Micro 1009: Would You Like To Be My Neighbor? [Game Over!]

[Loki Dokie]

I promise I won't hold it against you if you choose wrong here.

We can even pretend this game never happened

I honestly didn't want to bring my main's meta into this game but some people are very insistent *shrug*

even the latest posts. this is like the 3rd/4th time where they say 'it's ok if you're wrong and vote me, i don't mind'
that's blatant 'feel sorry for me' posting

No it isn’t. Scum!Pooky tries to pull at your heartstrings and feel sorry for him. As town, he tends to be extremely sarcastic like his fan fiction club in DC. I was spectating that Isis game and actually got fooled by him trotting out 960 like his favourite purple heart or something but then I reread and realized that he really wasn’t feeling any of the emotions he was claiming. That’s why he needed to trot 960 because he genuinely did suffer in that game but he wasn’t able to actually replicate that suffering in the Isis’ game because of course he wasn’t actually feeling it.

That’s what’s frustrating me with you. It’s almost like we’re no longer reading the same game anymore.

I think if you were town here you wouldn’t be dismissing so many of my takes and instead be arguing why my conclusions are wrong. That’s what I dislike, town!you should be arguing that - the conclusions - not continually dismissing my takes.

[Loki Dokie]

'It's probably better for me if you two do quick-elim me because I wouldn't have to agonize over which one of you is actually scum here.'

this is incredibly blatant self pity for one

It read to me as if he didn’t have a clue which one of us was scum. You reading this as self pity just seems really wrong to me.

[Loki Dokie]

as far as i can see your reasons for townreading Pooky/Emily are 90% the hammer.
it did exactly what it was designed to do
i've explained the motive many times and you've accepted it makes sense more than once in other parts of your argument
i've explained why they would bus here
what else can i do if you won't accept this? emily hammered and they won because of it.

Again, this is not entirely true. I liked Robert’s posting and I gave other reasons but yes, I tr that hammer before I even had any idea Emily was Pooky and I already explained why.

You have argued - contrary to any available evidence - that Emily was next if she didn’t, also isn’t supported because Vanders only became suspicious of her AFTER that hammer. No one was suspicious of her prior to that. It read to me like Emily wanted to make damn sure Flow was dead and at the time this occurred, really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense if she’s Flow’s buddy. And per your argument, why did she then also quickhammer Mo because she obviously had to know that would look really bad?

You can call it survival but she wouldn’t have forseen at the time you outing her and her being even able to rely on her anti-bussing thing.

I’d need to check but I think you outed her before she did the AtE thing to me about Menagerie.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki do you understand that I know for a fact Emily is scum here? That was a rhetorical question.

It read to me as if he didn’t have a clue which one of us was scum. You reading this as self pity just seems really wrong to me.

This isn't in good faith. If you think I'm dismissing it by proposing an alternative reading then you're going to take anything i say except 'I am scum' as dismissing it.

If town Pooky
- Genuine confusion

If scum Pooky
- Fake ATE
or
- Trying to fake genuine confusion

I've said that i think it's the second one because he'd said beforehand that he thought you were a lot more town and his confusion disappeared the moment you started to show doubt. i explained this. i quoted it. i can't make you read it.
I've also said i think it's the first one because they aren't mutually exclusive

does it seem wrong to you because you think it's coming from town? Then

literally anything i say will sound wrong because i'm saying it's coming from scum

I want to wait for Emily to address all of this. I’m not voting until I hear from her because I will literally kick myself if he’s scum who’s fooled me yet again.

However yes, I think the hammer argument is pretty powerful stuff because he has that history and you made the argument that Vanders had an anti-bussing meta, so why is this relevant for Vanders but not Pooky?

[Loki Dokie]

it feels like you're trolling me there

You know that’s not true. :/

[Loki Dokie]

for i think the sixth time

- if Emily did not hammer she would have had to push someone else
- we have established and agreed multiple times that Mo was suspicious for pushing other people over Emily
- from this, if Emily did not hammer and hence pushed other people, that reason for sussing Flow would have also applied to Emily

But she didn’t and that slot flipped scum. Why didn’t she try to pivot the wagon to Mo then? Scum!Pooky is extremely adept at doing exactly that. He was nominated in PYP for getting the almost certain hammer on SS switched to mena. And in Isis’ game, he convinced everyone that Ydrasse was scum. Why wouldn’t he have tried that here?

But instead he quickhammers his buddy instead of trying to redirect the wagon? Why?

[Loki Dokie]

i don't think i intend to post in the game any more because you're repeatedly telling me i'm 'dismissing' your arguments or 'reading it wrong' or showing that you clearly aren't accepting basic logical flows like in 1522

I wish could switch places with Vanders rn. Do you have any idea how hard this is for me?

