Micro 1000: Names on the List v1.01 [game over!]

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kobuh town

VOTE: mozamis

moz is dunn town your only read so far?

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koba uses they/them pronouns. what do you mean by posting without fear? fearful of what? is there anyone posting fearfully?

I'm getting fake casual vibes from your entrance.

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feeling town on bugspray as well for now, everyone else null.

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do you dislike the wagon or just hatter's vote?

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wanna talk about that tonal scumread of yours at all? @koba

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thanks for explaining, nm.

moz please answer my questions.

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hey jimmo, any reads so far?

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Town now Moz, Dunn, DKK, Not Mafia.
3 scum in Ythan, Hatter, Bugspray, Michael and Bulge. And that's vaguely in order of scummiest to towniest.
I guess that means if I was calling scum team now I would go for:
Ythan, Hatter and Bugspray.

why was ythan your strongest scumread at this point? was your vote serious?

My thoughts on the game so far are few, the post restriction mechanic is an interesting one that appears to have evoked several differing playstyles and I am eager to see where this will turn the game.

what do you mean by differing playstyles? do you mean different from 'the usual' for each player? how familiar are you with this playerlist? Or do you mean different from each other, like a variety of differing playstyles? if that's the case, what makes you think it's as a result of the geriatric ruleset?

Moz is doing a good job of trying to look busy but those reads are hot garbage and [p]78[/p] is just feels like scum trying to look town by asking someone to contribute to advancing the gamestate in a way that they know the person won't. The follow up right after is probably damaga control after Moz realized that they said something which conflicted with a previous post slightly

good posting


Ythan vibing as well but I'm gonna need more.

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why is moz town?

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VOTE: bulge

if you're scum I hope you do the thing that I'm hoping you do

i don't know what you could be referring to

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@Ythan: Wanna talk to me about what you don't like?

32 doesn't feel like a natural thought to me and 33 is jumpy. But then Hatter made a big fluffy 39 and jumped on the Moz wagon in a way I didn't like, then made another big fluffy and very self focused 70 I didn't like either.

did your early ping on hatter influence your moz read?

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I feel strongest about bugspray town, followed by you. nothing I'm willing to bin but those feelings are strongers than my suspicions atm.

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or if you answer my question!

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VOTE: Bulge the slot leaves no impression on me; if Koba moves off it I move off.

you had me as town and promised to explain later (which never happened), but now I leave no impression?

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At the moment we have Notmafia, MIchael, Hatter all doing their bit for the soul of comedy, but not much for the game.
Gun To Ears reads:
Moz, Dunn, Michael, Hatter, Dkk town.
2 scum in other four.
I liked Hatter's post demanding "gun to head reads".
So scum in Bulge, Not Mafia,Bugspray and Ythan.

I guess Ythan is lurker read, NM is usual impossible to read.
So if i Had to call it now, I would say scum Bulge and Bugspray.

you don't have any honest scumreads?

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VOTE: Ythan

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I find myself concurring with Ythan. The battle of Bugspray and DkKoba is not a pretty one.
UNVOTE: Ythan - I am keen to see where this clash of the titans goes - one of the two is most certainly to be scum in my opinion.

why are you so certain of that?

me and koba is tvt
VOTE: unvote

this is a very weird thing for town to say

from this last page bugspray is definitely no longer my strongest townread lol

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MOZAMIS

this game is far too short and slow for you to be ignoring direct questions, especially when half your content is commentary on other players' contributions to the gamestate, and most of your posts are prod dodges or useless fluff.

Town now Moz, Dunn, DKK, Not Mafia.
3 scum in Ythan, Hatter, Bugspray, Michael and Bulge. And that's vaguely in order of scummiest to towniest.
I guess that means if I was calling scum team now I would go for:
Ythan, Hatter and Bugspray.

why was ythan your strongest scumread at this point? was your vote serious?

