Mini 2221 Tarot uPick: The Deviant Moon Edition - Fin

[Dunnstral]

ahh is it yummy?

no

[Dunnstral]

hi

town post

[Dunnstral]

notty told me his early scumread and it was fuckin Bell who the hell is this guy does anyone wanna trade hydra partners

This reads as fake/performative in an effort to gain early townreads

[Dunnstral]

So far I'm scumreading ffery and Annie Edison

p.edit: nvm, just realized ffery is the mod

[Dunnstral]

You'll never guess my main

also there's been exactly 1 AI post in this thread and you won't guess what one it is.

57

[Dunnstral]

(:

Not you scum

VOTE: akrasia

[Dunnstral]

I will hold my tongue

[Dunnstral]

do I need to actually catch up or

Which head is this?

[Dunnstral]

do I need to actually catch up or

Which head is this?

sorry, all lilith currently. SS is away today I think

No you don't really need to read it. But also, do you need to ask about 3-4 pages?

[Dunnstral]

unvote me or else

I'll trust that if you were town you wouldn't make rash pr decisions and keep my vote on you

[Dunnstral]

Anyways we can end RPS (Random Pagetop Stage) at any point and fite me over my reads.

{Akrasia, Pooks, Dunn}
{you fucks}
{marci}

I think these posts: 122, 127, 140 from Akrasia are scummy. 140 has context where other people start talking about me positively

[Dunnstral]

What is your reasoning?

[Dunnstral]

Would you like to ask why i scumread you dunnstral

Sure

[Dunnstral]

I also think that it makes little sense to suggest i am so worried about people saying nice things about you that i try to deflect with something lolrandom xd when i have a history of doing so just for my own self amusement rather than an agenda

especially dismantling some positive thoughts towards you on page 6 when nothing is concrete

I didn't mean that you were deflecting, more that you initial push felt weak and then you didn't really have anything to say when people were calling me town, to them or about me

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: marcistar

[Dunnstral]

This feels mean, sorry Marci

But also, this is a scum type of frozen in place right now

[Dunnstral]

well youre here so

unfreeze

but someones gotta tap me first :roll: freezetag so hard smh

ok

Why does it seem like you only respond to things that don't really matter for the game? Like taco bell, and the sircakez in the dead thread thing

[Dunnstral]

Are we in the practice of claiming tarot cards along with claiming role?

I could see it being relevant

[Dunnstral]

Town: [Annie Edison, akrasia, Mary Saotome]
Null: [The Limit Does Not Exist]
Scummy: [catboi, Lukewarm, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir]
Scum: [Bridgeburners]

Mind meld achieved.

VOTE: Bridgeburners

[Dunnstral]

My proposal: We have catboi, Lukewarm, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir, and Bridgeburners all claim their roles today

A mini mass claim, if you will.

Just roles, no tarot card picks.

I don't think this setup can be broken with mass claim but I do think we can narrow things down and sort things out.

[Dunnstral]

We have what looks like two scum-aligned kills which is concerning

The list above is town vs mafia, not for third parties like serial killer

[Dunnstral]

113 is a bad-tone post plus votes for someone with no reason

All of their posts are after the first 2 votes on marci but don't acknowledge it

I'd say they are scummier than someone who hasn't posted.

[Dunnstral]

I already see 3 posts from Cephrir that I don't like

[Dunnstral]

You think that the vig shot:

1. janitors the target (temporarily?)
2. aims at pooky as a weird hero shot instead of anyone who is more likely

I had cabd and pooky in my town list if they hadn't died

[Dunnstral]

He simultaneously thinks you are town from your claim and that you shouldn't have claimed, even though your claimed role does nothing now

Interesting take for sure

[Dunnstral]

He simultaneously thinks you are town from your claim and that you shouldn't have claimed, even though your claimed role does nothing now

Interesting take for sure

Literal zero contradictions here

I don't think it made sense as a thought process
277 works as an explanation

[Dunnstral]

- i got townreads on cabd, lilith, and annie off of it tho

Pooky i also feel like is a bit of an odd shot for a vig so i think that its probably more sk-ish

Fwiw i dont think he would have bussed marci like that, i was townreading him coming into today

~ skit

Why didn't you mention pooky the first time? Cabd is there

- we were hooded by cabd day1; he was quite adament that scum were most likely in the players who hadnt posted {i.e. ceph, luke, gamma, catboi} and wanted to flip through that cohort.

