Mini 2265: Bears with Guns 2: Pandamonium game over

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Lim all pandas!

VOTE: Toogeloo

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Excited to be an other

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VOTE: Roden

Naked voting in RVS? What do you have to hide?

Out of everyone's entrances, I liked this one the least.

VOTE: momo

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To me this seems like clearly a joke based on their avatar.

Just Math being Math.

Yeah, in some mini normal we were both in, I remember Math putting forth some weird logic to get the game out of rvs. I'm not reading into it.

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Oh idk I've only played the one game with him, and he was town there. So like, it's at least not wholly scum indicative.

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I also think the Toog read is bizarre fwiw. I just know it's not necessarily scummy

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Is anyone voting for Toog voting because of the reasoning in 12? I'd be interested in hearing why

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Is anyone voting for Toog voting because of the reasoning in 12? I'd be interested in hearing why

I voted Toog for claiming Ninja Godfather. Or whatever a "Reverse Miller Polar Bear in a Ninja Suit" is supposed to be.

Why did you think that was vote worthy?

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I also think the Toog read is bizarre fwiw. I just know it's not necessarily scummy

Can 31 even be called a read? Because like, this is bad, seems intentionally bad to start a discussion about it, and worst thing about this it could all come from town who just want RVS gone even if it resorts to discussion over trivial things like that.

Math says it is and even seems to think some people might've been sheeping his read.

I kind of think we're out of RVS already, but I mostly wanted to read something that wasn't Math and Vanders talking about the read, since I wasn't getting anything out of that conversation.

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Think dw would have moved off toog if scum, liked mala's interactions on page 4.

Think there must have been one scum at least out of the five people on the toog wagon (based on how quick it moved), immediate objective should be sorting there.

Go on then. Who's on wagon scum?

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VOTE: Momo

First serious wagon of the game should be here
Only 3 posts so far (which is NAI) but 1 is an rvs vote, 1 gives lamist vibes, and the other feels like poor logic because it wasn't reasoned out and was just wanting to look solved.

I like this post. Meg can be town.

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VOTE: Momo

First serious wagon of the game should be here
Only 3 posts so far (which is NAI) but 1 is an rvs vote, 1 gives lamist vibes, and the other feels like poor logic because it wasn't reasoned out and was just wanting to look solvey.

EBWOP

Not liking this vote from Meg.
Nagl when Jackson Virgo has less posts and just an RVS vote.
So why momo over JV?

I feel like 121 pretty clearly explained why Meg's voting for momo, and why are you going to bat for momo? Do you townread him?

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I am going to bat for momo because of my initial townread of momo and the logic for the momo wagon I disagree with.

I think someone not posting reads is a better elim than someone who is.

There’s no one being sus though?

So inactive/doesn’t want to contribute is a pretty good elim.
There’s stuff I disagree with but nothing inherently scummy except Toog’s refusal to post a read.

I don’t see that from momo’s post. It just seems like they said they’d look at the Toog wagon start of day and I would do so whatever Toog’s alignment. (To be clear I think Toog is scum).

Ok I kinda forgot you had that initial townread on momo, but I also disagree that momo has been around to post reads. Saying there's scum on the Toog wagon with no follow up doesn't count as a read in my book.

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momo

should have been prodded by now.

Still has time on the prodder

Ewww.

What did you dislike about this post?

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yeah I don't think Greeting's post is scummy either, I've been kind of waiting for momo to come back too.

People are fooling themselves if they think this day is salvageable without eliminating me.

Just go into the night phase with your PRs while no one else has given an inkling of power, and try to fix it tomorrow.

Ending the day now feels too premature. What's your read on momo, by the way?

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What's your read on momo, by the way?

Momo is in the game?

I get that the guy has like zero presence, but I also feel like there's been a lot of discussion about him.

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Strange, you haven't commented on either of the major wagons. Penny for your thoughts?

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Mala and Math, why did you guys hammer momo yesterday without a claim?

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I mean, that's not a good reason to vote someone? >_>

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Mala and Math, why did you guys hammer momo yesterday without a claim?

To blame it on me, by creating a false narrative that I was a scum counterwagon to

momo

's town wagon. I don't believe that the circumstances surrounding voting out

momo

were a miscalculation.

