Mafia 29: Mafia - Game over!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote:Locus Cosecant

for being silly and because teh R4nd0m1z0r said he was pro-town and because LosCs is always pro-town...

[Mastermind of Sin]

yay for bandwagons! as long as they ain't on me...and as long as they target those damn townies...

[Mastermind of Sin]

right, GH...Hell, I'm perfectly willing to say out in the open right now that I'm a member of the mafia! 8) Are you trying to say you aren't? Cuz then we have to kill you, ya know...

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol

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lol

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you all know you want to lynch Locus Cosecant!!! He's obviously pro-town, and that's bad...lynch lynch!

[Mastermind of Sin]

of course...you must be a townie, since light hurts mafia...or something...

[Mastermind of Sin]

UNVOTE, VOTE:HairyMezican

An OMGUS random vote at the beginning of the game is

not

as scummy action...the fact that you tried to use that to rationalize your vote

is

[Mastermind of Sin]

oops...as=a...

[Mastermind of Sin]

but 3 does, I had voted joe--

Hmm, I guess you did, I missed that when looking through, and I think I missed 1 person voting for me. Oh well, it wasn't a real bandwagon anyways; I was just trying to lure scum into voting for me.

My suspect list right now:
Maximus
Mastermind of Sin
PeaceBringer
Locus Cosecant

funny how your suspect list is just the people who voted you in that order...how innovative, townie...

[Mastermind of Sin]

yes, I'd also like to hear from you three...

[Mastermind of Sin]

yes, I'd also like to hear from you three...

errr, I meant to post that after post 88, but it didn't go through last night...

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol@KE...on a more serious note, I agree with KE...no lynch == bad is all but the most special cases...and this case isn't one of those, IMO...

[Mastermind of Sin]

exactly...

[Mastermind of Sin]

how does his claim work? that's like someone claiming townie in any other game...do you just believe them anyway? Remind me to claim townie whenever I'm mafia in a game with you...

[Mastermind of Sin]

My Current Suspect List - (Yes I am paranoid)

Lurkers - these people haven't posted much
joe - newbie, so I'm not sure how much this means
olliep - also a newbie
Maximus
ZONEACE
PeaceBringer - not really lurking per se, but doesn't he usually post a lot more than this?

"No Lynch" camp - normally I've only seen mafia promote this, I would be surprised if there were no evil townies on here
Uraj45
olliep
GenocideHeart

People who voted for me - I was an easy target for the townies to try to get votes onto, and it seems odd that I would get that many votes that quickly if there were no scum on this list
Maximus
Mastermind of Sin
PeaceBringer - hot spot
LocusCosecant - hot spot
olliep
Lazarus Moth
bloojay

As Locus talks more and more, he seems more and more like mafia, although his original vote for me, which lacked any discussion made him seem like a townie, he doesn't seem like suspect #1 anymore, so I will go ahead and

unvote

My top two suspects right now are olliep, and PeaceBringer. Since olliep is rather new at this, I'm not sure if the fact that he is on all 3 lists is just because he is new at this, or because he is scum, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt for right now.

PeaceBringer on the other hand was #3 to vote for me, hasn't been posting as much as he normally does, and seems to want public approval before he proceeds. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that PeaceBringer is a townie.

vote: PeaceBringer

actually, you make a good point...olliep is on all three of the suspicious list of things scum(townies) like to try....

UNVOTE, VOTE:olliep

[Mastermind of Sin]

oh crap, you already said that in ur post, didn't you...I really need to read more throughly...

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another reason my vote is on olliep...he's using crap logic to justify his votes, or he's not even trying to justify them...

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age doesn't really matter all that much...I know the ages of a few ppl here that I'm betting you would swear were ten years older than they were...

[Mastermind of Sin]

is there anyone left who hasn't posted?

I would also like a vote count, plz...

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol, so bloodthirsty, Coron...any reason for it?

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol, when am I

ever

bloodthirsty?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not town! I'm a good, law-abi...errr...breaking mafia member!

[Mastermind of Sin]

FOS: Coron HE'S SPAMMING HE MUST BE SCUM






(notice I didn't bold it)

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm posting, umm, that's all...

<_<
>_>

[Mastermind of Sin]

heh.