Last I heard, he had you in that pool of players as well

[Dunnstral]

- we were hooded by cabd day1; he was quite adament that scum were most likely in the players who hadnt posted {i.e. ceph, luke, gamma, catboi} and wanted to flip through that cohort.

But you're voting me because my scum pool is that exact list but with you guys also in it?

[Dunnstral]

And why should you be outside of it from my pov?

[Dunnstral]

Also our townreads are the same, but you've omitted the two people voting for you

[Dunnstral]

Anyways we can end RPS (Random Pagetop Stage) at any point and fite me over my reads.

{Akrasia, Pooks, Dunn}
{you fucks}
{marci}

This feels mean, sorry Marci

But also, this is a scum type of frozen in place right now

Bet you the others are not present right now!

Bell confirmed scum for not hammering using the backup mod's prerogative.


But yeah Dunn's got the right of it, frozen scum is frozen.

I don't believe you when you say cabd had me at middling based on their posting in thread and how I called marci frozen

I also don't believe that you were middling vs red with the rest based on the four posts you made in the main thread

[Dunnstral]

I mean i can understand why you feel this way, not really sure what you're expecting me to say here tho given i just started posting like an hour ago.

This is in regards to your vote on me

Also, mena has no reason to be annoyed at me.

[Dunnstral]

The spirits have paved the path, requesting Bridge>Gamma>Ceph>Catboi

Stating that Cabd was not, in fact, strong townreading bridge, and that bridge supposedly slipped up some around gamma in the neighborhood

I thank the spirits for their otherworldly guidance.

The positions of Gamma and Catboi here are pretty much random, no?

[Dunnstral]

Who is him

[Dunnstral]

and that bridge supposedly slipped up some around gamma in the neighborhood

Nevermind, I should read

[Dunnstral]

Lukewarm town
Cephrir vig or "vig"
Bridgeburn mafia
Gamma or Catboi last mafia

Record pace for sorting this game

[Dunnstral]

You think that the vig shot:

1. janitors the target (temporarily?)
2. aims at pooky as a weird hero shot instead of anyone who is more likely

I had cabd and pooky in my town list if they hadn't died

1. Sure? I have one or more sort-of reasons for feeling like that might be possible.
2. I don't find pooky's iso to be particularly town. Nor could I vote anyone who "is more likely" as I didnt get any scumreads.

Going to need Cephrir to explain this, then

[Dunnstral]

Preferably by claiming their role

[Dunnstral]

Mind meld achieved.

Dunn -- what did you mean by this line?

I thought you were hinting at having been in a neighborhood with Cabd over night -- but apparently that was Bridge

Post 211

If that doesn't make sense, it was pretty much a joke since I'm not a hydra

[Dunnstral]

Also, mena has no reason to be annoyed at me.

I’m sorry, this coming from the same person who made 263?

Yeah it is

You don't have to take everything so personally

Nothing in my post should offend you

[Dunnstral]

can you stop trying to make us feel like bad people for this? we get it you’re in the moral right..

I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter and what we should really be focusing on is the neighborhood

I'll believe that Cabd had them as orange in the neighborhood. Cabd's role had a redirecting component so he would have been lying.

Here is what they have to say about the neighborhood:

Would you like the summary of what happened? I wasn’t around because, again, last weekend before starting a new job, I stopped in once to say “hey, yeah, the answer to your question about where I went is too watch community with a friend, after which you speed wagoned a fucking newbie like a prick” and then on Sunday i ended up moving a desk for a friend, then getting into an insanely long conversation about colonialism and capitalism with one friend that led to another friend getting pissed with me and so I went to see another pair of friends to get a task for taskmaster done and to decompress. I was out literally from when I woke up until when I went to bed that nights and no shit, I didn’t feel like talking to cabd when I checked in on the thread and saw how lazy his fucking take on me was

Skitter was supposed to return on the 5th, but they didn't have anything to say to poor neglected Cabd in the neighborhood who was trying to work with them.

