secret shitler IV [9/9] (fascist win!)

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/in

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9p is fasc sided but any size that isn't 7 is weird

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i have actually never played 9p before

this will be an event

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i would not be surprised if lukewarm is hitler being unironically signalled right now

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btw

let's play with this rule

anyone who claims blue blue red and passes 1 blue 1 red is claiming fascist

if you get two blues you must force this game

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our winrate is already very low

it doesn't get higher if we give fasc room to claim weird shit

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btw

let's play with this rule

anyone who claims blue blue red and passes 1 blue 1 red is claiming fascist

if you get two blues you must force this game

did everyone see this

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the longer this takes the more likely I'm just to nein it, cause this is getting ridiculous

Okay so are you neining?

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You should nein fasc President even if you're in gov

If you think he's fascist and at least one of 2 or 3 is a preferable president you should nein to them instead

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You should nein fasc President even if you're in gov

If you think he's fascist and at least one of 2 or 3 is a preferable president you should nein to them instead

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btw

let's play with this rule

anyone who claims blue blue red and passes 1 blue 1 red is claiming fascist

if you get two blues you must force this game

did everyone see this

yeh I'm just not convinced

Why not

What's your counter reasoning

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I think Luke is fascist and the people calling him fascist are also fascist

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btw

let's play with this rule

anyone who claims blue blue red and passes 1 blue 1 red is claiming fascist

if you get two blues you must force this game

did everyone see this

yeh I'm just not convinced

Why not

What's your counter reasoning

I think testing can be worth it if libs are ahead and we can get potentially a couple of rock-solid lib pairs

Rock solid lib pairs in 9p where there's basically infinite combinations of lines where passing a blue can make sense? How does that work?

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like how fasc sided is 9p for it to be worth completely removing a tactical resource?

It's not a tactical resource to let fasc trade conflict for reds when fasc can conflict three times and still have a remaining fascist out of conflict

Do you understand what I'm talking about

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I think Luke is fascist and the people calling him fascist are also fascist

did you just call yourself a fascist

About 5 people called Luke fascist or fascleaning and nobody proposed a change of government

If this was lib lib gov fasc capitalize on that to call for neins to 2 or 3

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i reread the game and the version of how the chat went that existed in my head didn't align at all with what was in the game

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Holy cow my lag

I'm neining governments until andante because i think there is a very small set of lines where she passes blue with 11, i think that with thread chat the way it was 1 always passes 1-1, and I'd rather see 4x than 2x 41 on multiple dimensions

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I think petapan is lib

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i think there is a very small set of lines where she passes blue with 11, i think that with thread chat the way it was 1 always passes 1-1, and I'd rather see 4x than 2x 41 on multiple dimensions

I know that this is a marathon

but this means nothing to me

What combination of fasc partners would Andante have that doesn't include Lukewarm to think it's a good idea to play blue there as regular fascist

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So if theoretically peta is lib which I'm feeling really confident on for this early in the game and andante is only fasc with Lukewarm it gives me way more info to see what 4x does since 25 is conflicting a massive percentage of the time

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TL doesn't prevent you from being president

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if it's rc Luke peta andante we're playing 147 and winning so gl with that

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I really don't think it's a lib move to suggest I'm fasc with petapan because i called I'm lib. I also think asking why is sketch when my reason for libbing him should be fairly obvious, it's not a particularly high level read. it feels like future proofing against a potential town block to prepare to push against a potential team, particularly given i don't see why anyone should be calling 4 man teams this early in a 9p game

I really don't like the peta pan thing and the rest i don't really grok

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like i don't think I'm immediately putting the idea of 14 fasc pair in people's heads if they're a fasc pair and I'm their cofascist

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I'd like it if you picked me btw