Worried that I am shifting from Captain Obvious to Generall Gullible though, so more detailed read tomorrow.

what does this mean?




moz's iso has way too many random readslists for how little content there actually is. this is a super easy way for scum to appear consistent/like they are scumhunting, but moz has done absolutely zero scumhunting or any sort of talk about his scumreads, and has only hunted town. I don't like how he felt pressured to throw an additional townread down on koba when I asked him if dunn was his only read. all of the posts I would deem game content is similarly reactionary or could easily be agenda-driven (such as the vote on me+asking Hatter for thoughts on me after Hatter expressed some interest, while moz has not explained his read on me and is ignoring my content, so is obviously not actually interested in sorting me)

VOTE: mozamis

if anyone wants to convince me otherwise then have at er! but there's no way this is town lmao. bugspray's thing about him being "mech confirmed" is completely out of pocket

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yep not like you've been my top scumread since my first post

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yawn

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does anyone other than koba and moz have opinions on the bulge?

hm I must have missed where koba and moz shared their thoughts?

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Worried that I am shifting from Captain Obvious to Generall Gullible though, so more detailed read tomorrow.

what does this mean?

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I overbooked myself this weekend is all. I'll get around to this this afternoon, my apologies. still feeling strong about moz but I'll have more to say when I'm on later.

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hi I still exist!

I had a rough week to put it simply. I'll read through the game this evening and try to be more present going forward.

moz had multiple votes on him pretty much the whole time he was alive so treating that as a stagnant wagon might turn some useful results. I only skimmed EoD and oof it's been a few days since I was really involved in the game so I dont have much to comment on atm

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I guess I'm not hammering that then? when is the optimal time we're aiming for? 12 hours after post cap reset?

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@mod if we publish does the daily post cap reset fore the next day pohase?

we're gonn a use all our fucking posts before publishing or else im gonna dayvig someone randomly using the dice tag

Do we actually need two weeks though I think that we do not.

wait huh one of us is confused here

there is no post cap per Day phase, only per actual 24h day

publishing the list also resets the deadline but that's not what bugspray asked. and no, we definitely do not need to wait out any of that 2 week deadline before hammering this, that's ridiculous, this is a micro

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Where I would want my vote to be placed ideally, would result in a banishment rather quickly. Given there is still in excess of 6 days upon the clock, that would be rather detrimental.

The other two would simply look down upon my vote with bemusement and swat my poor vote aside as though t'were yesterdays tea...

I am curious to see how The Bulbous One reactions to the situation that is being pressed firmly upon him.

who were you talking about wanting to vote here? and if I'm the Bulbous One, what situation were you talking about?

worries me a bit that you seem to be sheeping my reads

ur reads have been very weird i think i am sheeping my townreads im sorry
and it doesnt make sense that im mafia sheeping ur mafia reads
that means im outing my partners

I don't understand this post

VOTE: Mozamis

why did you vote here?

pedit - go on?

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Rathe can you explain your thinking in 294?


Not_mafia why did you vote mozamis at E-2?

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that's a really weak reason. why am i scum?

you had a weird jump onto me yesterday as well that came out of nowhere that's pinging me as agenda-driven

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a really weak reason to be "very happy" with my elim, that is. surely there's more?



Hatter can you answer 372 please

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I think you and I are 2/3 town on the list, off the list I think Hatter>Michael>Rathe in terms of scum likelihood, and I way have way too many fucking scumreads.

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The Moz wagon stalled and if a wagon stalls it's indicative that scum is either unable to or unwilling to make a counterwahln and I believe they were unwilling to make a counterwahln because they know Moz was town

why is it indicative of that? the entire game has been slow and stalled, probably because of the geriatric rules. this is baseless conjecture.

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like what are the grounds for even saying that? do you mean every time a wagon stalls that's what's happening, or just in this game's context? are you saying that every counterwagon is led by scum?

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I think you and I are 2/3 town on the list, off the list I think Hatter>Michael>Rathe in terms of scum likelihood, and I way have way too many fucking scumreads.

something something

dunn
rathe
mike

ythan
not_mafia

bugspray
hatter

i closed a gap between dunn and rathe for my sanity's sake because there is really not a whole lot of towning it up going on in this game people

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I want to take a look at hatter to see if I can find anything that supports my gut feeling they're happy with the slow unproductive pace of the game. not sure how to better explain atm and like I have no meta experience with them but it seems to me that they're holding back somewhat in terms of actually advancing the game, just the impression I get from their style.