Skitter made a show of looking like they cared about solving as they entered the main thread.

If Cabd had them as orange, what was the issue with talking to them?

It does seem like they were planning on killing cabd and didn't have much to say

At least, this is a substantial enough lead that it's worth pursuing, in my opinion

[Dunnstral]

Ultimately, even if everything Bridgeburners said was true, that would still be nai versus being towny.

And at least one other person I was previously considering looks towny (what Mary said)

[Dunnstral]

Also, I find townreading us for lilith's vote highly suspect. The way she responded is, I think, exactly how scum would have to respond in that scenario.

-S

Correct. Who is this directed at?

There's more to the read than just who voted, for me. I mentioned Marci felt frozen, that means it felt like like they didn't have a teammate around to help them at the time.

You were, at the least, around at the end, though not really at the ~right time~ if aligned, but it makes it feel at least a little less likely to me. I have you as null - less likely than someone who's never posted.

[Dunnstral]

I would give most players enough credit to bus there, especially after 179 or so

It's more like, if anyone was mafia there, Marci would have had someone to talk to in the scum pt and would have had more to say.

Instead, it felt like they genuinely didn't know how to react. So either their partner wasn't helping them or they weren't around.

[Dunnstral]

if there is a busser on the wagon it'd be Mary or Dunn as they're cold blooded enough to do it/have enough game awareness to do so,

I don't know where you got this impression of me but you're wrong

[Dunnstral]

At least I don't know why I'm being called cold blooded

[Dunnstral]

113 is a bad-tone post plus votes for someone with no reason

All of their posts are after the first 2 votes on marci but don't acknowledge it

I'd say they are scummier than someone who hasn't posted.

At least you get to play it; that's more than two (possibly three) people can say.

My opposition to early hammers aside,

I think the way Cabd and Maria bullied lilith into (effectively) hammering was reprehensible.

-S

-QB

They are quoting this with a strikethrough as if they agree with the rest.

I don't think this thought really fits with thinking mary can be scum and thinking lilith is town

[Dunnstral]

I am not strictly against a BB elim today, I just wish more people would weigh in - we have not heard from Dunn, Ydra, or Mary since Gamma has started posting

I think they're both mafia.

[Dunnstral]

Ffery prepared ~6 days of flavor and got to use... probably less than two of that. That sucks.

I'm not seeing what Cabd did that was wrong this game

Also, people are forgetting that Mary and I were both voting for Bridge burners before any of the dead communication came to light. Personally, I was ready to eliminate them at that point.

As far as game balance, I'm not sure, but I don't think it ended up mattering this game, and it's not the reason scum lost. I think the associatives created day 1 were strong, and I don't think town should have to feel ashamed of having played that way this game.

[Dunnstral]

I've been informed of further context but

There's always a chance to do something, even if it might not mean a win

From my point of view:

I went out of my way to lock in no action because I wanted to make sure my role being 'up in the air' didn't mean the game didn't end early if it needed to (it was technically possible that I could have made gamma un-voteable the next day)

This surrender was not preemptive at all and merely saved a bit of time waiting. From the pov of those playing, gamma was very probably the next elimination.

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

Town: [Annie Edison, akrasia, Mary Saotome]
Null: [The Limit Does Not Exist]
Scummy: [catboi, Lukewarm, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir]
Scum: [Bridgeburners]

Mind meld achieved.

VOTE: Bridgeburners

Nice

[Dunnstral]

For me 179 along with seeing the previous two votes prompted me to switch my vote for pressure, this was also at a time where I was feeling a bit better about akrasia

96 would have been me pointint out that marci's tone looked pretty close to this as town in another game I played, but 179 felt scummy to me.

After that, when I described them as frozen, that was a bigger tell for me, and it also indicated to me that the scum team wasn't able to help marci out and they didn't know what to do.