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peta/pooks u realise that in the unlikely event that you are both lib if this turns into an actual conflict we prob just lose yeh

tbh i expect pooky to call me scum literally no matter what

would be more sus if he didn't

i'm not trusting luke off that because he would easily be pressured to passing L by all the people calling him fasc

also i think cook is fasc again

Cook is good about framing people as fasc.. I'm just gonna nein cook's and let it go to me

i wouldn't exactly call her play last time good

but also i'm not reading cook as lib this game

I'm down to nein-to-andante but I'm also tin foiling that it's [peta-rc-luke-andante]

should be obvious soon enough thats not the case

why does this feel so much like you telling me that I'm half right

i don't do dumb cheeky shit like that, i mean me being liberal should be apparent

don't think this is fasc posting man

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pooky is doing the typical thing where he no-effort trolls as scum and doesn't pretend to be useful at all

yeah pretty much

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okay pooky I'm slowly coming round to your pov

cap?

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What is pookys pov exact define it for me

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What viewpoint are you coming to precisely

Peta fasc? Why?

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that isn't what you want to see

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it's not fasc indicative although he could be fasc

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Peta i don't think you want to pick into randoms and get conflicted here

You should either play 67 or nein to 7

can't play 64 without jaing 5 which i don't think is good on tracker

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1l2f

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what kind of question is that

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I did not want to see two policy cards removed from the deck that are both blue in order to pass 1 blue policy card

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this is a terrible gov

I'd have considering jaing 57 or like 51 to play 64

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Peta if you pick not 7 and get conflicted I'll be mad

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If you aren't thinking about table positions enough to know who is in what seat you're doing something wrong

But ok I'll try to break my muscle memory

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67 74 is good

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that isn't a general rule

I've never heard that rule before in my life

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if you mean initial strategies being 1526 or 147 there's a reason for that

In 9p if all the lib players are in the center of the list then you adjust to it

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The general reason for playing farther apart is to allow XY -something- YX

That isn't happening in 9p and after me there is no one that i especially want to see in gov

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Andante please don't simp for pooky

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This isn't mafia such a list isn't useful

I think in terms of team possibilities and pairings and libreads

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I have 0 reason to try to sort the pool of people that i don't want in gov anyway

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it's useful for me to try and trust you more which is what you're asking for

I don't have an answer to your question outside of thinking that Pooky is probably fascist on every team

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I'll be really blunt

This isn't mafia. Having info doesn't mean you claim it. I think it hurts my winrate to talk about what I'm thinking any more than i have. I have 0 reads last game and got universally libread, I'm being way more communicative than i was then, this is all you're getting from me

I think 67 74 and then some random throwaway gov that everyone knows isn't lib lib

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This passes blue i hope

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How can you nein when the person you're neining to asks to ja unless you're preventing a term locked player from playing

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ok then

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conflict?

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btw i want to point something out

If me and peta is FF that is blue every single time when 7x can play right after

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btw i want to point something out

If me and peta is FF that is blue every single time when 7x can play right after

Does anyone not agree with this

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wanna check pooky?

Do you think that ever doesn't conflict?

If you inv me lib it's too easy for fascists to call us FF so I'm suggesting you pick in 14

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btw i want to point something out

If me and peta is FF that is blue every single time when 7x can play right after

Does anyone not agree with this

I mean, I have no doubt you got 2f... deck was 3-8

Not what i mean

If we are both fascists we blue that

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btw i want to point something out

If me and peta is FF that is blue every single time when 7x can play right after

Does anyone not agree with this

I mean, I have no doubt you got 2f... deck was 3-8

Not what i mean

If we are both fascists we blue that

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You do not pick in 789

Pick in 14

Why does menalque want to see one of those combos

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Yes but in that case the RRR is genuine anyway so the fact the gov reds doesn't make us any more likely FF

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okay I'm increasingly coming round to my theory of [peta-rc-luke] being all fasc

Ok so honestly menalque is just fascist

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that's not a read a liberal has, that's fascist trying to break up town block

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If they're FF we are losing 100% of the time I'll say that much, we aren't beating 146 +1

