl]

Muerrto, one question before I have to go: how much of a possibility do you think there is that tony and tajo could be scum buddies?

[ShadowGirl]

Tajo, did you ever give a name claim?

Srsly off now.

But I agree with Muerrto - I don't see how switching the scum win condition is that farfetched for it to come out alright.

[ShadowGirl]

Tajo, I don't like how you were subtly pushing me to vote Muerrto... and I'm getting the impression from bringing up the standings as well.

I'd like to make amends to my list:
Muerrto : 6
Tajo: 6 (Seeing as it was absolutely ridiculous for me to bump you up to a nine solely because of your claim.)

Prods: On everyone who hasn't posted. x_x

How can we possibly get a majority when only four/five people are posting regularily?

[ShadowGirl]

Batt, would you be willing to vote tajo?

I think the blatant lying part was more of an exagerration. :/

[ShadowGirl]

I know you're a town? Not so. I wasn't very keen on lynching you due to your role, but I think I shouldn't be quite so wary. I made an oversight, as well. x_x

And plus, it's only a question. Cool it.

[ShadowGirl]

Well, he admitted that he was angry that you prodded him, but you dismiss his points of your playing style.

It seems too... pot calling the kettle black?

[ShadowGirl]

Tajo: Some people don't like to be prodded when it isn't needed - it's almost like saying they haven't been contributing. He already said that was the intial reason he voted you. No, I don't think a mistaken prod necessarilly earns a vote.

But since then my opinion of you is diminishing you. I feel that the reasons I placed you say didn't warrant to put you that high - you being a potential role (which due to an oversight on my part, I no longer believe: Still, I do believe it may have turned out alright) and a weak meta from a game I was in with you.

Batt: It seems like that will be the case.

[ShadowGirl]

I feel you skitzer. <3 I'd double replace in if I could. ;P

Can we get a round of prods?

Yes ma'am. They're on the house.

Two days 'til deadline and we don't even have a majority posting.

[ShadowGirl]

Don't. You think I'll keep around because you think I'm town? No thanks.

Muerrto.

[ShadowGirl]

Skitzer, you're awesome. <3

It was a mass prod - not just you. I even got it.

[ShadowGirl]

I knew it was sarcasm - I just wanted to state that everyone was getting one. :/

[ShadowGirl]

Er, alright?

[ShadowGirl]

Is that all you have to say?

[ShadowGirl]

Mod, please, VC and whats your policy in deadline lynches?
Not really a point in a vote count if there have been no votes given.
No lynch at deadline. Unless there is a majority of votes.

Majority must be reached.

[ShadowGirl]

I find your last paragraph funny.

[ShadowGirl]

I did freak out because your vote was like the most unexpected thing in my whole time here in MS.

And the usage of the word like in the next sentence as well.

Made my day. <3

[ShadowGirl]

If I had panicked I would have claimed doctor or cop not a lame watcher, dont you think? Its obvious I got a little worried for being lynched and I claimed so that people dont waste more time on me. All the players, specially me, hate to be lynched D1 for such weak reasons.

Not necessarily. A claim of any kind of power role would likely get you to the next day, and I believe that's your intention - a watcher is something that is hard to prove, so we may or may not keep you around on day two. But that is your goal: don't get lynched on day one. One townie down is good for scum (in the instance of lynching Muerrto and plus the NK) as is the possibility of possibly getting not getting lynched the next day.

Positive unvote, positive vote: Tajo

[ShadowGirl]

Mod: Status on prods, how many it takes to lynch, and what are the possibilites of another extension? ;_;

ERG)<vVIVIANDARKBLAAM< AND FALCONE HAVE NOT PICKED UP THEIR PRODS>
IT TAKES SEVEN TO LYNCH
DEADLINE EXTENSION GRANTED> NEW DEADLINE: NOVEMBER THIRTEENTH

I really hate to ask for one, but it's not physically possible to even get a majority. ><

[ShadowGirl]

-bows down to skitzer- Thank you! By the way, I think Falcone is sort of kind of gone, since I've replaced him in another game. >>;

@Tajo: That was a hypothetical situation.

[ShadowGirl]

I don't like the way you've been acting recently: I feel you're using the list as to push people into voting Muerrto due to deadline, as well as the statement that you wouldn't pick watcher as a PR if you were faking it.