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like what are the grounds for even saying that? do you mean every time a wagon stalls that's what's happening, or just in this game's context? are you saying that every counterwagon is led by scum?

This is a flagrant misrep. Every coubterwagon being led by scum is absolutely different from what I said.
Geriatric or not if the scum were unhappy with the gamestate they will do their best to change it.

a question cannot be a misrep. you said that there was no counterwagon because scum didn't make one, I'm saying there was no counterwagon because

nobody

made one. your scenario doesn't explain why the wagon stalled in the first place. I think it's because of the slow pace of the game, and I'm not really sure why you think it has to do with how scum is directing the flow of the day. I was curious if you think this is just always the case in situations like these, or if you're commenting specifically on this game's situation. thank you for clarifying that, but I still think your original thought is incomplete and underdeveloped.

Every single one of the bulge's arguments are LHF that stand up to little scrutiny. 419 is calling out a lurker with more words.
Read a bulge post and ask if it looks like it genuinely is looking for scum

This one does amuse me.

I want to take a look at hatter to see if I can find anything that supports my gut feeling they're happy with the slow unproductive pace of the game. not sure how to better explain atm and like I have no meta experience with them but it seems to me that they're holding back somewhat in terms of actually advancing the game, just the impression I get from their style.

Disregarding of the matter that I am the second most active player in the game...

obviously, this is not about post count. in fact your activity is part of what makes me suspicious. your post before this one is an excellent example: I think you're most concerned this game about appearances. you make sure to stay up to date on relevant discussion, but there is very little game-advancing content, and almost no original lines of questioning from you all game. you just kind of... say a lot of things. your posting frequency and manner of writing lead me to believe you are capable of being a greater asset to town than you have been.

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I'm getting the impression that bugspray's attack on me is agenda-based, like they're trying to force a dichotomy between us since the list was revealed, but I'll let it ride for now

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I've been doing some interesting reading today! Hatter has two completed games on site, both town, and I read through their Animals uPick iso along with a good chunk of the game, and then skimmed their iso in Superb Idea. Animals uPick sees our friend in the thick of it all along, staying consistent with lines of questioning for several different slots, prodding at players at risk of flying under the radar, and ensuring that their own stances are clear and their actions justified. You would only need to skim their iso to see that their convictions are strong (of course I'm not just talking about pushing a Guilty), and despite the roleplay aspect also present here, their content comes easily and naturally.

Compare this now to the game at hand, where Hatter has hardly commented on any posts not addressed to them, and almost seems to go out of their way to not directly put pressure on any particular slot. Much of their iso is mechtalk, and much of the real game content (or even the fluff/shitposting, for that matter) is in response to a post directed at them. Any time we get a glimpse into Hatter's reads or thoughts on gamestate, it's passive and inconsequential, with absolutely no engagement (besides mozamis), which is in stark contrast to the vigourous scumhunting initiative we've seen from townHatter, following up on every conviction and placing themselves at the center of every line of questioning. It's the difference between an investigative journalist conducting interviews, and someone giving a play-by-play from a helicopter.

I believe Hatter is finding it difficult this game to create meaningful content. It would explain the abundance of mechtalk in a not super mechanically intensive setup (they even resort to focusing on the geriatric ruleset on more than a handful of occasions). Maybe it's nerves. There was something early on in their iso promising content eventually once the game had progressed past RVS, which pinged me at the time, and I found nothing like this in either of the towngames I looked into. I've also noticed they might be leaning on or at least making reference to their gimmick more in this game than others, but I'm not sure about that one and don't care to cross reference at the moment. I mentioned that despite the gimmick, in the other games, Hatter's posts flowed more naturally (taking into account the differently paced games, of course) and they were unafraid to take the spotlight when pressing their reads. I believe the lack of anything resembling that level of initiative here indicates that Hatter is less comfortable playing this game for some reason, or that they are intent on not making too much of a splash any which way and thus content with the unproductive pace of the game.

