I was looking for a game of ANY alignment where either furtive put ridiculous pressure on anyone like he did me here and a game where Porkens played similarly to this game and I couldn’t find either.
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Post #784 (isolation #201) » Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:38 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
Also Porkens, you didn’t answer my question. Who is furtive’s buddy?
I’m still thinking it’s you > furtive but I’m seriously pissed at him thinking he can intimidate me into anything. I don’t allow myself to be intimidated in games or irl.
I’m still thinking it’s you > furtive WHO’s The ARSONIST but I’m seriously pissed at him thinking he can intimidate me into anything. I don’t allow myself to be intimidated in games or irl.
Sorry I doubted you but I just don’t handle being threatened very well. I know “vanity wagon” means a one vote wagon, so I was more frustrated with you then anything. I probably would have eventually came around to voting Porkens eventually if you hadn’t done that.
Been playing bad on purpose to avoid getting doused
This is ironically probably true. Us and Vanders we’re probably doused on the exact nights Porkens claimed.
Idk, feels weird to give us that info for free
We’ll if Scrrdbear flip ends the game, it’s probably true but if not then probably not. Auro seemed pretty convinced it was him and the VCA doesn’t look great on him for any of the days.
I’m pretty sure that Porkens was telling the truth about me being doused. So if you protected me the right night, hopefully not. If he did it n1 or 2, Idk.
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Post #852 (isolation #210) » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:41 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
In post 851, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:I THINK ENCHANT IS ARSONIST AND WON'T HAMMER ME BECAUSE THEY KNOW I WASN'T A DOUSE TARGET
ALSO, FURTIVE MAY HAVE BEEN THE N1 TARGET BECAUSE THEY SCARED PORKENS
Can you explain this? We obviously have to lim someone today and the only player who is very likely not to have been a douse target is Ircher and I’ve pretty much completely removed him from my PoE.
So, I don’t know who else Enchant thinks we’d lim today if not you?
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Post #853 (isolation #211) » Sat Oct 22, 2022 3:46 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
I also don’t know how much being “scared” would really be a factor here. Last arsonist just sets everyone who they primed on fire, so that would most likely be anyone they viewed as not miselimable.
SCRRDBEAR is giving the impression of being completely clueless. Porkens was employing the same strategy and flipped Arsonist, so if they are both arsonists, it maked me wonder what their endgame strategy was as I doubt they expected to coast to victory this way.
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Post #858 (isolation #214) » Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:59 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
Just rechecked the votes and we need 4 and you and me are the only ones voting. Vanders hasn’t voted yet either, so two of Ircher, Vanderscamp, Enchant need to vote to have a hammer.
Arso was clearly worried that the confitown would figure it out. It’s not me and I don’t believe it’s Ircher. It’s between you and Vanders but I think it’s you, because I think Porkens distanced you.
Also you were the one wanted ff to claim on d1, so furtive dying points to you.
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Post #872 (isolation #218) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:49 am
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
Having ff claim on d1 is antitown af, because it gives arso a guaranteed unprotected douse. I also think arso would be extremely likely to bus here than try to switch the vote to Ircher.
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Post #873 (isolation #219) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:50 am
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
You have generally been pretty obvtown throughout the game, and I've talked a bit about Ircher above.
My main reasoning why it isn't enchant is that while I agree that the FF claiming stuff was anti-town, at least he was trying, which is more than Ircher has done.
I also agree with him that igniting last night was (sorry scum) absurdly poor play and I believe him when he talks about why he wouldn't have done it.
Actually good point, because if Ircher was town here, I would think arsonist would have targeted him.
The fact that no one other than furtive died probably means that furive made steller protects. I actually think ff trued to burn all of their douses but furive cleverly outsmarted them.
Do you think Don is more likely scum here than either me or Ircher?
How do you feel about Don's contributions throughout the rest of the game?
I don't know. I wanted to open today with plan "let's kill both vander and ircher and win lol".
Yeah, arso can't kill tomorrow, so go wild.
Let's pull everything we know.
There's only 2 ignited: Screrbear (BEAR in future) and furtive self.
It means that furtive did stop one prime somehow. We don't know for sure, but if we discover who he would protect and who arso primed, it will be easier to win.
N1 is unknown
N2 is unknown
N3 is obvious. They doused furtive who claimed. Considering Arso is notcompetent and wanted to get rid of FF ASAP, it means BEAR was doused before, not furtive. If furtive was doused beforehand, then why they didn't ignite instantly if this was goal?
N4 is ignite. Obvs.
