Open 872 | Citadel Conflict | Postgame

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I was thinking I should prolly be palace but eh maybe not.

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But really I don't think I care. I had thought about claiming off the bat like Drew did but then thought that might not be a good idea because we're trying to consolidate the scum into one group and I think it's probably harder when someone jumps in like that.

As it stands I'm going to be suspicious of whoever joins the dungeon next and of drew.

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I think I'd rather focus on the order of who states their preference/joins for any dungeon rather than looking at the intent of the dungeon itself. If we don't group all 3 scum, the goal never changes since the scum will make every group 2:1 anyway.

That's the problem with Drew jumping in. It's too easy now for mafia to just declare dungeon, and boom it's over.

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For those casting suspicion, I need to hear why what

Drew

did was scummy as opposed to a playstyle difference.

Drew isn't scummy per se. It's the second joiner who I would be most suspicious of. I had a bit of a different thought about Drew last night but I don't think it's valid after thinking about it.

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You can list me as No. 2, Taly.

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Supposing Drew is Scum, it's beneficial because now scum can avoid auto-loss by having either of the other two join another location.

This was it.

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Herta
, why do you want to be number 2? And you don't contest to me being number 1?

For whatever reason I thought we were popcorning. I don't really care where I fit in I don't think. I do wonder why you want to be first though.

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Taly may be a hot mess, but the mess is the most colorful mess you've ever seen.

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If you would make a situation where scum don't have agency, what are you reading them from?

Thinking about this I think I want scum to be accountable, so I'm not sure who I'm agreeing with, Meg or Rad Rat/Elements.

That being said I'm not sure what that means for this game.

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Why don't you care where you fit?

That goes for after Day 1 ofc assuming we can't group the scums. Day 2+ it's just mafia, and I don't see the advantage of being in one group or another.

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[Herta]

I think I'd rather focus on the order of who states their preference/joins for any dungeon rather than looking at the intent of the dungeon itself. If we don't group all 3 scum, the goal never changes since the scum will make every group 2:1 anyway.

That's the problem with Drew jumping in. It's too easy now for mafia to just declare dungeon, and boom it's over.

Could you explain this a little further? I'm not quite getting what you mean here.

Town wins if all three scum are grouped into the same box. With someone (Drew) declaring a box, that leaves two spots in that box of course.

If Drew is Town, scum just needs one scum to declare the same box as Drew and there's no way we can group the scum together and hit the grand slam.

If Drew is scum, scum just needs to avoid placing another one of themselves into that box.

Either way scum has the advantage as far as the grand slam wincon goes. (grouping the 3 mafs in the same box)

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Those eyes.

I guess if Drew's town and you're town that would increase the chances of grouping scum.

But if one of you isn't town then that wincon is forfeited.

Are you that confident that Drew and I are town? Willing to take that leap?

I don't know that I am.

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Like I said it doesn't matter to me.

But if you think we're grouping scum with me in it, it's wrong.

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I dunno. I'm just not convinced that Rad Rat is town, so I'm not getting this UTR with him.

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I need to do that.

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I feel most confident that scum lay in here:

Elements
Bellaphant
Nona1510
Farren

These players are more nullish for me:

Doctor Drew
Taly
Radical Rat
MegAzumarill

I guess if I have a town read it's leaning toward Drew, despite the early jump-in. I like his posting around that. And I like his posting this page.

[Herta]

*blows raspberry at

herta

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***smooch***

[Herta]

I hear people talk about someone else chaining mislims or setting up mislims, but I don't think I've ever actually seen it. Can you point me to an example?

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I don't understand the talk about autowin from you, Nona.

It also doesn't seem that you understand that if all three of you are town, one of you is not going to be in the Palace tomorrow.

I'm okay with Taly and Meg joining the Palace. Probably the easiest solve the way it looks.

I'm also good with Drew/Herta/Bella in the Dungeon.

With Rad Rat in the Dungeon ( I wish everyone could've held on for a bit longer before committing bc I think the best odds on autowin assuming town!nona would've been elements/farren/bella).

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I mean the way I'm looking at the Dungeon if it's Drew/Herta/Bella, that's a simple solve too.

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I guess that leaves Rad Rat/Farren/Elements in the Court.

I don't see that surviving. I'd bet anything on a swap between Court and Palace.

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I mean the way I'm looking at the Dungeon if it's Drew/Herta/Bella, that's a simple solve too.

How so?

Bella is scum.

