Mini 2292: Anything uPick - Game Over!

[Alisae]

Anyway I can’t make out who your partner is LLD.
That’s a big question mark for me.
I can make out a sas partner though

[Alisae]

If it is sas he’s probably just aligned with pb

[Alisae]

If it is sas he’s probably just aligned with pb

so what that would be is

PB isn't a real SK, just a mafia with a janitor kill.

and last night SAS kills instead to keep PB's cover?

Pp sorry
I’m tired and I have dysgraphia

[Alisae]

I only got like a few hours of sleep

[Alisae]

Ya let’s wait

[Alisae]

Man playing against wolf LLD is so stressful cuz literally whenever I’m a villager i find myself in situations where I just want to hand the game to her on a sliver platter and want to trust her, and it’s not like she’s going to make it easy for me to kill her if she’s a wolf.

Like this why I imagine LLD would want to have me succ is because LLD can’t predict if I’ll wolfside or if I’ll just go along with what she wants me to do but still then why not succ wave?
Like if LLD is a wolf here, she did the steps necessary to come in and set up he worldview today

Anyway ya let’s wait, this is where I’m leaning now but I wonder if I’ll still feel this way later.

[Alisae]

Her worldview

[Alisae]

Honestly that post is more for myself but to just put my thoughts on paper.
I also want sas to post

[Alisae]

I’m just gonna see if I can fall back asleep.

[Alisae]

Hug

[Alisae]

I think scum not having a redirect anymore answers some of the questions you are asking Ali.

You told Kuribo to protect me.

Then if PB just no acted, all of the night actions make sense to me

This is true, a redirect is something that probably should be gated in a game where mostly everyone else is gated

[Alisae]

Redirecting flea to you seems so bad though

[Alisae]

That doesn’t seem worth a redirect shot

[Alisae]

I need to stop staring at a screen

[Alisae]

Ig LLD wouldn’t make a blunder like redirecting flea’s mask if she was a wolf and the redirect was gated

[Alisae]

Redirecting flea to you seems so bad though

Oh yeah... that one made sense when I was thinking deflector/busdriver > redirector, but we kind of discounted that possibility

Role madness is a pain, and this game makes me think that simpler set ups are more my jam :/

Wiat ur not an alt?

[Alisae]

Anyway I wanna see if claw resolves.

[Alisae]

I can’t fall asleep maybe I’ll just be apart of the world of the living…

[Alisae]

So what you're saying is if we elim wolves today the game is over

If PP is scum, yes, it should be!

If PP is scum, yes, it should be!

Got corrected about this: if I got the last scum in my neighbor, they could technically win if I get killed or if I release them

PB,If the game does not end when there are no scum in the main thread, and you are town, how do we ever win this game if you have scum in your hood?

Should I let pb chime in then answer?

[Alisae]

Pb u’ll be a good dad

[Alisae]

hey ali, now that it's proven that PB's role does ACTUALLY put people in the shadow realm and not kill them, where are we standing

Claw adds more info for sure but, just wanna see what you're thinking now

and then when you finish that, go the fuck to sleep <3

I tr both flea and wave.
Wave could be a wolf but if he is, I would say he deserves to win.

It’s pretty hard to imagine pb as groupscum

Which literally does just leave me, you, and sas

I think your only partner is pp. u killing ur only witness to make this play makes sense? With how soon yesterday ended it’s really hard to tell if something like this would have happened yesterday.
Gun to head I want to say that if pp was a wolf with sas, he would want to leave the status of this pt up in the air rather than have it be confirmed
But this is weird because I want to tr PP.
So like who the fuck is sas’ partner because like if one of you two is a wolf it’s always him and I don’t even want to fos him.
Like from your perspective it would make sense for you to say it’s me but like I’m a villager so if it’s sas what is going on?

I don’t know and I want to check in with flea. Maybe fae will say something that makes sense.

[Alisae]

If LLD partner is literally pp all 3 groupwolves were in a pt with 1 town Kuribo btw

[Alisae]

That sounds literally insane to me

[Alisae]

If LLD partner is literally pp all 3 groupwolves were in a pt with 1 town Kuribo btw

that's legitimately not possible.

you literally have to be able to rule that out

can u tell me why?
I think the idea of that is crazy

[Alisae]

like its just LLD

i dunno if PP is her partner because PP literally isnt playing so shrug im not going to figure that out.

he didnt do anything that townie when he was alive

Probably not from ur perspective
But the thing is right when pp is town it’s a lot more easier for him to just post in thread just to say what he thinks

[Alisae]

If LLD partner is literally pp all 3 groupwolves were in a pt with 1 town Kuribo btw

that's legitimately not possible.

you literally have to be able to rule that out

Dragons was also in there for what it's worth.

Given the flavor of the hood, I don't think it is impossible in a "the mod would not do this" kind of way.

But it would mean that when alignments were randomed, it landed on 3 out of 5 animal based picks as scum -- which feels so incredibly unlikely.

right dragons ya that makes like more sense but that’s also just super wild that’s the case
Like I agree with you but that’s like
A lot of power
Ontop of having a full rb with a 1-shot janitor and a redirector

[Alisae]

Like that is a insane amount of power for wolves

[Alisae]

I hate hoods bro

[Alisae]

Hoods like the animal farm only exist to torture players

[Alisae]

If LLD partner is literally pp all 3 groupwolves were in a pt with 1 town Kuribo btw

that's legitimately not possible.

you literally have to be able to rule that out

Dragons was also in there for what it's worth.

Given the flavor of the hood, I don't think it is impossible in a "the mod would not do this" kind of way.

But it would mean that when alignments were randomed, it landed on 3 out of 5 animal based picks as scum -- which feels so incredibly unlikely.

right dragons ya that makes like more sense but that’s also just super wild that’s the case
Like I agree with you but that’s like
A lot of power
Ontop of having a full rb with a 1-shot janitor and a redirector

if you're town, you're starting to see it.

SAS has to be scum here.

His entry today, his posting yesterday, Kuribo's death, my Proving PB with PP, me having ZERO good partners this game

IT DOESN'T ADD UP.

how would u expect town to enter?

[Alisae]

LLD if u answered why it’s impossible for 3 animals to be in a hood with 2 town I missed it

[Alisae]

3 wolf animals*

[Alisae]

LLD if u answered why it’s impossible for 3 animals to be in a hood with 2 town I missed it

Mechanics, Ali.

There's never 3 scum in a hood.

still in realm of possibility, but it’s just not likely.

[Alisae]

LLD if u answered why it’s impossible for 3 animals to be in a hood with 2 town I missed it

Mechanics, Ali.

There's never 3 scum in a hood.

still in realm of possibility, but it’s just not likely.

Ali.

It's bad faith to try and argue this. Scum outnumbering town in a hood is bastard design.

i want to agree but I’m not sure that is technically defined as bastard.
I have no idea if Cakez would be that mod but even with how much power we know that wolves have, I want to say I’m leaning towards voting sas and handing u another wolf win.

[Alisae]

Who reviewed this game?
Koba?
I remember seeing somewhere it was koba but I’m not sure

[Alisae]

Ok LLD I want to make the leap of faith and just trust you here and I regret it then well so be it

[Alisae]

Who is their partner if it’s not me?

[Alisae]

Who is their partner if it’s not me?

Kokichi got the question wrong, but that's weird.

If it's not you it's probably... I don't honestly know. I'm willing to hear you out because it's been weird today.

If it isn't you, it can't be PB, probably not PP. Wave doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Flea? Flea being AFK and UTR?

Kokichi is the only real answer I could think of?

[Alisae]

I also want to TR Kokichi so like fucking lol
Ball is in Flea's court

[Alisae]

The commute is not multitasking

[Alisae]

if flea was a wolf I would expect it to be multitasking

[Alisae]

you got the self-watcher?

[Alisae]

WAIT

[Alisae]

What if wolves shot the miller

[Alisae]

idunno what happened to my kill then but what if something proc'd the BP

[Alisae]

eh no idea to know for sure

[Alisae]

all that we know is
- my kill is missing. I targetted Marashu. Marashu did not die.
- Wolf kill is missing and it wasn't kuribo.
- Cephrir was blocked. Likely cause was from the roleblock but Marashu could have been rolestopped. But if Marashu was rolestopped how did the kill fail. We have no one else who said they interacted with marashu and we know there's a bp and that pb made kokichi go to sleep which is supposed to interact with the kill but I'm not entirely sure how but it interacts with the kill

[Alisae]

this is so weird what happened n1

[Alisae]

Also I think I just don't understand some of the details behind pb's role.
Does it block and stop kills?
does it just stop kills?
I don't get it

[Alisae]

This feels like a pretty bad wolf shot.

Within the context of d1 and only d1?
Not necessarily.

[Alisae]

OH WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
IT ALL MAKES SENSE

[Alisae]

if there is a redirector, the redirector wants to redirect the invests to the miller!

[Alisae]

Think about it

[Alisae]

why the fuck did we kill ircher

[Alisae]

1638 is I think more so
"we made a terrible mistake"

[Alisae]

claim was bad sure but the reason why I was so waffly on the slot is because i wanted to look at ircher's play from a play perspective and justify if ti made sense for a wolf cuz that d3
is pretty townie for ircher

[Alisae]

Man I wish d3 didn't end as abruptly as it did.
That hammer from PB was so fucked

[Alisae]

VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Ircher before I get heated again with the shitty attitude from SAS

LOOK AT THIS
ITS HIS LITERAL NEXT POST
HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING

[Alisae]

PB succing me into his Dream Dimmension makes no sense why would he do that.

What's your suggestion?
I'm just going down my poe

Yeah. I know you are.

If Ircher flips town succ Kuribo. If Ircher flips scum succ Steven A Smith.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm
ok

WHY DID I AGREE TO THIS IT WAS LIKE I GOT MIND CONTROLLED

[Alisae]

I don’t think it’s Ircher. I get why people think guy is obvwolf so if I get outvoted here it is what it is, but I think if Ircher is a wolf, they would probably try to use wave getting Flea’s mask against Wave.
My theory for this redirect is that wolves don’t have enough information to get the most out of their redirect and they can’t interact with me so they used their power to try to make Wave look more sus. I feel like if Ircher is a wolf, he would use this redirect to his advantage to try to push the player.

THIS WAS MY LAST READ ON IRCHER BEFORE I VOTED HIM DUE TO MIND CONTROL

I'm just angry at myself.
I have no one but to blame but myself.

[Alisae]

PB succing me into his Dream Dimmension makes no sense why would he do that.

What's your suggestion?
I'm just going down my poe

Yeah. I know you are.

If Ircher flips town succ Kuribo. If Ircher flips scum succ Steven A Smith.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm
ok

WHY DID I AGREE TO THIS IT WAS LIKE I GOT MIND CONTROLLED

i really wish i actually was scum this game lmfao

Have we ever been town together?

[Alisae]

I can name 3 occasions where I as a villager had to face you as a wolf.
Some UT game that I forgot the name of where you replaced in had a townie catch-up and i got demotivated and just didn't play and eventually you mind controlled me to win the game for you
Guns and Roses
AvP

[Alisae]

I think the only occasion we were town together was the GiF bastard VN game where I hooded you immediately and then won the game?????????????
I wouldn't count this game tbh

[Alisae]

I can name 3 occasions where I as a villager had to face you as a wolf.
Some UT game that I forgot the name of where you replaced in had a townie catch-up and i got demotivated and just didn't play and eventually you mind controlled me to win the game for you
Guns and Roses
AvP

you were scum in Defcon 5.0

I was scum in the weird Pooky uh uh money stocks game

wow

[Alisae]

i forgot about the pooky money game that's 4!!!!!!!

