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Post Post #1502 (isolation #0) » Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:21 pm

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Investigation:

Autopsy ($10,000) - So far not needed.
Inquiry ($40,000) - So far not needed.

Census ($50,000) - Not bad option per se, yet so unaccurate.

Wiretap ($20,000) - WHO CARES

Torture ($40,000) - 100% Guilty, yet 25% chance of guilty on innocent. Okay option.
Recount ($60,000) - Too costly for something so simple. Probably will be useful lategame.


Voting:

Mayor election ($10,000) - Maybe late game where we risk scum parity to keep controlling votes.

Election Security ($10,000) - Maybe lategame

Appointed Jury ($20,000) - Maybe late game but it sounds harder to do all town jury if we ever need votes.

Injunction ($30,000) - Eh. Probably we never buy this one?


Misc:

Sacrifice ($0) - Free Loyal Vig? Maybe idk.
Raffle ($10,000) - It will be always Town receiving fruit so option is pretty interesting in theory. 50% chance is avoidable easly: Town Receiver just should lie about receiving and when mafia try to claim fruit, CC then. This way we get conftown AND nail scum. Otherwise it will dissuade mafia from claiming fruit in fear of being CCed.
Neighborhood Watch ($20,000) - WHO CARES

Marriage ($20,000) - We can in theory pair scummy players and get doublekills on execution.

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Inquisition Headquarters ($30,000) - Why not. Any option can be interesting.
Board of Elections ($10,000) - Why not. Any option can be interesting yet it a bit less attracting than Investigations.
Guildhall ($20,000) - Why not. Any option can be interesting. More attractive than Board of Elections.
Trading Outpost ($20,000) - Probably should be priority, to allow us more options.
Printing Press ($20,000) - What? I don't get what it does.
Assassination ($60,000) - Not yet.



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Post Post #1504 (isolation #1) » Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:53 pm

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HURT: Trading Post

After recount so far better.
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #2) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:34 am

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STILL SMOOKING ARE YOU
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Post Post #1538 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:36 am

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If we plan to use Torture, Trading Post is important as it allows us to get 70k robux

Then we can afford Torture+Build on Inquisition.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #4) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:15 am

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In post 1550, Merlyn wrote:
In post 1527, marcistar wrote: idk i lowkey think 25% is pretty high odds of it flopping lol
My take is this- we torture, and if the result comes up red we use sac on them. That way 75% kill a scums, 25% get more money
I don't need to explain why this is bad proposal.
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Post Post #1611 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:25 pm

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In post 1607, Deal With The Devil wrote:
In post 1538, Enchant wrote: If we plan to use Torture, Trading Post is important as it allows us to get 70k robux

Then we can afford Torture+Build on Inquisition.
This assumes we would do Torture and Inquisition in the same day after getting Trading Outpost, which would have to be D4 because we can't do the same project twice in a row (e.g. D2 and D3). That problem can be avoided by doing Torture D2 and D4 and getting Inquisition D3. But then we probably need Trading Outpost to afford the Inquisition stuff anyway so...yeah, it's fine.

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Oh i missed that.

We can use Inquiry+Inqusition, to be sure.
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Post Post #1685 (isolation #6) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:57 pm

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In post 1678, Aureal wrote:
In post 1639, Merlyn wrote: So yeah, if you're town and you're reading FL town too, I don't know how you're going to argue that it's not still good for gamestate to know for sure. In my eyes anyone who starts to argue against it is someone to watch closely.
I wouldn't have been advocating for using Sacrifice on FL here either. Because I'm townreading him. That whole discussion was not something I ever agreed with so there's nothing for him to 'wiggle out of' as far as I'm concerned. Setting up chains of flips based on having a wrong read isn't a healthy state for town.

What I want to know here is: who is actually scumreading FL? I think that's the important factor here. Please raise your hand if you support this because
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actually don't trust Flavor Leaf rather than because of some perceived sentiment that other people don't so may as well go along with it because we were gonna use sacrifice anyway or something.
Should i write if i raised my hand of not.
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Post Post #1686 (isolation #7) » Sun Aug 13, 2023 7:58 pm

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Torture works best when used on town.