[Mastermind of Sin]

spamming? who's spamming?

[Mastermind of Sin]

uh huh...mafia are incessant spammers...it helps annoy the town into making mistakes...

[Mastermind of Sin]

ah, but if you look before the game stalled, you would see that we also have contributed the most...

[Mastermind of Sin]

The real problem here is that he looks as though he's protecting you, Mastermind of Sin, or both, using, as I have said, bullying and intimidation.

You're welcome.

not to mention that you could be trying to protect, say, joe, HM, or Olliep13 by trying to come up with stupid reasons to lynch ppl...really, don't try to pull crap like this, because it always applies back at yourself...

[Mastermind of Sin]

That sounded pretty towny to tell the truth MoS.

Lynch MOS!

unvote Vote:MoS

like to explain why that would be towny?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yes, I'm trying to protect HairyMezican. That's why I'm voting for him.

Mastermind of Sin, do you think before you post, or is spamming mindlessly the best you can do?

no, I thought it through comepletely...the fact that you, of all people, didn't, makes me suspicious. voting for a scum (or townie in this case) buddy is a common tactic early in the game so you can say later..."But look, I voted for him! How could I be scum with him?" All I'm pointing out is that you could be trying to protect one of the people who are under the most scrutiny by coming up with stupid reasons to get the spotlight off of them...

UNVOTE, VOTE: Locus Cosecant

...the longer this game goes, the worse I'm feeling about you, and the fact that you completely missed that possibility seems really scummy coming from you (or not coming from you, as the case may be)

[Mastermind of Sin]

desperate? how? I'm just pointing out that LosCs is trying to use logic that applies to himself just as well.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Ummm, how is that making threats???

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Peacebringer, you forgot to bold your vote on Locus Cosecant...oh, and I definitely

won't

vouch for his play style being like this, because if he normally played like this, I wouldn't be voting for him...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Well, that sucks...I'm still convinced Locus Cosecant is townie, but no one else can see it...his play is much scummier than normal, and he has a slightly scummy play style already...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't think we need to lynch Mezican today, JDTAY...We should have more info now, and he came close enough to being lynched that I doubt he is town, at least enough that wasting a lynch on another claimed goon is pointless...it is possible he planned to give himself up, but since there was no night, there was no way for him to plan this with his town buddies if he was lying...you are way too eager to waste another of our lynches, so I think you are town trying to push us towards that goal...

VOTE:JDTAY

[Mastermind of Sin]

GH, you might want to point out which ppl on ur list were voting for who, to narrow things down...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Alternatively, the town tried an unsuccessfull Coron bandwagon and both bloojay and commify are townspeople.

I voted for Coron because I thought it was better to vote for a possible townie than for ZONEACE or HM, who were goons. I saw the case against ZONEACE as rather weak, and I never really thought that HM had done anything scummy.

wait...how did you

know

they were goons??? Anybody could claim to be a goon...actually, I've seen several instances where scum claimed a role day 1 without any real provocation, just so that people wouldn't really think about them as possible scum...I'm not saying that I think HM is scum(townie), but I only came to that opinion after seeing the end of the day and what happened...I don't see any way you could've known at that point unless you had information on them in advance...

[Mastermind of Sin]

actually, I just realized that JDTAY's playing this pretty normal right now, not to mention that two people isn't really much of a connection this early in the game, so I'd like to try out a little theory of mine...Locus Cosecant is usually pretty sure of his scum, and I've found that many times when I'm inclined not to believe him, he's right anyways...now that I know he's a confirmed innocent, I'll try

UNVOTE, VOTE:Coron

, since there's reasonable evidence against him, as presented by LosCs, not to mention the above post being a load of crap...

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Yeah, you pretty much covered it, Coron...I know it's not much evidence, but at least it's something, more than what we have to go on...besides, we can always go on a lurker hunt later today if nothing else turns up...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I believe that's it.

bigbenwd
Maximus
King Enigma (replacing Omniplex)
Uraj45

On a quick comparison check, bigbenwd and Uraj45 both voted for ZONEACE yesterday, while Maximus voted for Hairy Mezican. King Enigma has four posts this game and has never made a vote. So, with that in mind, I'll

UNVOTE, VOTE: KE

[b/]

for the time being...maybe he'll decide to show up before it's been a month since his last post...

