Datisi's University [professors' pets PT]

[Dannflor]

i still feel really bad for flaking on house of the dragon datisi im sorry

im somehow gonna make it up to you by snowing your town in this game

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so I'm basically a 1-shot ninja

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does anyone have specific players they'll want to be playing around / manipulating

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yeah im dumb

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Yeah i agree

Night kills are over powered

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i think some early presence is going to be important

there are quite a few slots im worried about town blocking together

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Andres is good at obv towning

I think Aristeia/GuiltyLion/Dusa/jjh could all find each other as town given enough time undisturbed

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i think im gonna try to get in a town block with aristeia

then kill aristeia and sheep her town reads

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townies are being weirdly... rude? abrupt? short with each other?

time to swoop in and be voices of reason

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i wanna get this wagon going on drew tbh

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nah i think furtive is too towny for a miselim

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we should probably start talking about who should use which fake claim?

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I’m comfortable being the main push behind any elim we want, I’ve got enough town cred that people will follow my lead if I case it

I’m fine with osuka maybe, I don’t know if i want to end the day on drew

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I have a investigative or maybe 3p read on Ari? She is playing in a reserved way that reminds me of when i roll invest

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I actually kinda need to burn my town cred somewhat to justify staying alive, and also dodge any SKs

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is there a slot that is particularly threatening to anyone?

also I'm more worried about whemestar becoming the default elim rather than titus

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I think we need some consolidation on osuka now

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I think the play is lim osuka, night kill Guilty Lion

we might need to hard bus whemestar tomorrow

[Dannflor]

keeps the tension between ari/ranger/jjh/dusa alive which is good for us

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I think we need some consolidation on osuka now

titus, furtive, only do this if you feel like it's comfortable / natural, but I think one of you should move here soon if you can

whemestar stay off wagon, find something to latch onto and push

if you need something to engage with, ask me questions about my osuka scum read

[Dannflor]

could go norwegian too

[Dannflor]

doh

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I think the game state is pretty good for us right now, we just can't let up

your posting good content furtive

aristeia/osuka/norwegian are all good wagons

maybe even ranger?

[Dannflor]

nice post whemestar

Lmk if you wanna real time with someone i can be around

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yeah GL is my top night kill candidate right now

he scares me

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but yeah not in a bad spot, just keep up the thread presence - it helps stop GL getting too much of a foothold as town leader

a jjh or ari elim would honestly be very good for us too

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nice job wheme

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im like a little bit terrified of an SK taking me out

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depends how many points we get probably

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i think it would be kinda nice if osuka was limmed here

because if we NK guiltylion that leaves Sail in a pretty bad spot D2

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Fire Assassin is an alternative night kill candidate tbh

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ina marija has a lot of thread presence but idk how much ppl are willing to follow her?

i guess we should make sure to reread for role softs, im p bad at catchin stuff like that

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@datisi

can SPR be banked? like do they carry over night to night if we don't use all of them?

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right so if we assign them to the wrong scum member to be banked and they get killed that would be bad

ty

[Dannflor]

I'm kind of wondering about the value of banking all of our SPR for extra kills and only making 1 kill each night until we can just win by making a ton of extra kills in one night

denies a lot of information

but like probably not worth the risks of whoever is banking the points just getting sniped or guiltied before getting a chance to use the points

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and I mean that's assuming we even get a significant number of spr to use in that fashion

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eh probably just best to use it all up as we get it as much as possible

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I wonder if ina is 3p

[Dannflor]

it's okay, you're doing well

1175 was a good post

i know im running out of stamina too

if you feel like posting more you can just stick with like asking people on the sidelines / not voting what they are thinking, it should be easy content and might help pressure people into joining some of the top wagons

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I asked you a question in thread becasue i wanna get some interactions going but don't feel like you have to engage with it right away

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furtive

take the opportunity to pocket osuka

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dusa what's the best call and why is it ares

btw this is my attempt at a crumb for the IT Call center part timer claim

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do whatever you feel you would naturally do as town!you here

I don't think a Ranger elimination is necessarily better for us here, I'm just putting up a stink because it's funny

[Dannflor]

hi great day play everyone, I think we're all individually in pretty good spots

I think we should start strategizing about how we're gonna play tomorrow as a team. Personally, I think Titus might be in one of the best spots to end game right now, so I'll probably be focusing on building distancing / anti-partnery interactions with her.

