Mini Normal 2253 | Frogs! | Game Over

[Datisi]

f i n a l l y

VOTE: bugspray gg

[Datisi]

towntisi (:

[Datisi]

i think... we should.,,

VOTE: bugspray... for real...!1!

[Datisi]

ok it is srs bzns time

i unironically have a townping on frogsfrogs for 8. i see they're a relatively new account, and the posts strikes me pretty tonally pure, in a way that i think newb!scum would struggle to make.

@frogsfrogs, do you have experience playing mafia elsewhere?

also, i unironically think bugspray is >rand likely to be scum.

also also, @kenny pls get avatar, if everyone has an avi, the game is much easier to read for me.

[Datisi]

i'll plead the 5th until they return. i first wanna see where their mind is at.

[Datisi]

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well excuse me for translating into something y'all 'muricans will understand

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I like Datisi a lot for town for being the first to share real reads! No clue how he can read bugspray at this point but, like, I don't know anything about them and Datisi says he'll explain, so fine.

wouldn't recommend townreading me for it, giving reads early is what i always do. bugspray and i go way back. we haven't played in a little while though, and it's been even longer since they've rolled scum against me, so i would have to run some checks before i commit. though i also want to hear what bugs is thinking about the game before i out my secrets.

[Datisi]

i genuinely do like frogsfrogs's tone for town. and considering they said they're a newbie...

@kenny, is your vote just random, or do you think they could be scum?

[Datisi]

what gives you the impression that i would look at past frogs games before outing a read that is based on a tonal ping from a post on page 1?

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they said one completed game, that's very much a newbie. i assumed they're not lying about something that is so very easy to check. so no, i did not look at shit. try again.

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@kenny, is your vote just random, or do you think they could be scum?

This is actually what I like less from Datisi. What kind of information do you hope to gain from that? I mean kenny's 29 doesn't even leave much room to interpret here unless you are overinterpreting the last bit of his reason. But context looks pretty clear to me here.

Also what do you make now of bugs avoiding your scum accusation?

i hope to gain information on whether kenny has started sorting people, or if he's just memeing. i can see that his vote was non-serious, but i think it's a nice opportunity to ask him whether he shares my thoughts on frogsfrogs.

it's scummy.

[Datisi]

I think this might be scumtisi but I don't want to fuck up my read rate of finding town!datisi the past bazillion games early and then making him hella paranoid when I buddy up to him the whole game

interesting. what makes you think so this game? especially this early, you started pushing me when i had a grand total of one (1) post.

On a sidenote: I would call anyone with a join date "October 19, 2021" at least a newbie to this board. So calling frogsfrogs a newbie without checking their games seems kind of logic. I know it is possible, that they had mafia experience elsewhere. I myself fall under this category as well (about a dozen games on greylabyrinth and two on this site with a different account more than 15 years ago).

a newbie to this board, sure. but as my read was tonal in nature, that means i have to ask about their experience prior to this board, it doesn't matter that they joined here in october.

[Datisi]

it really should be obvious that it wasn't a real vote

and the reason you're not trying to rip my head off because of that is...?

[Datisi]

testarossa is town.

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sure: 56, 57, 58.

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actually:

Testarossa (2021). Frogs!.

Mini Normal, 2253

(1), 56-58.

[Datisi]

i don't really have much to respond to that considering you started calling me scum the moment i entered the thread and have given a grand total of zero reasons for doing so

[Datisi]

bugs, why do you ignore me

[Datisi]

what

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thanks, i try

bugspray

[Datisi]

they are scum >_>

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you know how i sniped ico on page 3 in that one game

i have sniped bugs multiple times like that

so yeah

[Datisi]

but you didn't...

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yes i did

it really should be obvious that it wasn't a real vote

and the reason you're not trying to rip my head off because of that is...?

you were shading me and i've been calling you scum for a while, but you keep ignoring me >_>

[Datisi]

that is... extremely wrong? you have never ignored me when i scumread you?