There are only two notable examples this whole game of Hatter engaging another player who did not first engage them. Besides the aggressive stance against mozamis, all we have this game from Hatter in terms of consistent and explicitly game-relevant engagement with another player is when Rathe subs in. Don't quote me on this, but new replacements are an excellent opportunity for scum who haven't been producing a tonne of good content to swoop in and show off a little. This is especially true in the case here where Rathe is [presumably] a newbie, with whom Hatter already has a rapport. I believe they saw an opportunity the moment Rathe subbed in to begin developing a narrative that he was not playing to his town meta, which was of course followed up by both of them appearing off the list and Hatter quickly advocating we eliminate between the two of them and widely-townread Michael Scott. Hatter probably feels confident in a 1v1 against Rathe, and has been laying the foundation for it since he joined the game. The line of questioning directed at Rathe is by far the most initiative Hatter has taken all game, and besides setting up the newb replacement for a potential miselim, they also gain some sort of credibility for finally actually pushing a stance this game. The timing of this all, and the congruency in contrast to the rest of Hatter's inquiries this game, make it impossible for me to dismiss this as coincidence.

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I can pull quotes and citations yada yada if anyone seriously asks, but anything I made reference to is in the isos if you care to look and see for yourselves. I will point this one out in particular though before I dip out for now:

mad hatter i think u r mafia i dont want to battle too much with u

Nuance is a very powerful tool, and extrapolation an interesting one.

A discussion and clarification is VERY different to a battle. That you immediately jumped to this being a battle speaks volumes about how you consider me and my positions in this game. Extrapolation then leads me to believe you are fearful of me for some reason. We now enter "tinfoil" territory. I believe this is due to the interactions you've witnessed between myself and mozamies, and you are fearful of my turning my attentions to you and establishing the connections between you both.

Refusing to engage with me will only be detrimental to you, ultimately. Locking a read on me with so little witnessable process is also incredibly detrimental overall in my opinion.

For now, I am confident throwing a solve out of Mozamies and Rathe both reading independently and associatively.

The part I bolded here. it screams "caught for the wrong reasons" to me. the most detrimental part of holding that opinion should be that it is not a correct one because you are town. Not because you didn't get your due process.

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That's E-2 by my count, I might pop in later tonight to see what's happening and think about throwing down a vote. People keep saying its lylo but I haven't looked into that?

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I realized while typing up a post that we can technically afford a miselim today, although glancing back I'm not sure how many people were actually confused about it. just in case anyone else isn't clear,

this is not lylo

. publishing the list did not [technically] affect our Doom Counter because it is capped at 3 and there are 3 scum still alive.

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yikes that is a mess of a post. not sure yet what it means for Mike's alignment since I still feel so strong about Hatter, but I know I don't want to vote Rathe today.

@Bulge, I don’t think scum!Hatter comes out of the gate today and starts by pushing for an off-list mis-elimination, when they themselves are off the list (e.g. 353, 355, etc.).

very flawed logic. besides the obvious Wifom potential here, scum!Hatter has 2 partners on the list, so this objectively means absolutely nothing, since no matter what in this scenario scum is forced to advocate for an elim within a pool containing scum.

If Hatter is scum and there is an off-list mis-elimination today, then that just puts them in a difficult 1vs1 tomorrow. Your argument wrt to Hatter’s push on Rathe is that they are taking advantage of the fact that Rathe is new, and that scum!Hatter would be inclined to put themselves off-list with Rathe to setup a 1vs1.

few things. first of all I think it would be stupid to put all 3 scum on the first list. second, any time we miseliminate, by nature of the game of mafia, the pool narrows. third, obviously the ideal Daytime outcome for scum in any game is to achieve a miselimation. So with all this considered, assuming scum is highly unlikely to give any spread besides 2 on/1 off with the first list, even their ideal scenario (a miselim, whether on or off the list) narrows that respective pool down to a 50% chance, higher (66% or 100%) ftpov of the remaining townies in that pool. Scum is in a very tough spot tomorrow regardless of what happens today, since there is a higher scum:town ratio than usual, and because we have more information (from the lists) than the average town in a vanilla setup.


this next whole paragraph is incredibly disconnected from reality.

I could see why scum!Hatter might target Rathe specifically for a 1vs1, but I don’t think they would push for that 1vs1 to take place today.

ok, and they're not, so? They suggested we elim off the list but haven't pushed one way or the other very significantly. Pay attention to Hatter's posting today. they've been so on the fence between wanting N_M and wanting Rathe today that I thought they were a squirrel.

