Micro 1015: Sadohydrachism II (Game over)

[Sommers 365]

Since I beat Magnus this time I'd like to make it clear we are vt and not jester. Ignore him if he says otherwise

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

noraa is either jester or mafia theres no way she's town haha

I never take caps-lock "why am I not this" posts as genuine

damn pooky is scum again

does pooky really feel the same to you here

I'm agreeing with parela here. Pooky feels different this game at the very least. I'd say there's a decently higher chance of them being town/jester this game

im not a hundred percent sure but pooky definitely isn't town here. I could see him as jester but I mean killing jester day 1 is fine by me too. just don't kill vt day 1. that's the goal here.

well if you are town then this is true. as i am town and wind jewels is TOWN, thus!! but now how do i know you are not the one pocketing

I have the IC to pocket and I have Raya to pocket. Why would I decide to come mess with bugs and shiki?

You know, I wasn't gonna let you pocket me, but then I saw rayugnus

rayugnus

Incredible

town elims VT -> VT-IC-Mafia endgame

but what if the ic self-votes in this situation?

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

This is where I'm at

Absolutely - Jester/Town
Wind - IC
Kookie - Jester/Mafia/maybe town?
Parela - Jester/Mafia/Town
Sommers - Town (Magnus will say jester but ignore him)

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

i am glad everyone is taking turns saying 'i am town and so is the innocent child'

I am glad you appreciate my contribution

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

Did people learn nothing from the last iteration? If the jester doesn't claim, then a jester wannabe will step up and end themselves and give the goon the win instead. So please kindly claim for a free and easy win. I propose this order for the massclaim:

1) Sommers 365
2) Wand Jowels
3) Chillin Bois
4) kookie
5) Parela

Our turn - we're hard claiming jester.

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Chillin Bois/kookie 1v1 could be mafia/jester shenanigans since they both seem to have little fear on the other being a jester, and aren't paranoid of it despite the other in the 1v1 basically begging to be 1v1ed

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

But the jester in that pairing would be fakeclaiming since we're the actual jester, so have to account for that as well.

Parela seems different and looks more towny this time, which is bad for them if they rolled jester again so probably not jester

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I WANT REROLL >:(

hahaha noraa rolled scum

you can tell I'm town cuz im laughing my ass off

noraa is either jester or mafia theres no way she's town haha

damn pooky is scum again

HAHAHAAHA NORAA IS ACTUALLY MAFIA

OOOH THE KARMIC INJUSTICE

HAHAHAAHA NORAA IS ACTUALLY MAFIA

OOOH THE KARMIC INJUSTICE

bruh. Ydrasse pls come help. Pooky doesn't act like this as town.

actually pooky might be jester. that's possible too.

I mean just look at page 1, they basically fall into each other's death laps. Chillin starts this conflict though so more likely they're mafia in the 2

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Actually actually, the fact Chillin has no paranoia whatsoever and is all or nothing pushing kookie makes them look really bad for the next day if they get jester!kookie killed, so maybe it's not that simple

kookie has the right amount of "but what if Chillin is jester and not mafia, I'm not sure" paranoia yet is voting Chillin anyway to fit the mafia pushing their jester mould. Also Chillin just reads way over the top in general this game and that could be a jester baiting

VOTE: kookie L-2

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Sorry, got busy

I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)

Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.

So my solve right now is:

Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)

Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

I'd have to fact check that but I'm pretty certain I've read you correctly before...

