Mini 2295 | Star Trek uPick - Fin!

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I guess I'm town

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So idk anything about startrek and I haven't read anything yet so I might be a bit slow

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Anyone here to babysit me?

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Spoiler:

Pretty sure it was established I'm a starship infesting snake.

You got it! Now where are all the others? Don't make me call a red alert!

VOTE: Kokichi

I have decided I will not be using contractions this game

I might sound weird

You're fine, it's the early game, you can wait at least a few days to develop a character trait like that.

All of my snake sisters have gotten temporaly displaced. As far as I know they might be in your childhood home while you were a wee baby.

Vote: Hebi

this is reaaaaalllly cheeky and comfortable which i don't expect you to be in town first game back for yourself

It's been four years and you have helped me chill out a lot. It's just personal growth.

also Black is probably town

but Hebi look scummy sowwy snek

Look gimme one night and I'll prove myself to you.

so you can shoot me in the face

right in my big bird beak?

oh jail for snek

jail for 1000 lightyears!

I literally can not shoot you even if I wanted to. I would shoot you night one if I were scum OR vig and you were not. But I don't know your alignment and I don't have a night kill.

also, i'm sorry you're scum =(

it's okay we can have fun together another game when you're not scum

I'm gonna stop interacting with you now cause I don't think you're scum and I'm not gonna be able to convince you by back and forthing this.

TL on lamb for this
hebi tryin to sound sincere

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VC 3.3

Porkens (3): petapan, Aureal, Lady Lambdadelta
Lady Lambdadelta (1): xyzzy
xyzzy (1): GreyICE

Not Voting (3):

Kokichi Oma, KawaiiKame, PenguinPower

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate

Deadline: Suspended at 3.5 days until a replacement for GreyICE is found

Mod Notes

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where is porken's vote go?
who is petapan

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uh we are playing a multiball?
where is everyone someone talk to me

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It sounds to me like hebi thought she was 3p because of the wording of her wincon and outed some info for town.
she even said there were 3 players in her faction which is the perfect number for scums in a 13 player setup
if theres another team then town is weak af

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petapan replaces KawaiiKame

wait petapan replaced you wtf

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It's so quiet that a ghost talked to me

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is inventor confirmed?
did anyone receive anything

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What exactly is "numerical parity with all other teams"? All others put together I would think? Not parity with both town and mafia separately?

And this neighborize former Borg thing doesn't actually add people to your faction?

No, it creates a separate qt from my faction qt. One of my other faction members is an inventor who can give borg players a One shot ability. But the third person in my qt is not a borg flavor wise or ability wise.

Also my flavor claim is Seven Of Nine

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If it's a good thing they probably wont give it to town but if its bad then some might receive it.

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I mean there is no reason for town to lie even if it made them look bad

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hey MB, GreyICE claimed to have a one-shot death immunity (but didn't clarify what stipulations were on that) and a miller modifier. I asked for some clarification on the flavor and details of both of those and never got it. could you please go into some details about that

I don't think I'm miller?
not sure what Grey claimed

I'm weyoung something

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is this a bastard game?

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I think grey got confused of the strange new world ability that every town got
idk why he thinks its miller
its making us look bad smh

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I'm still on page 12 but I won't be voting aureal
I think at most 1 scum buss hebi and other 1 is playing under the radar

porken/xyzzy possible 1 busser here
kawaii might be the other one idk they playing pretty sneaky

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VC 1.6

Black (4): Rogue, hebichan, Frogs, Wavelength
hebichan (3): Lady Lambdadelta, xyzzy, Porkens
xyzzy (3): Aureal, GreyICE, PenguinPower
KawaiiKame (1): Kokichi Oma
Frogs (1): Black

Not Voting (1):

KawaiiKame

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate

Deadline: April 2, Midnight Eastern Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-04-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes

• If you see vote count errors, please let me know.
  
• Wavelength is V/LA through March 25.
  
• Black is V/LA on weekends.
  
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if xyzzy is town here then I'd watch out for PP or porkens
If PP is town then maybe xyzzy and kawaii/kokichi

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lol tracker and my slot just outed cause of miller claim.

why did people believe
Does the host really include bastard roles without saying it's a bastard game?
that would be evil

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i wouldn't necessarily say stuff like this is in and of itself damning since scum can lay traps but combined with how porkens spoke about hebi + porkens's general blahness it looks really bad

You get TR for this post

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i wouldn't necessarily say stuff like this is in and of itself damning since scum can lay traps but combined with how porkens spoke about hebi + porkens's general blahness it looks really bad

You get TR for this post

He really should t. It’s just pointing at text and saying “this is bad” without explanation. See anyone can do it. This is bad.