[ShadowGirl]

You're being unfair. Don't try and goad me with guilt, my dear tajo.

But that seems to be the only possibility you are open to: who else do you think is scum? If Muerrto flips town? If Muerrto flips scum?

I have weighed it in: and that was partially why I was so quick to dismiss you as scum, as well as a weak meta from another game, which I used to previously vouch for you: I have determined that is not enough to dissuade me either way. I shouldn't have been so hesistant to leave you be because of those factors.

Mm, perhaps that is a hypothesis. The behaviour that you are displaying isn't: the claim seemed a bit too quick as well as the claim you were making was one that is easy to get away with.

[ShadowGirl]

Why nobody has counterclaimed yet?

What do you mean by that? It's like you seem fairly certain that you... would be counterclaimed?

[ShadowGirl]

That's life.
Not weak, persay, but I don't think it should 'clear' you like it did in my mind.
That's not wasn't my point against the watcher role. My point was that it is very hard to confirm.
And that's another problem I have with you: you seem to suddenly very friendly to me. Which I like, but it seems... like you're trying to be friendly to me in hopes I won't vote/unvote you.

[ShadowGirl]

In different instances I can see that statement to be true.
Have I even be in two other games with you?
No, it's not. But considering the current high pressure situation - and your head on the chopping block, it would be in your best interested to be nice to me, wouldn't it?
Cop and doc can confirm themselves far more easily then you can. Would I vote for a claimed doc? Well, you already know the answer to that one. ;P

[ShadowGirl]

Not off the top of my head. This game?
Don't ask me that. Just... don't.
Docs and watchers are completely different role, as well, that's a different game. You're alignment may or may not be the same.

[ShadowGirl]

Ah, I know what you're talking about. Still - different situation.

[ShadowGirl]

If you mean a different game. x_x

[ShadowGirl]

No, he's saying the opposite: that a watcher is a relatively low risk role to claim.

[ShadowGirl]

I'm not saying you know for sure: I'm saying that the chances there is one is rather slim. And about the cop/doc: they may not counterclaim you on day one, but they would probably on the following day.

As well, Miller would get you lynched you for sure. :/

[ShadowGirl]

I feel that the scum could have been given a sample town role pm in their role pm.

I don't like Tajo and I'm fine lynching him but I REALLY don't like this. Has anyone EVER played in a game where you got OTHER people's PM's in yours?

I haven't...

I am/have.

[ShadowGirl]

Why isn't it possible?

[ShadowGirl]

Tell me how it is.

You flip it. I don't see how it's so entirely unfeasible that this is possible.

And for the 100th time it wasnt the reason why Tony is confirmed. The reason was because he said that I had posted my exact win condition without knowing that I had posted the exact win condition.

I've said that it isn't entirely hard to believe he would believe that would be your win condition. :/

No modding yet. :3

[ShadowGirl]

It's possible, I suppose.

He could be:
a) Scum:
I> Your scum buddy and played along with the gambit. (And perhaps recieved the townie PM.)
II> Not your scum buddy and agreed with you, knowing you to be town and when he gets lynched that would partially, even a little confirm him.
b) Townie : And would know this to be the win condition.

Deadline is Nov 13th.

[ShadowGirl]

This is like the first time I hear that scum have threats...
I could be that usually scum have win conditions that involve majority in the game or such.
Ill research and come up with the fact later.

Threats: SK, Cult,

[ShadowGirl]

<3
I doubt a cult, but seeing as we haven't had a night yet we have no way of knowing anything about a possible SK. But yeah, just wanted to bring up possible threats to scum.

Anyway, I think from that post Grimmy doesn't believe you...

[ShadowGirl]

You've said that twice, already. What's stopping you?

[ShadowGirl]

So you believe Muerrto is more scummy then Grimmy? Do you think they could be possible scum partners? [Just wanting to get as much info out as possible.]

[ShadowGirl]

You better not be serious, skitz! D:

Proddings?

[ShadowGirl]

Unvote. Vote: Tajo

This goes against the no lynch powerrole D1, but of the two people I think that could be lynched before deadline, you are the scummiest and have the largest chance of getting lynched.

This is why it's both votes.

Batt, I think you need to unvote negatively.

Tajo, you might not be... It's no lynch, remember?

Vivi, pickem, come out!

[ShadowGirl]

I would prefer a Tony lynch, but yes.

