Micro 1024: Dead Silence II - Game Over!

[Jessica Rabbit]

Hi, why is anyone voting NM? He does this literally every game he’s in.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I was mason

Wtf just happened? Scum is 100% in NM voters.

[Jessica Rabbit]

T3 and Enchant are scum

What about bugspray? They’re vote on you doesn’t look great either.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Hi, why is anyone voting NM? He does this literally every game he’s in.

Because yeet VOTE: nm

And you know I’m right because I wrongly voted NM in the Deco for making this exact post, so how can you vote him here?

[Jessica Rabbit]

Anyone who has played with NM before knows that he pretty much makes that post pretty much every game he’s in and all I have to do is metadive NM games to see who has experience playing with him. I know for sure T3 knows this is nia for him.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Scum is (T3+Enchant+Momrangal/Uncle Shelby)

Why Mom and why not bugspray? But I guess we can’t get answers to this anymore. :/

[Jessica Rabbit]

Don't blame me, blame bug who placed you on E-1.

You hammered, why shouldn’t we blame you?

[Jessica Rabbit]

Karma.

???

You just hammered town, just thank God at least he wasn’t a mason.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Hi, why is anyone voting NM? He does this literally every game he’s in.

Because yeet VOTE: nm

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86800&start=1475

I know you know this was not scum indicative for NM, so you’re currently my #1 scumspect.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I think NM is probably right on T3/Enchant.

Mom, why do you tr him?

[Jessica Rabbit]

Absolutely.

VOTE: T3

All thata left is the enchant hammerer

Pedit: I think enchant is town

Why he’s as scummy af and he’s voting me why? I’m the one who tried to stop NM wagon.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I don't think omgus is a very compelling reason.

That said, i just think the two of you dont see eye to eye. Enchant is the type of person who i think can make himself seem more townier and be more agreeable as scum. The fact that he is of his own mind here, and is being contrary is a signature of town him.

I also think him 1v1 you is one of the ways he develops reads

Not sure if I agree but I like this post.

My vote is spiritually on T3. Their NM vote based off of playing with them in Deco was horrible.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Mom, why would you think my read is omgus? It’s not like they were off NM wagon? Their vote on me makes no sense since I tried to stop NM wagon, so it’s hella weird. And Enchant justifies hurting town wincon for karma? So if they’re actually town doing that, they’re gamethrowing.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Mom, why would you think my read is omgus? It’s not like they were off NM wagon? Their vote on me makes no sense since I tried to stop NM wagon, so it’s hella weird. And Enchant justifies hurting town wincon for karma? So if they’re actually town doing that, they’re gamethrowing.

What a hypocrite.

When NM hammers, it's fine, when me, it's gamethrowing.

Did I say it was okay for NM or anyone to do that? No, I didn’t, so knock it off with the misrep.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Official Vote Count

T3

(5): OkaPoka, Lukewarm, Momrangal, Uncle Shelby, Bugspray

Momrangal

(1): T3

Not Voting

(3): Enchant, Jessica Rabbit

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-08-07 18:00:00)


T3 has been eliminated

T3 was a

Mafia One-Shot Tryhard Complex Day Vig

Alignment:

You are aligned with the

Mafia

Abilities:

You have your voice and your vote!

Abilities:

You have a one-shot daykill you can use at any time by posting in your scum PT. If you are voted out by elimination, you will be unable to use this daykill - I will compare the timestamp.

This one-shot daykill will only succeed if it targets a Complex Role, if you target a Vanilla Townie, it will fail and you will die instead.

All daykills/eliminations will reset the votecount and the deadline(5 days).

In the event the deadline is reached, the mafia team will be asked to pick a player to die.

Win Condition

You win when you reach parity with the town.

Deadline has been Reset

With 7 alive it will take 4 votes to eliminate a player.

Awesome! Keep up the good work guys.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Jessica, why you not asking how elim went in on mafia?