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

i think sommers is scum. feels afraid to vibe and trying to not slip info
scum knows who the jester is and that's how the info that will cloud their posts to force them to unwillingly and unwittingly post ai info that gets them yeeted
sommers seems like someone who is trying to not get read and put in low efford while looking big effordt

Put your money where your mouth is and claim jester instead of implying we're not a jester, which we are

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

kookie is just very transparently different from last game. From big walls to much more cautious speak, and Chillin just look like jesters. unwnd hasn't posted at all and he posted fine as scum, and would expect him to post more as town. Maybe he doesn't find jester fun and is leaving the trolling/hyperposting to Pooky

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

like you are town and we are town and the two scummiest are absolutely chillin and kookiemonster to me... but if we're more confident that -raya and -magnus at not traitor then voting -raya and -magnus potentially(???) the better option

Parela Parela, I think you're the other town this labyrinth. Do you disagree with the theory in 113/114? The mutual 1v1 is really really weird without outside shenanigans. Chillin aren't playing towards an end goal if they're scum and kookie jester, since they almost certainly die tomorrow for the push if that's the case. kookie on the other hand are pushing Chillin while leaving themselves room to act paranoid.

A natural 1v1 is the one we and kookie had last game. I thought they were scummy but not in a obvious jester way, and they were extremely paranoid we were a jester and didn't vote us until after a lot of deliberation and thoughts (the walls). There's none of that here

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Sorry, got busy

I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)

Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.

So my solve right now is:

Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)

Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.

-Raya

Raya, I'd normally say this to you in our hydra PT to save you some embarrassment, but these are shocking reads honestly

There is absolutely no way Sommers aren't jester here

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

like you are town and we are town and the two scummiest are absolutely chillin and kookiemonster to me... but if we're more confident that -raya and -magnus at not traitor then voting -raya and -magnus potentially(???) the better option

Parela Parela, I think you're the other town this labyrinth. Do you disagree with the theory in 113/114? The mutual 1v1 is really really weird without outside shenanigans. Chillin aren't playing towards an end goal if they're scum and kookie jester, since they almost certainly die tomorrow for the push if that's the case. kookie on the other hand are pushing Chillin while leaving themselves room to act paranoid.

A natural 1v1 is the one we and kookie had last game. I thought they were scummy but not in a obvious jester way, and they were extremely paranoid we were a jester and didn't vote us until after a lot of deliberation and thoughts (the walls). There's none of that here

-Magnus

To be clear:

kookie-last game: Lots of paranoia and deliberation about someone who's scummy being a jester, before sorting their thoughts out and voting them
kookie-this game: A little paranoia sprinkled in here and there while voting who they think is scum, no in-depth deliberation

I think kookie as jester might not even fake that little paranoia, since it serves no purpose, the fact it's in there is because they want to act like they're paranoid about Chillin being a jester in the event they can push them out and they flip jester

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

@noraa

So we've had 2 games together

deck of astral roles: you were 3p, I was scum, it was multiball. I voted you in my first post d1 as a scumread and you flipped 3p. I did think you townspewed after where I stopped my catch up to be fair. But since then I've learned that is not your townspewing so I can read that better now

animals upick: both of us were town, I only ever townread you and it was by both believing your claim and townreading your play

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

i think sommers is scum. feels afraid to vibe and trying to not slip info
scum knows who the jester is and that's how the info that will cloud their posts to force them to unwillingly and unwittingly post ai info that gets them yeeted
sommers seems like someone who is trying to not get read and put in low efford while looking big effordt

Put your money where your mouth is and claim jester instead of implying we're not a jester, which we are

-Magnus

(we are not)

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

Sorry, got busy

I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)

Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.

So my solve right now is:

Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)

Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.

-Raya

Raya, I'd normally say this to you in our hydra PT to save you some embarrassment, but these are shocking reads honestly

There is absolutely no way Sommers aren't jester here

-Magnus

Unfortunately you're only embarrassing yourself

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

I'm glad you've realised this town's only big enough for one jester, Yomi. Who are those abstract figures in your avatar?

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Sorry, got busy

I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)

Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.

So my solve right now is:

Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)

Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.

