Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[Ydrasse]

yayyyyy

[Ydrasse]

i am above such petty early wagons

[Ydrasse]

post post post post post

[Ydrasse]

grrrrr

[Ydrasse]

Snarls a bit

[Ydrasse]

(yes)

[Ydrasse]

i am above such petty early wagons

YEET ALL LIARS VOTE: Ydrasse

[Ydrasse]

i just excited to post

[Ydrasse]

Worm

[Ydrasse]

i am so bored

[Ydrasse]

Cakez that was an awful post..!!!

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: kilga

[Ydrasse]

that feels like fake anxiety to me

[Ydrasse]

i have to make my stand but here is my second spiritual vote

[Ydrasse]

o:

[Ydrasse]

i have to make my stand but here is my second spiritual vote

On who?

the sir

[Ydrasse]

dunn i am pinching your cheeks right now do you really think i am putting up a front

[Ydrasse]

dunn i am pinching your cheeks right now do you really think i am putting up a front

I don't like your posting from 6 to 29 because it feels like you are trying to appear sociable which I associate with your scum game

I agree with your posts 35 and 36 in that the hesitation Kilga was showing seemed like an over-explanation after the fact, possibly in an attempt to show a thought process

:> i can be sociable as town sometimes too but

Spoiler:

to the detriment of future scum games i’ll tell you that it’s a crutch that goes on a lot longer than the pockets of ooc chat i tend to go for as town because i have things to do when i’m town beyond surviving. it’s not a front though, i had spent like 15 minutes refreshing mafiascum cause i was excited to play lol

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

not terribly i think, i feel like i usually distinguish myself as town after i solve some or if you can see if i have some weird positioning or planning. but i just get -_- despite this because i feel like it’s nai to me when i get excited at a game starting

[Ydrasse]

me

[Ydrasse]

new alt unlocked

[Ydrasse]

i mean did you really have a choice if it would be difficult or not for you if you show up and people are already wagoning you and expecting something of you

i feel like if you're town this isn't doing you any favors because you're choosing to act with silly and goofy behavior and while im like. i get it. i think it impedes everyone's ability to read you as genuine.
also i don't think it's difficult to call someone scum in the manor youre doing it? even if they're not the main person being scumread by others.

[Ydrasse]

Uh oh it's bedpost (lol get it) time

UNVOTE: Wavelength

Don't feel remotely comfortable leaving that there. The actual verbal posting comes across very much like a townie that feels they're on to something.

VOTE: Ydrasse

Looking back on it now, post 134's content and timing doesn't square at all with what appears to be a serious vote for me in 35. There was more to talk about regarding me by the time 134 rolled around - why not spend any time chiming in on it when you're already voting me?

i barely paid attention to this game so far and the cakez thing was the most recent posting

[Ydrasse]

also very tickled by wave vibing with me for no reason
the classic move

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

i read
wolves are in cakez/syr/kilga

feel as if syr is trying to walk a fine line between the two and kind of walk people through the game holding hands
while being like well this could come from x town right (said abt cakez)
cakez is just not posting well which is lazy exposition but 133 doesn’t feel like townie mentality
kilga is getting lost in the weeds and at times i feel confused by his posts but i think some of that is on my comprehension so i’d probably vote there last of the three

everyone else shades of towniness
don’t feel strongly about most townreads, feel as if dunn is doing town dunn things and wavelength feels like a self absorbed townie whose interest goes so far as things that directly include them

[Ydrasse]

the classic claim post......

[Ydrasse]

who is treating it like a meme push/how?

pedit mm

[Ydrasse]

i feel bad because i was at work and i thought cakez's posting was towny but i didn't bother posting it at the time and maybe i could have like helped him somehow. sorry dude

[Ydrasse]

wagon is interesting
kill on it

[Ydrasse]

wavelength kill kind of feels like "hide the evidence" Kind of kill

[Ydrasse]

also inclined to think possible scum in notsci/dunn for being the like ones to push the wagon over

still inclined to vote kilga

[Ydrasse]

i think that people thought wavelength was towny but i don't really know what wavelength did to be The Kill in this playerlist beyond that, i feel with less experience w people here it may not offer as much flip-spew

[Ydrasse]

oh yeah

[Ydrasse]

heehee

[Ydrasse]

so do u think im partnered with syr : ?