He flipped scum dayvig.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Here is where my preference for votes lie

T3---> Shelby ---> luke ----> bugs ----> Oka ---> Jessica ----> enchant

VOTE: shelby

Can you elaborate on this? I currently feel best about you and Luke.

[Jessica Rabbit]

oka is way less talkative than he was in Situation Room but he gives goodvibes+ and I think he's towny other than that. That means he's probably mason. There's one VT left besides me. You and Enchant are probably not partners with oka. So FMPOV one of you is scum unless I'm wrong on oka.

Maybe Mom is right on Enchant?


Did T3 townspew all of these slots? Weird read on Oka though.

[Jessica Rabbit]

how u no feel good about me i caught t3 in 6 posts

I didn’t say I felt bad about you. I said T3’s read on you was weird, because he called you a mason.

[Jessica Rabbit]

anyways t3's 'meta' would mean its mom + enchant here but t3's m.o. this game was to play opposite to his scumgame

I don’t think it’s you. I’m still iffy on Enchant but it does look more like he’s maybe trying to sort me than shade me? I certainly hope that’s what he’s doing anyhow.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Scum is (T3+Enchant+Momrangal/Uncle Shelby)

NM tends to have better than decent reads but think he’s wrong on Mom.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Hey oka
Vote Momrangal or Enchant with me and we have a 25% chance of probably losing and a 75% chance of seeing another day.

VOTE: momr
This is a better vote I think.

Hey oka
Vote Momrangal or Enchant with me and we have a 25% chance of probably losing and a 75% chance of seeing another day.

Y u so srs?

Taking control of the game like that? Never pinged as your kinda thing mang

There is almost 100% scum in you/Enchant.

This is making me question Enchant now. Mom looks like a red herring vote.

Or this could just be total wifom.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Official Vote Count

Not_Mafia

(5): Not_Mafia, Uncle Shelby, T3, Bugspray Enchant

T3

(2): OkaPoka, Lukewarm

Not Voting

(2): Jessica Rabbit, Momrangal



With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-08-07 17:00:00)



Not Mafia has been eliminated.


He was a

Vanilla Townie

Official Vote Count

T3

(5): OkaPoka, Lukewarm, Momrangal, Uncle Shelby, Bugspray

Momrangal

(1): T3

Not Voting

(3): Enchant, Jessica Rabbit

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-08-07 18:00:00)


T3 has been eliminated

T3 was a

Mafia One-Shot Tryhard Complex Day Vig

Alignment:

You are aligned with the

Mafia

Abilities:

You have your voice and your vote!

Abilities:

You have a one-shot daykill you can use at any time by posting in your scum PT. If you are voted out by elimination, you will be unable to use this daykill - I will compare the timestamp.

This one-shot daykill will only succeed if it targets a Complex Role, if you target a Vanilla Townie, it will fail and you will die instead.

All daykills/eliminations will reset the votecount and the deadline(5 days).

In the event the deadline is reached, the mafia team will be asked to pick a player to die.

Win Condition

You win when you reach parity with the town.

Deadline has been Reset

With 7 alive it will take 4 votes to eliminate a player.

Soley going by VCA, Shelby’s votes on both wagons don’t look great.

I’m still not an Enchant fan but we’ll see.

[Jessica Rabbit]

anyways t3's 'meta' would mean its mom + enchant here but t3's m.o. this game was to play opposite to his scumgame

Yeah and Mom seems pretty damn townie, so you may be onto something.

[Jessica Rabbit]

wanna vote out bugs w me

we should do it fast before bugs can shoot

Why are so confident on bugs!scum?

[Jessica Rabbit]

There's 100% mafia on T3 voters.

I didn't vote him, and here's only 5 townies alive. If T3 feel any danger, he would just shot someone on random, because nothing to lose. So i think, he was fine when mafia voted him and then town just jumped on him and hammered, without giving time to shot.

If you don't believe i am Town, well, Jessica, just realise, you didn't vote T3 either. If you are Town, you MUST be in worry, how the hell 5 people just voted mafia. There's simple not enough town to do that without all townies or mafia help.