The better move, given how much heat Hatter has taken, would be to instead push for an on-list mis-elimination today, and then try to push Rathe as the final mis-elimination. Yes, Hatter did join us on Not_Mafia, but they also have put themselves in a position where it would be difficult for them to back off of their Rathe scumread if Rathe did become wagoned given their stances. If Auro and I started a wagon against Rathe and that wagon gained traction, then scum!Hatter is forced to join that wagon and then deal with the fallout (i.e., a 1vs1 against us) after Rathe flips town. If Hatter is scum, then I think they would want to avoid that scenario.

if we miselim on the list today, why in the fuck would we try to hit 1/3 instead of 2/4 tomorrow?? like you said, they can't just drop the Rathe push without looking bad, but Hatter has certainly not done anything to personally ensure today's elim goes one way or the other. they have admitted themselves they expect or have at some point expected to be today's elim. My theory is that they don't want to stir the pot and risk giving us any additional associative tells to work with, since we already have the foundations laid for gathering that information in the form of our lists (ie, we have several pairings that cannot possibly be partnered together, far more information than the average town at this point in the game), and since the outcome of today in the grand scheme of things does not majorly affect scum's shot at winning, imo, because no outcome leaves them in a particularly comfortable spot. I think the best play for scum today is simply to ensure the town doesn't gain any traction and start collaborating/finding each other and being generally more productive. there is a disproportionate number of scum in this setup, odds are high that we hit them throwing darts blindfolded, so ideally for them the game stays this slow, and the town continues to throw suspicions around left and right and jumping from wagon to wagon to wagon, so if we do manage to get some kind of useful flip, there isn't anything useful with which to cross-reference it.

What I would expect from scum!Hatter with an off-list group of {us, Rathe, Hatter} is to not fully commit to wanting to push either of Rathe or us. They might claim to strongly scumread Rathe, but they would feign some suspicion of our slot to justify wanting to eliminate from the on-list group. The fact that Hatter has taken such a hardline stance on Rathe being scum is part of the reason why I think town!Hatter and scum!Rathe is much more likely than the other way around.

disagree. coming into today suspicious of both other players in Hatter's pool while still advocating to vote within the other pool would look incredibly scummy on the surface. Scum also isn't going to necessarily keep every single door open at all times. that's a very scummy and very risky way to present oneself in this game, so if they specifically chose Rathe as their target (which I explained in my previous post, vis-a-vis their rapport and Rathe's newb status) I see no need to include you as an out as well, if they didn't think it likely you'd be strung up today.

I also still don’t buy that town!Rathe thought the scumteam was Hatter/us/Bugspray on day one but hammered Moz anyways because he thought it was pointless to try and push someone that he scumread.)

however I will take a look at this later.

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Yes that was my mistake, my apologies. I am less concerned about being dismissed at this point, as it will suitably turn the attention to Rathe.

ok so if we did Rathe today and he flipped green, what would you suggest we do?

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yea lmao can't say I expected that to work haha :)

what if not mafia is town mad hatter but u r following michael scott

u backed urself to a corner with 453
u gave a good point about mad hatter not being mafia
i agree cuz it makes sense but
then u had to scumread me
but u r wrong cuz i am not mafia
but i think u know that

i dont know if notmafia is town n u r trying to kill a innocent
or if notmafia is mafia n u want the townpoints
but i am rly ok with my vote
hatter is town i am town u r mafia

hmmmmmmm aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh fuck this is concerning me now too

I am feeling far more jumbled in my head now than I was before today.

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I would like for both Hatter and Mike to please respond as in-depth as is appropriate to my 481

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I think it would be best to. our best case scenario then gives us 2 conftowns. what's your suggestion?

In my mind this game is revolving around whether Mad Hatter is scum or not right now

My thoughts are that there are some slots I have some suspicions on and most of them seem to want hatter dead

VOTE: Not_Mafia

can you elaborate on what specific connections you'd make with a hatter flip?

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@Dunn, 488?