Guilties unreliable.
Innocents reliable.

That's it.
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:57 am

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Day is still going?

VOTE: Deal With The Devil
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Post Post #1835 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:10 pm

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In post 1826, Aureal wrote:
In post 1801, Merlyn wrote: Aureal had a lot of posts D1 that felt kind of reasonable and level headed, but when I went back and read them I noticed they're most about mech. She was on the Infinity wagon. She townreads you and expressed doubt that we should even check your alignment. She's played with you- she wasn't sure you were town in dividing connor right till the end. Why isn't she a least doubting your alignment or seeing reason in checking it today?
Because you don't use your investigation on your strongest townread, not unless you're really paranoid about your reads. And that's what the situation is for me. I understand I am not the entire playerlist, that's why I asked for people to clarify their position on the matter. Because I didn't want to waste it if like one person is suspicious of him and a bunch of others are just shrugging and going along with it. I suppose given that meow is one of the people suspicious of him, it might help sort things between them which would be good, because I sure don't think I can do anything to get them to trust each other.

I still think scum's biggest priority is going to be making sure
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don't get hit with it and Leaf is typically making it all about himself, though. :P
Techically correct. I don't really agree but let's presume.

Who you offer instead?
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #10) » Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:10 pm

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In post 1942, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yeah, I’m happy with Marci today.

I think we should line up Marci to E-2 (like how they are now), get Torture at 6, with someone who plans to hammer Marci on it, Trading Post at 4.

Put Marci to E-1, then have the Marci Hammerer move from Torture to Trading Post to get them equal to 5, and then hammer.
I fail to see reason to do that. Doing things for sake of doing things.
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #11) » Tue Aug 15, 2023 9:58 pm

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In post 1949, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1946, Enchant wrote:
In post 1942, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yeah, I’m happy with Marci today.

I think we should line up Marci to E-2 (like how they are now), get Torture at 6, with someone who plans to hammer Marci on it, Trading Post at 4.

Put Marci to E-1, then have the Marci Hammerer move from Torture to Trading Post to get them equal to 5, and then hammer.
I fail to see reason to do that. Doing things for sake of doing things.

ahhh, i seee what yer sayin, ya wannna see the ol peek a roo, the bing bop polly wop, the shallow of my hallows.

well, ill let ya drink a swig of milk, thats for sure, i get ya

ya a wild one
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #12) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:55 am

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In post 1954, RCEnigma wrote:
I’m holding my vote for the secondary project.
why
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #13) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:38 am

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In post 1957, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 1955, Enchant wrote:
In post 1954, RCEnigma wrote:
I’m holding my vote for the secondary project.
why
If scum are backed into a corner I could see them trying to pull out of torture for another project to buy some time. I don’t think that’s going to happen because it’s so blatant but I’d rather not be blindsided if it does and we still have the option to maintain control (via unused votes).
You know that you can revote, correct?
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Post Post #1964 (isolation #14) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:43 am

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Imo if i know something about balance, my prediction of mafia income something like this:

Base Income for every day/night/phase+percentage of spent money+Bonuses for tricking town (Condemner ability for example)+Anything really.
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Post Post #1972 (isolation #15) » Wed Aug 16, 2023 3:05 am

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In post 1970, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 1964, Enchant wrote:
In post 1957, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 1955, Enchant wrote:
In post 1954, RCEnigma wrote:
I’m holding my vote for the secondary project.
why
If scum are backed into a corner I could see them trying to pull out of torture for another project to buy some time. I don’t think that’s going to happen because it’s so blatant but I’d rather not be blindsided if it does and we still have the option to maintain control (via unused votes).
You know that you can revote, correct?
Sure, why does that matter tho?
Nothing you say makes sense for me
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Post Post #2056 (isolation #16) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:20 am

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And why the hell you vote election security.
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Post Post #2062 (isolation #17) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:39 am

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I disagree that at last days we suddenly voted for other project.
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #18) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:17 am

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In post 2066, Deal With The Devil wrote:
In post 2057, Enchant wrote: And why the hell you vote election security.
So scum can't screw up tomorrow's Recount with secret votes.

