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crumbing my gated investigative role here

are you a simple rolecop?

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VOTE: polaris its an rvs vote why so scared

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also page 1 so i wanna fucking say this bullshit

my pronouns are they/them
i am going to report every post that flagrantly[1] misgenders me and let the modteam decide when it's rule breaking starting this year
so far i have one completed game where someone has been banned for misgendering me
please just do the right thing

[1]basiclly doesn't immediately post afterwards correcting self

hey cook you look scummy
VOTE: cook

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its ok i know you love me <3

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bottom

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esooa confirmed pervert

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Maybe let's knock off a few Mafia before they start balancing out the numbers hey?

why did you make this post? it contains no real content

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like sure our fluff also has none but that's just like another weird post from you

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oh my god is cook caught scum on page 2?

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i need to read that book

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> Night actions must be submitted via PM or, if applicable, inside a factional private topic.

@mod are we allowed to submit night actions in personal private topics if we aren't scum?

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I keep a lot of notes pts

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you already believed i was town?

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Silence, condemner.

I keep a lot of notes pts

Bugspray could have lied and apologized for a townslip but they didn't which even further increases my belief they are town

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you can always just get a personal pt from the mod and then quote all these little things there so it doesnt clog up your iso

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: cook

hey what do you see in cook?

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how about you asnwer that previously unanswered question

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VOTE: esooa

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VOTE: esooa

Do you want to elaborate some more?

not really, i think this speaks for itself

so you don't want me to be able to sort you?

it's not really my primary concern no

but ok I'm bored now what do you need to ask

how about you asnwer that previously unanswered question

no

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Unvote

There is a lot of nonsense filler posting to sort through. Brb.

weird unvote off of a slot that doesn't even have any pressure
why not figure out a better vote and pivot then? nobody is going to think worse of you to keep yur rvs vote

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but you literally did imply there was seriousness to it

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Well esooa why did you include the part about me TRing you, when we only have 2 games together, one where i DID end up with the right read on you in the end mind you.

i just wanna understand your thought process

because I was giving other players a metric by which to read me this game: if you read me as town, other players should assume I'm scum. If you read me as scum, other players should assume I'm town

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this post implies there is seriousness to it can just seems contradictory to everything else you've said about it

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where have I said anyone should?

i never said you said that. i've repeatedly said that you

implied

it and now you're just twisting my words

giving other players a metric

i really have never seen someone use this kind of more technical phrasing when trying to justify a joke in good faith

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by the way I hope you can see why I wanted to say "stop asking people about jokes because this is stupid" four pages ago

considering what the last 4 pages have brought

only you can prevent forest fires

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also, Kobas assumption when they read an implication, and someone says no that implication isn't there, should be there's a misunderstanding and not that I am literally trying to gaslight koba by saying the implication wasn't there. Especially over something so minor.

so after i point out you twisting my words (specifically wrt the word imply) you then just write this thing about gaslighting?
like is this deadass?

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this is why I tell you to fuck off instead of explaining to you

I'll explain to bugspray though

divide and conquer

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: cook

hey what do you see in cook?

Yeah, why is he only voting without saying anything?

VOTE: nopoint

Explain why my vote is scummy.

naked votes are sus at best even if the reasoning is obvious hence why I asked. his paranoia over the matter is towny imo

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anger is NAI for me.

its salt

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: cook

hey what do you see in cook?

Yeah, why is he only voting without saying anything?

VOTE: nopoint

Explain why my vote is scummy.

Not the vote itself, just thought you might be trying to stay off the radar or something.

If I were staying off the radar I would just not post or post fillers. Voting is the most standout-ish things out there.

weird post

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hi tris! VOTE: unvote

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Tris reverts to a 0 (null) read.

would you do this reversion if there was a super scummy slot that just sorta replaced out

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It was a read to try to get a policy elimination.

okay ignoring the rest of that why would you want a policy elim this early into d1

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cook can get yeeted but i'm interested why he's in jim's townreads when that's literally the only mention of cook in his entire iso

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VOTE: cook

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do you think the wagon is likely scumdriven?