[Datisi]

ok fiiiiiine, i'll go into my issues with bugspray a bit more, this game ain't budging otherwise it seems.

bugs and i have played in a lot of games together, and i used to be very accurate at reading them, and very quickly. what i realized in my few recent games, town!bugspray is very quick to vote me in the beginning of the game, and is very quick to call my bullshit out if they sense it. on the other side, scum!bugspray... avoids me like the plague.

so my idea was to play in a purposefully weird/scummy way to see if they would call me out / vote me. and they didn't, they ignored me multiple times, to then say that they "always ignore scumreads on their slot" when prompted for like the third time. they didn't even use the opportunity to build a wagon on me when dwlee voted me and when they apparently started suspecting me

discuss

[Datisi]

Idk I think you're scum lol

thanks, i try

[Datisi]

to be fair i was not trying to act scummy from the very first post so i have no clue what you were seeing there but

[Datisi]

it was an elaborate reaction test that took both personality and meta into account can you piss off

[Datisi]

^^ that is meant in a jokey way i don't mean to offend sorry if that came out harsh

[Datisi]

Do you have some games as examples at hand with both of you where they have been scum?

time to burn a tell i guess >_>

town bugspray:
micro 981 - votes me in post 106 because they thought my scumread of them was bullshit (i was town)
micro 988 - votes me in rvs in post 7, expresses a serious scumread on me in post 8 (i was scum)
micro 962 - votes me in rvs, revotes me and expressed a scumread on me in post 28 (i was in a scum hydra, but they scumread a post that i wrote)
micro 1017 - votes me in post 24, declares the vote as serious (i was scum)

scum bugspray:
micro 932 - ignores me at start of the game, i correctly scumread them on page 5, they said they don't think i'm scum in post 209
micro 951 - they did end up voting me in rvs, but my slot was already an rvs target because my hydra partner is a treasure, they ended up townreading me (post 310)
micro 960 - ignores me at start of the game, townreads me by post 253

now, i know what you're thinking. "but datisi, they always townread you as scum, and here they said they scumread you!!" ok cool, except this game there were other slots that thought i was scum. they also ignored me in the beginning, only declared the scumread once i pulled it out of them, and they still didn't feel like casing me or saying why i was scum or anything - very different to their scumread on me 981 where they said why i was scum ("i'm havign trouble scumreading their slot") and decided to push me on it (and pretty much every other time where they said why i was scum)

[Datisi]

dwlee, why is meg scum

and why are you no longer voting me

[Datisi]

i pocketed dwlee by using meta

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them*

and bugs is flaky from games in general, the repout is pretty nai

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oh shit, hi house. you scum?

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i'm already hardbussing your slot d1 for cred, what makes you think i care about what you told me?

[Datisi]

but how else do i play the "i would never hardbus my strongman godfather ninja on day 1" card?

[Datisi]

Claiming scum - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.

oh shit fuck uhhh

the above was a meme and not serious pls don't modkill me

[Datisi]

anyway, now that bugs slot is gonna actually play the game

your slot is my top suspect currently, but considering my reasoning is a convoluted meta case, nobody agrees with me. could you like, read the game and give some thoughts and stuff so that i can see whether i can justify looking for your partner first?

[Datisi]

the game is like 10 pages >_>

but fine, can you iso me then?

[Datisi]

uuuugh. i just wanna get into a heated shitfighty 1v1 with someone, is that too much to ask?

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omg peeps look at that omgus house is flailing scum

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(on a serious note, will go eat some breakfast then figure out what the fuck is happening with slots not named housespray)

[Datisi]

i'm actually rereading the game and pretending to be productive.

andante is scummy because she attacked me for townreading frogs early, then she didn't circle back to that at all, and later on kind of implied we're still in rvs despite her already outing a non-rvs read.

however, bugs and andante aren't scum together. i don't think 114 + the already voting there are bugs's style of distancing.

128 is pretty decent, mirrors a lot of my problems with 120.

that's pretty much all i have comments on individually.

testarossa and emperor are town. dwlee, kenny, frogs are town *enough* to be kept alive until d2 i think, though frogs is a bit borderline there. meg is scummy. and there's probably one scum in house/andante.

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i will point out that that's an unannounced Y-1.

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who do you think we should vote instead of you

[Datisi]

meg, why are you voting andante

[Datisi]

warm take - there is only one scum in meg/andante/house

and fuck if i know which one it is

[Datisi]

actually, would house walk in and first thing he does is start bussing? actually yeah i can see that, would also explain why he wasn't too alarmed about the y-1

[Datisi]

meg and house can be scum with each other

andante is individually scummy but has anti-associates with both of them

if the scumteam isn't meg/house, there's scum in my blindspot in kenny/dwlee/frogs

and god knows i don't solve games on page 10 so there probably is scum in my blindspot

[Datisi]

Actually
VOTE: Andante
E-1!!!
VOTE: Bugspray

Do you have any thoughts, actually, on Andante right now, Dwlee? Or thoughts on anyone besides Datisi?