[Alisae]

VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Ircher before I get heated again with the shitty attitude from SAS

LOOK AT THIS
ITS HIS LITERAL NEXT POST
HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING

I haven’t denied this? I thought Ircher was scum and I’ve saying it since D2

okay but you're hammering while there's discussion going on?

[Alisae]

if you didn't want to get heated in discussion, why are you ending the day
just leave thread for a bit

[Alisae]

you were scum in Midsummer Night's Revelry as A2, the fakegod dance game

that was my first game with you, I don't remember actually interacting with you there tbh

[Alisae]

god holy fuck we literally have never been the same alignment before

actually I think we were wolves together before once.
it was a titus LoL upick game that was very not balanced.
I was playing on Monaca Towa

[Alisae]

if you didn't want to get heated in discussion, why are you ending the day
just leave thread for a bit

No, I didn’t want to end the day; I wanted to end the day, target SAS, bring Kokichi back and next night deal with SAS. You’re acting like the hammer had no merits

Do you feel attacked?

[Alisae]

I read that post and it seemed kind of defensive so that's why I'm asking

[Alisae]

I think the best wolf rand I have ever had on my site career actually was that game

[Alisae]

I will never get a wolf rand as crazy as that one ever again

[Alisae]

maybe my wolf rand of Me/Titus + Vaxkiller + Kuribo + Cephrir + ABR beats that
or Me + Reck + UT + Shiro
I've gotten some crazy rands but that's like one of my top 3 wolf rands on site

[Alisae]

I think I solved the matrix

[Alisae]

I feel like Columbo finding the final puzzle piece and putting all of the pieces together

[Alisae]

LLD what alignment do you think PB is?

[Alisae]

PB why are you posting that?

[Alisae]

wait i'm misreading the 2nd quote/not really understanding what you're doing with that post

[Alisae]

What's your read on LLD?

[Alisae]

LLD what alignment do you think PB is?

[Alisae]

Hey LLD and PB.
Here is a list of everyone's claims.
What stands out to you guys?

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
PB jailor
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD double vote + will
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor

We know there is a redirector due to night actions

[Alisae]

You think it's Kokichi?
Huh that's very interesting.

[Alisae]

If you think PB is town, can you justify his hammers?

[Alisae]

WAVE

[Alisae]

Hey LLD and PB.
Here is a list of everyone's claims.
What stands out to you guys?

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
PB jailor
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD double vote + will
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor

We know there is a redirector due to night actions

I’m not seeing it Ali sorry. A lot of players with abilities that are restricted by quantity and just a few that can act every night is the biggest thing I see

Well, what do you think about LLD being the only alive player to not have a night action?

[Alisae]

did Kokichi redirect you to Ircher N1?

LLD, if it's Kokichi, how did they redirect Flea to Wave?

[Alisae]

WAVE I HAVE CHECKMATE
YOU WANNA SEE IT?

[Alisae]

I have this game figured out TO THE DETAIL

[Alisae]

LLD can you give me any ample town motivation for PB's hammers?

[Alisae]

LLD can you give me any ample town motivation for PB's hammers?

not really, no.

i could see town doing it but it wouldn't have a pro town motivation

idunno that's really puzzling to me
D1 his hammer came immediately after wave's post and he say at all that he was going to go for that hammer. I mean we know NM will just hammer in that spot instantly but that's a player specific thing. Ya know, usually when town says they're going to hammer they'll do something like Kokichi where they like say so? I mean when I'm a wolf I just LOVE to drop hammers out of the blue like that and usually I get away with.
There's also that D3 hammer. You know PB was keeping track of the votecount this entire time? I mean, he knew how many people were voting him during D3, that's not something that townies are usually thinking about. If anything, I would say wolves always have the votecount in mind more than villagers do. Not to mention that hammer was really similar, as soon as I posted a vote on Ircher, PB immediately places a vote and then posts about how they're targetting SAS regardless of the flip. That's pretty weird, it's like he knew that the vote he was placing was a hammer but it didn't seem like anyone else who was posting at the time knew.

Idunno, I'm sure you can help me see how this comes from town because it's really puzzling to me

[Alisae]

Oh ya PB was also not voting D2 and he didn't really vote until I called him out on it.

[Alisae]

I’m starting to pass out
I’m start to think that no town is gonna post until the next day

[Alisae]

That’s sadge I was really hoping to try to talk to a townie before I went to bed

[Alisae]

eh ya know what
ya I think this is just a slam dunk I think I am just going to post it and see what happens
I think I got, enough from this page and the last one anyway.

[Alisae]

To first understand the game, we must understand who are the Villagers

.
PP and Kokichi are both town I don't think we really need to talk to much about it.
PP when town usually just posts whatever is on his mind and this game he's shown that. It doesn't really make sense for him to be a wolf with SAS and confirm the nature of PB's role, if he's a wolf with LLD, that means all 3 wolves are in a neighborhood and have a shit ton of power.
Kokichi's D1 is pretty townie and Marashu saying their odd is likely +Town for Kokichi.

Kuribo Ircher Amici Dragons are all flipped town obv.

Flea had townie night actions. They gave me a mask and honestly, this game comes across as if fae is just playing their own game.

I'm obviously town, I'm really not in my wolf game here at all and I think I have played a game where every single minute of it I have shown that I am actively solving. But we can dive more into that as we talk about setup as it's hard to talk about my role w/o talking about Marashu's
Wave is also pretty town by play however if PB is actually town, they're the last wolf. Again we'll get to this as we talk about the setup.

This only leaves SAS.
I think SAS is a villager with their play tbh. I don't think their D1 push on PB is wolfy but rather something that comes from town. Most players were in agreement that it seemed like they believed that they actually had this read.
I think the way they've played D2 makes sense from a villager's PoE
And honestly, I think I'm fine w/ their D3?
I would like to point out that

THEY ARE THE ONLY ACTIVE PERSON THAT IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL PB

AT

ALL

STAGES OF THE GAME

Now, one could argue that this is a wolf who wants to avoid forming other reads.
BUT this is the only player who actively went out of their way to say actively accuse PB of lying about bringing people back.
This is

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

.
During the course of D3 I was trying to keep PB alive.
Wave thought PB was a third party but had influence no how that day was decided.
Flea didn't exist.
Kuribo I don't recall exactly but he ended up voting Ircher
LLD used her doublevote on Ircher and while she said PB's role didn't make sense, she didn't do anything to actually try to get PB's body.
Ircher wanted to go to the Dead PT.

THE SETUP - Which one of these things is not like the other

I think I really only understood what was happening in this game once I wrote out what the entire setup was.

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
PB kidnapper
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD double vote + will
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor

We know there is a redirector due to night actions

Which one of these things aren't like the others?
Which one of these things just doesn't belong?
Can you tell me which thing just aren't like the others?
Before I finish th-
no this post long as shit I'll just tell you.

Well actually there's 2 accurate answers to this question.

1 - WHERE IS LLD'S NIGHT ACTION?
EVERY SINGLE PLAYER EXCEPT IRCHER CAN ACT AT NIGHT.
We KNOW there is a redirector, so who the fuck is the liar? SAS and Flea's roles are proven. PB is proven to have a PT. Only real answers here are Wave, Me, and LLD. If it was LLD, she would want you to believe it's Kokichi. Pure Comedy I tell ya.
Her Will cannot be proven without obtaining her corpse. Seems like a convenient fakeclaim.

2 - WHY DOES PB HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS?
Every single role has some kind of gate on it except I believe SAS, who's power is quite minimal so it's fine. Oh also there's Kokichi, honestly, I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think it's reasonable for him to be able to act every night. After all, the mafia roleblocker can act every night.
But, you're telling me that PB can not only block but ALSO protect someone from the night kill, take them away from the gamethread, and also bring them back/kill them?
And how the fuck does it interact with Ircher's BP?

With this in mind, let's try to digest this setup.

Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor
Ali 1-shot jan vig
Kokichi Strongwiller

Match.
It's lined up so Marashu has a similar claim to me and has something that makes me look more suspicious.
Lots of wine that could be played with this.
Oh also said said, Kokichi is directly Marashu's counter.

Kokichi Strongwiller
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker
Redirector

Another match
The Redirector here can redirect invests or anything to the miller and it's really good!
It even eats a bullet if they redirect killing to it!

Kokichi obviously makes sense to allow counterplay to the redirector and the miller has interactions with the Tracker and is meant for the Tracker.

kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
LLD

Match!
Well, mostly because they have the ability to summon the mod to post animals.
Note that one of these has a night action, the other claimed to not have a night action.

SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD Doublevote + last will

Match!
However these roles are VERY different from each other.
One has to perform 2 night actions!
The other performs 0 night actions!

Well that's the obvious difference.
Here's another one:
You can roleblock one of these players, but you cannot roleblock the other one of these players.

Let's talk about how their vote functions.

SAS is a lot more narrow. He has to wait for night to use it and it only gives him an extra vote vs 1 specific player.
LLD on the other hand has a lot more versatile role. She can use it D1, she can use it on ANYBODY. It's a neat little way to give her faction an extra vote for whatever purposes that they need and I think her role works better towards this.

Like okay imagine this
Say you're a wolf SAS right, let's say wolves want to go for an elimination on say Kuribo the next day.
They make Kuribo easier to vote, they force a claim out of him, and then he drops his claim, which I think, is pretty townie.
That feels really bad for wolf!SAS here doesn't it?

I mean in a sense, LLD's doublevote is kind of similar, but she can decide if she wants to drop it mid day phase where as SAS has to decide it at night?
Seems like it sucks a lot more if a wolf!SAS uses it than if a wolf!LLD uses it.

Also with how SAS was playing, his USERID and gimmick of rping a specific person, him even referencing the specific term blasphemous, CRUMBING THAT ITS HIS
Seems not likely with how he played it that he's a wolf.

Also, if LLD is a wolf, 250 words is a pretty specific part of the claim. I think this came out before SAS said his claim on D3.
This is...one of the things I can't answer? It lines up with SAS' claim.
If she's a wolf, ig she somehow was able to rolecop SAS and identify this? Wave stands out as a suspect who could be said rolecop but if it was like a mod provided fakeclaim or something I would buy it! I personally buy it being some type of like fakeclaim rather than Wave being a rolecop, that's a pretty hard pill to swallow tbh.

If we axe out LLD, PB, and Marashu's roles, here's what village looks like.

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message

This is pretty investigation heavy!
Lots of townies have lots of things to catch if they were redirected.
PP and Amici have unique investgations, one is a follower, the other is a watcher.
Watcher is a very powerful role. And we killed it D1, while LLD did not care at all about the claim. No hesitation.
Wave can check to see who can kill. I bet if he checked PB, it he would a result that says PB can kill.
Obvs we went over the Tracker.
A full doctor that tells you if you stopped the kill is pretty powerful! I would kill to have that role.

This I would looks
actually reasonable for what village power looks like given what we know!

Oh also, ig you can like, look at how PB and LLD interacted with me listing out the claims and asking them if they notice anything.
One of them tried to pin Kokichi as the redirector despite how that's not even possible.
The other said "No sorry I don't see anything!"
Huh weird, they're pushing SAS, and haven't really done much legwork to try to actually tie up all of these loose ends.
Seems like they don't really want to either tbh.

I mean, I just don't get how something like this can suddenly make sense to me just by listing out the entire setup and trying to put the pieces together like some kind of logic puzzle, but the engagements that I got about it were not at all that great.