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cook can get yeeted but i'm interested why he's in jim's townreads when that's literally the only mention of cook in his entire iso

Yeah, sorry. I just don't see the case against cook. Feel free to change my mind :)

there is never a case day 1. to come up with an actual correct case on scum day 1 takes an exceptionally bad scum player.
all logic based wagons day 1 are bunkum, either powered by bad town or members of the mafia

That's false. I've caught scum d1 with logic.

TrueSoulEnergy doesn't count

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TrueSoulEnergy was a player who always got eliminated d1 as scum

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1) yeah i agree Jim is sus and I think zuko is p Towny was reading on phone and didn't get a chance to take notes
2) thinking about this d1 is a waste of time
3) answer is no unless I see something really awful in the iso

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Why do you want me to e1 a slot who is due to be prodded?

Pedit really?

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where i said i townread them?

i was full of shit

i was actually scumreading them.

They seemed unremarkable I just glanced over their posts. I couldn’t understand you saying they were Town so I guess you were just testing huh.

I mean they might have felt they’d done enough not to have to come back and post some more. So you might be onto something.

This could be a red flag. A lot of games when I was newer the slots that flew under my radar and I forgot were even in the game ended up being scum. Unremarkable might mean scummmy

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What is a WIM

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Why are you suddenly not spelling right. Are you having a stroke?

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I'm typically lower effort when I'm phone posting blame capitalism for making me not want to get out of bed

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What if scum!koba just wantams to have an easy bugspray miselim

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Wait am I high or low wim

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VOTE: Jim I dig

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dkkova are you drinking water

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I have opinions that depend on the answer to 486

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True, I had one last game

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https://youtu.be/cMTAUr3Nm6I

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I don't buy the scumread on polaris. The slot literally hasn't posted since RVS and is likely to replace. There's no sense in trying to pressure a slot that is unlikely to respond to the pressure before getting force replaced by the game moderator

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Fair enough. That's just 1 wagon. But I still maintain that scumread on them and am a vote that will convert over so there's still that pressure of being low in my PoE atm.

I really don't see a reason to sr a slot just for flaking after rvs, it's a bad read you keep pushing
VOTE: dkkova

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I don't like how Jim recieved himself a wagon after his Cook town read, it's suspicious.

Why is it sus and who do you think the suspicious actors are?

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so u gonna engage my pov or

i don't see
"im fucking drunk let's elim this slot with no reason bugspray can understand"\
"i trust drunkkoba"
as a reasonable pov but if i'm missing something i would love to know

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I know one scenerio where it WOULD come from scum!koba but lets see what u say first.

it doesn't have to come from scum!koba if this is something town!koba just never does

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666 from geraintm pings me VOTE: veraintm

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Cook, hurry up & get in here so Flea can interrogate you & I can see where they go with it

why can't you do it yourself?

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i was asked a question last page and didn't asnwer should do that but rn i need to lay down and cry to myself it's important :)

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I think I had a weird associative read about him and cook who i still sr that affected how I look at 666 will need to check notes and reread that

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geraintm feels scummy to me but if i use my brain and expel the worms and think perhaps i would just expect to townread town by now but still it feels reasonable
todo: actually readf the thread

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pedit a broken clock is right twice a day

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bad hot take we elim koba and the game is easier for town to win even if we are down two slots

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wait how would there be no nightkills? is that a tmi

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is it normal to have nights where scum can't nk

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They said my vote for Polaris “stunk”, while also calling their vote amongst four choices semi-random. And they had a play style complaint about Flea if I recall correctly while saying they would vote there because they didn’t expect to ever get along.