I also think we shouldn't be afraid of taking some control of the game state. I think tonight we can attempt to kill some of the more proactive townies and fill the vacuum ourselves.

[Dannflor]

i agree jjh is a good kill

he's too proactive

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GL is another player that I think generally has good reads, is fairly proactive, and there's a danger of him reevaluating

pedit: that too, jjh is super dangerous all around

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ina marija is another NK candidate just as like a fairly widely town read slot that is probably gonna get replaced so it's a giant ?

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there's a part of me that wants to roleblock aristeia

with just 1 kill it's probably jjh or GL

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I'm gonna reread some of D1, see if I can catch any crumbs we want to block or rolecop

idk how important it is that we find out the 3p win condition?

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i forgot i dont wanna kill ina marija because there's like a chance it hinted at that here for some reason and uh we probably don't want to kill the 3p even if its a townsidey role?

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Ranger obviously claimed but I'm hesitant to roleblock or investigate her because of mastina's play in Datisi's Cafe

maybe we can just miseliminate her tomorrow instead

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I guess maybe if you think I respond to him poking me because I enjoy it?

well I don't enjoy it. I find it frustrating, tedious and boring. I actually lose sleeping time over it because I get wound up and I should stop.

I will refrain from talking to or about him in the future. If he's mafia the rest of you can figure it out.

I personally think he is but it's not impossible he actually thinks he is the

central detective character

of a poorly written book.

could be conf biasing here but possible investigative crumb from Ari?

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it is interesting that jjh became like *very* confident she was town after that too

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I get PR vibes from RCEnigma too but I can't substantiate that beyond the fact that he talks about different PR costs a bit and he feels like he's hanging back pretty intentionally

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Jjh doesn’t point that directly at us

End of day he was town reading Titus and calling Osuka + Fire Assasin scum buddies

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mkay so tentatively we could do

Dannflor kills jjh

10 SPR to Whemestar

Whemestar uses Secrets Revealed

5 SPR to furtiveglance

furtiveglance targets aristeia

(let me know if you have a better target in mind)

10 SPR to Titus

Titus targets aristeia

(again let me know if you have a better target)

9 SPR to Dannflor

so i can save up for my strongman in case we need it?

[Dannflor]

I still haven't read super carefully for PRs so I suppose I can do that more before the weekend is over.

[Dannflor]

i don't mind that option,

although i do think blind roleblocking might have some value given people are more likely to use their PRs earlier in the game than later?

just based on all the mech strategizing

[Dannflor]

I’m good with that

So the main question is whether I bank 19 or 29 depending on whether we want to find out the 3p win condition?

[Dannflor]

yeah that would be my preference

I can go either way on the 3p thing

I guess probably I would prefer to just hoard points but that's because I can't imagine a 3p win condition that would cause us to play differently. but that's not because there can't be it's just because my imagination is bad

[Dannflor]

so she’s a JK basically

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or no, the person can still act

More like a doctor

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well that’s a NK target

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I don’t think any of us should ever fake claim vig though

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I think we can get it

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I wonder if Dusa will see through my thinly veiled attempts to pocket her

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alisae is a good night kill btw

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it’s been a bad time for me to be busy, I’ll catch up tonight

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ugh i wish i was a better scum player and could tell if the best play was to push CCS or Ranger or bus or something else entirely

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Regardless we need to take action here

It’s not like unsalvagable but twiddling our thumbs is disastrous

I think my gut says we should try to get a miselim today and then bus tomorrow

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Wheme, do you know what you are claiming?

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furtive, you could "start suspecting" GL

I think it would be nice to get the idea that he's a deepwolf out there

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I hope I’m right in choosing this timing to burn my town cred for a miselimination

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We really really need to have a game plan going into tomorrow though

We need to build narratives that the four of us are never aligned, that might include some bussing or at the very least opposing each other on some major reads

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Ideally tonight, we get enough SPR to kill Ari and Ali

That’s dream scenario though probably won’t happen

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Alisae is just too good at challenging the status quo when eir motivated

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kinda can’t believe I convinced Ali to vote snivy though

Ali is pretty good at reading me historically

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you didn’t out yourself

Just keep posting and pushing your solve, make it seem like you’ve been thinking about the game

There’s enough noise in the game that the pressure on you can easily dissipate

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I think you should claim the tracker one

But not until you have to don’t do it prematurely

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And up to you whether you submitted 0% study time or 20% d1

Whatever you think town furtive would do

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don't mind norwegian and ranger

they are loud but I don't think there is actually enough in thread support to see a wagon through on you

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GL wants snivy dead

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Titus when you catch up I think Snivy is the play here

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snivy is at e-2 I think

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another day survived

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okay time to reread d2 for crumbs

any role cop target ideas if we have enough points?