[Mastermind of Sin]

oh, sorry...I won't bother fixing the bolding, then...I'll just

UNVOTE, VOTE: bigbenwd

, although Maximus looks a bit suspicious to me...

[Mastermind of Sin]

meh, works for me...I've seen other people do it in this game, and since ben hasn't been around most of this game, I can believe that he's still adjusting...I just wanted him to post, anyways...

UNVOTE, VOTE: maximus

[Mastermind of Sin]

well, it shouldn't really surprise you, because

oh, sorry...I won't bother fixing the bolding, then...I'll just UNVOTE, VOTE: bigbenwd, although Maximus looks a bit suspicious to me...

mostly because I feel you are needlessly bandwagoning someone who is more likely innocent than most others...we actually have information now, so there is no need to do so at this time, if ever...the fact that he came so close to a lynch makes me believe it probably was NOT a scum ploy, especially since he had no way to discuss this with them beforehand...

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ummm, yeah, there is a reason...I voted for JDTAY for being so bloodthirsty against HM again...but then I realized that that's his normal play style, so I wanted to try a theory with Coron...then someone asked who the lurkers were, and I relized that some people only had 4 posts, none today, so I voted for them...I wanted to go back to Coron since he was the one I actually wanted to go for at the time, but then Maximus slipped up, and I'm pegging him as town...so yes, there is a reason for changing my vote...

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ummm, yeah, there is a reason...I voted for JDTAY for being so bloodthirsty against HM again...but then I realized that that's his normal play style, so I wanted to try a theory with Coron...then someone asked who the lurkers were, and I relized that some people only had 4 posts, none today, so I voted for them...I wanted to go back to Coron since he was the one I actually wanted to go for at the time, but then Maximus slipped up, and I'm pegging him as town...so yes, there is a reason for changing my vote...It's not like I'm jumping on all the likely bandwagons or something...

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whoops, sorry...I accidentally sent it early, but it said it didn't go through, so I added to it and resent it...mod, could you delete the first of these three posts?

[Mastermind of Sin]

and since ben hasn't been around most of this game, I can believe that he's still adjusting

Why hasn't he been around for most of the game? Care to point out or trying to protect your scum buddy here?

Unvote: HairyMezican Vote: Mastermind of Sin

You first jump from people to people voting and unvoting, while stating at the same time that we have some information and there is no need to bandwagon someone.

we actually have information now, so there is no need to do so at this time

Sounds like you are making big use out of this information that we have by jumping from people to people.

I don't know why he hasn't been around...perhaps he forgot about the game...perhaps the fact that he didn't understand what was going on made him lose interest...I don't know...what I do know is that people who were "entering" the game, shall we say, sometimes made the mistake of mixing up town and mafia...since ben apparently hasn't been paying attention to the game at all, I can believe that he just mixed them up...

I said we have information, so there is no need to bandwagon someone who claimed goon and came close enough to being lynched that I am inclined to believe him for the time being...I said nothing about lurker hunts, because of course those are just temporary votes to bring people back into the game...and by information, I mean we have clues from people's actions so far, and can make a more educated guess as to scum...that's why I voted for Coron, and that's why I voted for you. I already explained these things, so unless you just didn't pick it up the first time, you're just OMGUS voting me, and I don't appreciate it, because OMGUS voting is never a pro-town action...if you actually had valid reasons for voting for me, as misguided as they may have been, there wouldn't be a problem...I would attempt to explain myself to you as best as possible...but the fact remains that you are making up reasons to vote for me, first asking me something no one except ben could even answer unless they know him IRL and then pointing out something that had already been explained at least once so far...

CONFIRM VOTE: Maximus

Die Scum Die

Ungggh. I'm back.
I'm inclined to agree with

Vote" Mastermind of Sin

. Seems to me that he's putting up his logic and then simply abandoning it without any sort of conviction. Doesen't seem like actually wanting to find scum.

huh? I put up logic that I was voting for ben on a lurker hunt...then he posted, so I went with someone who actually looked suspicious...I want to find scum, but voting for lurkers isn't necessarily trying to find scum, just trying to get them active again, which is why once most people came back, I went after someone I actually think is scum...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Let's see if I can spell this out for those of you that are denser than most...