Yeah, it’s not strong evidence. But nothing with geraintm is ever going to be either.

every vote on the polaris wagon sucked especially when there were the cook and jim slots to more closely examine at the time
it makes literally zero sense to flashwago a slot that's a few hours from prod

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wait why is the thread unlocked it says night one

Because I forgot to change it

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So my solve is Cook + dk + (Geraint/Egix). I'm pretty confident this is right.
VOTE: DKKoba

I mean I’m 100% here. I have it Cook + geraintm + (Egix/Koba) and everybody else shades of Town.

i definietyle rmemer seeing weird associatives of cook+grian in d1 and i think i took a few notes on it

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nopoint can we talk thru stuff later.

I think im valuable to town victory and i will get nightkilled at some point so u dont have to worry. If im around by lylo then heah thats def easy vote there and i would be surprised if i make it there. I feel ive played a much more obvtown game here than average bc of the toxic fight i got into early -> me rolling VT lines up with how hard i tried to be PR read.

i dont like this kind of poisoned wine

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so you don't have credibility?

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idk why everyone off the fucking wagon get a pass why do i need to be held to these ridiculous standards every fucking game im town

When did anyone say this? There's almost always at least one scum on a scum elim d1 so it makes sense to Poe either people on the wagon or people off the wagon and right now we have an unconscious consensus that we can more easily find the scum on in the wagon

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idk why everyone off the fucking wagon get a pass why do i need to be held to these ridiculous standards every fucking game im town

When did anyone say this? There's almost always at least one scum on a scum elim d1 so it makes sense to Poe either people on the wagon or people off the wagon and right now we have an unconscious consensus that we can more easily find the scum on in the wagon

is there >rand?

No but I literally do not remember being in a game where there wasn't scum on the wagon that eliminates the first scum

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VOTE: dkkobae-1

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i would like to remind y'all my pronouns are they/them and that i prioritize having basic human respect over playing to my wincon

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i don't think locknull is a thing and it's definitely not desirable to be locknull as any alignment

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this stalled gamestate implies scum are content
VOTE: unvote

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I believe at this stage, we need more content from the players that are not voting. I don’t know what people expect is going to happen if they don’t actually contribute.

read their isos, find inconsistencies, ask them about it and elim them if they don't respond

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you cannot advance the game state, let those who can...do.

when will you be able to?

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It was just something I found interesting. I'm sure we'll find out if it's relevant or not in due time.

is it due time yet?

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hi

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I go into every game assuming there are 3 scum and will do until I see a 4th dead mafia member.

Not when the game doesn't end after we elim 3? I'm thinking this might be a nullslip

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Vc?

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what is a nullslip?

I'm pretty sure this is a slip but I can't tell if it's town or scum and therefore is null

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gamma pls post
just this situation where a slot is at l1 afterr eplacing and not talking makes me feel bad

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you want me to elim a slot that might be about to spew town because lol?

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like i'd dayvig you right now even though you are a mason if I could

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you want me to elim a slot that

might

be about to spew town because lol?

What makes you think the slot is about to spew town?

I said the slot

MIGHT

spew town. you should have literally no reason to misrep me unless like there's another mason who is also a vig who can just vig you tonight for fake claiming but even then what does that make the koba slot?

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It’s entirely possible that the scum was trying to gambit something and failed. Hence we see a somewhat defeatist attitude from them today.

did you see indication of a gambit? what should we be looking for other than obvscum caught d1?

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That was a question, how can I "misrep" someone without making a statement. And what are you on about anyways, mason vig?? If you wanna fight somebody go elsewhere this is a civil game.

whatever i'll just sheep the mason and hope it goes well VOTE: gamma emerald l-1

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Gamma Emerald replaces DkKoba. Please welcome them

prod in 6 hours uuuuugh

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this is the most suspenseful hammer in the history of ms but i get the feeling we're on our way to a clean 3-0 :D (not counting nks ;_;)

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who do you see as the partner?
also rofl tthey let the mason fuckign live

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Potentially yes.