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yeah i was kinda expecting that

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kill ari

role cop someone

bank the rest?

idk

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is killing ari correct here

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yeah im trying to weigh how likely it is ari both has a shot and will use a shot tonight

but probably just best to take out the powerful TPR

hope we get 10 SPR tomorrow night for a double kill??

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we don't have to but i think hunting for prs is smart

idk

you want to save everything?

[Dannflor]

a little worried about an invest or a vig on you or wheme tonight

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do we think enchant!slot has a good PR

that could be problematic

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yeah i think we kill ari at the very least

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who are you all planning to push tomorrow?

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probably osuka is a safe bet

or you can continue your spat with norwegian

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i have 29 points

we just gained another 16

that's only 45

we need 50 to kill twice

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we can probably get 5 more SPR even with non-studying dropping off significantly

+ probably best to do the double kill after we kill Ari anyways

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well let's see if we kill ari + another townie gets elimmed tomorrow (let's assume a PR for worst case scenario

that leaves 14 alive and only 9 townies

we need townies to gain at least 45 TPR for us to gain 5 SPR tomorrow night

that means just one townie out of those 9 needs to study 55% of the time or less

that feels realistic?

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talking myself into just banking everything

idk we could blind rb enchant or norwegian or something but without anything solid to go off of it just feels better to go for the hopeful double kill N3

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Dann banks 16 SPR

Titus kills Ari

or i can do the kill idk?

feel free to change but I just want to submit something for now

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Aristeia was defending Whemestar pretty hard

might be a worthwhile argument to use that she was killed so that whemestar could be miseliminated

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just to make sure,

@datisi

townies who are elimmed during the week don't contribute to SPR gained, right? their amount spent studying doesn't count?

[Dannflor]

Aristeia was defending Whemestar pretty hard

might be a worthwhile argument to use that she was killed so that whemestar could be miseliminated

Meh. maybe

maybe not for us, but i could see a townie pushing that line of thought

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idk who the 3p is

it's definitely not dusa or GL, probably not enchant or andres either

could be Drew or norwe ig

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I guess I probably don't think it's the ina/alisae slot either

idk how much value there is in 3p hunting but I feel like we should know as they may become a threat eventually

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Ranger probably doesn't make herself as much of a target as 3p

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[osuka, kkfc, norwegian, rce, doctor drew]

3p somewhere in here?

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norwegian has some pretty natural posts about 3p solving too, so probably not him

I'd say kkfc or drew is most likely off of play

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i guess andres is possible still

idk how much this matters

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if ranger gets vigged

furtive might die tomorrow

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i think it might be a choice between knowing the 3p wincon and getting a double kill this game

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ig it’s hard bc the extra kill would definitely increase our EV but it’s hard to imagine that knowing the 3p win condition will increase our EV all that much unless they are like a giant threat for some reason

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hope everything is ok titus!

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furtive,

I think you should go full "please kill Ranger when I'm dead, she's so survivalist and obv scum blah blah"

kinda have some overconfidence so it looks like you might be bussing her

[Dannflor]

you two stay on me

I'm gonna wriggle

but you two stay on me

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I will do my darndest to survive the day

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do whatever feels natural! this is a weird position to play

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I was also serious tho I won't really have time to post until late tonight

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I don't think I'm wriggling out of this one

good play by Andres

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good luck y'all

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Titus can end game

idk furtive you look good off of associatives too

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don't kill RC probably

I mean it's probably Andres > Alisae

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after that idk maybe Dusa?