i feel as if ive expressed more of a wolfread on u/through my actions this game than syr so this should not be a surprise but youre leaving the implication vague.
i also dont really know what about my lack of posting abt you two does to undermine my previously given reads
youve done nothing to change it nor warrant avoiding a vote

[Ydrasse]

so do u think im partnered with syr : ?

i feel as if ive expressed more of a wolfread on u/through my actions this game than syr so this should not be a surprise but youre leaving the implication vague.
i also dont really know what about my lack of posting abt you two does to undermine my previously given reads
youve done nothing to change it nor warrant avoiding a vote

Basically, between the stuff I mentioned yesterday and what I quoted there, I don't think you're paying attention to your own stated suspicions. Like, yes, you've been Unpleased with me for most of the game, but you went from a statement of "i’d probably vote (kilga) last of (cakez, syr, kilga)" to restating a desire to vote for me without any mention of what happened to your Syr read in the meantime.

I do think you and Syr is certainly possible as the solution given the above and a general feeling from how I think the Mafia team would have approached the Cakez situation post-claim, but I'm not yet as sold on Syr as I am on you.

do you think me not paying attention is a wolfy trait
like do you think im just being careless with my play

my reasons to wolfread you were the ones i remembered more because i voted you most of yesterday, syr is still there and also on the wagon so like points there but me wanting to kill you is just falling back on where i voted all d1

this is the kind of response though that makes me feel like you and syr could be together though because youre like well IM NOT THERE YET on syr but more there on me and its like, micro game, push out townie and then fight for one more elim while keeping syr just out of danger

[Ydrasse]

do you think me not paying attention is a wolfy trait
like do you think im just being careless with my play

I think that townies, by virtue of being genuine in their wolfhunting, will actually have the opinions that they claim to have and believe the things they say and be consistent about it as a result, where wolves, by virtue of not being genuine in their wolfhunting, will be far more prone to either forgetting the things they said previously or simply not caring about being consistent as long as they can say whatever they need to in order to survive.

my reasons to wolfread you were the ones i remembered more because i voted you most of yesterday, syr is still there and also on the wagon so like points there but me wanting to kill you is just falling back on where i voted all d1

You apparently felt unconfident enough in your vote to remove it in 187, though, which makes sense in the context of the immediate followup where you put me behind Cakez and Syr but

doesn't

make sense now in that you're "still inclined to vote" me but have nothing to say about Syr (or even me, beyond the statement that you're still inclined to vote for me). Under the assumption that your wolfhunting is genuine, either Syr is equal to or ahead of me on your list and you're pursuing your tied-for-first/second target while not doing anything to pursue your tied-for-first/outright first, or I'm ahead of Syr and the ordering in 188 is a lie, making the unvote in 187 extra strange. Neither of these seem likely at all, which means the only conclusion I can reach is that the assumption that your wolfhunting is genuine must be faulty, at which point we go back to my previous paragraph.

i'm not gonna lie the way these posts are written make my eyes glaze over a little bit so i don't know if i'm understanding your point in full but i think that your methodology is flawed given that i could just reference my posts if i actually cared about them being perfectly consistent and presenting that to everyone

like i just dont care that much about distinguishing equal than or greater two reads in this game lol

if youre town and want to understand me better i genuinely dont think approaching it like this to understand my thoughts is going to work because there's too much ... tangling in your post or explanation

as it is i think that this isn't an interesting way to solve and i feel like there is some content you could probably divine but haven't really done so &_&
i want to vote you but i'm hesitant because i am stupid and dont get what youre doing

[Ydrasse]

Dude I’m just having trouble parsing kilga

Like his push on ydra for inconsistency in a fourteen page game??

But I also realize I’m not the reigning authority when it comes to ydra as I’ve already kinda mentioned. But I am on the town side of the spectrum, it’s just with these little voices on my shoulders saying “why are you seeing it here and not there”

My problem with Ydra is that according to her she was very excited to play the game in RVS then just dropped off the face of the earth. Inconsistency is one thing but she starts off after with srsKilgaVote, then says spiritually she thinks Cakez is scum too, then pops me into the mix because I'm "holding hands with people", whatever that means. There's no thought behind her play, no reevaluation after being wrong on Cakez. Hell, if I had a dayvig shot I'd have dayvigged Kilga yesterday and even

I'm

reevaluating. She accused Kilga of lining up miselims, but I think it looks more like that's what she's doing than Kilga.