[Loki Dokie]

for i think the sixth time

- if Emily did not hammer she would have had to push someone else
- we have established and agreed multiple times that Mo was suspicious for pushing other people over Emily
- from this, if Emily did not hammer and hence pushed other people, that reason for sussing Flow would have also applied to Emily

Why did she have to hammer at the specific time that she did? It was nowhere even close to deadline?

[Loki Dokie]

Let's do it piece by piece.

Do you accept that if Pooky tried and failed to redirect the wagon then he would have looked bad for the same reason that Mo did?

Yes but how is that even in the same ballpark as an insta hammer?

[Loki Dokie]

Emily, please get in here.

[Loki Dokie]

I can tell you that you will be happier to hammer scum!hopkirk rather than town!emily here.

I am sorry I didn't try harder for you. If I knew you were you I would've probably not messed around this game and tried harder to help you win.

and if you choose wrong I promise to never mention this game again or provide you with the support you need after the game is over, whichever you prefer.

Well you understood what’s hard is not just being the deciding vote in Elo but that there’s personal feelings involved, so obviously it’s hard to have Hopkirk upset with me when I had been thinking we were in a masonry all game but yeah, everything points to you being town here. I will do a bit more rereading but I don’t see dragging this out much more will do any good and yes your posts definitely help. If you left me to do this all by myself, I might just cave from the pressure and I honestly don’t think I can handle much more of it.

Like it’s like ironically my trying to save Hopkirk and push Gypyx. It made absolutely no sense to do that unless I was town. Ultimately, play is the deciding factor in almost every game or absolutely should be. Flow might have escaped had you not hammered him. Scum almost never does things that are anti-wincon like that. And the best play for scum!you is to keep Flow alive as long as possible because you’d need two less miselims.

I think it would still probably be the three of us at elo but of course you’d be in a weaker position but Hopkirk’s analysis just isn’t supported by the facts and he’s just going to continue to be upset with me but I’m an extremely logical person and emotional displays don’t just make that all disappear, though it does make it harder and then there’s the fact that I feel manipulated by Hopkirk and not you. I should be persuaded by him being right not by his being upset with me. Frustration by itself is just nai. I think if he was in my position, he’d agree with my points but because that’s obviously not the case he can’t. Town!him had brilliant reads in Royalty that were totally based in logic and I think he realizes that I’m making logical sense though he’s trying to convince me otherwise.

[Loki Dokie]

Hopkirk I read your Pooky case from TM and yeah, that’s classic scum!Pooky with the whole pulling at your heartstrings thing but yes, it’s his/Emily’s PLAY I’m tr. All the AtE in the world won’t ever substitute for town indicative play and I also thought Robert was making genuine reads as opposed to confibiasing ones.

The fact is that a bus from you makes way more sense since we shared a PT and you had a great deal of influence over me.

Also you complained a lot about the playerlist and. blamed that on your unhappiness with this game, which I totally believed but I also know you intensely dislike playing scum as well and you have been far more active in elo since it became obvious that I was leaning to hammer you over Pooky. You have been pretty much coasting through this game. Where are the multiple readslists from DC and Royalty? Instead of expressing strong opinions, you have just seemed disengaged. I have probably been overly influenced by your posting in our hood because you’ve done far more there than in the main thread.

It’s one thing for you to trust that I’m town but when do you just autosheep anyone as town? You debated reads in both DC and Royalty, you didn’t just passvely sheep.

[Loki Dokie]

'I think if he was in my position, he’d agree with my points'

If you refuse to accept any reasoning is valid accept yours then why are you dragging this out. Everything I say is going to be irrelevant since you're taking the stance that 'Hopkirk disagreeing with my stances is bad' when your main stance is 'Hopkirk is bad.'

You’re entire reasoning for why Emily is scum doesn’t really make sense to me. Yes, I disagree with it and I withessee scum!Pooky rescue his buddy SS from almost certain death and convince Peta to nuke mena instead. He is extremely good at that and why wouldn’t he try that with Flow who was in a much stronger position at the time he hammered him than SS was in PYP.

So yes, I am extremely familiar with Pooky’s scum meta now where as in Menagerie I hadn’t ever encountered it before then.

You’re also insisting that he’s been making all of these self pitying type posts and I haven’t seen that either. He has to do that when scum because he has nothing else to fall back on.

[Loki Dokie]

No and again you misconstrue my point. I believe town!you would agree with my stances and find a way to explain why my conclusions aren’t justified and actually find valid reasons to hang Pooky with but interpreting very clear townie behavior as scummy isn’t the way to convince me.