NOW, TO THE MEAT AND POTATOS

DAYPLAY - DAY 1

I'm townreading you and townleaning LLD, that's all I have for now

@Kokichi

SUPER EARLY TR ON LLD
I don't think anyone could even come to this conclusion this quickly.
Quite frankly, it's weird.

Votecount 1.2

Pink Ball (4) -

Stephen A Smith, Flea the Magician, Kokichi Oma, PenguinPower

Amici Curiae (4) - Lady Lambdadelta,

Here There Be Dragons, Alisae, Ircher

Alisae (1) -

Wavelength

Wavelength (1) -

Marashu

PenguinPower (1) -

Amici Curiae

Not voting (2) -

kuribo

, Pink Ball

(expired on 2023-03-11 22:58:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

there are too many people who need to be voting one of the two top wagons rn. preferably you vote the scum one but if you want to throw your lot in and claim scum by voting the townie one you're welcome to show that too.

so basically wavelength marashu kuribo, cause we can expect amici and pink to cross vote here.

The game is on you 3, let's see what your alignments are :3

I think the VC is notable so I colored it in.
This is LLD blatantly trying to direct votes onto Amici.
Here she says that you vote the scum one (Amici) but if you want to claim wolf you can vote the town one (PB)
PB did not recieve any further votes.
LLD doublevoted it.
Amici got more voters.
Only Kokichi was the one that was like "if we wanna kill actual wolves we should vote PB" and by that point Amici had claimed, Wave votes it, and even Kuribo was going there.
But instead of any town actually sending Amici to the shadow realm, who sends Amici to the Shadow Realm?
PB.
When do they do it.

VOTE: Amici Curiae

VOTE: Amici Curiae

IMMEDIATELY AFTER WAVE VOTES HIM
WITH NOTHING SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS
HE JUST DROPS ITS LIKE A BIG OL SURPRISE
WHAT THE FUCK

Another thing I REALLY want to point out about this D1 is LLD vs Amici.
Specifically when Amici claimed.
Let's look at how some players interacted with Amici post claim.
Kokichi - Posts intent to hammer if they get one more vote. THIS IS WHAT MOST TOWNIES DO WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAMMER.
Wave - Votes it cuz they claimed flavor cop and they also have flavor cop shots. They also were actively pro-town during twilight, its one of the best reasons to TR them this game.
Dragons - Asks about RH
Kuribo - Grilled it and wanted them to post content.
Ali - Showed hestiation w/ "I don't know how to respond to the fact a watcher just claimed infront of me" but kept the vote on them.
LLD - Complete opposite of me. They knew that they wanted them dead.

Ya know, it's really interesting how you have 1 person posting intent, another voting cuz they claimed something similar, a townie trying to get reads, another one wondering where is one head of the hydra, me showing hesitation, but LLD wanting to kill it.
Like think about this, how come we have people trying to get stuff out of the player, and some showing hesitation because Watcher is quite a powerful role, but to LLD she doesn't care about any of these things. She only wants MURDER.
They even "believed" that Amici would actually flip wolf.
This isn't really something that was ever revisited. Like, they kind of just got to kill Amici for free and everyone went along with.
But like, if we think about it, who really is the wolf here?

Votecount 1.4

Amici Curiae (7) - Lady Lambdadelta, Lady Lambdadelta,

Here There Be Dragons, Alisae, Ircher, Wavelength

, Pink Ball
Pink Ball (5) -

Stephen A Smith, Flea the Magician, Kokichi Oma, PenguinPower, Amici Curiae

Wavelength (1) -

Marashu

Not voting (1) -

kuribo

(expired on 2023-03-11 22:58:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

I have a hard time really seeing anyone but LLD/PB as the main players here.
Like you have one guy who is saying they will hammer but also we could kill the actual wolves, but you have another that immediately snipes the hammer at the soonest opportunity.
Really makes ya wonder.

NIGHT 1 - WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NIGHTKILL

I probably got redirected to Ircher and popped his BP. We know this because Flea targetted me and I got her mask. If it was a deflector targetting Marashu and deflecting onto Ircher, Ircher would have gotten the mask.
Ceph got blocked by Marashu. If there was a deflector targetting Marashu, they would not get a no result, they would get a guilty.
Kuribo didn't stop the kill.
So where the fuck is it?
Nothing else stopped a kill.
And we mostly already agree that shooting Ircher is ??????

Here is my answer for you:

IT'S ALL ACCORDING TO KOHAKU

(Kohaku means plan)
Who's plan?
PBs.
Why does PB want to rush into night?
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO KIDNAP SOMEONE.
Why does he want to make sure he gets to D3 alive?

SO HE CAN LIE ABOUT HIS ROLE

What is he lying about

THE FACT THAT HE THINKS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHY THERE IS NO KILL.

Do we get it yet?
No?
Let me put it more simply.

PB NO KILLED SO HE COULD MAKE HIS CLAIM LOOK LIKE A VILLAGER CLAIM AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE WAS THE ONE THAT STOPPED THE KILL.
HE LIED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE BACK OR KILLING THEM. THIS MAKES HIS CLAIM LOOK TOWNIE BECAUSE IF HE CLAIMED THAT HE JUST KIDNAPPED PEOPLE AND

NOTHING ELSE

PEOPLE WOULD WANT HIS HEAD.
THAT WAS ALL TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS WORTH KEEPING HIM ALIVE TO TRY TO PROVE HE COULD DO THIS.
HE CAN'T DO THIS, IT'S BULLSHIT, HE JUST KIDNAPPS 2 PEOPLE.
THAT'S LITERALLY IT.
AND EVEN IF HE COULD STOP THE KILL, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO PROVE IT, AND THAT'S TO FLIP HIM

HE'S NOT A THIRD PARTY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH HOW HE'S BEEN PLAYING IT.
HE'S NOT A VILLAGER. HIS HAMMERS HAVE NO TOWN MOTIVATION BEHIND THEM
HE'S JUST MAFIA. THAT'S LITERALLY IT

LLD is even playing to this.

And Kokichi is just like, Gone so.

It's real weird that we have 2 flipless kills in this game, unless Kokichi does a houdini as their power?

but if Kokichi did a houdini where's the scum kill?

There's obviously not a good explanation for why there was no kill n1, so this is a very good setup for when PB actually goes through with his claim. Obviously since from what village knows, we don't know what stopped the kill. It wasn't Kuribo. Wolves know this, we know this, so who what's going on?
Well, obviously, wolves want want to have us believe that PB when they claim is telling the truth, as nothing else could POSSIBLY make sense otherwise!

I would encourage to try to think about exactly

who

submits a block on Cephrir and a redirect on me to the miller.
There are exactly only

2 alive players

that have the potential to submit actions like these.
LLD. The other is me, who was the target of redirection.
These wolf actions are the actions taken by a competent wolf team. A wolf team that knows and understands how to get the most out of their powers. Simply put, it uses all of their abilities in the best ways possible.
LLD has so much motive to direct our actions. She doesn't have much information about the setup, but I would like to make the prediction that a wolf!LLD thinks that the two villagers to most likely try to check her out with powers would be me and Cephir.
To really understand this, you have to understand LLD.
LLD is one of the best wolf players on site. It is reasonable for her to expect people to want to target her with night actions and to use those to figure her out instead of actually trying to form a read. If you're a cop, she's an awesome cop check, and I bet she knows this. It's hard to deny that if you can use a night action to solve LLD over actually forming a read, one will use the night action to sort LLD, as it's lazier and less likely to fail.
If LLD is a wolf, she will do anything in her power to not die. If she has a teammate she knows can go deep with her, her and her teammate will do everything in their power to try to prevent one another from flipping.

Anyway, I don't think there's really much to talk about D2. D2 wasn't a wolf controlled day phase.
I ask PB to put Marashu in hammer range, while also POSTING THIS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR LATER

pb can you vote marashu
I want your vote on the biggest wagon at all times
no more funny hammers from you mister

IF PB IS TOWN, THIS INDICATES THAT IF THEY THROW DOWN ANY MORE HAMMERS, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES.
This is a post from me indicating I want PB's vote in play at all times and this is ONLY cared about during D2.
Obviously when D3 comes, PB claims and there's a whole bunch of noise and it's pretty easy to forget about this detail.

But here's a detail that also really gets me.
Say you're a villager right, you had one bad hammer, right?
Generally speaking they're going to feel bad but they'll also demonstrate that with their actions.
I mean like, if I was a villager and I had a pretty bad hammer on someone D1 and it caused D1 to end abruptly, and maybe this is actually just a me thing but wouldn't a townie who genuinely felt bad for their hammer try to take steps to make sure that they don't do it again?
I mean like, if they really felt bad and felt like they made a mistake, wouldn't they wanna go out of their way to like, not make that mistake again?
But wouldn't this also mean making sure your vote was in play at all times?
I mean, if you were really genuine about not wanting to make a mistake after such a hammer like that D1, usually when people make mistakes they try not to make them again.
But PB kept his vote on not voting during D2, he kept it on not voting till D3 when I voted Ircher and he immediately hammered
and even right now, as we speak, even though he should (probably) be voting SAS, he's not?

I find it really hard to justify negligence here.

Anyway Marashu seemed like they had no interest in posting content, in fact they were probably just waiting to be put in hammer range so they could self and they could go to night, allowing PB can make a play.

VOTE: Marashu

I leave the rest to you.

Seems like wolves really wanted to go to night!

THE NIGHT 2 REDIRECT

So why Redirect Flea to Wave?
Simple really.
Wolves think they can't interact with me.
They want to kill dragons.
PB is kidnapping PP
Flea hinted at faer masks being powerful.
I bet that LLD wanted to make Ircher LOOK like the redirector. I don't think there is any better target.
Wolves don't really know anything else and generally I think wolves are going to work off of what they know rather than what they don't.

Their claim is pretty sus, villagers, WAVE in particular, is attempting to poke holes at Ircher.
I think wolves goal is to make Ircher look like the redirector.
If they know I'm a vig who shot Ircher, they already know he's bulletproof, as they know they redirected my shot to Ircher.
So they know that if Ircher tries to claim it will make their claim look bad.
Wave recieving Flea's mask I think is geared towards making Wave think this as well.

Their only problem is that Ircher didn't really push it. They can't mind control Ircher to push it but wolves I think can make the assumption that since Ircher is town, his wave fos is real, and Ircher will want to continue to push Wave.

When you think about it that way, it sure does beat using the redirector blind to try to find somethin.

There's also the argument that wolves bought that Flea gave out powerful masks and wanted one of them, but like
if this is what Wave was going to do, why is he claiming it?
If he's a wolf, doesn't he just keep the information about the redirector hidden?
In fact, it's this very action that exposes the redirector. To give that information to town really helps them put together so many of the pieces. If it's just kept hidden, we NEVER know why the night 1 kill didn't happen. There's genuinely no good explanation. Well actually it would be that PB is town and telling the truth, but how does that explain my vig shot?
Idunno, maybe wave thinks that we would have eventually figured it out?
But Idunno, I don't see why he even gives us that information in the first place. Just seems unnecessary to me, idunno.

DAYPLAY - DAY 3

This is the day where PB claims, and there's a lot of noise from different people about what PB is.
We already covered most of what the other villagers thought during day 3, but let's bring it back up again.
Ali - Gullably believed that the claim could be proven and thus, wanted to keep PB alive.
Flea - Didn't exist.
Wave - Thought PB was a third party.
SAS - Kept pushing PB, suggesting he was a third party, while also pushing LLD for being mafia.
Ircher - Wants to go to the dead thread.
Kuribo - Wanted to kill Ircher, thought PB didn't make sense as a third party.