-Day 2 starts
-I vote JDTAY for trying to bandwagon HM, since HM is probably not scum...
-Then, after looking at some of JDTAY's other games, I realize that he plays like this a lot, so I vote Coron to test a theory of mine, since a confirmed mafia was suspicious of him
-Then someone ask about lurkers, and when I look back and find them, I see that ben only had like three posts so far, so I vote for him to get him to come out
-Ben posts, and since I'm not really suspicious of him, I switch to maximus, who had jumped to the top of my list by copying people like JDTAY in voting for HM...however, this does not seem to be his normal play style, so I think I have caught scum...

How is this jumping around hoping for bandwagons? I voted for someone, but then things changed in my mind, so I switch to the top of my list...what's so wrong with that? Would you rather that I stuck with someone who I didn't feel was suspicious? Or are you just defending your scum buddy maximus?

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let's get one thing straight...I never tried to start any bandwagons...every time I voted, I clearly stated why I was voting that way...I am switching votes because people seem scummier...I don't know about Scalebane, but I'm pretty sure Maximus is scum leading this false wagon...

Saclebane, what don't you understand about my reasons? I provide logic where needed in my posts...if you bothered looking at my other games, you would see that I'm always like that whether I'm scum or not...yes, I did jump votes...four times...because I FOUND SOMEONE MORE SUSPICIOUS...the only time that wasn't the truth was when I wanted to bring ben out of lurking...I wasn't really suspicious of him...what point out Maximus to me was that he came back to the game and immediately placed a vote on HairyMezican, which is about the scummiest thing anyone could have done at that point...I believe it is 7 or 8 to lynch, and Maximus put him at FIVE...if that's not blatant bandwagoning then I don't know what is...no one has EVER provided good evidence that HM is scum, yet Maximus tries to sneak him another vote closer to a lynch...

and no, I didn't say day 2 would go smoother...don't misquote me...I said we had more info, but not that that would make things smoother...hell, I expected it to be rougher, since scum will be trying to misinterpret information to decieve the town(hmmm, I wonder what Maximus is doing?)...the fact that we have more info means that

we don't have to bandwagon a claimed goon

...we can make more educated votes, which is what I have been doing...the fact that I realized that a more probably scum was out there just means that I'm paying attention and trying to help the town, as opposed to just sitting there on one person for an entire day, which is what you guys seem to think I should've done...

also, forgot about this earlier, but

FOS: commify

for claiming to have

known

that ZONEACE and HM were goons when they claimed...

[Mastermind of Sin]

why is HM suspicious? y'all never bother explaining it...DON'T TRY TO PLAY LIKE IS!!!!! IT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN ASSHOLE...explain yourself...just because you were the second person on a useless bandwagon doesn't mean you're

not

scummy...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Mastermind of Sin: I'm sorry, I should've reiterated. I

felt

that they were not scum. I thought this was implied, especially because I explained further on

why

I thought they were goons. Are we clear now?

Oh, and I will rebuke you for using the "A-hole" word, which is not necessary or polite.

ok, I can understand that...I feel the same way at this point, anyways...

unFOS:Commify

and sorry about that, but IS really does act like an "A-Hole", and it saddens me when people try to copy him, because they just can't pull it off...

yes, Coron, I know what you're talking about...the point is, no one even tried to explain that for their vote...everyone kept piling on HM, because they were "returning to their old suspicions" or whatever...the thing is, they never posted any valid suspicions

in the first place

...that's what made me suspicious...and for Maximus to come along and place a FIFTH vote on him for no reason whatsoever is really suspicious...I'd like to note that while Maximus and others are attacking me, they repeatedly fail to address the valid points made against them, choosing instead to ignore them as if they didn't exist...this is my mind is the scummiest thing that could happen right now...

also, I'd like to hear from others in general...we have a lot of lurkers in this game, and it bothers me...people like DarkLight140 need to speak up, please...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Well, at least one sensible person is in this game...

[Mastermind of Sin]

lmao...erm...I wasn't just doing that...you didn't see anything...*covers your monitor in duct tape*

[Mastermind of Sin]

Laz, are you SURE you've played with IS before???

