biancospino's Mini Normal Review, March 2023 (Released)

[mastina]

While I like the idea, I feel like a setup of almost exclusively enablers crosses the line into being more of a theme mechanic. Will wait for Datisi's feedback there though.

[mastina]

i''ll wait to see what mastina thinks

I'm too dumb rn to process changes to the setup in words, could the proposed ideas of changes you're thinking of be typed out? (That format my brain can process.)

WOLVES

1 Werewolf Jailkeeper-Enabler disloyal Unstoppable
1 Werewolf Watcher-Enabler Ninja
1 TrafficAnalyst-Enabler Bulletproof Tracker lazy Traitor

VILLAGE

1 Jailkeeper
1 Watcher
1 novice TrafficAnalyst
1 Informed Neapolitan-Enabler (loyal Alien)-Enabler Tracker-Enabler
(at least a majority of enabled roles exist in the setup)
6 Villagers

PUBLIC INFO

There is at least one Traitor.
More than half of the players have a power role.

SETTINGS

multitasking on
daytalk on

(I also thought of making the Village Enabler

also

a Seer-Enabler to be extra evil, but in the end maybe not, that would be a tad bastardly)

I'm a bit tired but first instinct is this is scumsided.

I'll give it a night's sleep and be back tomorrow to review.

[mastina]

mastina, do you think a setup like the one in 19 or 21 would be passable as normal, considering the number of enablers it has? i'm leaning on "no", but i'm not sure if i'm being too strict

I think 4

might

be passable as normal, at least situationally. Five or more is almost certainly going too far imo.

Ideally, it'd be three or less tho.

[mastina]

RE: balance of the setups in 29, the first looks too scumsided, since the town's power roles are too countered by the scum.

The second is the opposite imo, as it does indeed give the town

too

much power.

[mastina]

34 is definitely townsided by a large margin.
Disloyal Alien shuts the scum down entirely (especially given a traitor), and can create follow the cop with the other TPRs--if the TPRs target the disloyal Alien target, them getting a result hard-clears them, elevating the investigatives to full-cops.

Multitasking invest for what are obviously scum roles is also rather strong.

[mastina]

"lazy traitor" is a role that hasn't ever been used (iirc).

It indeed has not been used, but a traitor with a mafia traitor-enabler has. (Same effect basically.)

Personally, I don't think that a traitor changing to a Goon should be allowed--but my personal opinion there can't stop me from doing my job (I can't say 'no' to a setup on the basis of me not liking the interaction and believing it shouldn't exist, when the interaction is legal; implosion explicitly gave the green light to a traitor with a traitor-enabler becoming groupscum and 'lazy' is identical in effect).

Basically I don't like the interaction; I don't think it should be legal. But despite my opinion, it IS legal, and because it IS legal, I can't say no to it (even if I want to).


With that in mind, 36 is legal, and closer to balanced imo, but still townsided.

Having the two finder roles as they are is the main issue.

My first suggestion is to break them up to have different mechanics/modifiers.
One idea would be to remove multitasking from one (and have it keep the unlimited shots), and keep multitasking on the other (but gate it, either on night or in shots).

E.g. hypothetically,
1 multitasking 2x BP-Finder 2x Finder-Finder
1 Enabler-Finder Informed-Finder

or

1 multitasking nonconsecutive BP-Finder nonconsecutive Finder-Finder
1 Enabler-Finder Informed-Finder

or

1 multitasking even-night BP-Finder even-night Finder-Finder
1 Enabler-Finder Informed-Finder

or

1 multitasking N2+3 BP-Finder N2+3 Finder-Finder
1 Enabler-Finder Informed-Finder

etc.

(Something along those lines. Which finder is which totally arbitrary.)

[mastina]

First thought on 42 is it's probably good, but I'd like Datisi to take a look over it as well.

[mastina]

Setup in 52 seems good to me, I'm having a bit of a flareup of a bad brain thing so am struggling to read details rn, but will read the roles to see anything needed shortly.

[mastina]

uh, sorry, i've been sick the past few days and thinking has been hard. i'll try to take a look at this today

This has been me, apologies.

Been sick for the last ten days, am normally much faster. Sorry for the delay.

The role PMs and results look good to me.

[mastina]

Then, provided Mastina approves of it, I'll use it

It would be for the better, yes.