LLD - Starts out by saying PB's claim is too strong to be town.
Ends on PB is at best town, doesn't make sense for being a third party.

Isn't it convenient how when if we assume PB is mafia and we re-read this day phase, LLD and PB vs SAS looks like

coordinated team play

from LLD and PB?
Huh
ain't that funny.

DAYPLAY - LLD is aligned with the mafia

And if we re-read D3 in particular to look for who is playing to a wolf wincon, isn't funny that the only realistic answer we get here is LLD?
I mean she REALLY wanted Ircher dead!
She said she would go to PB but I think she knew that the thread would lean towards Ircher > PB given the nature of PB's claim and how there might be people in the village who would want to prove something like that.

Also just look at her interactions with me and how she's trying to sell me SAS' actions coming from a wolf.

She even used her doublevote early before I got a chance to ask if we could test if she could use it to hammer or not and posted this

So it would fail and I wouldn't have it

Is this a bad thing?

Yes? I am not just your drone and you aren't in charge of this town, lol.

I have my double vote for a reason it is my LITERAL AVTUAL ONLY POWER so uh.
Yeah I don't really give a shit if you are telling me to waste it.

And it sure is funny how

I'M THE ONE THAT'S DOING ALL OF THIS SETUP SPEC BUT SHE'S HASN'T LOOKED AT ANY OF IT TO TRY TO SOLVE.

As soon as I come into thread today and say "hey, I lean LLD"
She IMMEDIATELY comes at me with the "ITS ALI AND SAS" solve.
"OH HERES THE FLIP"

Anyway, I think I'm forgetting something...
THAT'S RIGHT.

DAYPLAY - PB'S D3 HAMMER HAS 0 TOWN MOTIVATION

VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Ircher before I get heated again with the shitty attitude from SAS

I’m targeting SAS no matter what Ircher flips

This is a hammer that comes from someone that knows what he's doing.
He's counting the votes. I believe he even mentioned this during this D3 that he actively knew what the votecount looked like at all times.
I put a vote down, like D1, he immediately puts his vote down, and then indicates that he's always targetting SAS regardless of the flip.
Him implying there'll be a flip is a weird post in relation to what's going on.
Why?

BECAUSE PB KNEW THE DAY WOULD BE ENDING. EVERYONE ELSE CONTINUED TO PLAY AS IF THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE VOTECOUNT. PB DIDN'T MENTION AT ALL THE DAY WAS ENDING AND JUST CONTINUE TO LET EVERYONE ELSE POST UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT DAY WAS STILL GOING ON

This is a

BIG DEAL

to me because I remember the thread lock coming in and the day ending being extremely surprising and shocking to me. It caught me extremely off guard, so off-guard, that even though I was probably unlikely to be a kill if LLD was a wolf, I still needed to pop my mask to make sure I was alive for the next day phase.
I mean look at this vc. I'll color it in for everyone.

Votecount 3.1

Ircher (5) -

kuribo

, Lady Lambdadelta, Lady Lambdadelta,

Alisae

, Pink Ball
Pink Ball (2) -

Ircher, Stephen A Smith

Not voting (2) -

Wavelength, Flea the Magician

(expired on 2023-03-15 21:06:00) remain until day end

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

And my, isn't that super similar to the final D1 votecount where LLD and PB are on a town wagon?
NO WAY
it's almost like they're teammates!

Like, it's really hard to justify these hammers coming from town, especially this last hammer.

So how does the rest of the game play out

Ez, LLD always flips wolf and has to go.
If PB is actually town, then the only person I can think of who might be a wolf with them is Wave and it would probably be because they're actually just a rolecop who copped SAS N1 so LLD knew what claim to fake.
But he shouldn't be.
No shot that someone who IMMEDIATELY after I vote Ircher drops a hammer on him is town.
Nuh uh.
PB dies next, if he's town, the people he kidnapped should just come back into thread, we get wave the next day but honestly game should just be over with LLD and PB dead.

[Alisae]

VOTE: LLD

[Alisae]

Oh another thing
I really should be adding this into the main post but

If you’re a redirector aligned with the mafia right?
I don’t think that’s something that can be claimed.
But a double vote?
That’s pretty safe to claim!

[Alisae]

That’s E-1 by the way

No hammer?????

[Alisae]

Wow
You take the chance to hammer Ircher and Amici as soon as you can
But LLD?

[Alisae]

Wow that’s really interesting

Pedit: oh no, I just thought it would be interesting to point out

[Alisae]

But I mean like of course
You’re not going to hammer someone you think is town in a game state where if we make a mistake we LOSE

[Alisae]

To first understand the game, we must understand who are the Villagers

.
PP and Kokichi are both town I don't think we really need to talk to much about it.
PP when town usually just posts whatever is on his mind and this game he's shown that. It doesn't really make sense for him to be a wolf with SAS and confirm the nature of PB's role, if he's a wolf with LLD, that means all 3 wolves are in a neighborhood and have a shit ton of power.
Kokichi's D1 is pretty townie and Marashu saying their odd is likely +Town for Kokichi.

Kuribo Ircher Amici Dragons are all flipped town obv.

Flea had townie night actions. They gave me a mask and honestly, this game comes across as if fae is just playing their own game.

I'm obviously town, I'm really not in my wolf game here at all and I think I have played a game where every single minute of it I have shown that I am actively solving. But we can dive more into that as we talk about setup as it's hard to talk about my role w/o talking about Marashu's
Wave is also pretty town by play however if PB is actually town, they're the last wolf. Again we'll get to this as we talk about the setup.

This only leaves SAS.
I think SAS is a villager with their play tbh. I don't think their D1 push on PB is wolfy but rather something that comes from town. Most players were in agreement that it seemed like they believed that they actually had this read.
I think the way they've played D2 makes sense from a villager's PoE
And honestly, I think I'm fine w/ their D3?
I would like to point out that

THEY ARE THE ONLY ACTIVE PERSON THAT IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL PB

AT

ALL

STAGES OF THE GAME

Now, one could argue that this is a wolf who wants to avoid forming other reads.
BUT this is the only player who actively went out of their way to say actively accuse PB of lying about bringing people back.
This is

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

.
During the course of D3 I was trying to keep PB alive.
Wave thought PB was a third party but had influence no how that day was decided.
Flea didn't exist.
Kuribo I don't recall exactly but he ended up voting Ircher
LLD used her doublevote on Ircher and while she said PB's role didn't make sense, she didn't do anything to actually try to get PB's body.
Ircher wanted to go to the Dead PT.

THE SETUP - Which one of these things is not like the other

I think I really only understood what was happening in this game once I wrote out what the entire setup was.

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
PB kidnapper
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD double vote + will
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor

We know there is a redirector due to night actions

Which one of these things aren't like the others?
Which one of these things just doesn't belong?
Can you tell me which thing just aren't like the others?
Before I finish th-
no this post long as shit I'll just tell you.

Well actually there's 2 accurate answers to this question.

1 - WHERE IS LLD'S NIGHT ACTION?
EVERY SINGLE PLAYER EXCEPT IRCHER CAN ACT AT NIGHT.
We KNOW there is a redirector, so who the fuck is the liar? SAS and Flea's roles are proven. PB is proven to have a PT. Only real answers here are Wave, Me, and LLD. If it was LLD, she would want you to believe it's Kokichi. Pure Comedy I tell ya.
Her Will cannot be proven without obtaining her corpse. Seems like a convenient fakeclaim.

2 - WHY DOES PB HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS?
Every single role has some kind of gate on it except I believe SAS, who's power is quite minimal so it's fine. Oh also there's Kokichi, honestly, I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think it's reasonable for him to be able to act every night. After all, the mafia roleblocker can act every night.
But, you're telling me that PB can not only block but ALSO protect someone from the night kill, take them away from the gamethread, and also bring them back/kill them?
And how the fuck does it interact with Ircher's BP?

With this in mind, let's try to digest this setup.

Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor
Ali 1-shot jan vig
Kokichi Strongwiller

Match.
It's lined up so Marashu has a similar claim to me and has something that makes me look more suspicious.
Lots of wine that could be played with this.
Oh also said said, Kokichi is directly Marashu's counter.

Kokichi Strongwiller
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker
Redirector

Another match
The Redirector here can redirect invests or anything to the miller and it's really good!
It even eats a bullet if they redirect killing to it!

Kokichi obviously makes sense to allow counterplay to the redirector and the miller has interactions with the Tracker and is meant for the Tracker.

kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
LLD

Match!
Well, mostly because they have the ability to summon the mod to post animals.
Note that one of these has a night action, the other claimed to not have a night action.

SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD Doublevote + last will

Match!
However these roles are VERY different from each other.
One has to perform 2 night actions!
The other performs 0 night actions!

Well that's the obvious difference.
Here's another one:
You can roleblock one of these players, but you cannot roleblock the other one of these players.

Let's talk about how their vote functions.

SAS is a lot more narrow. He has to wait for night to use it and it only gives him an extra vote vs 1 specific player.
LLD on the other hand has a lot more versatile role. She can use it D1, she can use it on ANYBODY. It's a neat little way to give her faction an extra vote for whatever purposes that they need and I think her role works better towards this.

Like okay imagine this
Say you're a wolf SAS right, let's say wolves want to go for an elimination on say Kuribo the next day.
They make Kuribo easier to vote, they force a claim out of him, and then he drops his claim, which I think, is pretty townie.
That feels really bad for wolf!SAS here doesn't it?

I mean in a sense, LLD's doublevote is kind of similar, but she can decide if she wants to drop it mid day phase where as SAS has to decide it at night?
Seems like it sucks a lot more if a wolf!SAS uses it than if a wolf!LLD uses it.

Also with how SAS was playing, his USERID and gimmick of rping a specific person, him even referencing the specific term blasphemous, CRUMBING THAT ITS HIS
Seems not likely with how he played it that he's a wolf.

Also, if LLD is a wolf, 250 words is a pretty specific part of the claim. I think this came out before SAS said his claim on D3.
This is...one of the things I can't answer? It lines up with SAS' claim.
If she's a wolf, ig she somehow was able to rolecop SAS and identify this? Wave stands out as a suspect who could be said rolecop but if it was like a mod provided fakeclaim or something I would buy it! I personally buy it being some type of like fakeclaim rather than Wave being a rolecop, that's a pretty hard pill to swallow tbh.

If we axe out LLD, PB, and Marashu's roles, here's what village looks like.

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message

This is pretty investigation heavy!
Lots of townies have lots of things to catch if they were redirected.
PP and Amici have unique investgations, one is a follower, the other is a watcher.
Watcher is a very powerful role. And we killed it D1, while LLD did not care at all about the claim. No hesitation.
Wave can check to see who can kill. I bet if he checked PB, it he would a result that says PB can kill.
Obvs we went over the Tracker.
A full doctor that tells you if you stopped the kill is pretty powerful! I would kill to have that role.

This I would looks
actually reasonable for what village power looks like given what we know!

Oh also, ig you can like, look at how PB and LLD interacted with me listing out the claims and asking them if they notice anything.
One of them tried to pin Kokichi as the redirector despite how that's not even possible.
The other said "No sorry I don't see anything!"
Huh weird, they're pushing SAS, and haven't really done much legwork to try to actually tie up all of these loose ends.
Seems like they don't really want to either tbh.

I mean, I just don't get how something like this can suddenly make sense to me just by listing out the entire setup and trying to put the pieces together like some kind of logic puzzle, but the engagements that I got about it were not at all that great.