On n1-2 they doused BEAR and some other person. I gonna bet that scum doused BEAR at N1, because he looked towny at that point and it's unlikely to quess prime at N1. It's possible but still.
TLDR:
So most likely, at N2, furtive protected someone and prevented them from going hot potato.
Who it would be?
Who would arsos prime N2 and furtive to protect N2?
Can you explain those reads? Why is Scrrrbear your most confident town and why do you sr Enchant and Vanders?
@Ircher, can you please answer this?
I don't really feel like explaining practically all my reads. I will oblige you if you narrow it down to a single read you're most interested in hearing about.
SCRRDBEAR is giving the impression of being completely clueless. Porkens was employing the same strategy and flipped Arsonist, so if they are both arsonists, it maked me wonder what their endgame strategy was as I doubt they expected to coast to victory this way.
You have generally been pretty obvtown throughout the game, and I've talked a bit about Ircher above.
My main reasoning why it isn't enchant is that while I agree that the FF claiming stuff was anti-town, at least he was trying, which is more than Ircher has done.
I also agree with him that igniting last night was (sorry scum) absurdly poor play and I believe him when he talks about why he wouldn't have done it.
Actually good point, because if Ircher was town here, I would think arsonist would have targeted him.
The fact that no one other than furtive died probably means that furive made steller protects. I actually think ff trued to burn all of their douses but furive cleverly outsmarted them.
You have generally been pretty obvtown throughout the game, and I've talked a bit about Ircher above.
My main reasoning why it isn't enchant is that while I agree that the FF claiming stuff was anti-town, at least he was trying, which is more than Ircher has done.
I also agree with him that igniting last night was (sorry scum) absurdly poor play and I believe him when he talks about why he wouldn't have done it.
Actually good point, because if Ircher was town here, I would think arsonist would have targeted him.
The fact that no one other than furtive died probably means that furive made steller protects. I actually think ff trued to burn all of their douses but furive cleverly outsmarted them.
I don’t believe arso only tried to burn furtive.
I'm sorry, but there's zero chance I get targetted by arsonist. I've been scum read by furtive, Vanders, and Porkens all game. That's enough incentive to keep me alive for the mislimming.
Both furtive and I took you out of our PoE, so why wouldn’t you be targeted?
In post 902, Ircher wrote:Anyway, Draper is always town here, and I'm town here.
It's probably Vanders tbh because if it were Enchant, arsonists would not have ignited
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Explain this.
I believe Enchant when Enchant says it would be a bad move. Since I also believe scum Enchant wouldn't carelessly throw the game, I can conclude that Enchant is not arsonist.
Vanders I feel would say they think it is a bad move and then do it anyway for the WIFOM.
Do you think Don is more likely scum here than either me or Ircher?
How do you feel about Don's contributions throughout the rest of the game?
I don't know. I wanted to open today with plan "let's kill both vander and ircher and win lol".
Yeah, arso can't kill tomorrow, so go wild.
Let's pull everything we know.
There's only 2 ignited: Screrbear (BEAR in future) and furtive self.
It means that furtive did stop one prime somehow. We don't know for sure, but if we discover who he would protect and who arso primed, it will be easier to win.
N1 is unknown
N2 is unknown
N3 is obvious. They doused furtive who claimed. Considering Arso is notcompetent and wanted to get rid of FF ASAP, it means BEAR was doused before, not furtive. If furtive was doused beforehand, then why they didn't ignite instantly if this was goal?
N4 is ignite. Obvs.
On n1-2 they doused BEAR and some other person. I gonna bet that scum doused BEAR at N1, because he looked towny at that point and it's unlikely to quess prime at N1. It's possible but still.
TLDR:
So most likely, at N2, furtive protected someone and prevented them from going hot potato.
Who it would be?
Who would arsos prime N2 and furtive to protect N2?
In post 891, Enchant wrote:... Eh. I can bet Don Draper was protected from death.
Ircher? lol, no.
Me? lol!
Vander? Did furtive even townread you? I don't remember.
Yeah, extremely likely furtive protected me on the correct night, whether it was one or two is anyone’s guess but possible because I think Porkens said I was N1 target, iirc.
In post 891, Enchant wrote:... Eh. I can bet Don Draper was protected from death.
Ircher? lol, no.
Me? lol!
Vander? Did furtive even townread you? I don't remember.
Pretty sure he did, he made a comment during the CC day where he omitted me from the list of Porkens' possible partners, which I thought was kind of strange at the time since I was arguing to not kill Porkens.