Yeah that’s a good point. T3 obviously had to feel safe, so scum is probably on the latter part of wagon.

[Jessica Rabbit]

wanna vote out bugs w me

we should do it fast before bugs can shoot

Why are so confident on bugs!scum?

cuz he scumreads me

Why does that make them scum?

[Jessica Rabbit]

and to be honest, i doubt scum knows how to play this setup. i agree at least one scum must have bussed t3, but even ignoring the fact that t3 couldnt shoot. if you dont bus scum here you pretty much win 90% as scum so yeah. now the thing is i know this so im not scum because ive been on t3 this entire time and why am i throwing the game by bussing t3 when i dont have to and can win for free off of mech.

But I think Enchant’s point makes sense. Why didn’t T3 shoot? He had nothing to lose.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Why T3 simple didn't shot someone.

I think that the easiest answer, is that T3 was not on from the time he was from e-1 to the time of the hammer

Checking his page, I don't see him posting anywhere else on site during that time

That’s also possible. However, I think he had to know he was next elim, so still weird though.

[Jessica Rabbit]

i aint bussing chief

Well, the 2 options are that the scum team is exactly [enchant +

jessica

, of there is at least 1 bus vote on the wagon.

Why do you think that that would be the hammer vote?

Obviously no. I tried to stop NM wagon.

[Jessica Rabbit]

That's pretty fair. Bussing is terrible play.

But i already saw bussing in terrible condition for that, so prepared to anything.


So... Bug is good, because there's no sense for him to hammer teammate before he shot someone.
OkaPoka is good, he found and tried to kill T3 from start.

Do mafia really put team on E-1 and ask to hammer? Can we clear Uncle then?

So mafia provably Mom or Luke. Possible both, or with

Jessica

.

I might vote you if you keep being dumb here. Scum!me has no reason whatsoever to derail NM wagon.

[Jessica Rabbit]

but i dont feel like its exact enchant + jess

I think Oka’s probably town but I need a better reason to vote bugs then they sr you.

[Jessica Rabbit]

There's 100% mafia on T3 voters.

I didn't vote him, and here's only 5 townies alive. If T3 feel any danger, he would just shot someone on random, because nothing to lose. So i think, he was fine when mafia voted him and then town just jumped on him and hammered, without giving time to shot.

If you don't believe i am Town, well, Jessica, just realise, you didn't vote T3 either. If you are Town, you MUST be in worry, how the hell 5 people just voted mafia. There's simple not enough town to do that without all townies or mafia help.

What if the wagon was all town and this is the narrative scum is being forced to push, now that they missed their chance to bus T3 while panicking in the PT about not getting his shot off in time

Well I don’t think that’s possible unless Pooky deviated from that setup link he gave us. According to that there are three scum, so even if Enchant were one, at least one scum had to have bussed.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Official Vote Count

T3

(5): OkaPoka, Lukewarm, Momrangal, Uncle Shelby, Bugspray

Momrangal

(1): T3

Not Voting

(3): Enchant, Jessica Rabbit

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-08-07 18:00:00)


T3 has been eliminated

T3 was a

Mafia One-Shot Tryhard Complex Day Vig

Alignment:

You are aligned with the

Mafia

Abilities:

You have your voice and your vote!

Abilities:

You have a one-shot daykill you can use at any time by posting in your scum PT. If you are voted out by elimination, you will be unable to use this daykill - I will compare the timestamp.

This one-shot daykill will only succeed if it targets a Complex Role, if you target a Vanilla Townie, it will fail and you will die instead.

All daykills/eliminations will reset the votecount and the deadline(5 days).

In the event the deadline is reached, the mafia team will be asked to pick a player to die.

Win Condition

You win when you reach parity with the town.

Deadline has been Reset

With 7 alive it will take 4 votes to eliminate a player.

Nightless Setup

Dayvigs activated privately in Mafia Thread.

PTs are always open.


The "Tryhard" Modifier means the player will die if their action fails for any reason.

The "Complex" Modifier means the action will only work on a non-Vanilla role.