i got swept up into finishing off the pyp that ended so all of my attention gamewise went there
coming back to this it doesnt seem like anyone really cares which makes it harder to care too

i also dont really think that i am lining anything up given that ive made one vote and even then im kind of hemming and hawing
like who is my partner i guess follows this logic or what am i waiting for
do you think im just letting apathy sweep through this

[Ydrasse]

yes i beetlejuice
people actually posting is tempting

[Ydrasse]

are you calling having a poe lining up elims lol

[Ydrasse]

like uhhh
i feel like if you feel im doing that
its probably important to actually care about who my partner is rather than pointing a finger like "oh look what she's doing"
because then it's like ... idk it feels like you're accusing me of what you want to do (kill me and then push someone else)

[Ydrasse]

um
standing emoji

[Ydrasse]

i
am not going to vote currently

pedit its okay i just dont know how to respond to this atm
maybe step away for a bit and come back?

[Ydrasse]

so uh
hi everyone

[Ydrasse]

At the risk of seeming cold and uncaring, I'm taking the last page and a half as NAI for everyone involved. The claim is noted, but that's it. Any further commentary seems beyond the scope of the game and better suited for postgame, where everyone can trust that everyone else is coming from an honest, well-wishing place.

Ydra: I can ask a few questions, then, if it'll help you sort out where I'm coming from.

- Can you explain the evolution of your stance on Syr? He went from a Top 2 suspicion in 188 to not being mentioned at all in 307 to being a proposed wolf buddy with me in 325. Why did these changes happen?
- Can you explain your current desire to vote for me? Is it still only Early Day 1 stuff? If not, how has it evolved?
- Can you explain where you stand on !science and Dunnstral at the moment? You seemed interested in pursuing one or both of them in 307 but either of them being a wolf is logically incongruous with the idea of a Kilga/Syr wolf team unless the roles are so madness that we're in 4T/3W today

and

a misyeet is somehow not the end of the game.

i checked out of the game again but i’ll reply to these tonight. i forgot that you asked me

[Ydrasse]

im going to be real with you
im playing this game entirely off of vibes and i dont think that theres going to be as much logic as you want to hear
for example my gut is saying "wow this is weird questioning" if only because it seems like the last point in the series of questions is missing the idea that i could not be married to the kilga/syr read and it's a bit ! that you're attached to it and went down like... a setup extreme instead of just wondering if any of the people i have expressed any curiosity in could be interchangeable
it's mostly just how you feel and i know that you are wrong on me and like are townreading/fine with a lot of other people so you have an incredibly small pool you're actually interested in but i don't think ? that really reflects in your posting

[Ydrasse]

kilga why didn’t you say anything about the bottom half of that post

[Ydrasse]

420
the one he quoted of me

it wasn’t the most organized but i posted a qualm i had with his play and he just ignored it for like . reducing it down to “could be a wolf hand waving though”

[Ydrasse]

kilga why didn’t you say anything about the bottom half of that post

My apologies, I read it in a half-asleep daze in bed on my phone and by the time I got to my computer to post I misremembered that the whole thing wasn't just the first half.

That being said, I'm having a hard time reconciling the rest of your post as a town response to 407. I will grant that you claim to think my questioning is weird, particularly the overexplanation of the third question; I will simply beg forgiveness for all overexplanations going forward, I'm a bit gunshy about underexplanations after Day 1. But the rest of your post

- Doesn't explain the evolution of your stance on Syr, which could have been done independent of your read on me, since I imagine other players would appreciate seeing your stances and their justifications
- Doesn't cite anything about my behavior before 407 that explains your suspicion of me prior to 407, which is really what I was looking for there, because I wanted to know if you were still hanging onto the Early Day 1 stuff or if you had seen more suspicious content from me in the time since
- Doesn't comment on !science or Dunnstral, which could have been done independent of your read on me, since I imagine other players would appreciate seeing your stances and their justifications

Like, I genuinely don't understand how someone that's been honest in their wolfhunting doesn't have answers for those, particularly this far into Day 2. Even gut feelings come from somewhere, whether they're a gradual buildup or a sudden jolt.* What do you think about...I don't know, anything in this game other than 407?

*Maybe catboi or LLD could square this with their better-than-Kilga (former)/town (latter) reads for me?