Not that it makes me think I was a lock to get saved or anything, but hopefully it helps prove that me igniting last night is not a thing. I already think it's pretty awful but it's not like I would have been afraid of either furtive or bears' reads.
And if it helps, I've played this set as scum before on a different site, I can link the scum chat if anyone wants.
Maybe you should? I think it’s probably Ircher because he was so sure Scrrdbear was FF but Idk.
In post 902, Ircher wrote:Anyway, Draper is always town here, and I'm town here.
It's probably Vanders tbh because if it were Enchant, arsonists would not have ignited
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Explain this.
I believe Enchant when Enchant says it would be a bad move. Since I also believe scum Enchant wouldn't carelessly throw the game, I can conclude that Enchant is not arsonist.
Vanders I feel would say they think it is a bad move and then do it anyway for the WIFOM.
Why?
I don’t understand this take because why would last arsonist throw the game? I don’t even believe that. I think arsonist made a hail Mary burn which flopped which is why we’re still here.
In post 891, Enchant wrote:... Eh. I can bet Don Draper was protected from death.
Ircher? lol, no.
Me? lol!
Vander? Did furtive even townread you? I don't remember.
Pretty sure he did, he made a comment during the CC day where he omitted me from the list of Porkens' possible partners, which I thought was kind of strange at the time since I was arguing to not kill Porkens.
Not that it makes me think I was a lock to get saved or anything, but hopefully it helps prove that me igniting last night is not a thing. I already think it's pretty awful but it's not like I would have been afraid of either furtive or bears' reads.
And if it helps, I've played this set as scum before on a different site, I can link the scum chat if anyone wants.
Maybe you should? I think it’s probably Ircher because he was so sure Scrrdbear was FF but Idk.
In case you can't read it, helpfully, the very first thing I said in the chat was this:
lendunistus Nov 24, 06:04 AM: Hello! You may chat with your teammate here.
lendunistus Nov 24, 06:04 AM: If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here or in your mod chat!
WerewolfHunter Nov 24, 09:46 AM: hello
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: Yay!
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: im excited
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: lets crush
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: Firstly it seems good to never use the ignite until the last moment
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:08 PM: And win there
In post 891, Enchant wrote:... Eh. I can bet Don Draper was protected from death.
Ircher? lol, no.
Me? lol!
Vander? Did furtive even townread you? I don't remember.
Pretty sure he did, he made a comment during the CC day where he omitted me from the list of Porkens' possible partners, which I thought was kind of strange at the time since I was arguing to not kill Porkens.
Not that it makes me think I was a lock to get saved or anything, but hopefully it helps prove that me igniting last night is not a thing. I already think it's pretty awful but it's not like I would have been afraid of either furtive or bears' reads.
And if it helps, I've played this set as scum before on a different site, I can link the scum chat if anyone wants.
Maybe you should? I think it’s probably Ircher because he was so sure Scrrdbear was FF but Idk.
In case you can't read it, helpfully, the very first thing I said in the chat was this:
lendunistus Nov 24, 06:04 AM: Hello! You may chat with your teammate here.
lendunistus Nov 24, 06:04 AM: If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here or in your mod chat!
WerewolfHunter Nov 24, 09:46 AM: hello
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: Yay!
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: im excited
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: lets crush
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:07 PM: Firstly it seems good to never use the ignite until the last moment
Vanderscamp Nov 24, 03:08 PM: And win there
Treestumps cannot be doused
and Treestumps cannot vote.
Mech was a bit different in that game.
Not really?
Why would you ever douse a treestump?
That would be dumb unless their reads were spot on I guess.
I should probably read some of your MS scumgames but Ircher saying you did it for WIFOM sounds whack to me. I maintain that if town, Ircher was a viable douse, so I think burn last night especially Sccrdbear looks bad for Ircher.
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Post #944 (isolation #248) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 1:58 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
In post 940, Vanderscamp wrote:FWIW I just had a thought, the fact that you yesterday said that you weren't considering Ircher as part of your POE makes me think that you weren't doused and Ircher wanted you alive in that final three, which makes me think I was probably the save.
This isn't a relevant argument from a current gamestate perspective, but if I'm right I want postgame cred for it.
Idk, it’s possible I guess? But I’m not miselimable but then he’s locktowned me, so maybe?
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Post #945 (isolation #249) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:00 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
In post 884, Vanderscamp wrote:Like, what has Ircher actually done that is town, except for presumably bussing Porkens?
I think both Don and Enchant have both clearly at least made an effort, and while I disagree with a lot of what they've had to say, they've at least showed reasonable thought processes and have given passion.