[ShadowGirl]

Like, (couldn't help myself) which question are you asking?

[ShadowGirl]

@Tajo: Yeah.

@Tony: Trying to stop a lynch, hm?

[ShadowGirl]

Was that hammer by any chance?

Remember that Comp and Tony are 100% town.

Wow, if you turn up scum this statement becomes very, very WIFOM-ish.

[ShadowGirl]

^ My other question. When did Comp become confirmed? I find it odd you go out of your way to mention him.

[ShadowGirl]

Not hammer, okay.

... So much WIFOM if you're scum.

[ShadowGirl]

Oh?

Mm, I'm off to watch a movie - see you in an hour and half.

Vivi, pickem! I call out to you!

[ShadowGirl]

Reveals?

En firsta posta

[ShadowGirl]

Oh.

... Well. That isn't really a clear indication of whether they were scum or not.

[ShadowGirl]

Back to the drawing board, then...

[ShadowGirl]

That's not... very helpful. Maybe it was because of an ability?

[ShadowGirl]

This Game, Self-Explanatory, Almost Died, Nightmonth 2.

Ah, you make me laugh skitzer. <3

Somehow... I don't think that's the case. It doesn't take that much effort to put the alignment beside their name. :/

[ShadowGirl]

Prods: On people who haven't posted yet

Where is everyone? o:

[ShadowGirl]

I miss you tajo. ;_; <3

[ShadowGirl]

Why do I have a feeling that it's going to turn out to be modkill madness?

Ugh, I don't really know how to suspect since I don't freaking know if the players who were killed were scum or not. ><

[ShadowGirl]

@CP: Why assumption that Tony was town and not Tajo?

[ShadowGirl]

-sigh- So, what are we supposed to do?

[ShadowGirl]

Darn you skitzer, and not being able to see the alignments!

[ShadowGirl]

... Not safe?

Anyway, the two people who just died have pink and dark blue colours. I'd wonder if it had anything to do with their gender but alas, it was not tajo who had the pink name. ;P

Your ideas?

Mod: I'm not going to be here from 4th to the 10th.

[ShadowGirl]

Skitzer could be messing with us.

Really, colours are just not going to help us, unfortunately.

Does anyone want to claim to making the alignments not show up?

Partying? Ha, no, I think I'm fine at home playing mafia on IRC.

[ShadowGirl]

Faster paced then forums.

And yes, young 'un! We do!

[ShadowGirl]

I don't recall much about anything, but we'll just go with that. <3

In all seriousness : Yeah, I think so.

[ShadowGirl]

No, there's no votes that I can see that haven't been retracted.

[ShadowGirl]

I think it's too early to assume that both of them were not scum (equating to neither one was scum) but I think it's a good bet that it's not the case both were scum.

My thoughts on the assumption are basically this.

Awaiting uh, the people to die...

[ShadowGirl]

TonyMontana, Danity Kane (Weak Doctor), received (a major dose of death/e. coli), Nightmonth 1
populartajo, Disturbia (Watcher), was (sang/bit by a dog), Nightmonth 1
Erg0 (replaced Timeater), Professional Tennis Ball Runner (Tracker), died Day 2
Muerrto, Tainted Tomato (Roleblocking Serial Killer), died Day 2

So, whatever was preventing the reveals is gone...

... And apparently neither Tajo or Tony were scum.

So, does that mean the second kill was made by Muerrto?

[ShadowGirl]

Sorry for pasting the stats again. Playing IRC and didn't expect anyone else to post.

So, that means we still have some mafia out here... Bugger. I was hoping for some mafia to flip. A SK doesn't tell us much. :/

[ShadowGirl]

Negative votes make someone unlynchable for the day, not bring someone back.

[ShadowGirl]

JimmyBot, Pet Rock, Cannot Be Lynched, Day 1

We tested it out on Jimmy on D1.

[ShadowGirl]

I think everyone here is forgetting the full details of a weak doctor. Yes, he could have been killed by scum/SK, but the weak doctor is automatically killed if they protect any mafia members. It's possible that, in his random choice to protect someone, he picked scum and died because of it. The lack of either other kill could be down to a bulletproof or proper doctor stopping the kill.

No, I didn't forget. But it's just that the flavor makes it sound like the tainted tomato and his death were connected (the whole E. Coli thing).