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Really?

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That's a scumclaim.

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intent to join Dungeon

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Apparently no one is going to comment other than nona so

VOTE: Dungeon

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So two of elements, rad rat, meg are scum.

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I meant can we read anything into the swaps.

I'm trying to think of an alternative but coming up short.

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That makes sense for scum!farren to jump into the Dungeon without a word if there were two scum already in Court.

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The setup is that we as town just have to control 2/3 locations, correct?

Right.

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Isn't elements lock scum now? Or am I missing something?

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I mean why swap town for town?

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During Night 1
, the Insurrectionists
must switch the locations of 2 cadets such that each location contains exactly one Insurrectionist
as well as choosing one cadet at the Court
to be confirmed as a Devotee
.

I guess maybe they were permitted to switch town for town for wifom.

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I want to hear from farren why he is town or why drew is scum

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So two of elements, rad rat, meg are scum.

Actually I got this wrong I think.

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The original palace was either two scum or the original court was two scum.

If the original court was two scum then both rad rat and elements were scum. Elements swapping out would be the scum in that case.

If the original palace was two scum then two of nona, taly, meg were scum. Meg swapping out would be the scum in that case.

Is that correct?

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The only thing that's completely off the table is a Town/Town swap, because Meg is mechanically confirmed to be scum.

Not in an objective sense to anyone but you if you're town.

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The original palace was either two scum or the original court was two scum.

If the original court was two scum then both rad rat and elements were scum. Elements swapping out would be the scum in that case.

If the original palace was two scum then two of nona, taly, meg were scum. Meg swapping out would be the scum in that case.

Is that correct?

You're still assuming two scum were somewhere, which we don't actually know. If they already had one scum in each location, they could have just swapped between two scum members, in which case they'd probably be hoping to push exactly this idea that one of the swap has to be Town.

That's what I was getting out. I wasn't taking into account a scum for scum swap. I hadn't considered it. So that helps.

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Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

[Herta]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

[Herta]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

Not really conclusive but
There's one scum in
(Radical Rat, MegAzumarill)
(Herta, Farren, Doctor Drew)
(Taly, Elements, Nona)

And any combination between them is possible.

I understand the conclusion. That's the setup.

I don't understand this:

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

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After majority is reached in a activity, that activity is immediately resolved, and all cadets involved are flipped.

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Nona would vote for me or be hard pressed to be convinced otherwise, and mafia would likely win palace.

Do you mean Nona would vote for Herta/Drew?

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Also the IC in that scenario may be different right.

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I see. I missed that you were scum in that scenario.

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lol Taly cryin rainbow tears :+)

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I wanted to see element's reaction before i said anything but i also was taken by meg's lack of surprise.

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I don't think you should vote anyone but yourself, taly. Ine of ghe other two should be voting you.

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They can no longer post unless they're the IC.

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And why don't we just vote someone in one of the group so we can get 3 flips?

What's this?

Taly did self vote.

[Herta]

I think solving

Palace
Dungeon
Court

sounds right.

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I think solving

Palace
Dungeon
Court

sounds right.

I prefer dungeon, court, palace. I think the court solve is the most important one and the most difficult one of the three because my current solve is Elements/Farren/Meg?

And I want a say in that, sorry Taly, you’re just going to have to have patience.

I know I won't change your mind, but I want to be on record.

The reason for this is because on the face of it Court will be the most difficult group to solve. If we knock out the other two first, and they're both town wins, Court gets endgamed and Bella doesn't need to make that decision.

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It should go by orders of confidence.

The group we are most confident in a correct resolution resolves first, the remaining players gain more mod-confirmed info (alignments of resolved players) and then the next most confident resolves.

What is your order?

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In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

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Here we go again.

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I was probably wrong about Drew scum based on Meg's IC comment on Herta.

It could still feasibly be Farren and Meg's bussing, but bussing is probably a bad plan here? Especially if Taly is legitimately Town here, Meg would know Palace was already lost, so bussing another area would need to be some galaxy brain WIFOM shit.

I'm not trying to flip Drew anymore. I already said that I was wrong, see above.
I townread Farren precisely because bussing doesn't make sense.
Herta makes the most sense to be aligned with Meg, that's who I want to see voted in Dungeon

If I were scum I'd just hammer at this point.

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Ahh gotcha.

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I want to hear from farren first.

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VOTE: farren

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I don't think he's coming back.

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Nice game.

Thanks, RH.

Well done, team.