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I'm briefly considering the universe where I'm dead wrong on everything but i don't buy menalques progression as lib in that universe. Pushing RC Peta because i called him lib just shouldn't? be liberal

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Like idk if it would be worse if he was right because i just don't see it

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I think gypyx has to be fascist over pooky

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I feel like there's some universe where it's like 1469 and we just get slaughtered but I'm not sure what to do about that

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Dude Andante libbing Peta then telling peta that the gov is gonna red then it reds then asking for 94 is so fucking bizarre

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I'll pick Beeboy

Too many neins on 5x

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Team compositions

Sorry i meant 84

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I picked the gov i wanted

5x got mass neined and no one seemed to want to prevent it

The game state where 5 is fascist and 6 is lib makes extremely little sense

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RC neins beeboy as pres... but picks beeboy as a chancellor? lmao yeah no way this happens...

voting results

the government of president

beeboy

and chancellor

pooky

FAILS!

JA (4/9)

1. beeboy
   
2. pooky
   
3. enchant
   
4. andante

NEIN (5/9)

1. radiantcowbells
   
2. cook
   
3. menalque
   
4. lukewarm
   
5. petapan

election tracker: 1/3

petapan is the presidential candidate.

deadline: xx:50

Wait so i see a gov get mass neined and that doesn't make me consider that I'm wrong to nein?

Why am I fascist as soon as I stop libbing you if you're lib?

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Beeboy has a lot of lib universes so he's a good pick and if he conflicts me that gives me an insane amount of information

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There's a lot of people that i was expecting to nein that didn't

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Or at least are saying they didn't

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Lukewarm if you're clown lib in 1 and that only passed because Hitler jad then fuck you

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LL

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Pooky if you're Hitler congrats you just got yourself a government gl

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Andante suggesting 3L and Beeboy and I ff who call neins on 5x not a good look

I said LL

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RBB

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I'd pick enchant

If they conflict you the game is solved

If you and 1 conflict i can't solve

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146 is literally never 3 liberals I'll say that

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Pick anyone who jad

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I wonder if there's a universe where Peta is Hitler and thought i was his reg fascist all game and that's why everything is so confusing

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Pooky if you're liberal you are losing if you click anyone besides me

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I'll tell you that much

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It's 60% with no drops

I'm making no comment on Pooky either way

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Pooky I'll be honest with you

I see the world where you're lib and peta is fasc but I'm super unlikely to play in that world right now because of how Andante is playing so if you want winrate as lib you invest me and I'll carry crit

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It's not some super mathematical explanation

I don't think table can push us as fasc fasc and i think i can carry as se and i think that your winrate if your lib is approximately 0% doing anything else

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how Andante is playing

excuse me...

You neined a lib president that got 5 jas 4 neins

If you're lib you are the sole lib who neined me, I'll say that confidently

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Conflict?

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Ok good I'm shutting up now

Play the government that is lib lib in the world where Pooky RC is two fascists and then SE me when it reds

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Who is lib to you if I'm fascist

Pick that person

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This is called protection government

You're playing to get winrate in the version of the game where I'm fascist and then calling me lib if it doesn't work out

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Peta is only Hitler if he's fascist btw

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Peta is only Hitler if he's fascist btw

wtf is that supposed to mean

It means he's not regular fascist

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Pooky you ja I'll nein so our votes don't influence anything

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Hitler wins neither way

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You should always nein because if this neins you get gov

Peta should nein for the same reason

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Luke you aren't getting the special election so you should want to get a chance to have a government here

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Another 5/4 split

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Subject: secret shitler IV [9/9]

Luke you aren't getting the special election so you should want to get a chance to have a government here

I understood this btw. My point was that you seemed to answer the question from my POV, when I was asking what you thought from your POV.