Three scum according to this, which means at least one scum had to have bussed. If Enchant is town, then two.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Like, look at the start of the day

Post 4, 5, and 6 are all "townslips" about the set from T3

Post 7 is a single vote from Oka, with no other words.

T3 immediately 180s and tries to walk back the mistakes.

If those are real slips, what makes him realize his mistake? Oka did not explain it. The setup info is not even in thread, so he did not scroll up and see it.

So did he see the vote from Oka with no context, and think "I know, I should go reread the setup back in the sign up thread?" instead of, I don't know, assuming it was an rvs vote?

No, I am pretty sure that was a faked slip, and he panicked at the vote

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Now there is the question, would town!t3 fake a townslip like that?

Frustratingly, yeah. He might. In my last game with him, he pretended to have a guilty result on me. We were both VTS.

In the game before that I was in with him, he faked a scum slip as town, and fumbled it so badly that he repped out like 2 hours into day 1.

----

I think I want to vote him out either way.

Even if he is town, then he is actively throwing the games that he is in when he pulls stuff like this, and want to start voting him for it until he learns to stop doing it as town.

If he is scum, we kill scum.

In this game, townslips really aren’t possible. Pooky made very sure of that

[Jessica Rabbit]

I might vote you if you keep being dumb here. Scum!me has no reason whatsoever to derail NM wagon.

That's not achievement. Mafia know who is Town and can protect them with any reason. Even more, i saw mafia whiteknights more often than town.

Point being, I should not be the player you sus on the most because of that. No it’s obviously not a clear but it strongly points away from it being me and since I’m still suspicious of you and NM had you as a confident sr, Mom is pretty much the main reason I haven’t voted you because she’s rn my most confident tr.

[Jessica Rabbit]

ehh jessica you didn't really derail the n_m wagon looking back on it

not that it could be derailed, but eh

Hi, why is anyone voting NM? He does this literally every game he’s in.

How is this not a derail? I clearly said this wasn’t a good vote.

[Jessica Rabbit]

ehh jessica you didn't really derail the n_m wagon looking back on it

not that it could be derailed, but eh

I’m not thrilled about this post Oka.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I am lost and confused.

None of the T3 votes make sense to me as bus votes

I don't understand why Bug would hammer T3 instead of ghosting the game to give him time to shoot
I don't understand why Shelby would put T3 at E-1 if T3 was not online and we are in a game with Enchant (who has already displayed his hammer happiness)
Mom is my most confident town read
I am town
That left Oka as the vote that made the most sense as the bus vote, because that came early enough that the scum team would not have control over the timing of the hammer -- But, then Oka's point about T3 being spooked by his page 1 vote also makes a lot of sense to me :/


Enchant's refusal to vote T3, after lolhammering Not_Mafia feels bad to me... but mom...

What about Mom?

But according to the setup link Pooky sent us, there are three scum and since I know I’m not one, it obviously points to at least one scum bussing, two if Enchant is also town.

So, scum did obviously bus.

[Jessica Rabbit]

What reason mafia!me have to not try to shot someone instead?

It resets time and votes, pretty enough to give T3 chance to shot.

Because of the complex tryhard modifiers, that wouldn’t clear you because scum dies if they shoot a vt.


T3 is really the only player who could afford to risk doing that.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I am lost and confused.

None of the T3 votes make sense to me as bus votes

I don't understand why Bug would hammer T3 instead of ghosting the game to give him time to shoot
I don't understand why Shelby would put T3 at E-1 if T3 was not online and we are in a game with Enchant (who has already displayed his hammer happiness)
Mom is my most confident town read
I am town
That left Oka as the vote that made the most sense as the bus vote, because that came early enough that the scum team would not have control over the timing of the hammer -- But, then Oka's point about T3 being spooked by his page 1 vote also makes a lot of sense to me :/


Enchant's refusal to vote T3, after lolhammering Not_Mafia feels bad to me... but mom...

You know what, that’s a really good point. Maybe Shelby and bugs are town then and Enchant and Oka are the remaining scum.