Anyways, I'd like to add to the reasons for Maximus...JDTAY was just being himself that I can see, and I already FOSed Laz, I believe...joe and olliep I attributed to n00bness this once, since they only brought it to half majority, I believe, and had just made it a bandwagon by HM reaching 4 votes...however, Maximus blatantly bandwagoning HM without decent reasoning for putting HM 3(?) votes from a lynch...this in my mind is ultra scummy because it seems like he was trying to sneak through another useless lynch so that we are down another pro-town player...I would also like to mention that I am exasperated by the nearly complete lack of logic I'm seeing from Maximus...Also, note that he has never tried to explain his vote on HM, but once I put the pressure on him, he OMGUSed me and has been aggresively attacking me since without ever acknowledging any of my points...that is NOT pro-town behavior...a pro-town player would try to justify his suspicions, or admit that he has little basis for them...he would also attempt to put everything as logically as possible in order to help the town decide who is scum...they would NOT try to rush a lynch on anyone with little to no evidence against them, especially twice in one day...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Right...I hurt the town because I try to find scum instead of following a pointless bandwagon that is more likely to waste a lynch than not...

[Mastermind of Sin]

huh, I love how half the bandwagon on HM jumped to me once I point out how suspicious that was...

I'd like to request that DarkLight140 be prodded, please...

[Mastermind of Sin]

so now not only is maximus trying to trick you into thinking he has information, but you're now going to make me claim just because of a possible hint??? really, you people need to look at his actions more carefully...i don't buy his "hint" one bit...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm just trying to get somebody lynched today because it's day 2 DEADLINED. Our odds are better with lynching the most suspicious/frustrated person right now than sitting there our hands folded hoping somebody trips.

we are...and you tripped...that's why I'm trying to lynch you...you, on the other hand, have only slightly reasonable reasons at best for why I am scummy...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'd like to point out that I am uncomfortable with the fact that olliep and lazarusmoth have bandwagoned me and then started lurking afterwards...they did the same thing with HM earlier in the day, and it bothered me then, as well...I would suggest that anyone who is not sure I am scum PLEASE unvote me before deadline, because otherwise we will be wasting another lynch...I would of course suggest that you move your vote to maximus, whom I believe I have clearly illustrated why he is scummy...however, that is your choice, and if you don't believe he is scum, so be it...at this point it will be not be advantageous to lynch me, nor will it be advantageous to force me to claim...at this point I'm probably already a scum target from what I've said so far, but I don't want to give them enough information to actually determine my role...please consider this carefully...I realize that Maximus has brought some reasonable points against me, but I implore you to reread and consider whether they are any more plausible than the factual explanations I told you all several times...however, I have pointed out several scummy things about Maximus, and he has not even TRIED to defend himself...I believe that the town is trying to orchestrate an easy lynch on me to keep Maximus from having to explain himself, since he refuses to do so even though I have asked him to several times...it is common scum tactics to ignore someone that is attacking them, trying to make it seem as if the accusations leveled against them don't mean anything...however, a true good player would always be concerned with accusations, because any accusations they leave undefended make it worse for them and distract the good group from catching actual scum...anyways, I'm just asking you to read through and reconsider your votes, or, of you haven't voted, please think things through before you vote...

[Mastermind of Sin]

You're right...I

AM

desparate, and I thought I made that perfectly clear in my last post...I'm desparate to keep you from lynching wrong again...also, I think we might've found another scum in Lazarusmoth, so I suggest that he be investigated if I die, since I will, of course, turn up innocent...Lazarusmoth has been very quiet the entire game...he has

one

post 4 lines long, 3 posts 3 lines long, and the rest are all shorter...not to mention that most of his posts are fairly contentless and do not contribute to the discussion...take his last post, for example...Lazarusmoth posts

A WEEK AFTER VOTING FOR ME

, just to point out the obvious, that I am desparate...doesn't sound very innocent to me...

[Mastermind of Sin]

because if I don't tell the town, they don't know whether I'm important enough to kill, and perhaps a protection role out there would see fit to block a kill on me...I'd like to hear from a few more people that aren't voting for me, and I'll make a decision no later than this afternoon...