If Pooky was scum here, you would have no trouble finding those legit cracks in my reads because practically no one plays a perfect scum game - meaning that they obviously can’t because it would be anti-wincon. I’m saying if he was actually scum here, instead of dismissing my logic, you’d find the missing pieces of evidence that I’ve overlooked and be triumphantly swinging at him - similar to how Pyro did to Dunn. Pyro found the smoking gun that confiscumed Dunn but you can’t do that to Emily because it just doesn’t exist.

[Loki Dokie]

Atm it feels like you're trying to justify why you're voting me in he situation where you're wrong, buy are confident you're right. I don't care about the outcome, so if that's the case (you're say 80% confident) then I'd much prefer you hammer now

I don't see what you're TRing from Emily. It all seems to be ATE with the absence of literally anything else. I don't think you ever addressed the stuff I disliked about Robert. Self hammers very much annoy me. I've been active in elo for fairly obvious reasons. I sheeped a lot in hectic Vs FL, and any games I've played with hectic

See it’s posts like these I dislike. I’ve explained my reasons and you just keep invalidating them for reasons that don’t make sense to me.

Why is Emily’s hammer an attempt to get tr and not an actual indication that she’s town? It’s a straight up confibiased read from you, which you wouldn’t do if you were in my exact position here.

If you were trying to decide between me and Pooky, I very much doubt that would be your take.

[Loki Dokie]

If you're saying Emily isn't being self pittying here then self pittying is a bad/misleading way of phrasing it and you need to think of a better one. If you've got a different definition then let me know

He hasn’t done that here and he didn’t do that in either DC or Royalty. 960 was somewhat of an exception because the entire town wanted to miselim him despite his like gazillion attempts to towncase himself, which continued to get ignored.

[Loki Dokie]

Loki there's literally no way to dispute the premise that 'Pooky will never bus as scum'.

I've explained the incentives to do so
I've shown why the meta is overstated
I've explained why this game is likely to be an exception (secret alt)

What are your 'stances.' like seriously, if your 'stance' is that Pooky wouldn't bus as scum then you can't expect me to agree with that

Why did you tr Vanders for having an antibussing meta then? See another thing. You are saying the exact same thing being town indicative for Vanders isn’t for Pooky. So why is it true for one but not the other?

If you thought antibussing metareads were bad, then why do it for Vanders?

[Loki Dokie]

I've explained why Emily's hammer is an an attempt to get TR and not a genuine one so many times

- because scum!Emily looks a lot worse by not bussing to the extent she's going to be exiled
- it was rushed in a way that came off as weird. me/hem/Vanders all agree with this

Yes and I explained why I disagree also many times. Had Flow actually flipped town, I’d probably agree with this but he didn’t and monkey didn’t have an opportunity to weigh in on that post-Flow flip, so his opinion on that isn’t useful.

[Loki Dokie]

loki is still alive at endgame because Vanders said repeatedly in their last posts they would 100% always vote you and you couldn't take that into lylo. it's not as complicated/wifomy as you're trying to present it. if i was scum i'd always kill Loki here

See I don’t see why this makes any sense. Because we’re in a hood and my townflip would put more suspicion on you. Why? Because Vanders knows he’s in a town/town hood obviously and why would scum!you kill the slot that’s been hard tr you all game?

Vanders said. if I die kill Emily, so what if he didn’t die? Do you not think he’d re-evaluate her in light of that? If Emily kills me doesn’t that look far better for her than killing Vanders?

[Loki Dokie]

As I said twice last night and can quote if you want
- There's two types of bus.
1- actively pushing a wagon by giving reasons for it and hard SRing the slot
2- joining a wagon you think is going to go through for the towncred

1 is what Vanders did because they cased the slot and hard pushed it and said they weren't moving. It's the casing/pushing a partner that I think Vanders wouldn't do

2 is what I'm saying about Emily, and what would also apply to scum!hop here presumably

There's a clear difference between a vote for towncred and hard pushing a partner. Emily's vote here feels the exact same as my crappy bus on w&p in hectic Vs nancy

But she instahammered Flow while monkey was still getting caught up. Why the rush? W&P were not savable and Dunn was in an extremely strong postion until Pyro inadvertently unearthed that smoking gun.

W&P weren’t starting to look better, they were looking dead in the water and you hardpushed Clidd for really bad reasons, you didn’t push Dunn and there’s only two scum in this game.