-Raya

Raya, I'd normally say this to you in our hydra PT to save you some embarrassment, but these are shocking reads honestly

There is absolutely no way Sommers aren't jester here

-Magnus

Unfortunately you're only embarrassing yourself

-Raya

Check the google doc, I've made a constructive criticism column for your benefit

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

AND I GOT A THE PAGE TOP FROM LILI TOO

YES

THIS GAME IS OFF TO A GREEEEEAT START

MY POCKETS ARE VAST AND CAVERNOUS

WINNA WINNA CHICKEN DINNA

THROWS A CHOCOLATE MOUSSE CAKE AT NORAA

noraa-town opening:

I AM TOWN AGAIN!

TIME TO GET REVENGE ON THAT STUPID BEAR!

DIIIIIIIEEEEEEE POOOOOOOOKY!

nora-scum opening:

WAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT A REROLL LIFE IS NOT FAIR

They were like church bells

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Well it doesn't really matter if you're jester or town as long as we break the kookie jar

Don't think Parela is jester though

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

AND I GOT A THE PAGE TOP FROM LILI TOO

YES

THIS GAME IS OFF TO A GREEEEEAT START

MY POCKETS ARE VAST AND CAVERNOUS

WINNA WINNA CHICKEN DINNA

THROWS A CHOCOLATE MOUSSE CAKE AT NORAA

noraa-town opening:

I AM TOWN AGAIN!

TIME TO GET REVENGE ON THAT STUPID BEAR!

DIIIIIIIEEEEEEE POOOOOOOOKY!

nora-scum opening:

WAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT A REROLL LIFE IS NOT FAIR

They were like church bells

-Magnus

Maybe all this yelling is to drown out the bells

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

Well it doesn't really matter if you're jester or town as long as we break the kookie jar

Don't think Parela is jester though

-Magnus

Although the 1v1 theory only makes sense if you are

Whatever, too much thinking, maybe I should follow the independent read of kookie being scummy/different from last game, and not go galaxy brain

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Independent or with the 1v1 theory, I still think kookie are scum

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

Our avatar is Rahu and Yomi, characters from a tactical RPG gacha game called Alchemist Code. Rahu is an energetic chronomancer and Yomi is a nimble monk

Classic gacha gamers

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

like you are town and we are town and the two scummiest are absolutely chillin and kookiemonster to me... but if we're more confident that -raya and -magnus at not traitor then voting -raya and -magnus potentially(???) the better option

Parela Parela, I think you're the other town this labyrinth. Do you disagree with the theory in 113/114? The mutual 1v1 is really really weird without outside shenanigans. Chillin aren't playing towards an end goal if they're scum and kookie jester, since they almost certainly die tomorrow for the push if that's the case. kookie on the other hand are pushing Chillin while leaving themselves room to act paranoid.

A natural 1v1 is the one we and kookie had last game. I thought they were scummy but not in a obvious jester way, and they were extremely paranoid we were a jester and didn't vote us until after a lot of deliberation and thoughts (the walls). There's none of that here

-Magnus

To be clear:

kookie-last game: Lots of paranoia and deliberation about someone who's scummy being a jester, before sorting their thoughts out and voting them
kookie-this game: A little paranoia sprinkled in here and there while voting who they think is scum, no in-depth deliberation

I think kookie as jester might not even fake that little paranoia, since it serves no purpose, the fact it's in there is because they want to act like they're paranoid about Chillin being a jester in the event they can push them out and they flip jester

-Magnus

Magnus last game: scummy as fuck
Magnus this game: writing three page thesis's
who's scum here?
Sommers is scum
pooky is jester
game is solved.

Right, we're scum because I've posted more words this time in a game that's lasted longer than the last one. This is definitely a genuine read you have



-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Tame this beast

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I have power armour and you can't even escape the grasp of that human holding you

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Good vibes

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Sorry, got busy

I agree with everything my partner has said so far (except that we are jester. This is false)

Chillin is not pushing kookie in a way that looks like scum pushing jester because they are certainly going to be elimed the next day if that's the case. Pooky can show a lot of confidence in reads but this is for sure more than usual so I agree Pooky could be a jester baiting. This also looks strongly like scum!noraa meta. I also agree that the way noraa is acting around pushing chillin reads as trying not to appear too confident, as scum would act towards the jester.

