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VOTE: TemporalLich
A doublevoter in an open setup with no doublevoter? Suspicious.

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VOTE: TemporalLich
A doublevoter in an open setup with no doublevoter? Suspicious.

Since when was this an open setup?

You have read the signup post in the queue, haven't you?

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Because Flea is the first scum

And what is your evidence?

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That being said, if you'd like to engage with real arguments, I note that the tone in your question there is substantially more defensive than the simple "Why do you think that?", which I find very interesting given that I have you listed as another plausible scumteam member


That being said, if you'd like to engage with real arguments, I note that the tone in your question there is substantially more defensive than the simple "Why do you think that?", which I find very interesting given that I have you listed as another plausible scumteam member

No, my tone is like that because I don't believe there is anything AI there so far.

Putting things into words moves it away from my subconscious and there's no reason to do that yet

Simply trust in my my well-documented ability to find scum on day 1

In other words, you don't have anything convincing.
VOTE: jjh927

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VOTE: Flea the Magician

My page 6 poe is Flea, plus 2 scum in Enchant, Cyrus, Pooky, Faerie, NK15

I am confident this will thin further

That is, for page 5, a very small POE.

Because Flea is the first scum

And this sounds like a confident read.

Putting things into words moves it away from my subconscious and there's no reason to do that yet

Simply trust in my my well-documented ability to find scum on day 1

Add in an argument that falls on the face if you are scum and hope nobody notices.

Your tone was defensive of flea- that is not at all explained by your apparent belief that there is nothing AI there yet, as if you truly believed that in a self-consistent way then I think you would be more interested in the possibility of there being a reason than the reverse.

Did you ask on the grounds that you thought it would be impossible for me to elaborate?
If so;
-Why does asking with that intention yield any more useful information than just waiting and seeing what I do?

I would say your question was asked with the explicit intention of pushing me afterwards because I correctly pinned your scumbuddy and put you in a poe

Attack the messenger.

I would like you to put it into words, because honestly I don't see anything AI in faer posts, aside from activity being generally but not reliably positively correlated with towniness.

Frankly, I haven't seen much of anyone that really says much yet, though I am softly leaning Town on TL for now.

To actually put something into words, that is actually my main issue. I think Flea has posted with that correlation in mind and specifically gone out of faer way to appear active although with minimal content, hence the fixation with being top poster etc

And this is exactly the maximum he could have tried to get out of Flea's posts, and it is absolutely BS because no one, save maybe for a newbie, would fall for a trick like that, so it isn't AI. The reads, and their reasons, are made of thin air.

jjh is scum.

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Transparently defensive in a scummy way, if red flip Flea is sus.

And this is an unannounced E-2.

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You know 141 contained questions directed at you, right?

It should be obvious that I asked him so that everyone would see what I saw.

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Game staling, when we start murdering?

The game is stalling because there are some complacent people who haven't expressed a single read, or the absence of reads other than null. Scum are probably waiting for someone to vote me to E-1 so that Not Mafia can lolhammer and produce a cheap mislim.
Well, this situation again...
So... can someone tell me why they are not voting jjh? Or why jjh is supposed to be town?

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Now, to something else, yes, people should reveal whom they send in as a contestant. I'll probably select an old man in a wheelchair because I am probably a better nightkill then the alternative.

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I don't think this setup should be run again. It is just too breakable if town insists on a good strategy.

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From a perspective of trying to solve the game as town, it's easier to put together a solve since unlike most games you can pretty much guarantee that some of your scumreads are gonna get NKed

But also it's 10-3 mountainous

No. It is not. Town can gurantee that at least one obvtown survives unless one mafia sacrifices themselves.
As soon as one mafia member dies it means that mafia must go through night eliminations.
And the EV for one mafia lim is high, not low, for 10-3 mountainous.

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Why don't the scum obvtown though

If scum obvtowns then town probably loses a 10:2 nightless game...

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The EV of Mafia Lovers at 10-3 is just around 21%.

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The point I'm making is that the very concept of obvtowning is an emergent trait that occurs within a game and has nothing to do with its balance, rather how well an individual player plays the game

If a good player can cause their side to win a game then what is the problem

No, that's not right.Usually, at least one good town player is going to be obvtown, and one town player, good or bad, is probably obvtown in nearly all games. These players are nightkilled in normal mafia. Here, not. That's very protown.