I wasn't talking about that though
just the sentence I quoted

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hey MB, GreyICE claimed to have a one-shot death immunity (but didn't clarify what stipulations were on that) and a miller modifier. I asked for some clarification on the flavor and details of both of those and never got it. could you please go into some details about that

the fact that this is the only thing xyzzy feels compelled to comment on after a million years just feels incredibly scummy

like, i would expect town to be concerned about the mechanics, i'm not faulting that

but it feels like they don't have anything else they're interested in and they're just hiding behind this mechanical confusion in lieu of actually doing anything

I have a specific reason to be curious about this that I'd like to not get into until I have an answer; GreyICE avoided my question, and I think it'll be very telling if MB chooses to do the same.

I was gonna go into details but after I thought about it I don't really want to
there might be benefits on keeping it hidden.
If people have good reason to believe I'm scum then I might

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xyzzy why are you voting lamb

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VC 1.6

Black (4): Rogue, hebichan, Frogs, Wavelength
hebichan (3): Lady Lambdadelta, xyzzy, Porkens
xyzzy (3): Aureal, GreyICE, PenguinPower
KawaiiKame (1): Kokichi Oma
Frogs (1): Black

Not Voting (1):

KawaiiKame

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate

Deadline: April 2, Midnight Eastern Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-04-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes

• If you see vote count errors, please let me know.
  
• Wavelength is V/LA through March 25.
  
• Black is V/LA on weekends.
  
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this vc should give you alot of info if you're town xyzzy
We know black's wagon is pure aside from hebi
if you're town then you should be more concerned about your voters other than a possible busser.

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I'll take the deal. I don't have any interest in you dying. Barring you flipping scum of course, but I don't think you will?

Didn't you say in 41 that you'd shoot her if you were a vig? Which I believe is part of the reason she's been scumreading you?

That's not why she's scumreading me and we were both on edibles when I posted that. But that's just one of the we have about her being to good to leave alive as any alignment.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: black

Aureal got real

this is the reason why I said I won't be voting aureal earlier.
the vote on black after aureal suspected them
then the

aureal got real

afterwards sounds so pockety

maybe not that strong now that I have read more but still worth a tl

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Idk wtf porkens is talking about I honestly can't comprehend that post
He had LLD as top town before that post

Lady Lambdadelta

Wavelength

Rogue (hydra of Malakittens and notscience)

Kokichi Oma
xyzzy
PenguinPower
KawaiiKame

Aureal

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I'm kinda buying Rogue's claim for *reasons*

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: Aureal still prefer

So that vote just came in out of nowhere
the only way it makes sense is that it's a last distancing attempt before getting eliminated
or he's just scum and his posts are not suppose to make sense

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v]Porkens[/v]

that's L-1
did porkens already claim?

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VOTE: Porkens
there

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just claim

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why would you give a shot your scumread what

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I basically give you another charge of your one shot by “repairing” the lost one to use or block.

Did lamb ever claimed that they're only one shot?

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Once per game I can target a player to refund an action that has failed for any reason.

That’s different than the general game rule once per game

iff blocked

only actions that failed? how about ones that were used?


who did you target night 1?

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yeah that role sounds pretty weak and hard to use
maybe you've got another ability maybe inventor something idk

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No shot you only got 1 weak ability and it's 1 shot
look at all the flipped towns roles

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No it’s really pog it cancels any skill failure in the game that’s huge

Probably not even half the town have an active limited shot ability

To use your role
First you have to find town
Second find someone who got an active ability
Third make sure you target someone who used this ability the same night
Fourth You only got 1 shot ONE FKING SHOT to make this happen
and it doesn't even refund shots only the ones that failed

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If I got that role I would be complaining not defend it sayings that its pog

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yeah that role sounds pretty weak and hard to use
maybe you've got another ability maybe inventor something idk

he really was inventor kek
last wolf likely a roleblocker

gg lamb

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locking petapan as town
I want to TR xyzzy cause I'm doubting that hebi gives up that easily and claim in
5 3 3 wagons if her two scum mates are bussing her so yeah

still have to read porkens iso
I'll do it later

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locking petapan as town
I want to TR xyzzy cause I'm doubting that hebi gives up that easily and claim in
5 3 3 wagons if her two scum mates are bussing her so yeah

still have to read porkens iso
I'll do it later

actually nvm
xyzzy is one of counterwagons to hebi and it looked like he wanted out of the hebi but never found the right timing to do so.
He voted hebi but his iso looks like he doesnt even scumread her

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Well, that kill feels like scum has basically given up and just decided to revenge kill the person who messed their game up now that she finally got talked back into going a better direction afterwards.