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it's not over

I believe in you all

my flip might send them in a totally wrong direction tbh

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Besides, I can't just keep posting, because it feels like the more I post the more I out myself

I've felt like that all game

You gotta embrace that feeling

then the villagers will all be like "well no one would post THAT scummy"

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it's all in the mentality

probably you can push a "scum are the deepwolves!!!! zomg!" narrative anyway

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i should probably really just stop posting

optimally

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but im kinda having fun

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while my heart is broken

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wow if andres shoot gl, we somehow got a miselim today with a double kill tonight

We might have just won or been very close

That shot was game defining, definitely moment of brilliance nom worthy imo

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RCE's role is problematic too, but it will take time to charge back up

and if he does he's role blockable

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osuka and GL are probably the easiest miselims to push after I flip

you probably need to be able to miselim at least 2 in [RCE, Norwegian, KKFC, Drew, Enchant] to win though

I guess Dusa is miselimable too

[Dannflor]

yeah it's good we've killed a lot of protectives but you all will have to be very precise with the night kills from here on out

ig obviously Andres has to be next

I think alisae is dangerous too just as a town leader, but if RCE gets another greencheck and people believe him it's game over

depending on our SPR you can also just block RCE every night

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norwegian i think is a viable dannflor partner

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RCE is also viable

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@Drew, can you like, please, engage with the game a little bit?

I feel like you are trying to respond to the wagon in a towny way by uh, ignoring it

but if you are town this response of doing nothing is like, not helping anyone. do you really have no thoughts about anyone who has joined the wagon on you? how are you expecting people to figure you out?

it just feels like you are determined to act unbothered by the pressure but I feel like town!you would at least be moved by it, a little? am i wrong?

idk maybe it's boredom but I am increasingly not feeling the drew wagon

I think you push Drew off of this progression and the D1 wagon was planned distancing

[Dannflor]

that actually looks very bad for Drew

[Dannflor]

btw I'm not really planning on posting in the game thread anymore I'm just gonna use this time to help you all out

[Dannflor]

something about 597 seems so pure

am i getting soft

also this re: Drew

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the thing about Ranger is that people aren't super keen on listening to her, and she won't make a hard case unless people engage with her/ listen to her

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I mean RCE just innoed someone but scum can inno people all the time

Andres will be confirmed town on my flip, RCE is not confirmed town. I'd say you can leave him alive for as long as you can continue roleblocking him.

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I think [Dusa, Aristeia, jjh, GL, Fire Assassin] is like a very solid town block

There's like a small part of me wary about GL soft-defending / trying to talk me out of my osuka scum read earlier, but that's fully off of pre-flip associations and every other aspect of GuiltyLion's iso makes me want to town bin him. There have been several times he's prodded slots right when I was thinking along the same lines. I like that he's challenged Andres town reads because I *think* that would be an easy slot for him to townblock with given their entrances together and rapport right off the bat. Also, more recently, I like the effectiveness of 680 in trying to make a point super super clear and cut off any extraneous discussion. I know as scum I love to carry on explaining misunderstandings or unproductive conversations because it's just like free content, whereas that post felt like GL wanting to communicate as efficiently and as quickly as possible.

you might be able to push that there's always at least 1 scum in this group. If I have so much sway early in D1 then I'm probably trying to get my scum team mates in the town block?

ergo enchant / GL / Dusa are all viable miselims

[Dannflor]

subsequently you can probably argue that my constant comments about wagoning whemestar probably make him LHF elim bait

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@Drew, can you like, please, engage with the game a little bit?

I feel like you are trying to respond to the wagon in a towny way by uh, ignoring it

but if you are town this response of doing nothing is like, not helping anyone. do you really have no thoughts about anyone who has joined the wagon on you? how are you expecting people to figure you out?

it just feels like you are determined to act unbothered by the pressure but I feel like town!you would at least be moved by it, a little? am i wrong?

idk maybe it's boredom but I am increasingly not feeling the drew wagon

I think you push Drew off of this progression and the D1 wagon was planned distancing

that actually looks very bad for Drew

I'm very serious about this btw

The Drew wagon never got super high and I was the main reason it fell apart because I started pushing osuka

In fact I think this might be an better argument than pushing osuka as a hyopthetical bus

[Dannflor]

I think that's about all I have in me. It's a bad situation to be sure, but it's not unwinnable. Good luck! I believe in y'all

[Dannflor]

is there ever a scenario where i claim 3p survivor with a useful PT cop result to try and survive the night lol

probably not right