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So there's 4 mafia and they ALSO have secret additional voting power?
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #19) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:20 am

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VOTE: meowmeow
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #20) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:44 pm

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Too bad.

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VOTE: Marci
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #21) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 4:56 pm

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In post 2102, Deal With The Devil wrote:
In post 2098, Flavor Leaf wrote: i think we should stay on Odds with Tortue.

So let's get a 7th.
Sure.

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Even if it somehow counted, i make every effort possible your words amount to nothing for this fearmongering.
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #22) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:04 pm

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Imposter sussy baka
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #23) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:20 pm

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You acknowledge that any mafia worth their salt WILL JUST VOTE SELF AT LAST DEADLINE SECOND AND MAKE IT WORTHLESS.
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #24) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:21 pm

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Basically it only works if target is town.

Which kinda silly.
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #25) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:32 pm

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What are your recount plan again?
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Post Post #2127 (isolation #26) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 5:37 pm

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...

Nah, i give up.
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #27) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:07 pm

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In post 2129, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Oh I get what Enchant is saying

But bruh why didn't you bring it up earlier
Counterquestion: Why you didn't figure it yourself?
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Post Post #2137 (isolation #28) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:14 pm

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In post 2136, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 2134, Enchant wrote:
In post 2129, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Oh I get what Enchant is saying

But bruh why didn't you bring it up earlier
Counterquestion: Why you didn't figure it yourself?
Because I don't spend much time thinking about mech beyond a surface level

And you can't just reverse uno card me, you still have to answer my question my guy
I thought plan was Torture+Trading Post.

Then shitstorm about secret votes started. In 9vs4 game mafia has secret votes. Of course.
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #29) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:20 pm

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In post 2139, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2134, Enchant wrote:
In post 2129, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Oh I get what Enchant is saying

But bruh why didn't you bring it up earlier
Counterquestion: Why you didn't figure it yourself?
and these are the type of posts that add up to why you can never rally momentum even if you have the right read.

one of your weaker skills.
My only weakness are people who call me Enchunk
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #30) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 6:28 pm

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In post 2143, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2136, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Because I don't spend much time thinking about mech beyond a surface level
same.

dont care about deep mech tbh, ever worse mech moves and be flipped with solid dayplay
Ah yes, deep mech. Ability to selfvote.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #31) » Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:18 pm

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In post 2146, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2145, Enchant wrote:
In post 2143, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2136, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: Because I don't spend much time thinking about mech beyond a surface level
same.

dont care about deep mech tbh, ever worse mech moves and be flipped with solid dayplay
Ah yes, deep mech. Ability to selfvote.
that only applies if we successfully vote scum.

you're just being negative for negative's sake.

just be chill, man, why does this stuff make you get like that?

like does it even matter if that happens? we get a scum that way anyways.
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Post Post #2171 (isolation #32) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:17 am

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VOTE: Deal with the Devil
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #33) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:28 am

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In post 2189, biancospino wrote:
To prevent confusion. Flavor Leaf is
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unable to post today.
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #34) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:30 am

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In post 2193, Merlyn wrote:
In post 2067, Enchant wrote:
In post 2066, Deal With The Devil wrote:
In post 2057, Enchant wrote: And why the hell you vote election security.
So scum can't screw up tomorrow's Recount with secret votes.

- Alianna
So there's 4 mafia and they ALSO have secret additional voting power?
In post 2120, Enchant wrote: You acknowledge that any mafia worth their salt WILL JUST VOTE SELF AT LAST DEADLINE SECOND AND MAKE IT WORTHLESS.
In post 2121, Enchant wrote: Basically it only works if target is town.

Which kinda silly.
Was this argument? If so, I didn't understand it. If someone self voted at the last second we still catch a scums even if they screwed up recount. Like, it would be just fine if this was the outcome, right?
We still wasted 50k instead of doing something better.
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Post Post #2199 (isolation #35) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:35 am

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I am not sure why i still care.

Probably i should't.

Do whatever.
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Post Post #2203 (isolation #36) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:40 am

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In post 2202, Merlyn wrote:
In post 2200, Enchant wrote: I am not sure why i still care.

Probably i should't.