Malakittens

knew what they were doing when they made 336. Their lies and fake confidence are shown in clear contradictions between 334 and 338. It's just making up stuff and strategy on the go, and the effect is detrimental to town as resulted by today's flip.

VOTE: Malakittens

MathBlade

should also explain himself.

mala's probably town for those posts tbh. I feel like scum wouldn't do an awkward vote like that, because the optics are really bad.

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I still like Vander and wave today. I'm ok with Mala I think.

Cat smells fishy, but maybe they like tuna.

I smell fine, thank you.

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Anyone TR Jackson?

I don't think anything has pinged me about them so far. Is there a reason why you're hyper focused on them?

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I strongly dislike wavemode not giving any reasoning at all for that readlist

Why? Not explaining reads isn't necessarily scummy.

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It does feel like you're building up to some sort of reveal. Is it tomorrow after work yet?

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Reading the game for real starting now, so I'll be around for a bit.

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I'm in the middle of typing up a readslist, but I'm feeling kind of silly for doing so because everything is basically null, and trying to read beyond that is basically like drawing water from a stone.

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oh well I'll post it anyway, since this game is so quiet.

Dwlee - scumreads toog and that's kind of it --->

nullscum

Greeting - they seem to be pushing people for doing weird/bizarre things that are anti-town while ignoring the town things about them --->

nullscum

JacksonVirgo - no idea. feels like he's given up but also feels like he doesn't care about dying. could be scum bravado but idk --->

null

Malakittens - already talked about a bit earlier but also I think their reaction to being pushed reads as genuinely tilted rather than trying to emotionally manipulate --->

townlean

Math - I believe their claim, and I also kind of don't think they would claim so early as scum --->

town

MegA - Kind of want to say town just based on 277 --->

nulltown

Strange - it's funny he called out me and some others for not contributing much to the game from given his ISO also doesn't have much AI in it, but that hypocrisy isn't necessarily scum indicative --->

null

Toog - some people here want a Toog lim and I don't really have any reason to argue against it, but I also don't have confidence this will flip scum. I feel like town Toog can be kind of low effort and limbaity. --

null

Vanders - we seem to be agreeing on Mala and Greeting, which normally wouldn't sway me much in one direction or another, but I need reads that are not null so I'll bump them up a bit. 446 is annoying logic but probably NAI given the 2012 join date. interested in why dwlee is town though. -->

nulltown

wavemode - interested in why they think Toog and Greeting are town but otherwise not a whole lot else here --->

null

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Basically this-

Town

Math
Mala
MegA, Vander
Jackson, Strange, Toog, wave -- the idk tier
dwlee, Greeting

Scum

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I'll vote with mala

VOTE: Greeting

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VOTE: Cat scratch nah this is scum. Voting a LHF, has no reads and then puts a retraction/safety net notice when they voted so they can get oit of a town flip easier.

I still dont like Greeting but I thini thats just their personality

Have no reads? That’s just straight up untrue. It’s true that I have no confident reads, but I think anyone who does at this point in the game is just very confident by nature or lying.

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Do you reciprocate my reasoning at all though

I had a suspicion based on Day 1 activity. I don't not disagree with your reasoning though.

Expand?

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I have two people who I’ve demarcated as willing to vote out more than other, I’m just not very sure of them. I play by mostly town hunting and ordering my reads from town to scum and whoever is least towny just goes into the “will eliminate” pile.

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Note that Vanderscamp did not vote me, but Cat Scratch Fever used Vanderscamp's reasoning and then sheeped Malakittens into voting me. That's a great way to miseliminate town without bringing much attention to themselves.

Yeah this is reaching because vanders wasn’t voting anyone? So I wasn’t going to be building any wagons by sheeping his non-vote.

Also sheeping isn’t scummy.

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How so? I have my own reasons for scumreading greeting.

And no one as far as I can recall has ever been able to hide from suspicion because they sheeped someone else’s vote.

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you’re accusing me of having no scumreads when that isn’t the case.

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You’re reading, whether deliberately or not, scum motivation where there are none.

I sheep votes all the time to build wagons. I’ll pull quotes later, but I feel like this shouldn’t be hard to grasp.

Scumreads do not need to be original or unique; I don’t understand why you think not having scumreads of my own is scummy.