I don't think it's likely to be xyzzy. My money's still here: VOTE: Kokichi Oma

Also STOP MISGENDERING XYZZY

probably

I'm mobile posting and I sometimes forget pronouns sorry

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any votes after hebi outed doesn't deserve any towncred

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Kokichi's iso kind of looks good
only these few things I didn't like and also the push on kawaii which I think is town

H-How could you call me out like this. A-After all we've been through.

It feels a little scummy to ask everyone what they think about the entrances but not give any thoughts on them yourself

That's very valid, but one thing that has come out of this is that you're town this game. At least it worked out

I don't think Pork is scum anymore

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lazy read but auriel is probably just town
locking it in unless its f3

so xyzzzy/Penguin/Kokichi

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So tomorrow could be an f4 elo if we miss scum so maybe we should massclaim now

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penguin sounds like a lets elim xyzzy bot

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Wait miller really exist?
I'm 100% not miller
unless this game is very bastard and I'm not informed about it in my role

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I got a question to xyzzy
if you know you're a miller then why didn't you claim it at d1?
thats 100% should be your first posts of the game instead of a flavor hint

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I'm tempted to elim xyzzy just for holding unto a miller claim until d4
imagine if the town cop outed because they checked xyzzy and it turned that they were just a town miller
It would have been disastrous

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I’m confused why you think miller would trip a motion detector?

because most of the millers i've seen in recent games trip tracking style roles?

like, it's an investigative, millers are meant to give false investigative results.

I feel pretty confident saying that if GreyICE is a miller, that's not how the role works.

this post kinda confirmed that xyzzy know well how miller works

then they should know that its a must to claim it right away if they're town

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VOTE: xyzzy[/]
not unvoting unless I get a satisfactory answer

I swear if this is scum then they all trolled with their claims

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fck
VOTE: xyzzy[/]

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maybe we dont even have cops

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Maybe that makes more sense as a ploy though, if they figured that ability meant there was a motion detector to bait out?

I don't think they thought that far considering how porken's haven't even thought of a good fake claim

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I got a question to xyzzy
if you know you're a miller then why didn't you claim it at d1?
thats 100% should be your first posts of the game instead of a flavor hint

it would've been good for the town if I'd been the target of a night kill; if I claim miller, scum is directly incentivized to leave me alone. I'm also not convinced it would've been at all beneficial to the town — a miller claim is inherently super WIFOM-y. there's obviously the drawback that an investigative role might waste a night checking me instead of just assuming I'd for sure come up scum, but that drawback doesn't outweigh the benefit of possibly blanking a night kill imo.

tanking a night kill is 100% not worth it compared to possibly outing our investigatives which ends up in you getting elim as town and inves getting nked

Even if it does theres very small chances of you getting shot by scum this game.
You've been suspected the whole game and its more likely that you get investigated than getting nked
You should've given up that plan much much earlier

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GreyIce neverclaimed bulletproof
I see how it could be misunderstood
but I'm treestump

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what are you guys claims
we should massclaim

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I'll get to this tomorrow. But, I hate that I went back on my pork read. Also I'm still so confused about Borg. Is it actually a 3rd party? or what. Both borgs have been scum and Kawaii slot claimed borg. Soo...

hebi and porken's role literally centered around the idea that borg exists outside their faction

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GreyIce neverclaimed bulletproof
I see how it could be misunderstood
but I'm treestump

I'm Weyoun Six, member of the Temporal Alliance. The first time I die, I stick around.

...huh. I guess that claim technically

could

be treestump. I honestly can't come up with a valid assessment for why a town player would go for that (GreyICE very clearly wanted to create that ambiguity), but I also can't refute that it's possible that's what happened, and I can't see how it would be a beneficial move as scum.

I wouldnt use the word 'die' here to describe a bulletproof

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whether elim or night killed I just become a tree stump

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auriel who did you target the previous nights?