NOW, TO THE MEAT AND POTATOS

DAYPLAY - DAY 1

I'm townreading you and townleaning LLD, that's all I have for now

@Kokichi

SUPER EARLY TR ON LLD
I don't think anyone could even come to this conclusion this quickly.
Quite frankly, it's weird.

Votecount 1.2

Pink Ball (4) -

Stephen A Smith, Flea the Magician, Kokichi Oma, PenguinPower

Amici Curiae (4) - Lady Lambdadelta,

Here There Be Dragons, Alisae, Ircher

Alisae (1) -

Wavelength

Wavelength (1) -

Marashu

PenguinPower (1) -

Amici Curiae

Not voting (2) -

kuribo

, Pink Ball

(expired on 2023-03-11 22:58:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

there are too many people who need to be voting one of the two top wagons rn. preferably you vote the scum one but if you want to throw your lot in and claim scum by voting the townie one you're welcome to show that too.

so basically wavelength marashu kuribo, cause we can expect amici and pink to cross vote here.

The game is on you 3, let's see what your alignments are :3

I think the VC is notable so I colored it in.
This is LLD blatantly trying to direct votes onto Amici.
Here she says that you vote the scum one (Amici) but if you want to claim wolf you can vote the town one (PB)
PB did not recieve any further votes.
LLD doublevoted it.
Amici got more voters.
Only Kokichi was the one that was like "if we wanna kill actual wolves we should vote PB" and by that point Amici had claimed, Wave votes it, and even Kuribo was going there.
But instead of any town actually sending Amici to the shadow realm, who sends Amici to the Shadow Realm?
PB.
When do they do it.

VOTE: Amici Curiae

VOTE: Amici Curiae

IMMEDIATELY AFTER WAVE VOTES HIM
WITH NOTHING SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS
HE JUST DROPS ITS LIKE A BIG OL SURPRISE
WHAT THE FUCK

Another thing I REALLY want to point out about this D1 is LLD vs Amici.
Specifically when Amici claimed.
Let's look at how some players interacted with Amici post claim.
Kokichi - Posts intent to hammer if they get one more vote. THIS IS WHAT MOST TOWNIES DO WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAMMER.
Wave - Votes it cuz they claimed flavor cop and they also have flavor cop shots. They also were actively pro-town during twilight, its one of the best reasons to TR them this game.
Dragons - Asks about RH
Kuribo - Grilled it and wanted them to post content.
Ali - Showed hestiation w/ "I don't know how to respond to the fact a watcher just claimed infront of me" but kept the vote on them.
LLD - Complete opposite of me. They knew that they wanted them dead.

Ya know, it's really interesting how you have 1 person posting intent, another voting cuz they claimed something similar, a townie trying to get reads, another one wondering where is one head of the hydra, me showing hesitation, but LLD wanting to kill it.
Like think about this, how come we have people trying to get stuff out of the player, and some showing hesitation because Watcher is quite a powerful role, but to LLD she doesn't care about any of these things. She only wants MURDER.
They even "believed" that Amici would actually flip wolf.
This isn't really something that was ever revisited. Like, they kind of just got to kill Amici for free and everyone went along with.
But like, if we think about it, who really is the wolf here?

Votecount 1.4

Amici Curiae (7) - Lady Lambdadelta, Lady Lambdadelta,

Here There Be Dragons, Alisae, Ircher, Wavelength

, Pink Ball
Pink Ball (5) -

Stephen A Smith, Flea the Magician, Kokichi Oma, PenguinPower, Amici Curiae

Wavelength (1) -

Marashu

Not voting (1) -

kuribo

(expired on 2023-03-11 22:58:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

I have a hard time really seeing anyone but LLD/PB as the main players here.
Like you have one guy who is saying they will hammer but also we could kill the actual wolves, but you have another that immediately snipes the hammer at the soonest opportunity.
Really makes ya wonder.

NIGHT 1 - WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NIGHTKILL

I probably got redirected to Ircher and popped his BP. We know this because Flea targetted me and I got her mask. If it was a deflector targetting Marashu and deflecting onto Ircher, Ircher would have gotten the mask.
Ceph got blocked by Marashu. If there was a deflector targetting Marashu, they would not get a no result, they would get a guilty.
Kuribo didn't stop the kill.
So where the fuck is it?
Nothing else stopped a kill.
And we mostly already agree that shooting Ircher is ??????

Here is my answer for you:

IT'S ALL ACCORDING TO KOHAKU

(Kohaku means plan)
Who's plan?
PBs.
Why does PB want to rush into night?
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO KIDNAP SOMEONE.
Why does he want to make sure he gets to D3 alive?

SO HE CAN LIE ABOUT HIS ROLE

What is he lying about

THE FACT THAT HE THINKS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHY THERE IS NO KILL.

Do we get it yet?
No?
Let me put it more simply.

PB NO KILLED SO HE COULD MAKE HIS CLAIM LOOK LIKE A VILLAGER CLAIM AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE WAS THE ONE THAT STOPPED THE KILL.
HE LIED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE BACK OR KILLING THEM. THIS MAKES HIS CLAIM LOOK TOWNIE BECAUSE IF HE CLAIMED THAT HE JUST KIDNAPPED PEOPLE AND

NOTHING ELSE

PEOPLE WOULD WANT HIS HEAD.
THAT WAS ALL TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS WORTH KEEPING HIM ALIVE TO TRY TO PROVE HE COULD DO THIS.
HE CAN'T DO THIS, IT'S BULLSHIT, HE JUST KIDNAPPS 2 PEOPLE.
THAT'S LITERALLY IT.
AND EVEN IF HE COULD STOP THE KILL, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO PROVE IT, AND THAT'S TO FLIP HIM

HE'S NOT A THIRD PARTY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH HOW HE'S BEEN PLAYING IT.
HE'S NOT A VILLAGER. HIS HAMMERS HAVE NO TOWN MOTIVATION BEHIND THEM
HE'S JUST MAFIA. THAT'S LITERALLY IT

LLD is even playing to this.

And Kokichi is just like, Gone so.

It's real weird that we have 2 flipless kills in this game, unless Kokichi does a houdini as their power?

but if Kokichi did a houdini where's the scum kill?

There's obviously not a good explanation for why there was no kill n1, so this is a very good setup for when PB actually goes through with his claim. Obviously since from what village knows, we don't know what stopped the kill. It wasn't Kuribo. Wolves know this, we know this, so who what's going on?
Well, obviously, wolves want want to have us believe that PB when they claim is telling the truth, as nothing else could POSSIBLY make sense otherwise!

I would encourage to try to think about exactly

who

submits a block on Cephrir and a redirect on me to the miller.
There are exactly only

2 alive players

that have the potential to submit actions like these.
LLD. The other is me, who was the target of redirection.
These wolf actions are the actions taken by a competent wolf team. A wolf team that knows and understands how to get the most out of their powers. Simply put, it uses all of their abilities in the best ways possible.
LLD has so much motive to direct our actions. She doesn't have much information about the setup, but I would like to make the prediction that a wolf!LLD thinks that the two villagers to most likely try to check her out with powers would be me and Cephir.
To really understand this, you have to understand LLD.
LLD is one of the best wolf players on site. It is reasonable for her to expect people to want to target her with night actions and to use those to figure her out instead of actually trying to form a read. If you're a cop, she's an awesome cop check, and I bet she knows this. It's hard to deny that if you can use a night action to solve LLD over actually forming a read, one will use the night action to sort LLD, as it's lazier and less likely to fail.
If LLD is a wolf, she will do anything in her power to not die. If she has a teammate she knows can go deep with her, her and her teammate will do everything in their power to try to prevent one another from flipping.

Anyway, I don't think there's really much to talk about D2. D2 wasn't a wolf controlled day phase.
I ask PB to put Marashu in hammer range, while also POSTING THIS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR LATER

pb can you vote marashu
I want your vote on the biggest wagon at all times
no more funny hammers from you mister

IF PB IS TOWN, THIS INDICATES THAT IF THEY THROW DOWN ANY MORE HAMMERS, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES.
This is a post from me indicating I want PB's vote in play at all times and this is ONLY cared about during D2.
Obviously when D3 comes, PB claims and there's a whole bunch of noise and it's pretty easy to forget about this detail.

But here's a detail that also really gets me.
Say you're a villager right, you had one bad hammer, right?
Generally speaking they're going to feel bad but they'll also demonstrate that with their actions.
I mean like, if I was a villager and I had a pretty bad hammer on someone D1 and it caused D1 to end abruptly, and maybe this is actually just a me thing but wouldn't a townie who genuinely felt bad for their hammer try to take steps to make sure that they don't do it again?
I mean like, if they really felt bad and felt like they made a mistake, wouldn't they wanna go out of their way to like, not make that mistake again?
But wouldn't this also mean making sure your vote was in play at all times?
I mean, if you were really genuine about not wanting to make a mistake after such a hammer like that D1, usually when people make mistakes they try not to make them again.
But PB kept his vote on not voting during D2, he kept it on not voting till D3 when I voted Ircher and he immediately hammered
and even right now, as we speak, even though he should (probably) be voting SAS, he's not?

I find it really hard to justify negligence here.

Anyway Marashu seemed like they had no interest in posting content, in fact they were probably just waiting to be put in hammer range so they could self and they could go to night, allowing PB can make a play.

VOTE: Marashu

I leave the rest to you.

Seems like wolves really wanted to go to night!

THE NIGHT 2 REDIRECT

So why Redirect Flea to Wave?
Simple really.
Wolves think they can't interact with me.
They want to kill dragons.
PB is kidnapping PP
Flea hinted at faer masks being powerful.
I bet that LLD wanted to make Ircher LOOK like the redirector. I don't think there is any better target.
Wolves don't really know anything else and generally I think wolves are going to work off of what they know rather than what they don't.

Their claim is pretty sus, villagers, WAVE in particular, is attempting to poke holes at Ircher.
I think wolves goal is to make Ircher look like the redirector.
If they know I'm a vig who shot Ircher, they already know he's bulletproof, as they know they redirected my shot to Ircher.
So they know that if Ircher tries to claim it will make their claim look bad.
Wave recieving Flea's mask I think is geared towards making Wave think this as well.

Their only problem is that Ircher didn't really push it. They can't mind control Ircher to push it but wolves I think can make the assumption that since Ircher is town, his wave fos is real, and Ircher will want to continue to push Wave.

When you think about it that way, it sure does beat using the redirector blind to try to find somethin.

There's also the argument that wolves bought that Flea gave out powerful masks and wanted one of them, but like
if this is what Wave was going to do, why is he claiming it?
If he's a wolf, doesn't he just keep the information about the redirector hidden?
In fact, it's this very action that exposes the redirector. To give that information to town really helps them put together so many of the pieces. If it's just kept hidden, we NEVER know why the night 1 kill didn't happen. There's genuinely no good explanation. Well actually it would be that PB is town and telling the truth, but how does that explain my vig shot?
Idunno, maybe wave thinks that we would have eventually figured it out?
But Idunno, I don't see why he even gives us that information in the first place. Just seems unnecessary to me, idunno.

DAYPLAY - DAY 3

This is the day where PB claims, and there's a lot of noise from different people about what PB is.
We already covered most of what the other villagers thought during day 3, but let's bring it back up again.
Ali - Gullably believed that the claim could be proven and thus, wanted to keep PB alive.
Flea - Didn't exist.
Wave - Thought PB was a third party.
SAS - Kept pushing PB, suggesting he was a third party, while also pushing LLD for being mafia.
Ircher - Wants to go to the dead thread.
Kuribo - Wanted to kill Ircher, thought PB didn't make sense as a third party.