[Mastermind of Sin]

no, it's just that my specific role makes me a very likely night kill target...I am a bodyguard, which is the mafia equivalent of a Doc...happy now?

[Mastermind of Sin]

really, what proof do you have? I'm interested in hearing what kind of bullshit you can pull out to keep your scummy bandwagon on me...

[Mastermind of Sin]

wtf Peacebringer??? can't you make up your mind? you've been flitting on and off of us repeatedly...hell, I think you've switched votes more than I have, and at least I've given a reason for all my votes...

UNVOTE, VOTE: Peacebringer

[Mastermind of Sin]

and your reasons for voting me are...

from what I can tell, the reasons for voting for me apply to yourself just as well, which would make you a hypocrit as well as scummy-looking

[Mastermind of Sin]

Peacebringer, you need to bold that to count...

[Mastermind of Sin]

can we get a VC? I don't want a bunch of scum jumping on me at the last second...

UNVOTE, VOTE: Maximus

with the intention of unvoting before deadline, if I don't have enough votes to be lynched...Maximus is either town trying to confuse us by voting for himself or he has a relatively unimportant mafia role, either of which I'd rather lynch over myself, who has an important role...however, I would rather no lynch or lynch someone else, but the means that we need to get maximus and I below 5 votes before deadline, get more votes for no lynch than either maximus or I have, or get more votes for someone else than maximus or I have...

[Mastermind of Sin]

vote count?

[Mastermind of Sin]

vote:JDTAY

I don't like the way he's been acting all game...

of his 16 posts, 7 have been just voting and unvoting, only one or two of which actually held any content...only one of his other posts actually come close to contributing to the game in any way, and all he does in that post is agree with a point I made, so he's not really contributing anything there, either...Also, if you look at his voting pattern, other than his first random vote on joe, he's spent the last two days voting only for people that are now confirmed townies...then, when those people were all dead, he switched to a newcomer who hasn't even read the game yet, being somehow convinced he is scum...I also don't buy his unvote post either...

[Mastermind of Sin]

My contributions to the game are subtle, MoS; you're not meant to notice them. I have done my best to create a good environment for the apprehension of townies, and soon you shall see them fall, one by one.

really? then why don't your posts say much more than "lynch HM, he's a townie" ???

[Mastermind of Sin]

any reasoning?

[Mastermind of Sin]

nvm, i was thinking of a diff game...

[Mastermind of Sin]

and I'm pretty sure I am the doc...however, I am surprised that I survived through the night...several possibilties for that, though...

1) I'm scum
2) Scum are trying to frame me
3) I got protection

2 and 3 are the most likely, since 1 isn't true...

Also, I'd like to apologize for not following through with my promise concerning my vote at the end of the last day. Not that it would have made a difference, but I was up late stcuk in a massive DotA game, and my internet shut down before I could unvote. For that I am sorry, because I didn't think he was scum anymore and was only doing it to save myself.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I feel like he stole my reasoning, when it was convinient.

so why not go after JDTAY? If you follow that reasoning, he should be even more suspicious to you since he has only gone after confirmed innocents all game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

because we don't know if the other people they've gone after are innocent. The point is, you haven't contributed much to the game, and everyone you've called scum and tried to get lynched has turned up innocent through lynch or nightkill.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I am really not comfortable with MoS (doc) claim AND the fact that no one has killed him yet. Keep in mind that if he isn't the doc, there must be a real doc somewhere who's not claiming out of fear for his own life. What would the best play for the doc be, to remain silent or to let his voice be heard?

I have made some preliminary observations and I'm willing to test my suspicions of MoS further and generate some discussion.

unvote; vote: MoS

In the meantime, I also don't feel like letting KE off the hook. It's too bad he claims he just doesn't post much. But I tend to vote for people who post too little - a metagame quirk of mine. After all, the mafia game

is

about posting.

So now I must be scum because I lived through one night? I find it likely that the town left me alive because they felt I was an easy lynch, therefore living through another day without taking any hits. I'm uncomfortalbe with the way you make it seem like I've been alive through several nights without dying. Sounds kinda like scum trying to start a bandwagon to me.

Also, what's with the double post? All you changed was to unvote, but why couldn't you just do that instead of completely reiterating yourself?