So my solve right now is:

Chillin - Jester
Wind - IC
Kookie - Scum
Parela - Town
Sommers - Town (not jester!)

Reread their interaction with this mindset. It adds up perfectly.

-Raya

I am happy with this solve even though it's wrong because I want to yeet Kookie into the sun

That's exactly why the solve makes sense though.

I'd have to fact check that but I'm pretty certain I've read you correctly before...

-Raya

You placed that E-2 vote on me page 5 or something as town which is embarrassing as hell. I wouldn't be surprised if ur actually jester this game. ur read on me is way overconfident. You say I'm scum and your reads are so reliable because you've read me correctly one singular time.
And ftr. I consider survivor to be the same thing as town essentially so get that right.
Also why the fuck would I put effort into town spewing after last game

Wrong head. I wasn't even around before the hammer besides 1 memepost so I never got the opportunity to get any read on you. Not liking the misrep. I also read you correctly twice but that's besides the point.

do you think magnus knows how to obvscum on cue? as how to play as jester was difficult for me as i am usually confused as to why people want to eliminate me when they do

doubt he's doing it on purpose

You think we're the jester, and magnus is subconsciously acting like mafia? That doesn't make any sense?

[Sommers 365]

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

which probably gives us

sommers/chillin mafia
kookie jester

ya?

which would give us more

sommers/chillin mafia
sommers/kookie jester

Why doesn't kookie mafia/chillin jester work?

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

That was kookie's original push. If mafia, they can't just flop over and die, they're probably pushing back on us because think they have better odds at pushing us than Chillin. Maybe because of what you guys were saying earlier with your reads, and you being UTR

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Why doesn't kookie mafia/chillin jester work?

-Magnus

kookie would be trying to get chillin eliminated by voting for you and hoping we disagree then?

which is not impossible because they can just come back on for free but it seems less likely that they'd be mafia and pushing you primarily instead of chillin if chillin was jester

I don't think kookie-mafia wins this game if they continue pushing Chilling and manage to get them killed. I've been pushing that dynamic all game

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

and you being UTR

right but this is why the mafia have to eliminate the jester here

Hmm, perhaps. I hadn't considered that factor, it's possible kookie didn't either

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I didn't consider jesters self-voting at L-1 in that game

I have now considered this

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I didn't consider jesters self-voting at L-1 in that game

I have now considered this

-Magnus

it was probably indicative of me to have shown that i had considered it last game but for some reason (probably the brainworms) i thought it would have the reverse effect of why would they show they have considered this if they are jester

Huh, good point. I thought the observation was useful so I gave you anti-jester equity for some reason

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

VOTE: Chillin

I'm stupid for ruling out mafia!Chillin and jester!kookie based on the fact Chillin wouldn't be so obvious. Turns out they totally would

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

113 looks very different in hindsight. Chillin literally did just enter the game with a kamikaze attack the jester strat. Also, it's interesting that they never vote kookie after we had earlier. Based on their confidence on kookie being scum, they should have, but instead, they wait for Parela/Wand Jowels to vote them first

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Not sure if they think that makes them look better because their hands are clean of the wagon, but it doesn't

Good luck, Parela. We don't mind losing here if you vote Chillin, but it would be nice if you could give us the jester win, Raya's been working really late nights to get this for us

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I'm not faking any lack of awareness, Parela, I just forget obvious details sometimes. This isn't a game I've exactly given a lot of thought outside of whenever I come in post. I mean, last game, I forgot jesters could hammer at L-1 (I was town)

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Just read the push from chillin on kookie the entire day with little to no paranoia of kookie potentially being a jester. You'd think they'd consider/talk about the possibility a lot more if they're town and kookie is 50/50 jester/mafia since they're being scummy. It's shameless and brave and chillin bois deserve a medal of honour but it's also scum