[Jessica Rabbit]

My vote is spiritually on T3.

sus

How?

Here is where my preference for votes lie

T3---> Shelby ---> luke ----> bugs ----> Oka ---> Jessica ----> enchant

VOTE: shelby

Can you elaborate on this? I currently feel best about you and Luke.

is this scum guessing who two masons might be and seeing if they can get them to say something about the other like "tr but idk why hahah (jk its bcs we are masons!)" for easy yeet

Saying I feel the best about two players being town, in your mind translates to a mason guess? Please regale us with the brilliant logic that that led to this assessment.

[Jessica Rabbit]

So, maybe Jessica?

It’s obviously not me. I seriously don’t understand how Mom and NM are the only ones correctly reading me here.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I would not call her early post "derailing" the NM wagon, when at the time the only vote against him appeared to be a an RVS vote.

And she seems to be trying to lean into it for cred

Did you not check out the link I posted from Deco, which is why I was the most suspicious of T3’s vote?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I could do Jessica today looking back. I had her as m*son from her reaction to NM's fakeclaim, but her posting as of late has been pinging me even more than her early stuff, lots of LAMIST-type posts, and not a whole lot of pushing the game forward. She never actually voted Enchant throughout their entire 1v1? I can't shake my Enchant SR, if it weren't for other factors rn my vote would be locked in. Definitely don't want to do Mom or Luke.

VOTE: Shelby

Let’s 1v1 and flip you after if you get your way.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I could do Jessica today looking back. I had her as m*son from her reaction to NM's fakeclaim, but her posting as of late has been pinging me even more than her early stuff, lots of LAMIST-type posts, and not a whole lot of pushing the game forward. She never actually voted Enchant throughout their entire 1v1? I can't shake my Enchant SR, if it weren't for other factors rn my vote would be locked in. Definitely don't want to do Mom or Luke.

VOTE: Shelby

Let’s 1v1 and flip you after if you get your way.

Shelby is scum because he thinks I’m mason and that’s why he’s pushing me.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Anybody who knows NM knows he opens literally every single game with that exact same post. You can stop acting like you were the one who broke the story lol

This is scum. I want props after this flips red.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Why in the world would scum push a mason in this setup lol

Because you don’t risk anything by miseliming me but you could die if you shoot me and I’m vt.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Let’s 1v1 and flip you after if you get your way.

Alternately, you could actually give a proper defense, or properly push a scumread at some point this game?

So now you’re hesitating because you know I’m flipping town.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I know you know this was not scum indicative for NM, so you’re currently my #1 scumspect.

I think NM is probably right on T3/Enchant.

My vote is spiritually on T3. Their NM vote based off of playing with them in Deco was horrible.

which is why I was the most suspicious of T3’s vote?

I think my issue, is that you kept saying how scummy he was for it, but never voted him

Fair I was planning to vote but I thought we could get more info. That’s why I said my vote was spiritually on him. I will flip town and my flip will probably contribute to us losing. So if you want to hand the game to scum, then definitely vote me.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Alternately, you could actually give a proper defense,

Let’s put it this way, my flip will 100% guarantee a scum stomp.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Alternately, you could actually give a proper defense,

Let’s put it this way, my flip will 100% guarantee a scum stomp.

Ehhh I'm obviously not entertaining the 1v1, but this can still go today if not Enchant. Back to work for me now.

VOTE: Jessica

Remember this people. Shelby has figured out what I’m going to flip.

[Jessica Rabbit]

VOTE: Shelby
Fine.

Good, I guess Mom is probably right then because it’s 100% in scum’s interest to flip me and they absolutely know it.

[Jessica Rabbit]

wtf i thought it was luke mom jessica

I was obviously vt. How did you not see that? And Mom was as townie af.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Here is where my preference for votes lie

T3

--->

Shelby

--->

luke

----> bugs ----> Oka ---> Jessica ----> enchant

Mom is a scumhunting God. I didn’t want to vote Oka or bugs because I thought it was tvt and I was obviously right.