Aside something of an aside, I object to the claim that I am "townreading/fine with a lot of other people so you have an incredibly small pool you're actually interested in". I feel pretty good about 3 people and feel varying degrees of not pretty good about 3 people. I'll grant that others may think that not being interested in voting for half of the playerlist is "a lot" but it certainly doesn't feel weird to me. Not to mention that I plan on checking everyone for associatives anyway if/when there's a red flip.

i think im used to a different pace of play but i think saying stuff like "this far into day 2" etc, having expectations of me based on that, is very silly when this game is very slow and we've made like little to no progress today in terms of solving, yes i am part of the problem because im not posting that much but saying that is like. i feel this might be something you would say in another game that had more activity and everyone would find it not that strange but here idk!!!
gut feelings come from somewhere but that doesnt mean they magically get explanations either nor am i at this point really interested in trying to divine what i was seeing and feeling

right now i think this game is slow and there are people townreading me correctly that im curious about because the reads are based on familiarity but i wanna trust them for today bcause theyre right and like, yes yes can push me can maybe pocket if they wanted to but ehhh? bridge to cross... later i guess. i have four people i wanna kill and none of them are offering up a lot to really sift themselves out from the rest. maybe i havent paid attention enough though

i dont think i have the will to actually push strongly one way or another. this feels like this game is going to be a wolf sweep because most people are going zzzz sleepy i post once every two days and no one's doing anything but i get it. this game is a nursing home for mafia players

actually typing this i opened up notsci's iso and i would kill him i think he's not doing anything at all and takes no real stances. the like "kill cakez kill cakez" stuff just seems like a pretty easily faked tunnel into a bad vote. i disliked dunnstral's vote on that wagon too and usually i think that setting someone up to hammer is worse than the hammerer because of the scrutiny but not here


like typing this i got some jolt of inspiration to care but his language seems reserved, i nitpicked this i think in a recent game but it seems worse here looking at posts like 126 which is all about the boring and uninspiring and limp which seems a little reticent to call someone actively wolfy.

my funny team guess is now syr/notsci because i think it would be "bussing for no reason" in current state with the day one loser banter being a little cherry on top

typing that makes me feel less confident about this vote. but i am starved to do something now VOTE: notsci

[Ydrasse]

I go back to bed now

[Ydrasse]

i don’t think i’ve actually like really refused
you just don’t like the answers that you’re getting (vibes gut etc) i feel like and then you’re calling them wolfy because they’re not like… traditional or what you’re expecting which to me feels like on the one hand understandable if you want something you can get but in the other hand, my pov is that this could be an easy push to make that you’re getting mad about because you can’t make it with people defending me for reasons that are pretty wispy

i don’t have a strong process this game but i’m voting someone i feel could be a wolf atm. i’m not trying to disrespect you as a player but i literally don’t have the answers you want in like an essay format and you’re gonna have to accept that if you’re town. i’m not sure that you are but i recognize if you are this game probably fucking sucks to try and play so like. sorry but idk

[Ydrasse]

i reply tonight

[Ydrasse]

oh actually i can do that post now
i was also not a fan for a while of that post you made where you expanded on your reads and i couldn’t really pinpoint why beyond a weird feeling so i didn’t bring it up, but eventually i cooled off on it because i’t didn’t seem so bad after a few days
without it it’s kind of just a vote i’m disliking because i’m pretty shrug otherwise atm and there are other things i wanted to go after more

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

well fmpov catboi is correct and kilga seems like nonsensically tunneled on me and refuses to like… believe in a world where i just don’t play like his assumptions of how town should play. this is minimizing all the other words but i feel like it’s basically “gut not good enough. die.”

however i am a wittle scared of pockets. just a bit.

[Ydrasse]

like i guess it’s the sort of push i can see town making because it’s taking literally every single thing i do and making it wolfy which i feel like i’ve done as town when i was convinced of something

[Ydrasse]

Does it mean I’m pocketed if I townread 540

no (:

[Ydrasse]

me last vote notscience

[Ydrasse]

idk if anyone else have anything to say though the syr vote is : ?

[Ydrasse]

by that i mean it feels so out of left field im having trouble seeing it as anything more than just antispew ? vague reasoning and kilga not dead yet so have time to elaborate

[Ydrasse]

this game is a pit of hell from which we cannot escape

[Ydrasse]

i was being positiv by being FUNNY and making a joke
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[Ydrasse]

well hmph