[Loki Dokie]

One of us flipping doesn't make the other look worse.it makes the other look better because the Ayer best placed to read them hard TR them and presumably Vanders would factor that in addition to already hard SRing her

Like what kill does Emily make that doesn't result in one-two player who was lockscum on her being in the lylo. There isn't one. No matter who she kills either you or vanders or both are in lylo

Except that Vanders never claimed to hard tr you like I did. Emily had to know that what actually happened right in the beginning of elo would obviously happen. She was aware how wedded I was to my hard tr of you. Vanders might have changed his mind if it was me who died instead of him. It’s the same reason why I thought Andante kill pointed to Flow but not Mo, it’s pretty much scum suicide.

[Loki Dokie]

If Vanders dies - Emily argues why didn't Loki die when they hard TR hop?
If Loki dies - Emily argues why didn't Vanders die when they hard SR her

Like it's the same logic for either kill. Either one she's going into the lylo knowing the wincon involves changing someone's mind. I was intentionally understating my lockdown of you in the thread to increase the chance someone wouldn't kill you earlier (so it looks more like I could be swayed into voting you), for all the good it did since apparently your meta TR on me being outside my range seems to have disappeared

Why wouldn’t I be killed? Do you think Vanders was more obvtown than me? And you didn’t even locktown me right away. What you actually did say was that you thought it was Emily. You only locktowned me when it was beyond obvious I was town.

So once again, you contradict yourself. Based off of this post, you shouldn’t have said that you think it’s Emily but you’re like over 80% sure or whatever,

There’s actually nothing wrong with what you actually did say other than it’s a clear contradiction. According to you, you downplayed your lock tr of me to save me from the nk, so why did you enter elo saying that you “think” it’s Emily if you had actually locktowned me at that point?

[Loki Dokie]

The Rush would be
- to prevent other hammers (Mo was an erratic player, Mo might have)
- she genuinely didn't think the hammer looked bad
- she has to say something there. She doesn't need to hammer, but a hammer looks better than saying 'i support the wagon but not voting yet' which is essentially an intent that she can't take back

Either of those

Wouldn’t a Mo hammer be actually great for scum!Emily? Then they kill Vanders. Then she could possibly push monkey along with Flow right?

Then she wins. Why does scum!Emily makes things a gazillion times harder for herself by bussing, when she could very easily convince me to lim monkey who I wasn’t necessarily tr. Only reason he died was because Flow flip mech confitowned him.

[Loki Dokie]

And now I have plans for the day and should probably start prepping. Might be online in the evening but unlikely.

I wonder if I'd ever care enough as scum to skip breakfast to argue here against something that isn't changing. that's a pretty good question

Again, this is just wifom. If I’m last scum here, do you seriously think I wouldn’t care and just give up? Obviously not, so why would you think this is at all persuasive?

[Loki Dokie]

What logic am I 'dismissing' that doesn't also include 'Hop is scum'. I am disagreeing with your conclusions and the reasons for them and to keep saying it in vague terms. Lay out a list of things I'm dismissing if you want direct responses to a list

I think I’ve made all of that extremely clear. Emily Flow hammer, you’re interpreting Pooky’s posting as “self pity”. Pooky’s anti-bussing meta when you clearly valued Vanders’. And most recently you claiming you downplayed your locktown read on me to save me from the nk yet you we’re definitely not lock tr at the beginning of this day. You’re saying my Pooky read is based off of AtE when you are the one who keeps trying to persuade with it.

[Loki Dokie]

It I was last scum I think yeah I would just cave and give up because I wouldn't be able to justify the time spent on trying to move a 90% chance of losing down to 80%

I locktowned you right away in the lylo

, I didn't vote immediately because if you voted firs then I can just hammer instead of you doing what you're doing now. you know that I locktowned you a while ago in the QT. Turns out I can read you but not vice versa I guess

You would be killed by Emily if she thinks you are less likely to rethink than she thinks Vanders would be. That's the sum of the decision for here there imo

i am very tired and a little drunk but

i still think it is emily

Is this how you express a locktown read on someone?

[Loki Dokie]

Yeah you wanted me to vote Emily so you could hammer her. I think that much is beyond obvious.

[Loki Dokie]

And now I have plans for the day and should probably start prepping. Might be online in the evening but unlikely.

I wonder if I'd ever care enough as scum to skip breakfast to argue here against something that isn't changing. that's a pretty good question

If you’ve in elo you care irrespective of alignment.

[Loki Dokie]

I don't think the close to 100 posts I made last night and today is something I could possibly do as scum. Like it's more effort than I put into the whole game of Hectic Vs Nancy and WSB combined. I'm way outside of my scumrange right now

When did this game even happen? Do you mean FL vs Hectic or Nancy vs Titus?

Well, I’m sure Pooky can easily make that exact same argument. How isn’t he outside of his scumrange?