I was doubting Luke after that, especially after Enchant voted Shelby.

[Jessica Rabbit]

T3 tried to shoot Jessica (although, Shelby and I both suggested Mom, but told him that the final choice was his)

Shelby tried to shoot Mom.

I purposefully tried to shoot incorrectly, and aimed at Jessica

That would have been hilarious since I was vt.


I figured that Shelby and you suddenly tried to ram me through because you realized I wasn’t mason.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I just can't imagine how i played this as VT.

Jessica, who you believed was masons?

I didn’t know. I thought Mom probably was. And apparently you were. Was it Oka?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I just can't imagine how i played this as VT.

Jessica, who you believed was masons?

Oh not you then, so bugs?

[Jessica Rabbit]

I considered trying and pushing Jessica sooner, but Shelby thought that she might be one of the Masons, so I didn't

That is the only reason I started pushing you instead, but then your point about the T3 panic was too good. And I could not ignore it, because I had outlined the t3 panic myself lmao

I think that Jessica could have been pushed out if I had just been more confident in my mason solve, and talked shelby into it

And I made sure that you two would have been next, because town would have figured out you were scum after I flipped vt.

[Jessica Rabbit]

I was obviously vt.

Shelby and T3 both also thought you were a mason at various points

Really? Why? I understand Mom but I don’t know why you thought that?

[Jessica Rabbit]

And the fact that I was scummier then both Bugs and Enchant on your list, is why I then guessed they were your partners lol

I think I probably would have had better reads as mason. I certainly hope so, anyway.

Well I was right about T3 and Shelby. It’s probably stupid I didn’t put him at E-1 but I don’t like to rush the day but maybe I didn’t fully grasp the correct way to play this setup?

[Jessica Rabbit]

And I made sure that you two would have been next, because town would have figured out you were scum after I flipped vt.

The moment you flipped, we won the game. So that is not actually worth anything

Well then I was right about that. I did say that scum wanted me flipped and it was both scum suddenly hardpushing me.

[Jessica Rabbit]

You were in my top reads.

I figured if I was even found out, top two was where they would look hence me placing bugs where he was

@jessica

You have very good reads then. Of course, you also knew who the other masons were. I think I was really obviously town. Still shocked that you and NM were the only townies who could see that.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Masons are Me, Bug and Mom.

I have bad language knowledge. I just can't imagine how i would play this as VT

That’s also why I pushed Shelby so hard and not you. I knew that since she was right on me, I should probably listen to her.

[Jessica Rabbit]

If I was town, I would have voted you in a minute.

And my only real regret this game, is not trying to push you sooner tbh

You very obviously have terrible reads in that case. Trying to find out why someone trs another slot is very clearly NOT mason hunting.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Subject: Dead Silence II Mafia PT

If you take the shoot still,

Shoot : Jessica

I’m heartbroken Pooky didn’t allow this.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Subject: Dead Silence II Mafia PT

If you take the shoot still,

Shoot : Jessica

I’m heartbroken Pooky didn’t allow this.

You were the person that I very much thought was not a mason, but my partners kept saying they thought you were. So it seemed fitting to go out purposefully misfiring on you lol

What’s the difference between conceding and getting yourself killed?

I think that the speed of the game probably works against scum activating their dayvigges. I think it maybe not being nightless would probably have made it more balanced and I probably really didn’t fully grasp the setup or I wouldn’t have hesitated on putting T3 at e-1, so I understand why that looked bad because normally it wouldn’t.

[Jessica Rabbit]

Instead, we ended up with a game where

Scum!T3 submitted a vig shot, but it failed because the hammer already happened
Scum!Shelby submitted a vig shot, but it failed because the hammer already happened
Scum!Luke submitted a vig shot, but it failed because the concede had already happened

Yeah, that was kind of my point. Scum doesn’t want to risk being wrong unless dying, which creates that scenario.

Well, except of course wrt to the concede obviously. So, I think if scum could have night vigs instead, they would have had a much better chance of winning this.