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you’re accusing me of having no scumreads when that isn’t the case.

You don't. You have scum-leans on Greeting and dwlee as per 495. If you had a scum-read on either you wouldn't be as hesitant as you are. Either that or your read on them is so fake that you are afraid to put yourself out there.

1. You’re nitpicking at semantics

2. You can absolutely have a scumlean and not be confident

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1. You’re nitpicking at semantics

2. You can absolutely have a scumlean and not be confident

1. How so? Describe

in detail

2. Not when it's a scum-tell to have town-reads and no scum-reads. Scum having no scum-reads is MUCH more likely than a town not having any.

1. You keep trying to differentiate between scumreads and scumleans and push not having "scumreads" as being scummy. The distinction doesn't matter because I always push to vote my scumleans anyway if I have no confident scumreads. It's just the byproduct of playing using a process of elimination.

2. Sure but I don't have a problem with making up scumreads as scum.

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Well, it's mostly the scumleans they have which I find are odd reasons that just gives the impression of "I need to have scumleans in my reads list." over thinking, "These people are leaning towards being scum to me." is a really odd and their reasons don't feel very fleshed out to say how they could be scummy or be an actual read.

Which reasons didn't feel fleshed out?

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I thought the same thing too, pretty sure the scum at the bottom was to indicate the ranking

It was just to denote the relative order with townier people at the top and scummier people at the bottom.

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Reads as scum caught for poor reasons to me

What made you think this?

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Well, it's mostly the scumleans they have which I find are odd reasons that just gives the impression of "I need to have scumleans in my reads list." over thinking, "These people are leaning towards being scum to me." is a really odd and their reasons don't feel very fleshed out to say how they could be scummy or be an actual read.

Which reasons didn't feel fleshed out?

I already highlighted which reasons weren't fleshed out, which were the scumleans that you put down making sense to me as someone who made things up on the spot.

I was asking more which reasons do you think weren't real or fleshed out, because this is very vague? And by not fleshed out, do you mean to say that they were underexplained or did you feel that the reasons were flimsy and/or not scum indicative?

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VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Doing birthday stuff little time to post

Whatever Jackson’s alignment it’s clear he doesn’t like my play

But Occam’s razor is you’re informed scum versus coincidentally joking two roles together out of the hundreds of normal roles there are.

Occam’s Razor is the simplest answer is usually right and it’s much simpler to be informed and joking than unprompted guess my role

I feel it’s in bad taste to say Occam’s razor is with you when my entire argument is it is not

But at the same time I want to see if you’re town so going to be on your wagon. If CSF is town you die at some point
If it’s scum I might not poison you

Do you have a read on me?

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Jackson you are almost singularly focused on me. If you genuinely think that not having scumreads is scummy, what are your other reads?

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Jackson you are almost singularly focused on me. If you genuinely think that not having scumreads is scummy, what are your other reads?

I've stated my other reads, quite obviously prior to my push on you. Maybe read the game

I am reading the game.

What's your read on Toog? Greeting?

I honestly didn't know you were scumreading Math until your most recent posts.

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@CSF. These feel flimsy logic, especially your scumlean on Dwlee, which really wasn't explained or really to me feels very scum indicative, especially looking through Dwlee's ISO. I don't disagree with the logic behind your Greetings read (and I'm thinking is potentially less likely to be made up), though it is definitely underexplained and not looked into after that makes me a think it might have just been made up.

dwlee just hasn't been very liberal with reads aside from Toog. Scum tend to be less willing to give reads other than town. I'll be honest, I don't think this needs to be explained that much because there isn't a whole lot in the ISO there.

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VOTE: StrangeMatter

I feel like they have been projecting a scumread on me for several days now, but haven't voted me for reasons unknown and seems content to have other people vote/push for me. Their reasons for scumreading me didn't seem that solid either.

They are ostensibly pushing for a MegA wagon, who admittedly hasn't done anything today, but he also hasn't really pushed that wagon or talked about her lately. In essence, they seem have to stances, but their actions don't line up with said reads.

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Vote Count 2.4

Panda fact #19:Female pandas are not considered to be adults until they are at least five years old. For males, the age is seven years old.