I'm having some second thoughts. still would rather elim within the 3 today. I'll try to get a quick readthru in later today and sort out my thoughts some more.

and ftr, hatter, the spoiler tag makes it essentially illegible on mobile regardless of color. the black bar only appears behind the bottom half of the text for me :^]

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rereading and I really don't think Koba was scum. hoping I'll have some time tonight to finish reading and play out some possible scenarios in my head before deciding on a vote. this is not a prod dodge

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Jeez, the pronoun thing, I really don't get people's sensitivities on this one. But I mean no offence, go easy!

Noted, Madam.

@ Hatter - you don't have to be an arse about it, I clearly just didn't notice the "they" pronoun. Back off the fck off.

this is art

sorry im catching up rn on my break and this just killed me hahahahah

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I'm coming to the opposite conclusion!

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I'm....having second thoughts about hatter (nothing to do with alt slip in case this is inferred that way), and am coming around to mikescum.

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Hit me I'm all ears.

lol mb didn't mean to leave you hanging

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THIS IS MY COUNTEROFFER

VOTE: MICHAEL SCOTT

my solve is mike/ythan/nm but I want to elim within the pool of 3 today

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I'm tired of doing big long explainy posts and I'm definitely not putting effort into one now when given the trajectory of this game, a flashwagon might just actually be impossible, and I have better things to do tonight. but I'm here for a bit now so lemme find some shit I found while I was reading.

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Auro spent all of Day 1 defending moz and calling his wagon lazy. Then he votes him enthusiastically for no reason, and from that point on, volxen takes the reins and shifts their position to push for moz scum. The next time Auro posts he is now "conflicted" about moz, and makes his stance abundantly unclear, followed by volxen asserting that moz and Hatter are opposite alignments.

my theory here is that Auro correctly identified the town LHF in mozamis early on, and decided to pick up townpoints going against the grain. Once volxen came into the game and realized it was an actual potential miselim, I imagine there was some talk in the hydra chat about shifting trajectories. This would explain volxen's oddly lengthy and focused first post, if they wanted to take advantage of having two heads to justify the shift in trajectory, and would also obviously explain Auro's awkward backpedal into a "conflicted" stance on moz. Setting up a moz/hatter dichotomy also plays perfectly into that following night's list selection.

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more later but I have to run for a bit now, I urge anyone online to give mike an ISO dive, it's really not long. pay attention to where they are putting their votes, the relationships between other players they try to set up, and especially how much energy they choose to dedicate to some parts of the game while ignoring others.

I will support a NM wagon if it comes to it but I strongly believe that eliminating within the pool of 3 could be a make-or-break situation for us, having 2 conftowns tomorrow.

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ALSO mike completely ignored my long post critiquing their view of the gamestate and expectations for hatter's play, except to try and point me in the direction of Rathe. why didn't you feel the need to defend your viewpoints, mike? I think it's because they were fabricated. if you're town, you should be working with me to come to some sort of understanding, I think you're massively wrong about everything in that post and by extension I largely disagree with your view of the gamestate, so why would you just leave it at that? if you're town, work with me, either convince me im wrong or make concessions where I'm right. if you're scum, squirm i guess.

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ughfjfffffjdkskskamamaa

VOTE: Mozamis

k thought u would say something maybe better

VOTE: mozamis

This is a pretty gross sequence of events.

yea it really is. i questioned nm why he placed a nonhammer vote and he didnt respond.

@Bulge, why are you more interested in my towncase on Hatter vs my scumcase on Rathe, when I’ve talked about the latter more than the former? You basically dissected every point I made in that post about Hatter, while you haven’t directly commented on my scumcase on Rathe, even after I reiterated the case again in 513. Your 481 suggested that you would be looking into this yourself, but then you never elaborated on how Rathe’s content affects your read on the slot one way or the other.

In fact, you haven’t really talked about your read on Rathe. All you’ve said is that you didn’t find Koba to be scummy upon a re-read in 521, which was the same stance you had towards the slot at the beginning of day one. Koba’s content aside, what do you find towny about Rathe?

- Date Mike (Volxen)

yea i never got around to looking at Rathe individually. I felt really strong about hatter scum, then felt strong about mike scum, and my reread affirmed my townread of koba, plus Rathe's entrance in particular has town energy to me. now im getting the awful feeling I've done the thing I do all too often where I dig myself into this crazy tunnel against a townie and use up all my energy and motivation and then look at my posts the next day/peoples responses and immediately lose all confidence in my read and basically fucking burn out for the rest of the game.