Could be frogs and dwlee

What actually made you switch your vote to Dwlee in the first place, Meg? You've said so much less about them

Frogs isn't with meg

i don't get how the above is +partner with dwlee but the other is -partner with meg

like they both look like throwaway nothing interactions lol

[Datisi]

Datisi, what are your thoughts on frogs?

is getting a "pass" for now because i'm actively scumreading house and meg, but if i'm wrong on those two i'll have to reasses

so like i'm listening

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310 311 312 all posted at the exact same second lmao

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and the Meg thing, I don't see partners interacting like that

idk, to me it looks like a bland "hey, scumbuddy who i am supposed to be interacting with, can you explain this one action that you made?"

actually, i need to check if that was ever followed up on

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frogs hasn't posted in the game since, fuck i shouldn't have said that

[Datisi]

VOTE: frogs

yolo

[Datisi]

Andante's analysis, now that they've started to give it, seems so goal focused and fake to me. In 314 they really answer "Why are you reading these two similar interactions in totally contradictory ways" with "It's just what I think / No wait, I mean something different"? Still justifying reads solely through vibes, making vague statements about how they see my very first post as somehow substantial enough to be "really bad". I'm seeing these posts as so manufactured for creating the reads they

want

to be giving

i have Some Issues with this post

mainly, the fact that frogs isn't townreading neither me nor andante, my reasoning for voting frogs has, quite literally, been "yolo", yet frogs does absolutely nothing to call me out? while writing a full paragraph on andante?

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i will make an innocent observation that frogs was online and posting elsewhere, while not posting here where they are at y-1 and practically under intent. good night

[Datisi]

VOTE: house

back to this wagon wee

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meg, what do you think?

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I plan to do some analysis with emp flipping so not sure atm

you are not sure about house at the moment? really?

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i think meg is aware what i am trying to ask them and i am not satisfied with their responses

[Datisi]

cool, okay.

quickhammer gets policied tomorrow if there is a tomorrow.

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house is the most scummy person anyway, we should probably wait until he claims and go from there

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i mean

if you have other ideas, i am listening

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that went 0 to 100 for like no reason.

house, who do you think is scum?

[Datisi]

wouldn't it be really funny if i

VOTE: dwlee

[Datisi]

why is scum then

[Datisi]

dwlee!scum is mostly poe for me because most people are townie, i am giving meg one more day, and i have a feeling scum might have left me alive so that they can hide behind my house push and then kill me tonight. and i don't think dwlee did anything to make me think "they are town"

the reason why i don't think andante is scum is because i don't think it makes ANY sense to bus frogs the way she did. at the time of the start of her push against frogs, they were kinda being scumread sorta but no votes were on them. entering that gamestate and starting to hardpush frogs there makes absolutely no sense because that hardpush can easily pull some of those "frogs is kinda scummy i guess idk" townies onto the wagon and then you're capital f fucked lol

i'd like to ask everyone who isn't voting (meg, kenny, dwlee, andante) to take some stances and figure out who they think is the last scumbutt

[Datisi]

i don't think dwlee did anything to make me think "they are town"

But I think I did day one, enough that people had me out of the poes and we killed a scum butt with my help

other people having you out of their poes =/= me having you out of my poe

unless you want to make a very convincing argument why i should trust the reads everyone else has on you, i don't really see the point

However I really doubt he busses his newbie partner with a yolo vote and snitches him out like in 347, which just made frogs look worse.

ehh. i'm not scum, but this is a pretty bad reason for townreading me. if i'm already bussing, i'm gonna be smearing dirt on my partner any way i can.

also feel better soon!

[Datisi]

... the ??? in the readlist could have been there to signal, that they believed those could be PRs. Meg had had some pressure on them and was seen somewhat dubious, so a d2 miselim could be a possible result. So the other ??? had to be NKed.

why would scum signal to each other who tprs might be in the main thread when they have a scum pt to talk in?

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I feel like people should townread me for scumreading Datisi during his slayer's portion and then realizing this is probably town!tisi after the play was explained.

why is this townie?

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i don't see why you couldn't have noticed something is off as scum, or at least that i am not as townie as usually

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i am now pocketed

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so, i correctly read the bugs slot as scum for the entirety of day 1, and then i went full clown mode on day 2. ok.

@mod, many thanks for the game. can we get a list of all the roles in the game?

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OH MY GOD A MASONRY

fuck that

dwlee is mason 100%

they were not >_>

[Datisi]

meg, wtf was that crumb post

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Kenny/datisi were mason team?

can confirm, yeah

[Datisi]

BTW ANDANTE WAS OBVTOWN

andante was the strongest townread in mason chat