@Kokichi
@Penguin
@petapan
We need your fullclaims

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my full flavor is the borg collective, i can copy the action of a player i target at night if they use a non-factional, non-killing action that night and use it on a later night

on night 1 kawaiikame targeted black and didn't get anything, night 2 was no action submitted

i targeted lld last night because she had an unknown 3rd ability which turned out to be a lousy vote stealing ability

Isn't borg collective the name of a group
so you got no night 2 because kawaii didn't submit any?

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Mech talk

So I've got a theory because of the surprisingly lack of borgs this game given that mafia's two flipped roles is based around them
I thought at first that borg might be a traitor because of hebi's kit of finding borgs and adding them into a neigborhood but porkens literally got a role for using them as bodyshields so it doesn't make sense that they're aligned.
So maybe borgs exists outside of the original flavor
Idk if you've noticed but hebi's role mentioned the borg collective in it

Hebichan was

Seven Of Nine, Borg Liaison of Black Ops

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to the strangest temporal anomaly ever observed in the Four Quadrants!

You are

Seven Of Nine, Borg Liaison of Black Ops

.

With experience and exposure, you've grown impatient with the way Starfleet regulations too often tie the Federation's hands when it comes to responding to threats and opportunities. Section 31 discovered this and recruited you as an expert on the Borg and Black Ops liaison [redacted]. The temporal anomaly represents both existential threat and unimaginable opportunity for Starfleet, for the Federation, and for a potential alliance of equals with the Borg. You are ready to help grasp the opportunity and and neutralize the threat.

Your abilities:

• Speak Freely:
  The Black Ops Team are [redacted]. You can communicate privately at any time during the game, day or night here (PT link).
  
• You say that I am a human being and yet, I am also Borg:
  Each night you can visit another player. Your implants will detect if that player is or has ever been a part of the Borg Collective.
  
• Time to regenerate:
  If you learn that the player you visit is or has been Borg, you have the option to create a neighborhood with the player. Once the neighborhood is established, you can choose to add any subsequent Borg/former Borg you locate to the neighborhood.
  
• You will be assimilated:
  Should [redacted] be eliminated or killed, you will be able to assimilate and salvage any actions [they] had not yet used. You will be able to use those actions with the same conditions and restrictions starting on the next Night phase.
  
• Critical Intelligence:
  You know that the second to last ability in every
  Temporal Alliance
  role pm is "
  
• Citizen of the Galaxy:
  While you live, you have the inalienable right to use your voice and your vote as you see fit.

Win Condition:

You win when

Black Ops

achieves numerical parity with remaining non-

Black Ops

players.

The Game thread is here: viewtopic.php?t=90629

Please confirm by replying with a paraphrase or quote of the third Game Specific Rule.

Since your flavor is borg collective maybe you're turning people into borgs or something

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petapan could honestly be 3p but we worry about that after we flip scum

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Nothing else that matters in any way, unfortunately.

I just want to know who you targeted

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why does kokichi keep disappearing after reading like 1 or 2 posts

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@auriel I saw you suspected kokichi the entire time why'd you block xyzzy instead?

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just to be clear are you role blocker or jail keeper?

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why are you sure?
dont you have the strange world ability
Isnt it weird that hebi could find people who's part of the borg collective and your flavor is literally the borg collective
besides theres got to be something to explain the lack of borgs

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Hmm, I'm a little concerned about MB's questions, feels like maybe trying to figure out if they need to kill me tonight instead of you. Do you want me to answer them, peta? I assure you that I can see no useful protown information in the answers but I'll answer if you want.

if you meant the night actions then theres no point hiding some of them
if we fullclaim then we 100% fullclaim

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Well, the why target xyzzy I can answer, should be pretty obvious it was for the info to clear or confirm them.

wouldnt it make more sense to target your scumread?

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Not when everyone else is scumreading xyzzy. It was clear that's where the attention was going to focus next. I'm not THAT confident in my reads.

thats fine

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I'm honestly just squeezing any info I could while I wait for kokichi and penguin

day would probably be over if they just stayed and talk for 30 minutes maybe even less

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why are you sure?
dont you have the strange world ability
Isnt it weird that hebi could find people who's part of the borg collective and your flavor is literally the borg collective
besides theres got to be something to explain the lack of borgs

yes i have the strange new world ability but that would point away from me actually making people into borgs since it's part of my role PM, yes?

it's not...impossible that the roles designed were simply extremely limited in their utility

rogue had an ability to neighborize people who were characters from the reboot films, afaik none of them have flipped and I'm not sure anyone ha claimed one? so that's pretty likely to be limited

I thought that strange world could be a hidden ability that is unique for everyone

But maybe I'm just trying to make sense of upick randomness
I just subbed and I wasn't made aware of grey's picks so I have zero clue how it went.