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

noraa is either jester or mafia theres no way she's town haha

As early as this post Chillin established kookie was one or the other but just not town. And then the following rest of the day phase has very little consideration of the jester half, only the scum half. That's playing with an agenda of pushing kookie out since they get that sweet sweet Wand kill

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Well from my point of view it basically has to be chillin. If Parela had pushed kookie more as scum (rather than potential jester) I would say Chillin pushed too hard to be scum and it could be parela but they played as polar opposites. One considered all possibilities. The other just wanted Kookie elimed. So unless Chillin and us are both town and both incorrectly pushed the jester while Parela just laid back then is has to be Chillin.

Just read the push from chillin on kookie the entire day with little to no paranoia of kookie potentially being a jester. You'd think they'd consider/talk about the possibility a lot more if they're town and kookie is 50/50 jester/mafia since they're being scummy. It's shameless and brave and chillin bois deserve a medal of honour but it's also scum

-Magnus

This is exactly it in better words. Parela considered the possibilities. Chillin did not to the same extent at all.

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

it seems strange that you are considering us to be town because we considered options as opposed to the fact that the game would be over and we would currently be being fitted for crowns if we were mafia

Wait, you're right. I keep forgetting about the quick hammering thing. So it's fully just Chillin

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

This is like a replica of their last game, Parela, they lolhammered kookie and probably expected to lose the next day, I don't think they're that invested in winning

I don't think either wants to put in effort to actually fake reasons for why we're scum and are just hoping you randomly choose us

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

anything else we can do to help you solve this?

today has been like

'absolutely chillin is mafia and here is why...'

vs

sommers 365 is mafia! because they are! and thus fake too!

which should lean towards you being mafia? but for some reason is currently having the opposite effect on me

Like don't overthink this

Them coming out gunning to kill kookie with no paranoia on potential jestering is obvscum. It's in the same vein of them lolhammering kookie last game despite that being obvscum

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I thought about which one was more likely though and you can see that process in my earlier posts, I just got the 50/50 wrong

Chillin didn't stop to think about it at all

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I thought you sounded more unnatural this game actually which is why I thought you were jester, the trolling read way over the top

367: I linked somewhere earlier that Chillin considered kookie was either jester or mafia, but just not town in an early post, page 1 or 2 I think. They then didn't consider kookie to be a jester throughout the rest of the game. That complete lack of paranoia is unrealistic as town

Also, if they really were as confident as they say they were in being right, then they would've just voted kookie instead of refraining for whatever reason. I don't know what the motive is behind not voting but it doesn't correlate with what they're saying either way

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

I thought about which one was more likely though and you can see that process in my earlier posts, I just got the 50/50 wrong

Chillin didn't stop to think about it at all

-Magnus

this is actually a point in my favor

I didn't stop to think about it because I was convinced I was

right

I didn't even think there would be a tomorrow or a need to act/pretend like I was conflicted or some bullshit.

This is because I have an uninformed perspective.

This actually doesn't work in your favour. You knew who the jester was and you were set on getting them eliminated. You made a case and stuck to it, didn't bother to pretend to think about other possibilities or forgot to. And now you came up with the defense of being convinced. Nobody should ever be that convinced in a game of mafia that they don't even consider anything else. If you were uninformed like you claim to have been then you would have shown at least some confliction. The uninformed show confliction. That's how a town thought process works.

-Raya

[Sommers 365]

GeorgeBailey would tell you to hammer obvscum Chillin

-Magnus

[Sommers 365]

Nobody should ever be that convinced in a game of mafia that they don't even consider anything else.

have you never played with pooky before

that bear shit tunnels harder than anyone I've ever played with

Yes, but even then Pooky at the very least mentions the other possibilities. This is not the same

-Raya