LLD - Starts out by saying PB's claim is too strong to be town.
Ends on PB is at best town, doesn't make sense for being a third party.

Isn't it convenient how when if we assume PB is mafia and we re-read this day phase, LLD and PB vs SAS looks like

coordinated team play

from LLD and PB?
Huh
ain't that funny.

DAYPLAY - LLD is aligned with the mafia

And if we re-read D3 in particular to look for who is playing to a wolf wincon, isn't funny that the only realistic answer we get here is LLD?
I mean she REALLY wanted Ircher dead!
She said she would go to PB but I think she knew that the thread would lean towards Ircher > PB given the nature of PB's claim and how there might be people in the village who would want to prove something like that.

Also just look at her interactions with me and how she's trying to sell me SAS' actions coming from a wolf.

She even used her doublevote early before I got a chance to ask if we could test if she could use it to hammer or not and posted this

So it would fail and I wouldn't have it

Is this a bad thing?

Yes? I am not just your drone and you aren't in charge of this town, lol.

I have my double vote for a reason it is my LITERAL AVTUAL ONLY POWER so uh.
Yeah I don't really give a shit if you are telling me to waste it.

And it sure is funny how

I'M THE ONE THAT'S DOING ALL OF THIS SETUP SPEC BUT SHE'S HASN'T LOOKED AT ANY OF IT TO TRY TO SOLVE.

As soon as I come into thread today and say "hey, I lean LLD"
She IMMEDIATELY comes at me with the "ITS ALI AND SAS" solve.
"OH HERES THE FLIP"

Anyway, I think I'm forgetting something...
THAT'S RIGHT.

DAYPLAY - PB'S D3 HAMMER HAS 0 TOWN MOTIVATION

VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Ircher before I get heated again with the shitty attitude from SAS

I’m targeting SAS no matter what Ircher flips

This is a hammer that comes from someone that knows what he's doing.
He's counting the votes. I believe he even mentioned this during this D3 that he actively knew what the votecount looked like at all times.
I put a vote down, like D1, he immediately puts his vote down, and then indicates that he's always targetting SAS regardless of the flip.
Him implying there'll be a flip is a weird post in relation to what's going on.
Why?

BECAUSE PB KNEW THE DAY WOULD BE ENDING. EVERYONE ELSE CONTINUED TO PLAY AS IF THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE VOTECOUNT. PB DIDN'T MENTION AT ALL THE DAY WAS ENDING AND JUST CONTINUE TO LET EVERYONE ELSE POST UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT DAY WAS STILL GOING ON

This is a

BIG DEAL

to me because I remember the thread lock coming in and the day ending being extremely surprising and shocking to me. It caught me extremely off guard, so off-guard, that even though I was probably unlikely to be a kill if LLD was a wolf, I still needed to pop my mask to make sure I was alive for the next day phase.
I mean look at this vc. I'll color it in for everyone.

Votecount 3.1

Ircher (5) -

kuribo

, Lady Lambdadelta, Lady Lambdadelta,

Alisae

, Pink Ball
Pink Ball (2) -

Ircher, Stephen A Smith

Not voting (2) -

Wavelength, Flea the Magician

(expired on 2023-03-15 21:06:00) remain until day end

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

And my, isn't that super similar to the final D1 votecount where LLD and PB are on a town wagon?
NO WAY
it's almost like they're teammates!

Like, it's really hard to justify these hammers coming from town, especially this last hammer.

So how does the rest of the game play out

Ez, LLD always flips wolf and has to go.
If PB is actually town, then the only person I can think of who might be a wolf with them is Wave and it would probably be because they're actually just a rolecop who copped SAS N1 so LLD knew what claim to fake.
But he shouldn't be.
No shot that someone who IMMEDIATELY after I vote Ircher drops a hammer on him is town.
Nuh uh.
PB dies next, if he's town, the people he kidnapped should just come back into thread, we get wave the next day but honestly game should just be over with LLD and PB dead.

[Alisae]

LLD is town setupwise

[Alisae]

Tho ya know, I don't really expect to convince you?
Like
You're not going to vote LLD
I just know it.
In fact, I bet if I immediately voted SAS right now you would hammer

[Alisae]

In fact
if both SAS and LLD were town
this game would probably be over?
SAS rep'd out and kept his vote on LLD.

[Alisae]

Anyway I can't think of the life of me who SAS' partner would be.
I think a much more simpler explanation is that he just doesn't have one.

Unless we're going to argue that I'm the redirector here.

[Alisae]

I’m not JunkoChan sorry

[Alisae]

That would be gamethrowing

[Alisae]

I think if pb is 3rd party he literally cannot win this game if we elim wolves today and he has a wolf in his succ ability

I meaaaaaan I could argue that by play I make no sense as 3rd party but I've been accused of faking reads, being bad town, being bad scum and now I'm bad 3rd party so I'll just take the L, wait until the game ends, see what happened with night actions and realize I was actually MVP

Wait is this a wolf slip

[Alisae]

Honestly I might just post a whole page of Meows.

Like it's just 25 posts of only me Meowing.

LLD with the cover up

[Alisae]

Nah it’s not
Thought maybe LLD used her ability to cover it up
That would be funny though
I remember trying to spampost to cover up my own mistakes.
I didn’t get away with it

[Alisae]

Redirecting flea to you seems so bad though

Speaking of, I want my target to claim, unless I already missed it.

Wave claimed already

[Alisae]

Man playing against wolf LLD is so stressful cuz literally whenever I’m a villager i find myself in situations where I just want to hand the game to her on a sliver platter and want to trust her, and it’s not like she’s going to make it easy for me to kill her if she’s a wolf.

Like this why I imagine LLD would want to have me succ is because LLD can’t predict if I’ll wolfside or if I’ll just go along with what she wants me to do but still then why not succ wave?
Like if LLD is a wolf here, she did the steps necessary to come in and set up he worldview today

Anyway ya let’s wait, this is where I’m leaning now but I wonder if I’ll still feel this way later.

skimming up somewhere, this is a mood.
LLD is an absolute force to be reckoned with.

And yet despite all this, there's something not quite sitting right with me. And its something I'll need to look over. I know LLD's scum range is better than mine - and mine doesn't exist.

Read my case

[Alisae]

Redirecting flea to you seems so bad though

Speaking of, I want my target to claim, unless I already missed it.

Wave claimed already

Awesome will go back and find it.

Page 69 and post under it

[Alisae]

To first understand the game, we must understand who are the Villagers

.
PP and Kokichi are both town I don't think we really need to talk to much about it.
PP when town usually just posts whatever is on his mind and this game he's shown that. It doesn't really make sense for him to be a wolf with SAS and confirm the nature of PB's role, if he's a wolf with LLD, that means all 3 wolves are in a neighborhood and have a shit ton of power.
Kokichi's D1 is pretty townie and Marashu saying their odd is likely +Town for Kokichi.

Kuribo Ircher Amici Dragons are all flipped town obv.

Flea had townie night actions. They gave me a mask and honestly, this game comes across as if fae is just playing their own game.

I'm obviously town, I'm really not in my wolf game here at all and I think I have played a game where every single minute of it I have shown that I am actively solving. But we can dive more into that as we talk about setup as it's hard to talk about my role w/o talking about Marashu's
Wave is also pretty town by play however if PB is actually town, they're the last wolf. Again we'll get to this as we talk about the setup.

This only leaves SAS.
I think SAS is a villager with their play tbh. I don't think their D1 push on PB is wolfy but rather something that comes from town. Most players were in agreement that it seemed like they believed that they actually had this read.
I think the way they've played D2 makes sense from a villager's PoE
And honestly, I think I'm fine w/ their D3?
I would like to point out that

THEY ARE THE ONLY ACTIVE PERSON THAT IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL PB

AT

ALL

STAGES OF THE GAME

Now, one could argue that this is a wolf who wants to avoid forming other reads.
BUT this is the only player who actively went out of their way to say actively accuse PB of lying about bringing people back.
This is

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

.
During the course of D3 I was trying to keep PB alive.
Wave thought PB was a third party but had influence no how that day was decided.
Flea didn't exist.
Kuribo I don't recall exactly but he ended up voting Ircher
LLD used her doublevote on Ircher and while she said PB's role didn't make sense, she didn't do anything to actually try to get PB's body.
Ircher wanted to go to the Dead PT.

THE SETUP - Which one of these things is not like the other

I think I really only understood what was happening in this game once I wrote out what the entire setup was.

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
PB kidnapper
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD double vote + will
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor

We know there is a redirector due to night actions

Which one of these things aren't like the others?
Which one of these things just doesn't belong?
Can you tell me which thing just aren't like the others?
Before I finish th-
no this post long as shit I'll just tell you.

Well actually there's 2 accurate answers to this question.

1 - WHERE IS LLD'S NIGHT ACTION?
EVERY SINGLE PLAYER EXCEPT IRCHER CAN ACT AT NIGHT.
We KNOW there is a redirector, so who the fuck is the liar? SAS and Flea's roles are proven. PB is proven to have a PT. Only real answers here are Wave, Me, and LLD. If it was LLD, she would want you to believe it's Kokichi. Pure Comedy I tell ya.
Her Will cannot be proven without obtaining her corpse. Seems like a convenient fakeclaim.

2 - WHY DOES PB HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS?
Every single role has some kind of gate on it except I believe SAS, who's power is quite minimal so it's fine. Oh also there's Kokichi, honestly, I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think it's reasonable for him to be able to act every night. After all, the mafia roleblocker can act every night.
But, you're telling me that PB can not only block but ALSO protect someone from the night kill, take them away from the gamethread, and also bring them back/kill them?
And how the fuck does it interact with Ircher's BP?

With this in mind, let's try to digest this setup.

Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor
Ali 1-shot jan vig
Kokichi Strongwiller

Match.
It's lined up so Marashu has a similar claim to me and has something that makes me look more suspicious.
Lots of wine that could be played with this.
Oh also said said, Kokichi is directly Marashu's counter.

Kokichi Strongwiller
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker
Redirector

Another match
The Redirector here can redirect invests or anything to the miller and it's really good!
It even eats a bullet if they redirect killing to it!

Kokichi obviously makes sense to allow counterplay to the redirector and the miller has interactions with the Tracker and is meant for the Tracker.

kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
LLD

Match!
Well, mostly because they have the ability to summon the mod to post animals.
Note that one of these has a night action, the other claimed to not have a night action.

SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD Doublevote + last will

Match!
However these roles are VERY different from each other.
One has to perform 2 night actions!
The other performs 0 night actions!

Well that's the obvious difference.
Here's another one:
You can roleblock one of these players, but you cannot roleblock the other one of these players.

Let's talk about how their vote functions.

SAS is a lot more narrow. He has to wait for night to use it and it only gives him an extra vote vs 1 specific player.
LLD on the other hand has a lot more versatile role. She can use it D1, she can use it on ANYBODY. It's a neat little way to give her faction an extra vote for whatever purposes that they need and I think her role works better towards this.

Like okay imagine this
Say you're a wolf SAS right, let's say wolves want to go for an elimination on say Kuribo the next day.
They make Kuribo easier to vote, they force a claim out of him, and then he drops his claim, which I think, is pretty townie.
That feels really bad for wolf!SAS here doesn't it?

I mean in a sense, LLD's doublevote is kind of similar, but she can decide if she wants to drop it mid day phase where as SAS has to decide it at night?
Seems like it sucks a lot more if a wolf!SAS uses it than if a wolf!LLD uses it.

