Mafia 85 - Murder at the Bus Stop (game over)

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Vote: Azuma

He's a townsperson.

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In this game, we absolutely have to come down hard on lurkers. With 25 people and two week deadlines, it will be extremely easy for scum to keep their heads down and let the townies lynch each other if we don't.

This is very, very true.

I'm not down with lynching lurkers only because they are lurking.

Neither am I. Pressuring lurkers is what I want.

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Vote: Cream147

How can you pressure lurkers when you say you don't want to lynch them?

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In this game, we absolutely have to come down hard on lurkers. With 25 people and two week deadlines, it will be extremely easy for scum to keep their heads down and let the townies lynch each other if we don't.

This is very, very true.

I'm not down with lynching lurkers only because they are lurking.

Neither am I. Pressuring lurkers is what I want.

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Vote: Cream147

How can you pressure lurkers when you say you don't want to lynch them?

You could be a agressive and keep asking questions but sometimes that doesn't work.

Does that ever work?

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In this game, we absolutely have to come down hard on lurkers. With 25 people and two week deadlines, it will be extremely easy for scum to keep their heads down and let the townies lynch each other if we don't.

This is very, very true.

I'm not down with lynching lurkers only because they are lurking.

Neither am I. Pressuring lurkers is what I want.

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Vote: Cream147

How can you pressure lurkers when you say you don't want to lynch them?

You could be a agressive and keep asking questions but sometimes that doesn't work.

Does that ever work?

Admittedly, you'd need to stick a couple of votes on to truly pressure them. However, in a game of this size, a couple of votes doesn't constitute lynching them.

But votes only bring pressure if they couldf lead to a lynch.

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Are you saying you'd feel pressure if three people voted you, while making it completely clear that they didn't want you lynched?

I wouldn't.

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You need the possibility of a lynch to add pressure.

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Why are people not voting?

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I can see the reasons for Tonado doing what he did if he's town and if he's scum. So what what he did is a null tell, for me.

I don't understand what's scummy about Albraska's quoted post.

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Xtoxm was annoying and I don't understyand the Blakadder case.

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Would you mind showing (by way of quotes) that I was a gainst voting for pressure.

The PbP is complicated but pretending to contribute when not contributing is scummy and I don't buy Morat's excuse and his last post seems to just to intimidate people from pressing it.

My REAL concern is that the reaction this generated will cause a "chilling effect" on anyone else's desire to share information with town ("Well, I'd post about this thing I learned, but that last guy who posted the PBP got slaughtered... forget it, I'll just lurk more").

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Just trying to annoy the other players, isn't helpful.

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What leads you to suspect Emp more then BA?

By the way he is posting, it looks like's trying to get a quick lynch, and he doesn't really care who it is as long as it isn't himself. Plus, he's contributed next to nothing in this game. All of his posts have been about a sentence or two. >_>

Mind backing the first point. The sond point, I'm pretty sure that that's more than some people. The third point is my play style.

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If you are on L-1 please claim.

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Watching

Mod edit
Votecount:
Slicey (8): Wall-E, Shanba, Jebus, armlx, Surye, farside22, Riceballtail, Moratorium
Surye (3): Demon Pineapple, Megatheory, Sir Tornado
Empking (2): RestFermata, Slicey
Megatheory (1): Alabaska J
Wall-E (1): Mana_Ku
Sir Tornado (1): BlakAdder
Cream147 (1): Empking
farside22 (1): martin413
armlx (1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1): killa seven

Not voting (5): al4xz, Azuma, Cream147, Slepz, ace1217

With 25 alive it's 13 to lynch.

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Vote: Slicy

Everyone has said it better than I could. Making a BS case against a player is a final nail on the coffin.

Don't claim.

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If you are on L-1 please claim.

Don't claim.

What's up with the change?

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Their was no change. He wasn't at L-1 so I didn't want him to claim.

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Mandatory FOS jebus

for mentioning the Jester. There is no Jester, there never will be in a game that doesn't state it on this site (I think). Jesters are just dumb.

Alv was the one who mentioned jesters.

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I have to disagree with ytou their Wall-E.

I think theitr is a difference with the hammer.

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A hammer vote leads to the end of the day.

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My vote does not choose when the day ends.

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No it doesn't.

A hammer vote also means you can't unvote.

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I'd go for A but I'd like prods and replacements first.