Do whatever.
I'm not saying I'm right, it just seems like a good idea still to me but I do get I could be missing something
Again if you want sacrifice townie to investigate others, okay, whatever.
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Post Post #2214 (isolation #37) » Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:53 am

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No point discussing imo, FL will come soon and start pulling rank.
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Post Post #2377 (isolation #38) » Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:39 pm

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Imagine waiting whole deadline.

Sick.

Anyway, there's not much we can do, so some math:
11p
7vs4

We execute me
6vs4

Then presuming there was two people voting me:

T+T= Confirms them. 3 conftowns can win game pretty easily, but it's dreamland.
T+I= Gotta be 1vs1. Wrong pick result in 5vs4 and probably lose.
I+I= No chance to error, but again it's evidence to execute 1 insurgent, not both.


And you want additionally try to sacrifice someone. And mafia probably can kill.

Yes. Good idea guys. Bring it.
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Post Post #2379 (isolation #39) » Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:17 am

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DON'T USE SACRIFICE ATLEAST.
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Post Post #2380 (isolation #40) » Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:18 am

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You already voted for poo council to prevent alien secret votes, backing down now will be silly.

So bring it.
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Post Post #2414 (isolation #41) » Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:07 am

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HURT: Sacrifice
VOTE: Aureal
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Post Post #2422 (isolation #42) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:28 am

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HURT: Assasinate
VOTE: No Elimination
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Post Post #2426 (isolation #43) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:36 am

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In post 2426, camelCasedSnivy wrote: why is this still running
That's what happens when mod doesh't put "Or nothing can prevent the same".
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Post Post #2473 (isolation #44) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:29 am

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Wow... You really hammered no lim?
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Post Post #2474 (isolation #45) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:29 am

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It just costed your game.
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Post Post #2481 (isolation #46) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:31 am

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In post 2481, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 2475, Enchant wrote: It just costed your game.
are we supposed to care
Yes.

Now it takes even longer but ultimately you still lose.
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Post Post #2487 (isolation #47) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:34 am

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In post 2487, meowmeow wrote:
In post 2482, Enchant wrote:
In post 2481, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 2475, Enchant wrote: It just costed your game.
are we supposed to care
Yes.

Now it takes even longer but ultimately you still lose.
that's what you think until we unlock guildhall and revive marcistar who comes in to save the town :doc:
Guildhall has very "strange" options tbh. I won't spoil it though
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Post Post #2490 (isolation #48) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:36 am

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In post 2489, Merlyn wrote:
In post 2488, Enchant wrote:
In post 2487, meowmeow wrote:
In post 2482, Enchant wrote:
In post 2481, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 2475, Enchant wrote: It just costed your game.
are we supposed to care
Yes.

Now it takes even longer but ultimately you still lose.
that's what you think until we unlock guildhall and revive marcistar who comes in to save the town :doc:
Guildhall has very "strange" options tbh. I won't spoil it though
whaaat, do scum get previews? Don't answer, I'll ask again postgame!
Yes we knew everything.
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Post Post #2493 (isolation #49) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:42 am

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In post 2493, camelCasedSnivy wrote: yo enchant im actually elon musk and if you do whats best for utopia ill give you twitter
I just wanted this game to end.

You can't win only drag it for 4 phases or so.


If that's your decision okay.
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Post Post #2497 (isolation #50) » Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:45 am

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In post 2496, Deal With The Devil wrote: Why would we believe an Insurgent?
I have cute pfp
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Post Post #2536 (isolation #51) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:04 am

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Spoiler: Choice
Choice didn't matter. We had redirection of projects.
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Post Post #2542 (isolation #52) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:11 am

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In post 2541, Alianna wrote: A little disappointing to see, but the odds were against us.
Game is staked on town favor.

Nightkill costs
120k damn bucks



To win all town was needed to do is... Purchase cheapest options every time and mafia can't kill.

But hey that would be boring is it...
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Post Post #2552 (isolation #53) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:27 am

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... Okay i change my mind, it's insanely scumsided.
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Post Post #2556 (isolation #54) » Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:31 am

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I remembered gift as something we can poison or tweak.

Then i forgot about it.
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