[Loki Dokie]

I hard pushed clidd for intentionally bad reasons btw. I wanted you to conclude that was me fake pushing a partner rather than genuinely trying to get clues exiled which is why I was holding back. I couldn't push him for good reasons because then the associative s make him far more town on my flip.

I think Fey was killed in part to frame him, since she wrongly sr him and it looked like you were trying to get the wagon switched from you to him.

Kind’ve of what it’s looking like with Emily.

[Loki Dokie]

I've explained why Emily's hammer is an an attempt to get TR and not a genuine one so many times

- because scum!Emily looks a lot worse by not bussing to the extent she's going to be exiled
- it was rushed in a way that came off as weird. me/hem/Vanders all agree with this

Yes and I explained why I disagree also many times. Had Flow actually flipped town, I’d probably agree with this but he didn’t and monkey didn’t have an opportunity to weigh in on that post-Flow flip, so his opinion on that isn’t useful.

I assume you mean the second point here.
Reread HEm, they're saying it's weird regardless of the flip.
Vanders is saying the same.
Andante was SRing Robert D1 so town can clearly dislike Robert

You've been saying for ages how weird it is youve been left alive when every night a slot that's wanted to push Emily the next day has been the one to die

Andante’s final read was a Mo/Flow team not Robert, Monkey’s read on Emily was based off his wrongly tr Flow and if he was sussing on anyone other than me it was Mo not Emily. It was Vanders not monkey who thought the hammer suspicious irrespective of flip not monkey.

Monkey died because Flow scumflip confitowned them. According to your reasoning, Vanders should have died instead.

If I wanted I could compile all of the posts disputing this but I have my excellent long term memory, so I don’t need to.

Every argument you make about Emily is a confibiased perspective and if you were in my position, I think you’d have a far more nuanced take of it.

[Loki Dokie]

Yeah you wanted me to vote Emily so you could hammer her. I think that much is beyond obvious.

And if you actually did in fact locktown me at the start/or prior to elo, you would have voted her not wait for me to vote her.

See you’re not making sense. I actually did seriously consider voting Emily because I hard tr you and probably would have had we not been in elo. Thankfully I instead I decided to hardpush her and her reaction caused me to doubt that read.


Why do you wait for me to vote Emily if you locktowned me? If you actually locktowned me, which 1286 clearly says otherwise, then that has to mean that you lockscummed Emily? So why wait for me to vote her?

You don’t even realize that what you’re saying makes no sense.

[Loki Dokie]

I just want the flip....

thats what im saying. and been wanting but flip everything i say out of context.

what do u feel bout other ppl? what r ur reads?

I'll give them to my neighbor after the flip. I already voiced, if this is town, flow and mo are scum

Where is thr Andante Robert sr?

[Loki Dokie]

Hi Flow.

Who do you think are the villains in this town?

Let's see

I TR Loki. I TR you (I like the questions).

I want to reread everyone else in more detail now that I have time. From what I remember from the skim, I somewhat TR Vand's opening.

It feels like you haven't really been thinking about this or perhaps you really do have a very bad memory condition :/

This post reads anti-associative. Flow makes this post right before Emily hammers him. Extremely weird if they’re buddies.

[Loki Dokie]

Remember what I said about having time

I was wrong, how is it so late already

And just before that, Flow makes this post.

[Loki Dokie]

also these specific posts just sounds geninue

flows reads: 795 and 796

this is something that comes from a town mindset; 487 and 488

and in post 36; talking bout style however, they are playing the same style.

I don't see anything in these five posts that reads as especially genuine.

Could you elaborate please?

okay in post 795, and 796, they think Loki, Hopkirk, and Andante are their townreads... i dont think scum thinks like that. especially considering the early interactions taht happened with loki maybe? i forgot who but it was someone...and in 796. they followed up wit saying they are townreading more than bugs -- prehaps due to actual effort from town then when andante asks to hammer bugs, flow refuses saying only if they sr them after they are done catching up. i think scum would have taken advantage of that and just hammered here nd not to slow roll.

in post 487 same thing. Flow gives insight on a new idea that never no one has brought up and explains to andante that it could just be that we are neighbors as well.

post 488 retracts that theory because they see thats not what my intent was. i think thats just town thinking in an active mindset.

in post 36, they talk about something that was referring to the interaction that resulted into soemone thinking they were changing styles this game... flow responds by saying they know someone who changes their playstyle. however they are playing the exact same way they did when they flipped town in their previous games.

There are no real details given with the townreads in 795/796 - it's a conclusion without the thought process to get there. I'm not sure how you can conclusively townread that?

Van the idea that you don't trust me is quite hurtful.