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I think he's trying to ask whether a quick wagon where the target claims townie is more likely to hit town then a random lynch.

That's probably a wrong defination but I get what armlx is saying.

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RBT, claim.

No, just no.

Vote; Xtoxm

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Actually... this is more interesting on review. Look at my posts in isolation. Look at the first page. Ctrl-F for Slicey.

First mention of Slicey: I was attacking Wall-E's pathetic line of reasoning (not to be confused with defending Slicey).

Second mention of Slicey: I VOTED SLICEY, WITH EXACTLY WHY I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM.

To clarify that: Surye seemed to be adding early-wagon fuel to the fire without voting, like he was waiting to see if Slicey got more negative attention.

Jebus unvoted.

Those are my reasons for suspecting them.

Wall-E. You flat out lied. What is your defense?

If I lied it was on accident. Can you clarify what was the lie?

Surye voted.

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He didn't know "Bus driver" was a role.

OT, Riceball, you should read the second smalltown.

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a little while, I'm up to page 11, trying to keep up with the new posts as I go

Er are you Muerto's alt?

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Jumping off the wagon at the end, when you know it will result in a lynch regardlessly is a move for appearences only. The only people who need to worry about such things are scum. I'm not saying everyone who jumped off were scum, but that it is a likely place to look.

For everyone 1 game you show me were scum jumped off a wagon near the end of the day I will show you 10 games where scum stayed on a wagon because it's the best place to hide.
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That's a bad argument. Just because not all scum do something doesn't make it any less of a tell.

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No it isn't.

If scum do something and town doesn't that is a scum tell.

It doesn't matter is only 1% of scum do it its still a scum tell if 0% of the town does it.

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I was voting Xtoxm for one thing and he hasn't done anything scummy since.

So I'm going back to cream.

Vote; Cream

Hasn't posted much and whayt she has posted is IMO scummy.

I think the Surye cases suck.

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I think the Surye cases suck.

Why?

RBTs: Half of his case can merely be different opinions on what's scummy or just not noticing something scummy. The other half I just don't understand.

Muerto: Better but it still has its flaws. First, he's voting him thanks to the slicey bandwagon, the whole town liked this lynch. Are we all scum? Secondly, because he defended me, a lot of people did. Are they all scum?

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Right guys, I'm so so sorry I haven't posted lately. I've been on an unforseen VLA lately. Will make a real post shortly, but need to post this in all my games first.

Its been almost a week.

"Farside echoes what I just said about Surye's Tornado vote, kudos for you."

Is it just me or I'm I the only one who hates this line from Muerrto. I don't know if I think its scummy but I really hate it.

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Who said I didn't understand it?

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I don't think he was.

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Wasn't expecting that from Surye. Perhaps his wagon has more potential than I originally thought.

Would you mind explaining why?

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Yeh, i'm town, so that's bullshit.

Do you have a reasonable defence?

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I think Xtoxm's posts are scummy because of the posts posted here but I'm willing to believe the not-lurking is a town tell for Xtoxm.

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Wall-E; Are you serious? If yes, why didn't you unvote?

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Xtoxm: Does that make him more likely to be scum?

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No.

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5 days, oh god.

We don't want to lynch someone who isn't scummy.

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I do think that was quite a lazy vote from Xtoxm.

Plus I think we're near to deadline.

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Xtoxm, again. Why K7 over the other lurkers.

He said it was because he (xtoxm) was alsways lynched before K7.

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Why are you OK to lynch K7.

I won't be voting K7, Meta is fine to support a case but it shouldn't be the entire case.

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I don't see how that's revelant.

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What I suspect Cream.

Ii never said I didn't suspect Cream but I have said multiple times that I suspect cream.

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Mod edit
Votecount:
killa seven (5): Xtoxm, al4xz, farside22, Surye, armlx
Surye (3): springlullaby, Riceballtail, Muerrto
Cream147 (2): Empking, BlakAdder
Jebus (1): Shanba
Xtoxm (1): Alabaska J
armlx (1): Wall-E

Not voting (9): Megatheory, Azuma, RestFermata, Gremwell, Cream147, Slepz, killa seven, Zazier, Jebus

With 22 alive it's 12 to lynch.

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How interesting. You're resorting to BS.

Cream hasn't posted anything major and what (s)he did post was IMO scummy.