Turns out you were against it from you POV too

Me and Pooky split votes so our votes don't influence outcome

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who should claim first

beeboy right

What exactly is the difference if you're not two fascists from your point of view

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If they're two fascists they're pretty sure their cofascist is playing next basically and they think they can get SEd

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Pick whoever you think is more lib in 46

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The team where you're lib is the one where 95 is exactly fascist fascist with 2 cofascist and fasc wanting 2x to fail and then SE in 95

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I don't have a plan

The entire point of this strategy is that i don't influence the outcome

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So if me and Pooky are fasc fasc libs have 5 libs in play vs 2 fascists so im taking a very likely loss if we are in exchange for getting sed

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I think the lines are starting to become apparent

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If Luke is neining table should nein

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Ok but now we have to ja in 23...

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Pooky isn't in the order

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Bros

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This game is getting so easy lol

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Pooky you don't get to call votes you inved me lib you are my bitch now you do what i tell you

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I mean

Lukewarm is lib

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Or 23 is double fasc

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Peta says that Andante is outing calling ja on a lib lib gov from his pov

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Conf time

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Ok so

The president calls nein

And people railroad it through anyway

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That's actually fucking illegal

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Andante is confirmed fascist btw

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I'm invested lib by Pooky i am se always

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Luke i trust you I need you to trust me

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rc I'm lib and you need my vote if you are too
explain what is going on or I nein you

What do you mean explain what is going on

You jad a government that the president said to nein and the president got conflicted

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Luke i have a safe gov

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He's term locked

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You jad a government that the president said to nein and the president got conflicted

it would be dumb to nein that. literally just THINK about it. Peta claimed luke liberal. meaning if luke hands peta 1 lib 1 fasc and peta doesn't pass the liberal, peta is hardclaiming fascist. liberal just need to pass 1

What use is that fucking information when we can pass blue

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Luke outed lib as fuck and Peta wasn't touching again anyway LOL

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Just trust me please i don't want to say what I'm thinking rn

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Man

This is really obvious this shouldn't be this hard

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I'm insta picking btw

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Nom: Enchant

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reasons

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hold on thirty second actually

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yeah we ja

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there's no good strategy involving td once

the people who call ja when près neins are confirmed fascist just ignore them

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I'm not explaining shit to you if you're lib you can lose 100* over for jaing a gov the president said to nein

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No we can't because td goes into a bad set and there's a blue already missing

Just ja

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This doesn't get all these nein calls if it's dirty mates

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Enchant and I both nein a conflicting government and we both say ja

Luke if you nein this our chance of losing skyrockets

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TD is trash with a blue down

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Listen Luke if u don't ja I'll be real upset w u ngl

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Beeboy claims to trist Pooky but won't ja Pookys inno XD

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beeboy why do you trust pooky?

I like sorta just do?
I shouldnt I want to just end on me / Luke in some capacity but idk if I can get that lol

Pooky inved me lib

If you trust Pooky you trust me

I stated ja and I'm jaing if fasc want this to pass it passes it's not hard

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Enchant and I both nein a conflicting government and we both say ja

Luke if you nein this our chance of losing skyrockets

luke literally nommed peta cause "it doesn't matter if we nom hitler now" you think liberals losing didn't start there....

I literaly told everyone to vote no.

I VOTED NO

now you're just copying what RC was saying

What's your point

He decided that 6 was fascist and you railed the government through

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Topdeck luke is just bad

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Andante is confirmed fascist

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This game is a lot fucking simpler than you make it out to be

No one in the game thinks that Pooky and RC are two fascist so you have to ja if we're jaing it's the golden rule

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If Luke is fascist who is he neining to and what gov does he expect them to play

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Topdeck is objectively bad in 1b5r

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I'm not talking to people who ja 1x after pres states ja if there's a lib in there ans this isn't passing then it is what it is

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Nice let's Hitler paranoia Enchant when 5 is already confirmed Hitler

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Oh no person who is amazing at explaining themselves as fascist and giving great justification isn't justifying themselves when they are investigated lib blobsweat whatever shall we do