I hope this works. My first vote guys!

Wish me luck!

VOTE: Flow Trap

Actually it only looks like an insta hammer. Emily has several posts leading up to this and an almost three hr time span between them. Her progression on Flow makes sense. But that wasn’t that clear until my reread.

[Loki Dokie]

Why are you putting Flow Trap so close to elimination when myself and monkey have not even caught up?

Are you very confident that he is a villain?

I count three votes on him with four votes required to eliminate so that should be e - 1 ?

My head says no but my heart says yes.

mmm

Tell me I won't have regrets tommorrow

Why would you head say no ever, is there something wrong with it?

well my head says I should take my time to read over the game, figure out which pairings of villains make sense and whether flow trap is one of them.

my heart is fairly vulnerable to confident men with easy smiles and lots of charisma and it says I should follow you.

Could you help me catch up ?

What are the pairings in the game that are known? What happened on Day One?

Loki, I like you a lot more than Hopkirk and I wish I could trust him like I feel I can trust you.

How confident are you that Flow is scum? I worry for our town if Flow is a mis-elimination here.

Who makes sense in your mind for Flow's partner?

Mo what is your read on Flow Trap?

Hi Flow.

Who do you think are the villains in this town?

Flow what are your reads right now?

i think this is just mafia lim bait

who are the mafia trying to elim flow?

also these specific posts just sounds geninue

flows reads: 795 and 796

this is something that comes from a town mindset; 487 and 488

and in post 36; talking bout style however, they are playing the same style.

I don't see anything in these five posts that reads as especially genuine.

Could you elaborate please?

Hi Flow.

Who do you think are the villains in this town?

Let's see

I TR Loki. I TR you (I like the questions).

I want to reread everyone else in more detail now that I have time. From what I remember from the skim, I somewhat TR Vand's opening.

It feels like you haven't really been thinking about this or perhaps you really do have a very bad memory condition :/

also these specific posts just sounds geninue

flows reads: 795 and 796

this is something that comes from a town mindset; 487 and 488

and in post 36; talking bout style however, they are playing the same style.

I don't see anything in these five posts that reads as especially genuine.

Could you elaborate please?

okay in post 795, and 796, they think Loki, Hopkirk, and Andante are their townreads... i dont think scum thinks like that. especially considering the early interactions taht happened with loki maybe? i forgot who but it was someone...and in 796. they followed up wit saying they are townreading more than bugs -- prehaps due to actual effort from town then when andante asks to hammer bugs, flow refuses saying only if they sr them after they are done catching up. i think scum would have taken advantage of that and just hammered here nd not to slow roll.

in post 487 same thing. Flow gives insight on a new idea that never no one has brought up and explains to andante that it could just be that we are neighbors as well.

post 488 retracts that theory because they see thats not what my intent was. i think thats just town thinking in an active mindset.

in post 36, they talk about something that was referring to the interaction that resulted into soemone thinking they were changing styles this game... flow responds by saying they know someone who changes their playstyle. however they are playing the exact same way they did when they flipped town in their previous games.

There are no real details given with the townreads in 795/796 - it's a conclusion without the thought process to get there. I'm not sure how you can conclusively townread that?

Van the idea that you don't trust me is quite hurtful.

I hope this works. My first vote guys!

Wish me luck!

VOTE: Flow Trap

This is Emily’s entire progression on Flow.

[Loki Dokie]

And now he’s rewriting history - claiming he locktowned me while waiting for me to vote first. When he only locktowned me when it was beyond obvious. I think he was just hoping I’d vote you first and that he’d done enough to pocket me that he wouldn’t have to campaign to me but everything you’re saying rings true to me and very little of what he’s saying makes sense. So it sucks because I feel I’m literally in a position where I have to choose between literal gamethrowing and him being pissed at me.

I obviously don’t want him to be upset with me but I think anyone looking at this situation objectively would likely come to the exact same conclusion and he clearly contradicted himself with that locktown thing. I’m not even sure what the point of it was. Who wasn’t tr me after Flow flip? No one, so how is he not expressing a locktown read saving me from the nk?

[Loki Dokie]

It I was last scum I think yeah I would just cave and give up because I wouldn't be able to justify the time spent on trying to move a 90% chance of losing down to 80%

I locktowned you right away in the lylo

, I didn't vote immediately because if you voted firs then I can just hammer instead of you doing what you're doing now. you know that I locktowned you a while ago in the QT. Turns out I can read you but not vice versa I guess

You would be killed by Emily if she thinks you are less likely to rethink than she thinks Vanders would be. That's the sum of the decision for here there imo

i am very tired and a little drunk but

i still think it is emily

Is this how you express a locktown read on someone?