[Mastermind of Sin]

hmm- I will

vote Joe

for GH-
he voted for HM when pretty much goon in my book. He has not been doing much else in the game.

why not vote for JDTAY, then? He's done the same thing, except to more than just one confirmed innocent. And he hasn't done anything to contribute to the game, either.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I wonder why that is? Maybe because I'm telling the truth? Huh, funny how that works, Lazarus.

[Mastermind of Sin]

i'm here, but i have nothing to post, really...I like my vote, but i don't have anything else to contribute unless someone else says something i can respond to...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I agree with Coron. While your strategy is good for you as a player to figure out everyone else, it's also the perfect cover for scum to hide under. Please post more, because if you don't, I'm inclined to vote for you just because I have no way of telling if you are scum or not. Of course, I still think JDTAY is much more suspicious, so I don't plan on changing my vote in the near future.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*twiddles thumbs*

[Mastermind of Sin]

JDTAY sounds better to me, although Peacebringer is probably second on my list.

[Mastermind of Sin]

unvote, vote: peacebringer

I'm not comfortable bandwagoning someone known scum was trying to lynch, so I'll go with suspect #2. JDTAY still could be scum either as coron's partner or a different scum group, but I'm not sure enough of my vote anymore to pursue that field of reasoning at the moment.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Question: Is the deadline still in effect, with this new development? It changes my thoughts a bit.

I'd have to agree with Mastermind of Sin that, while JDTAY is hardly the most innocent-looking player at the moment, we should probably drop his bandwagon purely on the basis of Coron trying to lynch him. While it's certainly possible that he was part of a different group or is an SK, I don't think that's as likely as Coron trying to toss a lynch onto anyone not his pal, and certainly I'm crossing JDTAY off my list of possible townies, as Coron certainly doesn't seem like one to play that deep of a game.

As for who we should look at now, well, I'm inclined to take a closer look at the people on the JDTAY bandwagon (Mastermind of Sin, commify, Coron, KingEnigma, PeaceBringer). While certainly the town may not have tried to push for his lynch with all their members, it's worth thinking about. As PeaceBringer was in on that, had been under suspicion for his posts, and ALSO, Coron specifically pushed JDTAY over PeaceBringer (this could merely be his opinions on who the best lynchee from his side's view was, but it could be more sinister). I'm not quite willing to commit to a vote, but I'd certainly like to get people's opinions as to the strength of this evidence.

In case someone missed it, the number of players alive dropped to 13, and therefore dropped the number to lynch to 7, rather than 8 as it was before. Careful.

I'd like to point out that, while I'm not scum, I also pushed for JDTAY over Peacebringer since JDTAY seemed scummier on a much higher level.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I agree, amazing aim for the vig.

It's good to hear that you fellas are considering a PB or MoS lynch. I definitely think we should pursue this line of suspicion.

still want to lynch the doc, eh? not that I'll live much longer, anyways...

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not sure I believe it...it's too convenient, since both his investigations are dead...and yes, I'm more suspicious of JDTAY, but the situation with Coron makes me leery of voting for him atm.

[Mastermind of Sin]

yeah, wtf? this is the second time you failed to mention my involvement with the JDTAY wagon, when I practically started it!

unvote, VOTE: DarkLight140

because something weird seems to be going on here.

[Mastermind of Sin]

why he's doing this escapes me, but there's no way he could've made the same mistake twice in a row, especially since he's usually very observant and reads every post, and I already called him on the omission once before. I don't know what's going on, but I want to find out, and I can't think of any pro-town reason to do this.

[Mastermind of Sin]

holy crap I totally forgot about Lazarusmoth. He's been doing the whole "I'm trying to look like I'm not lurking while lurking" thing while chanting about how I should be lynched in nearly every post, but I sort of shut him out since I had higher suspicions at the time.

unvote, VOTE: Lazarusmoth

[Mastermind of Sin]

yeah, way to be totally wrong, lazarus. If you actually bothered to read my posts, you would know that I had posted suspicion about you well before you switched your vote to me, so it's not an omgus. We're on day 3, lazarus...why in hell would anyone ever omgus vote on DAY 3???