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It's Luke because fasc all neined a long time ago and the rest of libs already jad

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that was easy

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Peta i really wanna know how you knew i was your regf

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No peta ur Hitler i outed we are tding lol

I just wanted to know how you knew

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Who did you think the other fascists were

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Nah menalque Andante is our #4

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Alright peta won't talk to me sad

yeet petapan

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hold gov

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yeah honestly i didn't think he was Hitler when he didn't react at all to me but i don't think i had a better shot bc i think hitler is someone who is only shot on a hitty shot

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Because I'm lib Luke I was just trying to get a read on if he was hitty first but like

I can't shoot anyone else

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Ok so we get a free gov where even if we elect fasc we don't lose Maj we just can't heil

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No conf i got shit luck on rrr

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I'm deciding if we ja 2x, shoot in 3456, play 62

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Can fascists honestly just mute like you're just wasting our fucking time at this point

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If we take 21 and it's lib lib we have 100% wr unless menalque Beeboy was blue blue red in which case we know exactly menalque is confirmed fascist

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Ig if it's RC we nein everything flip 2 cards and pray

no, we flip 1 card and make me pres

How do we do that isn't it 4/4 so all votes tie?

If u were lib u would know i shot confirmed fascist

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Go ja and we win nearly all the time

If rrr or conflict is claimed we talk then

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If ur lib menalque you should know all 3 fascists on votes ngl

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If enchant shoots a liberal we still have Maj and next gov involves me

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Ig if it's RC we nein everything flip 2 cards and pray

no, we flip 1 card and make me pres

How do we do that isn't it 4/4 so all votes tie?

If u were lib u would know i shot confirmed fascist

That's what I thought but people are disagreeing?
So I'm thrown off lol

I had you at shooting anyone but peta being a fasc move lol

bro

i want u to pause for a minute

who is calling me fascist

it's the same people who jad 16

it's the same people who neined 62

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The lib voting with the fasc block needs to take a shower and contemplate life

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Datisi just dmed me

I promise i meant like a normal shower and I've said that line before in not SH Games

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Well enchant if Lukewarm is Hitler i have mega questions for the people who forced 16 to pass because that means they were lib

We have to resign to 1 lib or at least regf knowing gypyx is coming up after that

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It's real simple

I shot confirmed fascist when i had gun

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Menalque if ur the lib i s2g

I shot confirmed fascist even if 2 is fascist this doesn't get majority if ou want to call TD to 62 thats one thing

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My lib core is me and Enchant with Luke as the most likely third

Andante menalque Pooky Beeboy gypyx should contain 3 fascists of which 1 is gypyx, Beeboy menalque contains 1 and Pooky andante contains 1

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How's that for like

The absolute simplification of the game

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Like do you think that the person who shoots confirmed fascist is getting neined if they're fasc?

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Fasc did not have a great deck lol

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Yeah that was strong play

I was gomma get 2/1 or 3/1 to pass and when it conflicts just be like yeah 2/3 is fascism

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Enchant is confirmed lib to anyone who is paying attention tbh

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You have to think in terms of teams and Enchant didn't vote in a way that made sense no matter what the team was and is unlikely to be Hitler for reasons

Neither did I but i can vote more unpredictably as fasc

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think I saw that before in a previous game where fasc wanted to avoid the risk of top decking even if odds are better for fasc

Yeah

TD is 75%

My normal scum wr > 75%

I'm not taking TD there ever when heil can go through

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I think on 14 conf or rrr i can still get SEd

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Yeah there's a reason i asked to nein to 4 and skip 2 and 3 and put the tracker on a bunch of fascists

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Oh yeah i just consider those things something you can't play around sometimes

There's a reason that SH has a flatter wr curve than mafia

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The best SH players only have just over 60% as lib versus top mafia players having winrates well above 70%

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I signalled you really hard lol

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I didn't think you make up a blue and I'm willing to take rbb loss anyway

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Thanks for hosting Datisi