Also with how SAS was playing, his USERID and gimmick of rping a specific person, him even referencing the specific term blasphemous, CRUMBING THAT ITS HIS
Seems not likely with how he played it that he's a wolf.

Also, if LLD is a wolf, 250 words is a pretty specific part of the claim. I think this came out before SAS said his claim on D3.
This is...one of the things I can't answer? It lines up with SAS' claim.
If she's a wolf, ig she somehow was able to rolecop SAS and identify this? Wave stands out as a suspect who could be said rolecop but if it was like a mod provided fakeclaim or something I would buy it! I personally buy it being some type of like fakeclaim rather than Wave being a rolecop, that's a pretty hard pill to swallow tbh.

If we axe out LLD, PB, and Marashu's roles, here's what village looks like.

Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message

This is pretty investigation heavy!
Lots of townies have lots of things to catch if they were redirected.
PP and Amici have unique investgations, one is a follower, the other is a watcher.
Watcher is a very powerful role. And we killed it D1, while LLD did not care at all about the claim. No hesitation.
Wave can check to see who can kill. I bet if he checked PB, it he would a result that says PB can kill.
Obvs we went over the Tracker.
A full doctor that tells you if you stopped the kill is pretty powerful! I would kill to have that role.

This I would looks
actually reasonable for what village power looks like given what we know!

Oh also, ig you can like, look at how PB and LLD interacted with me listing out the claims and asking them if they notice anything.
One of them tried to pin Kokichi as the redirector despite how that's not even possible.
The other said "No sorry I don't see anything!"
Huh weird, they're pushing SAS, and haven't really done much legwork to try to actually tie up all of these loose ends.
Seems like they don't really want to either tbh.

I mean, I just don't get how something like this can suddenly make sense to me just by listing out the entire setup and trying to put the pieces together like some kind of logic puzzle, but the engagements that I got about it were not at all that great.

NOW, TO THE MEAT AND POTATOS

DAYPLAY - DAY 1

I'm townreading you and townleaning LLD, that's all I have for now

@Kokichi

SUPER EARLY TR ON LLD
I don't think anyone could even come to this conclusion this quickly.
Quite frankly, it's weird.

Votecount 1.2

Pink Ball (4) -

Stephen A Smith, Flea the Magician, Kokichi Oma, PenguinPower

Amici Curiae (4) - Lady Lambdadelta,

Here There Be Dragons, Alisae, Ircher

Alisae (1) -

Wavelength

Wavelength (1) -

Marashu

PenguinPower (1) -

Amici Curiae

Not voting (2) -

kuribo

, Pink Ball

(expired on 2023-03-11 22:58:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

there are too many people who need to be voting one of the two top wagons rn. preferably you vote the scum one but if you want to throw your lot in and claim scum by voting the townie one you're welcome to show that too.

so basically wavelength marashu kuribo, cause we can expect amici and pink to cross vote here.

The game is on you 3, let's see what your alignments are :3

I think the VC is notable so I colored it in.
This is LLD blatantly trying to direct votes onto Amici.
Here she says that you vote the scum one (Amici) but if you want to claim wolf you can vote the town one (PB)
PB did not recieve any further votes.
LLD doublevoted it.
Amici got more voters.
Only Kokichi was the one that was like "if we wanna kill actual wolves we should vote PB" and by that point Amici had claimed, Wave votes it, and even Kuribo was going there.
But instead of any town actually sending Amici to the shadow realm, who sends Amici to the Shadow Realm?
PB.
When do they do it.

VOTE: Amici Curiae

VOTE: Amici Curiae

IMMEDIATELY AFTER WAVE VOTES HIM
WITH NOTHING SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS
HE JUST DROPS ITS LIKE A BIG OL SURPRISE
WHAT THE FUCK

Another thing I REALLY want to point out about this D1 is LLD vs Amici.
Specifically when Amici claimed.
Let's look at how some players interacted with Amici post claim.
Kokichi - Posts intent to hammer if they get one more vote. THIS IS WHAT MOST TOWNIES DO WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAMMER.
Wave - Votes it cuz they claimed flavor cop and they also have flavor cop shots. They also were actively pro-town during twilight, its one of the best reasons to TR them this game.
Dragons - Asks about RH
Kuribo - Grilled it and wanted them to post content.
Ali - Showed hestiation w/ "I don't know how to respond to the fact a watcher just claimed infront of me" but kept the vote on them.
LLD - Complete opposite of me. They knew that they wanted them dead.

Ya know, it's really interesting how you have 1 person posting intent, another voting cuz they claimed something similar, a townie trying to get reads, another one wondering where is one head of the hydra, me showing hesitation, but LLD wanting to kill it.
Like think about this, how come we have people trying to get stuff out of the player, and some showing hesitation because Watcher is quite a powerful role, but to LLD she doesn't care about any of these things. She only wants MURDER.
They even "believed" that Amici would actually flip wolf.
This isn't really something that was ever revisited. Like, they kind of just got to kill Amici for free and everyone went along with.
But like, if we think about it, who really is the wolf here?

Votecount 1.4

Amici Curiae (7) - Lady Lambdadelta, Lady Lambdadelta,

Here There Be Dragons, Alisae, Ircher, Wavelength

, Pink Ball
Pink Ball (5) -

Stephen A Smith, Flea the Magician, Kokichi Oma, PenguinPower, Amici Curiae

Wavelength (1) -

Marashu

Not voting (1) -

kuribo

(expired on 2023-03-11 22:58:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

I have a hard time really seeing anyone but LLD/PB as the main players here.
Like you have one guy who is saying they will hammer but also we could kill the actual wolves, but you have another that immediately snipes the hammer at the soonest opportunity.
Really makes ya wonder.

NIGHT 1 - WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NIGHTKILL

I probably got redirected to Ircher and popped his BP. We know this because Flea targetted me and I got her mask. If it was a deflector targetting Marashu and deflecting onto Ircher, Ircher would have gotten the mask.
Ceph got blocked by Marashu. If there was a deflector targetting Marashu, they would not get a no result, they would get a guilty.
Kuribo didn't stop the kill.
So where the fuck is it?
Nothing else stopped a kill.
And we mostly already agree that shooting Ircher is ??????

Here is my answer for you:

IT'S ALL ACCORDING TO KOHAKU

(Kohaku means plan)
Who's plan?
PBs.
Why does PB want to rush into night?
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO KIDNAP SOMEONE.
Why does he want to make sure he gets to D3 alive?

SO HE CAN LIE ABOUT HIS ROLE

What is he lying about

THE FACT THAT HE THINKS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHY THERE IS NO KILL.

Do we get it yet?
No?
Let me put it more simply.

PB NO KILLED SO HE COULD MAKE HIS CLAIM LOOK LIKE A VILLAGER CLAIM AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE WAS THE ONE THAT STOPPED THE KILL.
HE LIED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE BACK OR KILLING THEM. THIS MAKES HIS CLAIM LOOK TOWNIE BECAUSE IF HE CLAIMED THAT HE JUST KIDNAPPED PEOPLE AND

NOTHING ELSE

PEOPLE WOULD WANT HIS HEAD.
THAT WAS ALL TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS WORTH KEEPING HIM ALIVE TO TRY TO PROVE HE COULD DO THIS.
HE CAN'T DO THIS, IT'S BULLSHIT, HE JUST KIDNAPPS 2 PEOPLE.
THAT'S LITERALLY IT.
AND EVEN IF HE COULD STOP THE KILL, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO PROVE IT, AND THAT'S TO FLIP HIM

HE'S NOT A THIRD PARTY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH HOW HE'S BEEN PLAYING IT.
HE'S NOT A VILLAGER. HIS HAMMERS HAVE NO TOWN MOTIVATION BEHIND THEM
HE'S JUST MAFIA. THAT'S LITERALLY IT

LLD is even playing to this.

And Kokichi is just like, Gone so.

It's real weird that we have 2 flipless kills in this game, unless Kokichi does a houdini as their power?

but if Kokichi did a houdini where's the scum kill?

There's obviously not a good explanation for why there was no kill n1, so this is a very good setup for when PB actually goes through with his claim. Obviously since from what village knows, we don't know what stopped the kill. It wasn't Kuribo. Wolves know this, we know this, so who what's going on?
Well, obviously, wolves want want to have us believe that PB when they claim is telling the truth, as nothing else could POSSIBLY make sense otherwise!

I would encourage to try to think about exactly

who

submits a block on Cephrir and a redirect on me to the miller.
There are exactly only

2 alive players

that have the potential to submit actions like these.
LLD. The other is me, who was the target of redirection.
These wolf actions are the actions taken by a competent wolf team. A wolf team that knows and understands how to get the most out of their powers. Simply put, it uses all of their abilities in the best ways possible.
LLD has so much motive to direct our actions. She doesn't have much information about the setup, but I would like to make the prediction that a wolf!LLD thinks that the two villagers to most likely try to check her out with powers would be me and Cephir.
To really understand this, you have to understand LLD.
LLD is one of the best wolf players on site. It is reasonable for her to expect people to want to target her with night actions and to use those to figure her out instead of actually trying to form a read. If you're a cop, she's an awesome cop check, and I bet she knows this. It's hard to deny that if you can use a night action to solve LLD over actually forming a read, one will use the night action to sort LLD, as it's lazier and less likely to fail.
If LLD is a wolf, she will do anything in her power to not die. If she has a teammate she knows can go deep with her, her and her teammate will do everything in their power to try to prevent one another from flipping.

Anyway, I don't think there's really much to talk about D2. D2 wasn't a wolf controlled day phase.
I ask PB to put Marashu in hammer range, while also POSTING THIS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR LATER

pb can you vote marashu
I want your vote on the biggest wagon at all times
no more funny hammers from you mister

IF PB IS TOWN, THIS INDICATES THAT IF THEY THROW DOWN ANY MORE HAMMERS, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES.
This is a post from me indicating I want PB's vote in play at all times and this is ONLY cared about during D2.
Obviously when D3 comes, PB claims and there's a whole bunch of noise and it's pretty easy to forget about this detail.

But here's a detail that also really gets me.
Say you're a villager right, you had one bad hammer, right?
Generally speaking they're going to feel bad but they'll also demonstrate that with their actions.
I mean like, if I was a villager and I had a pretty bad hammer on someone D1 and it caused D1 to end abruptly, and maybe this is actually just a me thing but wouldn't a townie who genuinely felt bad for their hammer try to take steps to make sure that they don't do it again?
I mean like, if they really felt bad and felt like they made a mistake, wouldn't they wanna go out of their way to like, not make that mistake again?
But wouldn't this also mean making sure your vote was in play at all times?
I mean, if you were really genuine about not wanting to make a mistake after such a hammer like that D1, usually when people make mistakes they try not to make them again.
But PB kept his vote on not voting during D2, he kept it on not voting till D3 when I voted Ircher and he immediately hammered
and even right now, as we speak, even though he should (probably) be voting SAS, he's not?

I find it really hard to justify negligence here.

Anyway Marashu seemed like they had no interest in posting content, in fact they were probably just waiting to be put in hammer range so they could self and they could go to night, allowing PB can make a play.

VOTE: Marashu

I leave the rest to you.

Seems like wolves really wanted to go to night!

THE NIGHT 2 REDIRECT

So why Redirect Flea to Wave?
Simple really.
Wolves think they can't interact with me.
They want to kill dragons.
PB is kidnapping PP
Flea hinted at faer masks being powerful.
I bet that LLD wanted to make Ircher LOOK like the redirector. I don't think there is any better target.
Wolves don't really know anything else and generally I think wolves are going to work off of what they know rather than what they don't.