[Mastermind of Sin]

Save the Dragons, it's good to have some significant contribution from you in the game, and I hope others follow suit. And while I know it's difficult to get people to change, at least I'd like to get them to contribute at least.

lazarusmoth, you are incorrect in that StD has been mum on his reasons, the last paragraph of his post is pretty on point, and you ought to address his questions.

Mastermind of Sin, an OMGUS vote is pretty stupid for day 3, which leads me to readdress my question to...

Peacebringer, why in the world did you vote for me earlier? And why are you voting for lazarusmoth now? You may have good reasons for both, I just want them from your mouth (or fingers, or whatever else you type with ).

Umm, didn't I already explain that it's not an OMGUS vote? Why are you insisting that it is the post right after I explain that it isn't? In fact, let us look at those two posts.

We're on day 3, lazarus...why in hell would anyone ever omgus vote on DAY 3???

Mastermind of Sin, an OMGUS vote is pretty stupid for day 3

sound similar? I wonder why? Maybe because I know that an omgus vote on Day 3 would be stupid and therefore would never do it? Funny how often the simplest answer is the truth...

[Mastermind of Sin]

Mastermind of Sin, he wasn't claiming you were OMGUS voting, he was agreeing with your logic and applying it to PeaceBringer's vote against him earlier. Really, you're being excessively defensive.

Quoted for truthery.

My apologies, I do see how what I wrote could be understood other than I intended it. Mastermind of Sin, you have given reasons behind your vote, and I don't classify it as an OMGUS vote.

ok, i just misunderstood, then...I was just exasperated that you would say what I thought you said right after I explained myself.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I completely agree with the above two statements.

[Mastermind of Sin]

i've pretty much expended all my thoughts and suspicions that need to be public at this point. Plus i'm too tired to add to it.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I agree with DarkLight140, and I'd like to take this post to address a couple of the points he mentioned had been made against me. I don't see how stalling the role claim was a scummy move for me. Considering my role, why would I be eager to reveal myself? As for not dying, it's common mafia practice in a big game to leave the doc alive for at least one night in hopes of getting them lynched for not dying. As for Coron, we like to hang out, and since the game was stalling, we thought we'd liven it up with a little unrelated chat. We'd already made our statements pertinent to the game and were waiting for everyone else to contribute. So, we chatted idly in the meantime. This is the way I saw it at least. I don't claim to know what Coron was thinking, but that's my guess. As for vote-hopping, that was just my style at the time. I like to see the reactions I get for placing a vote a certain way, and I tend to change my vote as my suspicions change. While it's not exactly applicable, since if I was scum I would still know this, but I'd like to point out that scum are usually more persistent, sticking with their votes for longer periods of time in order not to seem like they are just trying to lynch anybody, which is what it can seem like if you don't know the reasons behind a vote. Needless to say, I changed my vote each time for reasons that I usually tried to post in the thread around my vote. If you want to verify that vote-hopping has been my style, though, take a look at day one of THoMioST mafia.

I'm happy with my current vote, and unless Lazarusmoth come up with a very good explanation for his actions, I'm going to keep it there. If he can explain himself, I'd like to take a closer look at Uraj's actions throughout the game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

fixing no posts exist error

[Mastermind of Sin]

Since this is something that should probably be discussed by everyone and not just through pm to mod, I'd suggest that replacements are made starting with people who haven't posted the longest, since the people who posted more recently are more likely to return if we don't find a replacement right away.

As for PB, if he's a townie, I find it highly likely that he made the kills each night, and therefore claimed investigations on the people he killed in case a tracker/forensic cop-like role found out who he visited on any given night.

Still very happy with my vote. I could also go for PB, though. I'll be taking a hard look at JDTAY, Uraj, and Scalebane tomorrow. If I die, which I probably will, please look into any of those five that are still alive. There's at least one scum in that group, I can feel it. I've also got a slight suspicion of DarkLight140 and Thesp, but not enough to do anything with it. Just getting that out in case I end up dead tomorrow.

RIP Me

[Mastermind of Sin]

yeah, the whole "let's lynch MoS" thing really sucked, but then I managed to pull through...either way, the idea was nice, and no offense to the mod, but I really didn't enjoy the game...maybe it was because way too many people were scummy or something...