I have suspicions on setup which I need to confirm via normal rulesets - its rare I play normals.

can you just say them publicly? right now we just now there's scum roleblock and masons

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Potentially yes.

I have suspicions on setup which I need to confirm via normal rulesets - its rare I play normals.

I just can't work out how people could see me as scum when I was so against eliminating dkkoba is all

at worst this is a tmi coming from frustrated!scum who is upset that trying to avoid a wagon they knew was town for towncred didn't have the intended effect

i feel like after the momentum we got from d1 town has gotten cocky and we really jumped the shark on koba

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was obvious

if it was obvious then why is koba dead? it really irks me when people call things obvious in mafia and then have to explain it because that means it wans't actually obvious in the first place

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Potentially yes.

I have suspicions on setup which I need to confirm via normal rulesets - its rare I play normals.

can you just say them publicly? right now we just now there's scum roleblock and masons

Theres a claimed roleblock action?

why did you refer to it as "claimed"?

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you mentioned you have setup suspiciouns that might not be normal
i say that there's not much public mech info other than scum roleblocker and the presence of masons and you implied that there was a claimed roleblocker when I was literally referring to it as "scum roleblock"
if i wanted to list them as three separate things i would have gone with "scum, roleblock, and masons" but I didn't because that's not what I meant

anyway...
can you talk about your setup spec publicly? it would be useful for everyone to be on the same page here

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ALSO we can talk about if it would even be normal

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how do you expect to get the suspicious clarified?

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ugh i'm too fucking hungry to read these posts but im gonna eat a meal in a few hours so im gonna be hungry until then because i dont wanna eat excess food!

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Facebones & Bugspray were both nowhere near the Cook wagon day 1

I pressured cook early a ton early and created most of that wagon's early momentum but decided to put my vote elsewhere later because I wanted to gather more info, this is really disenginuous

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for some reason a worm at the back of my head is whispering that andres is a bit scummy but another one says he has a good point on facebones and im conflicted
logic points to facebones but instanct says it's gotta be andres

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his reads on you don't seem truly thought out, like it was scum just making something up on the spot but using lots of words so that it sounds like critical thinking was used

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Andre and DkKobra's interactions seemed... weird. My guess is scum!Andre didn't want to elim town!DkKobra D1 because as he stated earlier, DkKobra is the only reason why Andre signed up for this game in the first place, and there was plenty of other viable options on D1. If Andre did vote with DkKobra for Essoa, and the wagon built and she flipped town, Andre knew there would absolutely be questions asked of him so from a scum!pov it would be best to not touch her with a 50 foot pole.

this is just incomprehensible moonlogic and tries to make connections to multiple things which are completely separate and unrelated

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Facebones it's completely irrelevant. It's assuming someone did something that wasn't for their wincon which while it is impossible to know if that is the case it is still a ridiculous assertion
VOTE: facebones

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I check votes. actual actions > non-actions

This is literally just making up an excuse to not do the real work because it doesn't fit a constructed narrative

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claim or hammer

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wtf I'm still not replaced? feeling more generally motivated so im gonna start with eventually reading yesterday

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never got fruit

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my guess is that andres might have been trying to use the fruit to create a lategame townbloc by giving fruit to people he thinks are townread

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50/50 shot between me and a townie

what does this mean? differentiating yourself from town here looks like scumslip to me but also i feel like i've been reading greasy this game (ctrl+f slip in my iso and balk)

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is that a reference to yeetlo? it's not yeetlo today

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people do that as scum all the time, i've done it quite a few times

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as scum i relish in being in those sort of trivially testy situations because i can just like theater about bullshit and then get easy towncred

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you've been on this site since before league of legends was a thing, I will not underestimate you

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VOTE: geraintm

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VOTE: geraintm

I had a long long gap, and if you go look at my games you will see how good I am.

I'm town. Pushing to eliminate me is not going to work.