Michael is absolutely not the elimination here.

The solve is Rathe, Bulge and Not_Mafia.

i mean, this is a very reasonable solve if rathe is red, which like, fuck, yea, like I said above, i dont fucking know right now. My head is a fucking swamp.

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Just had a thought and we ABSOLUTELY need to elim in the pool of 3. this gives us the option of using the list again tomorrow, which will force scum to

remove a name from the list

. so we in fact get 3 conftowns if we elim correctly offlist today and decide to publish another list (and we'd still have a 2 miselim safety net even if we do). if we hit town off list today we can still publish a new list without affecting the fact we're in lylo tomorrow and still get a conftown.

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I'm around until deadline

VOTE: Rathe

no matter what if we miss today I'll be kicking myself. feeling very fucking frustrated rn

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Just had a thought and we ABSOLUTELY need to elim in the pool of 3. this gives us the option of using the list again tomorrow, which will force scum to

remove a name from the list

. so we in fact get 3 conftowns if we elim correctly offlist today and decide to publish another list (and we'd still have a 2 miselim safety net even if we do). if we hit town off list today we can still publish a new list without affecting the fact we're in lylo tomorrow and still get a conftown.

gonna need some online people to read and understand this pls

we are missing a huge opportunity if we go with nm today

also def thought rathe had votes. I don't know who's all gonna show up in the next hour but I'll be lurking so consider my vote fluid rn.

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I dont even know what happens if we eliminate nobody here. I guess we're just in the same situation we are now tomorrow, except publishing the list would be futile tomorrow and even if we hit in the 3 tomorrow we would no longer have the option of 3 conftowns since we'd be using our Even Day to vote for an elimination.

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VOTE: Hatter

somebody please

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yes but if one of those names is dead then the list is unchanged.

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please vote ythan i am begging you

you are so dead tomorrow of you dont but like


fuckcufkfuckfucckfufkc

the game.is.OVER IF HATTER FLIPS RED. the game is reduced to finding 2 scum in 4 with 3 conftowns

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this shit sucks

really wish I had put more time into this earlier this week instead of picking away at my readthrough over the course of 3 days and let the deadline creep up on me. ughfhfjfjfjfjd

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8 minutes. I have to get dressed. this game is essentially ruined atp, idc, fuck it idk im gone

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Why not publish today

I don't think we get any new information if we do.

can you provide some kind of mathematical proof as to how scum could have created a list that provides no new information to town?
i find such a prospect dubious

?? they can publish the exact same list as before, only with not_mafia's name removed.

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anyway ythan is lockscum

VOTE: Ythan

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On even-numbered Days, the town has a choice between executing a player normally, or voting for publishing the list the Mafia made the previous Night.

we don't, actually.

why didn't you vote at deadline?

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oh

VOTE: publish the list

why????

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On even-numbered Days, the town has a choice between executing a player normally, or voting for publishing the list the Mafia made the previous Night.

we don't, actually.

why didn't you vote at deadline?

Thought NM Rathe combo was scummier than Hatter. Didn't really have time to think through what was being said but didn't want to eliminate Hatter over NM or Rathe.

Bullshit. You had no way of knowing NM would be eliminated there over Hatter. tiebreakers are explained no where in the rules, and even if they were I doubt you would have seen, since you thought we had to vote about the list today.

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ugh thought this was attached to that post.

y not

they can publish the exact same list as before, only with not_mafia's name removed.

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hm I did miss that, both today and at EoD. I was only checking the "days and voting" section of the rules. my bad!

you're still scum, tho

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UNVOTE:

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oh thank god it's over

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dunn got me good

idk why nobody told rathe to stop randomly throwing his vote down in lylo but eh i doubt anyone's head has been in the game for a long time, i know mine wasnt. i was extremely close to replacing out after the nm elim because i was in the most pissy mood all day after haha

this was fun at times, and literally ruined my entire day other times. gg yall

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I think the geriatric rules should be tweaked to allow for more posting in the early game, especially in a game with as few players as this. with a stronger start i doubt the game would have petered out as quick as it did, but it felt like we never got the ball rolling here in the first place, really.