[3]Cat Scratch Fever:

JacksonVirgo, Toogeloo, MathBlade

[2]Greeting:

Malakittens, Cat Scratch Fever

[2]MegAzumarill:

StrangeMatter, Vanderscamp

[1]Malakittens:

Greeting

[1]Dwlee99:

wavemode

[1]wavemode:

MegAzumarill

Not Voting (1):Dwlee99

With 11 alive, it's 6 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is Wednesday, March 17th at 5:30ish pm CST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-03-17 19:00:00)

Greeting has been stubbornly voting for Mala even though there's like no traction there. I think has a good point about MegA feeling very emotionally detached from the game though.

MegA's contributions have been underwhelming today compared to yesterday.

Mala I'm not interested in voting today.

dwlee I feel like still hasn't done much. I'm interested to see where they go with their vote.

wavemode's posting is very minimalist, but if I squint really hard, I can see some conviction behind their dwlee scumread that is possibly townie, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say is town.

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Considering CSF's jump onto me without even saying what reason I had or not really trying to solve alignment just accuse seems scummy, though I'm seriously starting to wonder it doesn't seem like many people are trying to either.

Your reason for scumreading me amounted to "I don't like your reasons for scumleans" although they're fairly well explained.

What about my posts didn't feel like they were trying to solve your alignment?

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Shouldnt matter what you think of me as ur killing me. Whats up with that

Because while I think you’re scum
I am also doing the thing you asked where I consider you not
And if you are scum I get spew
Win win

This feels like a bad reason to vote for me.

Do you think he's hardbussing here? Otherwise, why are you doing something that your scumread is asking you to?

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Alright I have a question while you're here, have you read into other slots other than Toogeloo and Mathblade? And if so, what's your opinion on them?

Also I really don't have much of a case on others at the moment, but I'm fairly confident is more likely to flip scum here.

Based on this post, you also see the same problem I did with Dwlee earlier (namely, they were too focused on only a couple of slots instead of reading the board, which generally isn't townie), so I'm not sure why you think my reasons for scumreading them were bad or "flimsy."

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I'd compromise on MegA if I have to, I guess, but I don't think they're actively scummy compared to Strange.

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@CSF

My problem with your reads were partially that they seemed flimsy (specifically the Dwlee one felt a very weak, less so on the Greeting but it didn't seem like you thought they could be misguided town is what I thought), but looking them over they were reads that seemed hastily and made up. Like at the time it doesn't make sense for Dwlee

to really on someone's scumleaning for having only one scumread at that point

. Especially when I noted they did in fact have reads.

What does this mean?

As for your jump onto me is my problem is when people just accuse is not really accusing someone because they're trying to solve, rather accusing to move everyone off, have easy content, and be able to scumread someone without a hitch. It comes off as scummy to me to not even try to prod around to understand why. At that specific time, I hadn't want to vote you outright mostly due to ending days early which have been a recurring issue with my experiences in Mini games.

At what point do you think you would've voted for me? You did wait until the day was almost over. If everyone did that, then we'd only have wagons at day end, which doesn't feel like a good reason.

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What about Strange, MegA? Could I entice you to vote there?

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Meg really isn't my first choice, but it doesn't really seem like an Strange elim can happen in the next 10 hours.

VOTE: Meg

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I didn't understand what you said in the bolded, because it was phrased poorly. but I think I see what you were trying to say.

And that wasn't just the only reason I was scumleaning him. it was just a general lack of town scumhunting energy in his ISO that played into it with the fact that he was tunneled just being an example of that.

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo

I get to channel my inner Not_Mafia.

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Why would you unvote? The only other viable option for today is to no lim, which is worse imo.

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Why would you unvote? The only other viable option for today is to no lim, which is worse imo.

Says the person who quick-hammered.

What does that have to do with anything?

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This game feels like a slog

they all hate this game :/

That definitely wasn't on you. I actually really liked the flavor.

GG all and thank you Nero for modding!

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Oh and as for not hammering CSF. I had actually forgotten all about it because I was chatting with my coworker way to fucking much that morning and then when I got home I continued to chat with my coworker on Snapchat and completely forgot about the game while eating an English muffin

I WAS LIKE OMG THE GAME AND IT WAS TOO LATE

Well it all worked out so English muffin MVP