So 1578 is clearly untrue.

[Loki Dokie]

It I was last scum I think yeah I would just cave and give up because I wouldn't be able to justify the time spent on trying to move a 90% chance of losing down to 80%

I locktowned you right away in the lylo,

I didn't vote immediately because if you voted firs then I can just hammer instead of you doing what you're doing now

. you know that I locktowned you a while ago in the QT. Turns out I can read you but not vice versa I guess

You would be killed by Emily if she thinks you are less likely to rethink than she thinks Vanders would be. That's the sum of the decision for here there imo

And this: If he locktowned me, then by very definition, he lockscummed you and if he lockscummed you, there is absolutely no reason for him to wait for me to vote you.

[Loki Dokie]

like it makes sense for him to be upset to lose this way as scum

he played an excellent game.

Mostly but pocketing isn’t the whole enchilada, you need to have decent miselimable slots and you weren’t even if I didn’t know who you were. You can play an excellent scumgame, pocket brilliantly but if you’re in elo with a slot that’s not easily mislimable you won’t win. He needed bugs or Mo in elo and Flow being elimed forced him to kill monkey who was another potentially miselimable slot had Flow not died. Vanders died because he didn’t have the hard tr on Hopkirk that I did and you would definitely know from 960 and Skittter’s 180 on tw that killing me was better for you than killing Vanders because you had every reason to have considered me a lost cause.

[Loki Dokie]

He is extremely good at that and why wouldn’t he try that with Flow who was in a much stronger position at the time he hammered him than SS was in PYP.

this is true.

also I didn't even have to convince anyone at that point in time.

Grandpa was TRing Flow.
Monkey was on Flow's side.
Flow wouldn't vote himself.
If I side with flow that's 4 votes already.

It would be very easy for me to flip the elimination into someone else and the game is a cake-walk at early lylo with 2 townies siding wrong.

I have no incentive to push it to this type of endgame where there's a strong chance I lose.

I don’t think I want to go through another night of Hopkirk being upset with me. I think if I wait, he’s just going to be more and more upset. I mean he’s obviously going to be upset with me regardless but he seems to be the most upset at me for fhpov dragging this out.

But yeah, knowing your scum meta, it’s highly implausible that you hammer like that and Flow seemed genuinely upset about that hammer like he felt cut off at the knees by you. He clearly didn’t expect it.

In contrast a game where scum hammered was after they tried very hard to turn things around and only reluctantly bussed when it was inevitable.

I’m genuinely not looking forward to Hopkirk’s being upset with me but all the brilliant pocketing in the world isn’t going to erase my brain, so very sorry Hopkirk, you know I totally <3 you. I just don’t believe you’re town here.

[Loki Dokie]

He probably didn't know your main is very good at reading my main and that we've talked quite a bit about how to play scum and that you'd know I would never bus in that spot as scum.

Unfortunate for him that it backfired on him in that way to case me as my main.

Sorry Hopkirk <3

Your play doesn’t makes sense as scum regardless but yeah, you definitely don’t bus when you could easily get an lhf miselimed instead.

Sorry Hopkirk, I’d wait but I don’t want to go through another night of you being upset with me and then being upset with me for dragging it out. I don’t want you to blame me post-game for needlessly extending your suffering.

I honestly don’t see how Emily is scum here and I don’t think he can fake this degree of genuineness as scum and you contradicted yourself with the locktown thing and it makes absolutely no sense for town you to wait for me to vote if you locktowned me.

It not just meta Pooky, I have an extremely logical mind. All the teachers hated me in grade school because I non-stop would pester them with questions if anything they said didn’t make complete logical sense to me.

And I connect dots and the dots don’t make sense unless you are trying to play as kamikaze scum here. Like it didn’t make sense for Norwee to kill Ram.

So I think I should probably just end this and hopefully Hopkirk doesn’t forget how much I honestly adore and respect him as a person and a player and hope he isn’t too mad at me. I think you’re awesome Hopkirk and you did play a brilliant game. Unfortunately I think you’re scum here because it just doesn’t make sense if it’s Emily.

[Loki Dokie]

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Loki Dokie]

Sorry I think you absolutely deserved this win but with everything in me screaming it doesn’t make sense if it’s Emily, I can’t gamethrow no matter how much I like you.

Pooky is just very obviously town.

[Loki Dokie]

I think you missed all of the inconsistencies and overtly scummy stuff in my play in favour of claiming I wasn't responding stuff that I, now it's post game, 100% was clearly responding to. Claiming I was dismissing things that I'd repeatedly responded to was very very aggregating.