I barely read games I'm in and will not go dig up games that are ancient to read them

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Is there a color key? I have no idea what's most of that

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Can everyone please give me their reads on Flea? I feel like they're slipping off people's scum-radar

i see flea as weird but i don't think fae are scum. some explanation about faer weird rainbow puke chart will help us understand

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The insect team yes

excuse me, wht the fuck?

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I really don't see how there's parnter equity between me and flea

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VOTE: flea hey can you give a color key for your list o that it's more parseable? i gave some benefit of douby in 1704 and was hoping we would get a color legend key for your strange list

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YEAH, REALLY! I'm gonna put pressure on a slot I want something specific from.

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YEAH, REALLY! I'm gonna put pressure on a slot I want something specific from.

And yet, your pressure vote means nothing if they aren't here to see it :P :lol:

yeah but when they see it? ooooh boy!

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ok thanks VOTE: unvote

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I think flea is likely town here simple because fae are the only person actually trying to advance the gamestate

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I think flea is likely town here simple because fae are the only person actually trying to advance the gamestate

If Flea is town, then who is scum?

it would have you be you and egix, right?

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you and gerain*

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hey clidd

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gerain I have voted cook, your entire post is predicated on a lie
VOTE: gerain that mgiht be yeet1

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VOTE: cook

also page 1 so i wanna fucking say this bullshit

my pronouns are they/them
i am going to report every post that flagrantly[1] misgenders me and let the modteam decide when it's rule breaking starting this year
so far i have one completed game where someone has been banned for misgendering me
please just do the right thing

[1]basiclly doesn't immediately post afterwards correcting self

hey cook you look scummy
VOTE: cook

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only Jim HAwkins is not Town.

what is this meant to mean?

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okay gerain is actually e-2 because flea moved faer vote

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gerain's argument about vote coutns relies on the assumption that people will behave in a predictable way in general and i don't think that applies here because of how erratic mafiascum users are compared to the general population and also i consider any scumhunting strategy based on math without some kind of strong feeling not even has to be rigourous or even semi rigours proof but like i just do not buy the argument but i believe it's overall nai.
this late into the game i would expect town!gerain to be townier and would be willing to put my vote between {gerain,flea}

@mod can we get a vc?[/vote]

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VOTE: flea

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if we all had to dayvig one person right now who would it be?
I feel like it would have to be gerain for me

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holy fuck someone post

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PLEASE PPST I'M WANT TO READ SOMETHING

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So why do you want me gone then?

I didn[it put too much thought into it. you definitely could be lhf that scum is leaving elive for an easy win but i dont wanna drink poisoned wine and would rather make other considerations

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Egix/gerain makes a lot of sense, but Egix/bugspray is distinctly possible as well. In any case Egix is where I'm looking at for today.

I'm VT btw.

alright, who do you dayvig?

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if we all had to dayvig one person right now who would it be?

1836 is still what I think, but tbf I took a break from looking at this game during night phase.

We had a fruit vendor and 2 masons, and they had a 2 shot roleblocker so I refuse to believe there isn't at least 1 of you out there with somethkng

I will say that a 2x RB isn't worth much against that town power structure, but yes, here's hoping.
(In case that didn't make it obvious, I am vanilla.)

alright, who do you dayvig?

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I think it is bugsprsy and egix btw.
I have zero additional information to provide. I think I've been pretty obvious that I am a vanilla townie.
There has to be someone who is town out there with some info though, right? Something to help

alright, who do you dayvig?

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inb4 why not ask jim
he hasnt said shit

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im not gonna vote egix rn

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DAMN

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:D

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here's my notes pt
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=85582&p=12500430#p12500430

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so i've rolled scum three times in a row now ugh

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obvious

if nobody had any idea what you were doing then it wasn't obvious
em and ms have totally different site metas

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this is probably a bit scumsided because compared to friends and enemies town gets the vanilla cop

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did she post dead thread already?

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are we waiting for dead thread redactions??