It's possible that we have a miller without a cop

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Hmm, I'm a little concerned about MB's questions, feels like maybe trying to figure out if they need to kill me tonight instead of you. Do you want me to answer them, peta? I assure you that I can see no useful protown information in the answers but I'll answer if you want.

uh i think your targets on previous nights are absolutely relevant

and i don't see any real chance of the greyice slot being scum especially with the mechanical info

Ok. Targeted Black night one obviously, and nobody night two.

why no night 2?

I wanted to know because you argued with lld that her being roleblocked is not town confirming.

Did you think that someone with a similar role as yours could be town at that time?

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auriel who did you target the previous nights?

@Kokichi
@Penguin
@petapan
We need your fullclaims

i don't have any night actions

what is your role then?

I'll be revealed in 1 real life day from now. No need to worry. Question is who do you think is scum and why

If this is IC then game is won

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UNVOTE: xyzzy

Honestly xyzzy is almost cleared I might've been tempted if we're not 1 elim away from elo because of the bad miller claim
Petapan is almost always town with the way he pushed for porkens
I thought aureal is town because of mafia interactions but she also claimed to JK xyzzy which saved them if they're town

So left with kokichi penguin and me

I'm not sure if everyone agree but if you got dayvig penguin shot is good
if they flip scum good
if they flip town we elim you

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I kinda want kokichi to use his role before we elim penguin

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I prefer no voting at f4 than now just because we probably elim one of penguin or kokichi later anyway
saves us the time of waiting 2 rl days
we could just get scum today and end it

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wait I thought wavelength was just normal gladiator but arent they some kind of dayvig?
like they don't use the town's elim power to eliminate someone so we get 2 elims in 1 day?

or am i reading that wrong

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It's confusing the explanation of the ability is like an entire essay
If it needs at least 4 people then it probably can't be use at f3

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UNVOTE:

meh hm not sure he takes this angle as scum

bru You said this like many times today

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Penguin obviously haven't read anything today and just posted his daily lets elim xyzzy post

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It's bad to elim the jailed target today
maybe at elo then yeah it's worth considering

xyzzy also misunderstood GreyIce's claim as bulletproof so idk why they would use that 1 shot for lld

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We've never actually heard Kokichi's full claim
like is it 100% identical to wavelength or what's his flavor

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1 hour and 30 mins left
anyone here

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cant we just elim someone

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If we no elim now
who knows not just the players maybe even the host would probably get replaced by the time we elim someone

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Okay so scum shot me

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I die after this day but I could still vote

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Kokichi should use his ability

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I'm still so confused by MB.

why?
it is what is I basically die after this day ends
If I dont you can auto elim me next day
you can treat me as an IC

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so who is scum to everyone? if you could only pick one?

I still think penguin is the optimal pick

Not sure why scum shot me but maybe they didn't shoot aureal because they're afraid to clear xyzzy by auriel's role flip

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I'm late but after isos I could kind of understand why petapan suspected aureal earlier
aureal and porkens interactions are actually the worst
they might not be as towny as xyzzy

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tough game
the late miller claim from xyzzy is kinda wtf
aureal's clear on xyzzy looks protown not sure if they did that for credit when they know that they have enough miselim to win.
Kokichi/Penguin are rand slots that need to go but we can only afford 1 miselim

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I could say penguin is town for their tone but thats a horrible late game read

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I'm still so confused by MB.

why?
it is what is I basically die after this day ends
If I dont you can auto elim me next day
you can treat me as an IC

Because you claimed tree stump, but apparently it's more like living one more day phase. I guess there's no real reason to suspect you at this point given the night event though, I dunno why scum would get to have a role that lets them have the mod make some ambiguous comment about them overnight.

I wanted to hide that I could still vote after getting shot
It would've been amazing if town miselim at f4 and I got shot and lived til f3

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I guess the judges have to decide in public?

VOTE: PenguinPower

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I guess the judges have to decide in public?

VOTE: PenguinPower

This was me agreeing to the court martial btw

I guess we say VOTE: Court Martial

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VOTE: PenguinPower

there

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GG

I didnt die