You said you locktowned me when you didn’t and there’s no reason not to vote Emily in that case. You complaing how unhappy you were in our hood also pinged me. Town!you efforts a lot more and is aggressive and opinionated. The only time you did that was when you tried to confibias Emily. Emily doesn’t hammer Flow when he’s about to turn things around. You tr Vanders for ant-bussing but not Pooky. Why wouldn’t you assume I have way more knowledge than you do about his scum meta? So it was definitely a mistake to out him because the only reason I didn’t hammer sooner was because I didn’t want you to be upset with me but once I knew for sure Emily was Pooky, the game was over and nothing you said was going to change my mind.

I think I probably would have still hammered you even if I didn’t know she was Pooky. That just sealed the deal and you accusing him of relying on AtE when your entire case was AtE and wifom.

You needed someone in elo was wasn’t Vanders or Emily to win this. I don’t just instavote in elo, so I hard push the slot I’m most suspicious of and their reactions tell me everything I need to know and once I started having doubts on Emily, it just kept solidifying. If you were trying to push me to hammer you sooner than later then the ArE was a good strategy, if it was to change my mind, it had the exact opposite effect. I am extremely resistant to that sort of thing.

[Loki Dokie]

OK PTs are there - if PTs want to be released, I just need confirmation from Loki Dokie to release the relevant PTs right now.

Will reread tomorrow. May have a few possible redactions.

[Loki Dokie]

Why would you head say no ever, is there something wrong with it?

well my head says I should take my time to read over the game, figure out which pairings of villains make sense and whether flow trap is one of them.

my heart is fairly vulnerable to confident men with easy smiles and lots of charisma and it says I should follow you

.

Could you help me catch up ?

What are the pairings in the game that are known? What happened on Day One?

I think this is my favorite post in the entire game.

[Loki Dokie]

EMILY WTF, I LITERALLY SPEND ALL NIGHT TRYING TO HELP U AND GUIDE U THRU THE GAME???

are you not gonna tell them what i told during the night???

wtf is this town??

the most optimal play is to go for the solo hood --- and that is vanders... and REGARDLESS of allignment, we flip this spot; it gives info for town!!

there will be 2 hoods going to mylo/cyclo - me, emily and hopkirk / loki and that is if and only if vanders flip town.

but guess what vanders flipping scum here is a high probablity since we already know that bugs flipped town.

if they flip scum, we win the game.

if they flip town, you are left with two hoods, and one full town and other one scum, you can probably mislynch, and then it becomes probable for town to win.

This one is probably my second.

[Loki Dokie]

How do eliminations work here? Does he get some final chance to convince us to change our minds if someone votes for him here or is it over at that point?

This one is a very close contender.

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Micro 1009 | Emily + GrandpaMo | Neighborhood PT

oh I see

I usually scum hunt by staring at someone very hard until I get little fuzzy feelings in my head and I try to follow those.

Emily is comedy gold in that hood. I’m in stitches. lmfaoooo

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Micro 1009 | Emily + GrandpaMo | Neighborhood PT

out of no input no reasoning.

I don't know how to do reasoning!

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Micro 1009 | Emily + GrandpaMo | Neighborhood PT

well they did flip scum, and uh well shit i was wrong ig . i gave flow the benefit of the doubt:/ i think if you are mafia, you are more inclined to bus dont u agree?

what does bus mean?

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Micro 1009 | Emily + GrandpaMo | Neighborhood PT

sorry grandpa

i was mafia

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Micro 1009 | Emily + GrandpaMo | Neighborhood PT

yea gg thought so after u pushed me . good luck

[Loki Dokie]

Subject: Micro 1009 | Emily + GrandpaMo | Neighborhood PT

I miss you grandpa

[Loki Dokie]

GG guys, great reevaluation Loki.

I don't really remember reevaluating Loki near Emily's hammer but I'm glad that thought helped us win.

I would also have reevaluated Emily be hopkirk had I been alive.

I was initially suffering from Stickscum syndrome but once I began having doubts it just kept getting solidified.

Hokirk was always going to take me to elo because I had been wrongly hard tr him the entire game.

[Loki Dokie]

GG guys, great reevaluation Loki.

I don't really remember reevaluating Loki near Emily's hammer but I'm glad that thought helped us win.

I would also have reevaluated Emily be hopkirk had I been alive.

I was initially suffering from Stickscum syndrome but once I began having doubts it just kept getting solidified.

Hokirk was always going to take me to elo because I had been wrongly hard tr him the entire game.

Stockscum syndrome

[Loki Dokie]

good job loki.

haha i got the best of me. im sorry if i pissed u off any time that game

No it’s fine, I did find you

challenging

however.

It’s all good now.