Their claim is pretty sus, villagers, WAVE in particular, is attempting to poke holes at Ircher.
I think wolves goal is to make Ircher look like the redirector.
If they know I'm a vig who shot Ircher, they already know he's bulletproof, as they know they redirected my shot to Ircher.
So they know that if Ircher tries to claim it will make their claim look bad.
Wave recieving Flea's mask I think is geared towards making Wave think this as well.

Their only problem is that Ircher didn't really push it. They can't mind control Ircher to push it but wolves I think can make the assumption that since Ircher is town, his wave fos is real, and Ircher will want to continue to push Wave.

When you think about it that way, it sure does beat using the redirector blind to try to find somethin.

There's also the argument that wolves bought that Flea gave out powerful masks and wanted one of them, but like
if this is what Wave was going to do, why is he claiming it?
If he's a wolf, doesn't he just keep the information about the redirector hidden?
In fact, it's this very action that exposes the redirector. To give that information to town really helps them put together so many of the pieces. If it's just kept hidden, we NEVER know why the night 1 kill didn't happen. There's genuinely no good explanation. Well actually it would be that PB is town and telling the truth, but how does that explain my vig shot?
Idunno, maybe wave thinks that we would have eventually figured it out?
But Idunno, I don't see why he even gives us that information in the first place. Just seems unnecessary to me, idunno.

DAYPLAY - DAY 3

This is the day where PB claims, and there's a lot of noise from different people about what PB is.
We already covered most of what the other villagers thought during day 3, but let's bring it back up again.
Ali - Gullably believed that the claim could be proven and thus, wanted to keep PB alive.
Flea - Didn't exist.
Wave - Thought PB was a third party.
SAS - Kept pushing PB, suggesting he was a third party, while also pushing LLD for being mafia.
Ircher - Wants to go to the dead thread.
Kuribo - Wanted to kill Ircher, thought PB didn't make sense as a third party.

LLD - Starts out by saying PB's claim is too strong to be town.
Ends on PB is at best town, doesn't make sense for being a third party.

Isn't it convenient how when if we assume PB is mafia and we re-read this day phase, LLD and PB vs SAS looks like

coordinated team play

from LLD and PB?
Huh
ain't that funny.

DAYPLAY - LLD is aligned with the mafia

And if we re-read D3 in particular to look for who is playing to a wolf wincon, isn't funny that the only realistic answer we get here is LLD?
I mean she REALLY wanted Ircher dead!
She said she would go to PB but I think she knew that the thread would lean towards Ircher > PB given the nature of PB's claim and how there might be people in the village who would want to prove something like that.

Also just look at her interactions with me and how she's trying to sell me SAS' actions coming from a wolf.

She even used her doublevote early before I got a chance to ask if we could test if she could use it to hammer or not and posted this

So it would fail and I wouldn't have it

Is this a bad thing?

Yes? I am not just your drone and you aren't in charge of this town, lol.

I have my double vote for a reason it is my LITERAL AVTUAL ONLY POWER so uh.
Yeah I don't really give a shit if you are telling me to waste it.

And it sure is funny how

I'M THE ONE THAT'S DOING ALL OF THIS SETUP SPEC BUT SHE'S HASN'T LOOKED AT ANY OF IT TO TRY TO SOLVE.

As soon as I come into thread today and say "hey, I lean LLD"
She IMMEDIATELY comes at me with the "ITS ALI AND SAS" solve.
"OH HERES THE FLIP"

Anyway, I think I'm forgetting something...
THAT'S RIGHT.

DAYPLAY - PB'S D3 HAMMER HAS 0 TOWN MOTIVATION

VOTE: ircher

VOTE: Ircher before I get heated again with the shitty attitude from SAS

I’m targeting SAS no matter what Ircher flips

This is a hammer that comes from someone that knows what he's doing.
He's counting the votes. I believe he even mentioned this during this D3 that he actively knew what the votecount looked like at all times.
I put a vote down, like D1, he immediately puts his vote down, and then indicates that he's always targetting SAS regardless of the flip.
Him implying there'll be a flip is a weird post in relation to what's going on.
Why?

BECAUSE PB KNEW THE DAY WOULD BE ENDING. EVERYONE ELSE CONTINUED TO PLAY AS IF THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE VOTECOUNT. PB DIDN'T MENTION AT ALL THE DAY WAS ENDING AND JUST CONTINUE TO LET EVERYONE ELSE POST UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT DAY WAS STILL GOING ON

This is a

BIG DEAL

to me because I remember the thread lock coming in and the day ending being extremely surprising and shocking to me. It caught me extremely off guard, so off-guard, that even though I was probably unlikely to be a kill if LLD was a wolf, I still needed to pop my mask to make sure I was alive for the next day phase.
I mean look at this vc. I'll color it in for everyone.

Votecount 3.1

Ircher (5) -

kuribo

, Lady Lambdadelta, Lady Lambdadelta,

Alisae

, Pink Ball
Pink Ball (2) -

Ircher, Stephen A Smith

Not voting (2) -

Wavelength, Flea the Magician

(expired on 2023-03-15 21:06:00) remain until day end

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

And my, isn't that super similar to the final D1 votecount where LLD and PB are on a town wagon?
NO WAY
it's almost like they're teammates!

Like, it's really hard to justify these hammers coming from town, especially this last hammer.

So how does the rest of the game play out

Ez, LLD always flips wolf and has to go.
If PB is actually town, then the only person I can think of who might be a wolf with them is Wave and it would probably be because they're actually just a rolecop who copped SAS N1 so LLD knew what claim to fake.
But he shouldn't be.
No shot that someone who IMMEDIATELY after I vote Ircher drops a hammer on him is town.
Nuh uh.
PB dies next, if he's town, the people he kidnapped should just come back into thread, we get wave the next day but honestly game should just be over with LLD and PB dead.

Oh another thing
I really should be adding this into the main post but

If you’re a redirector aligned with the mafia right?
I don’t think that’s something that can be claimed.
But a double vote?
That’s pretty safe to claim!

[Alisae]

Ali, I feel like I can see where most of your case is coming from, but I did have a couple questions.

This is the bigger one I think, but: If your solve is LLD+PB, why did you choose to kill LLD first? Like, if we are at 4:2, and we go for LLD and you are wrong, and she is town, we lose. But if we are at 4:2 right now, and we go for PB first and we are wrong, and he is town, then Kokichi and PP are released, and tomorrow is 4:2 again - so we would have gotten an extra shot at this with that path.

The lack of quick hammer makes me think that maybe it no longer makes sense for us to divert out of the Stephen v LLD at this point. (I kind of want to run some scenarios in my head for a bit to see if this makes any sense)

Smaller thing

if it was like a mod provided fakeclaim or something I would buy it!

Does anyone here have any mod meta on whether Cakez gives scum teams fake claims? If no one knows, I can do some looking

pb requires 4 votes including from the replaced out player.
LLD at the time requires 2 votes.

It’s pretty hard to move a vote from someone who isn’t in the game.
I think LLD is always a wolf in this game. To me she’s always paired with either PB or paired with you.
Ig you can just call it confidence?

[Alisae]

No quickhammer from flea, pb, or you

Sas has his vote in play and is gone

We should probably stick in SAS vs LLD

[Alisae]

Like I’d love to kill PB
But that requires waiting for a SAS replacement, convincing that SAS replacement to do it.

That’s literally impossible right now.

Also I think it only makes sense for either her to be the redirector or me. And I claimed vigi…
Like we both have the most convenient claims for the situation.

But like, this is just obv to me?
How does PB if town actually get a TR on LLD so early?
I mean that’s like, you’re TRing one of the strongest wolf players in the game based off of what?

[Alisae]

You want to kill pb cause it allows us to be wrong later down the line
I get it

[Alisae]

PB is obviously not a redirector.
So who is it?

[Alisae]

How do we actually kill pb
We can’t right now

[Alisae]

We don’t have the votes

[Alisae]

Well if we’re waiting then it doesn’t make that much of a difference?

[Alisae]

If pb was going to hammer he would have done it already, no?

[Alisae]

What world are we dealing with if LLD is town?
A SAS and PB wolfteam?

[Alisae]

What world are we dealing with if LLD is town?
A SAS and PB wolfteam?

Yes.

I was leaning SAS>LLD before your case.

reread the game and see if you still feel that way
I find that to be quite a hard pill to swallow and I’m pretty sure this game is over if that is the team, no?

[Alisae]

Like SAS and PB being the wolfteam implies that only 1 wolf was on d1 wagon and 1 on counter

[Alisae]

SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.

But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.

he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”

Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?

[Alisae]

What world are we dealing with if LLD is town?
A SAS and PB wolfteam?

Yes.

I was leaning SAS>LLD before your case.

I misread when I said Yes.

I was saying yes to SAS+Penguin Power, not PB

PP has no reason to confirm the existence of the PT. If he’s a wolf with Sas he leaves it ambiguous.
Attempting to get confirmation of the PT is LLD’s play, not PPs.

Heck honestly, we don’t even have proof that PP was the one who verified the PT existed, we can only go off of word of mouth of 2 players here

[Alisae]

SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.

But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.

he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”

Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?

I am going to stop using abbreviations, because you are not understanding me.

I do not think that the team is Stephen + PinkBall.

I think that it is possible that it is 3rd party pinkball and then group scum Stephen + maybe Penguin Power.

Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.

He’s not a third party.
PP is just town here, this is his village gameplay. It’s easier for PP to engage in thread when he can just say what he wants.

[Alisae]

Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.

And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.

Is incredibly frustrating.

Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.

Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.

You’re frustrated but I don’t entirely get how you think it could still be something like Sas + pp where I feel like I’ve explained where I’m coming from from d1 to now.

[Alisae]

U need to convince LLD to vote pink first.

[Alisae]

U don’t really have to convince me or flea we will go there
Heck, if flea votes it, I’ll vote it.

[Alisae]

Ok wave if this goes wrong
I’ll accept responsibility that comes with it?
Not much we can do now :/

[Alisae]

Back to bedge

[Alisae]

Wave surprised me with their scum game tbh

[Alisae]

I’m not used to playing with sks tbh

[Alisae]

Wave surprised me with their scum game tbh

Whenever I see ur pfp I feel like ur lookin at me with puppy dog eyes

[Alisae]

I also want to work on my role PM wording, which Alisae and a few others pointed to as confusing in a few spots and I completely agree! This is another thing I will be working on clarifying in my future games.

to be fair i did help with clarifying some stuff during review process, and they were a question away

Koba it wasn’t clear in my pm that I was 1-shot I think that could have been phrased better

[Alisae]

there could have been a comma between "once" and "at night" but i dont see how you can reasonably assume its every night, because it says "once at night" as if its normal to use more than 1 iteration of an action every night

asking for clarification from the game mod is a free action always

I am of the opinion that 1-shot should always specify that the ability can be used once per game.

Alianna in a normal game had the phrasing "Once per game, at night,"
Datisi in hollowed night listed how many users players had of their ability. In a normal game for a 3-shot jk they wrote "each night, but only three times, you may target a player."

[Alisae]

Something I think that's very interesting to think about is a lot of people I feel like write Role PMs differently

[Alisae]

users

this should be uses.
dysgraphia diff

[Alisae]

Apologies to anyone who was upset by my play in this game - I am truly sorry this happened.

fwiw, I think you were fine in game and I think currently you mean what you say and were deeply affected by what happened here.