My thoughts. And just off the top of my head as to who he would protect (probably Tajo) I don't think he would have hit scum with a protect. This is just speculation, of course.

[ShadowGirl]

My thoughts. And just off the top of my head as to who he would protect (probably Tajo) I don't think he would have hit scum with a protect. This is just speculation, of course.

If I were Tony I wouldn't have protected tajo as I didn't think scum would kill him. I still don't know why they did. And if he did breadcrumb who he would be protecting he could have been trying to use his role as an investagative one, in which case he would have TRIED to target scum, avoiding tajo.

Why not? He did claim a PR, weak as we all may think it to be.

[ShadowGirl]

@Grimmy: You describe Muerrto being attributed with scum-like qualities (framing someone), when he was only a serial killer.

Also, I don't believe Tajo would solely killed for possible framing. Is everyone forgetting he claimed PR? :/

[ShadowGirl]

God. It completely messes me up that the two people I thought were likely scum and aren't, and that we've got so many new people. I think I new to reread the old thread, though I don't know how much good that will do me.

[ShadowGirl]

See, skitzer, it's been so long that I think the other day happened on another thread altogether! ;P

Anyway, from what I remember I don't think I got too many scummy vibes from Grimmy, but then again, I don't remember him posting much, either.

[ShadowGirl]

I'm not voting Grimmy for a little while. A one page D2? Not happening.

[ShadowGirl]

I'm not voting Grimmy for a little while. A one page D2? Not happening.

You really are not paying much attention at all to this game, are you?

I meant to say one page lynch... or something like that.

But yeah, can't say that I am.

[ShadowGirl]

Well, the entertainment level of this thread went way down when tajo died. Tajo, we miss you! <3

The fact that I was wrong on both counts, lots of replacements, and the fact that this game is no longer fresh in my head? Mmyeah.

[ShadowGirl]

Could be vote count error.

[ShadowGirl]

Master Ruck has dissapeared. skitzer, will you find him for us?
As well, I've JimmyBot has made a cameo appearance in a bit of code I had to do for homework. <3

[ShadowGirl]

EGL, why were you quick to jump to the conclusion that Batt was some sort of null voter instead of thinking it could be human error?

[ShadowGirl]

I'd like you to elaborate on this... lost PM as well.

[ShadowGirl]

Er, I'm not quite sure what Grimmy means with all this PM business...

But suffice to say, I don't think he's scum. Call it gut or whatever, or the fact that there's three people on his wagon...

[ShadowGirl]

Probably, unless there's a lot of overzealous townies.

[ShadowGirl]

@Grimmy: To clarify: you didn't use your power on purpose?

[ShadowGirl]

The PM got misplaced? Then you should PM skitzer that there were technical difficulties...

[ShadowGirl]

@skitzer: Prod on pickem...?

No success. I guess we'll need another replacement...

Ugh. Are we at lylo at any chance? We've lost a lot of townies...

[ShadowGirl]

@EGL: Why does he need to say his power? He's in no danger of being lynched, since at the very least I don't have any intention of voting him just at this moment.

[ShadowGirl]

Skitzer, word on replacement for pickem?

-sigh- Not that I've been participating very much recently. I just don't know what direction to go in. I was positive that one of Tajo or Tony were scum, and... that wasn't the case.

Anyway, at the very least I don't want to vote Grimmy. Because three votes on him, well...

[ShadowGirl]

I bet you he wasn't. (I wasn't scum, btw.)

[ShadowGirl]

No, just gut. I think CP was scum, though.

I was a watcher as well, which is why I wanted to lynch you.

[ShadowGirl]

Yeah, I didn't think there would be two watchers. o_O

I bet you my love. Or a smiley. Take your pick.

[ShadowGirl]

Darn. That's a hard choice. I'll tell you which one I want when I win.

[ShadowGirl]

Jesus. Is all this game had was watchers and trackers?

I knew it! My bets for the other scum were either you or EGL.

Fine, Tajo. I'll take your love. <3

[ShadowGirl]

Jesus. Is all this game had was watchers and trackers?

I knew it! My bets for the other scum were either you or EGL.

Fine, Tajo. I'll take your love. <3

<3
I was so wrong in this game it hurts. Nice job, CP and Batty..

<3
Hey, as long you knew I was town it's okay. ;P