Ircher has not done anything resembling that for the entire game, and him refusing to talk about his reads or his progression of his reads is a massive massive red flag for me.
That was before both of you took Enchant out of consideration.
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Post #946 (isolation #250) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:04 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
I lean to it most likely being Ircher. However, why couldn’t Enchant have been doused? Pretty much everyone and their uncle - except Porkens and Bear were tr him.
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Post #947 (isolation #251) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 2:12 pm
Postby Don Draper x Mistress »
In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
I wonder if the bolded means anything? Could that possibly be a slip that I wasn’t doused? But then furtive for sure protected me and probably Enchant as well because both of us were his top two trs.
So yeah, there have been 3 nights of dousing so far and one night of ignition. Scrrdbear and furtive were two, so Idk why furtive would protect you over both me and Enchant?
Like I don’t see how that makes sense, Furtive either protected me or Enchant because we’re his top two townreads.
In post 461, Porkens wrote:Actually that’s wrong. I wouldn’t be happy to eliminate anyone. I have preferences of who I’d like to eliminate but they aren’t based on town/scum reads.
Like: Don Draper x Mistress (hydra of Nancy Drew 39 and Auro)
Love: Porkens
Wary: furtiveglance
Impatient: Herta
Enchanted: Vanderscamp
Wary: Ircher
Like: Titus
Wary: Enchant
Tempted: SCRRRDBEAR
I wonder if the bolded means anything? Could that possibly be a slip that I wasn’t doused? But then furtive for sure protected me and probably Enchant as well because both of us were his top two trs.
So yeah, there have been 3 nights of dousing so far and one night of ignition. Scrrdbear and furtive were two, so Idk why furtive would protect you over both me and Enchant?
Like I don’t see how that makes sense, Furtive either protected me or Enchant because we’re his top two townreads.
I don't remember him having enchant as one of his two top town reads (I'm assuming you're talking about early game?) but that could definitely be the case if you're right
Says the player voteparked on a vanity wagon that no one but you is currently interested in flipping. I still don’t see the so-called “tmi” that Titus was alluding to. I just thought having us, furtive and Enchant as possible Ircher buddies seemed kind’ve whack because neither are anywhere near my PoE.
I will take another look at Scerrredbear and confer with Auro but I’m still not trusting Titus. She just sounds too certain about things and she usually doesn’t d1 without flips. @furtive, you remember how she seemed to not be extremely certain on pretty much anything in Chromavalon d1?
Says the player voteparked on a vanity wagon that no one but you is currently interested in flipping. I still don’t see the so-called “tmi” that Titus was alluding to. I just thought having us, furtive and Enchant as possible Ircher buddies seemed kind’ve whack because neither are anywhere near my PoE.
I will take another look at Scerrredbear and confer with Auro but I’m still not trusting Titus. She just sounds too certain about things and she usually doesn’t d1 without flips. @furtive, you remember how she seemed to not be extremely certain on pretty much anything in Chromavalon d1?
~Nancy
I look back and see a more considered Titus, but I wouldn't characterise her as unsure. As for the change in tone, Chromavalon is a kind of setup where you want to be more considered as town. Also, they seem angry in this game for some reason. I don't really like it. But I don't know why someone would blow up early game as mafia, in a 2 mafia game.
My follow up was here. Basically I'm not sure on Titus. They aren't really towny, but not the most sus either.
As for townreads, I'd go for Don Draper x Mistress and Scrrdbear, maybe you. Enchant is doing a bit more nothing than before. Which can be sus.
In post 48, Ircher wrote:Well Draper is making this big fuss and all, so.......
In post 50, Ircher wrote:It's not, but it's also early. There is merit in looking elsewhere.
Why are you still voting us then?
I didn't want to kill wagon momentum. It was more of a "if you rather" kind of thing. I could move now, but I don't really have a place to go with it, so....
In post 153, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:I thought both reactions looked scummy to me: Titus voting me for not doing enough by page freaking 2 and Ircher for apparently no reason whatsoever, advocating wagoning us and I still think this. I no longer think they look aligned like I’ve said recently.
Look, it was early game. I advocated for wagoning you all because I was already voting there. If I started the game voting Titus instead for instance, I would've advocated there instead.
Didn't read too much today as I had a long work day; I just searched for my username to see if anything pressing came up.
In post 291, Ircher wrote:Posts 64 and 111. While I don't necessarily disagree with the argument, I do believe that Titus's conviction is too strong especially given how often Titus has played with you.
