Open 883 - Swinger's Hall

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: me refreshing this slow site for jingle's pm

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VOTE: Klick

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because?

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It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed

so you think I am preempting you on page one of RVS when I don't need to because?

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like why does scum!me need to pre-empt you again? Do you think scum!me would fear town!you ? why?

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It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed

so you think I am preempting you on page one of RVS when I don't need to because?

like why does scum!me need to pre-empt you again? Do you think scum!me would fear town!you ? why?

This is surprisingly defensive for page one of RVS

answer the question

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do you not have actual thoughts Klick

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like none of what you've done so far feels like you are trying to sort me, its like p vague generic shade

"preemptively offensive"

"surprisingly defensive"

theres little actual reasoning about my alignment.

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do you not have actual thoughts Klick

Here's an actual thought
You and I seem to actively clash playstyles consistently, at least early on

what does this have to do with my alignment

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so here's some context people don't really know unless they know history between myself, klick and sircakez

a couple of months ago, all three of us played in a game together;

viewtopic.php?t=90287

where Klick(scum) did a tunnel on me and pushed me d1 nonstop - I ended up getting fustrated and replacing out but mostly because of some other things - it was a pretty successful tunnel and managed to cloud the game state pretty well on d1.

then a month later all three of us were playing in a different game together;

viewtopic.php?t=90425

and SirCakez(mafia) decided to also tunnel me on D1 - I thought he did it because he saw Klick do it fairly successfully so I interrogated him and ended up getting him yeeted after tracking him to a nightkill.

so SirCakez knows that I have a pretty sensitive trigger finger for when I sense someone pushing me in bad faith - esp Klick who has done it before decently.

So his read on me that I'm posting "unnaturally" when I interrogate Klick is pretty bizarre to me considering he's seen me do it to himself.

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do you not have actual thoughts Klick

Here's an actual thought
You and I seem to actively clash playstyles consistently, at least early on

I don't think this comment actually makes sense if Klick thinks I'm mafia trying to misyeet him - it only makes sense if he thinks I'm town and he's trying to get me to back off.

I don't even think it's accurate because I remember I've worked together fairly well with Klick at least early in the game as our last two games together were;

viewtopic.php?t=90508

and

viewtopic.php?t=90425


We were Town/Town in both and I don't remember having any playstyle clashes with him early in the game so it's kind of a ?? defense to me.

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on a further note

I think it might make sense for us to use the mechanics of this game where instead of eliminating a player pair - we simply do not vote to eliminate and instead in the pairing part of the game we pair to make a double elimination desirable.

for example if I were to remain convinced Klick is mafia by the end of this phase - I would like to dance with him so I can yeet him myself and if he flips mafia I would like Cakez to follow next

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like trading 1:1 town to mafia is pretty favorable since this is essentially a nightless mountainous game - it would also remove the issue of RH9 possibly being an innocent bystander in all of this as well as cover the downside possibility where Klick flips town and then I have to deal with the headache of "well did Ari!scum powerwolf the Klick elim which can be kind of fustrating.

Knowing the exact alignment splt of an early conflict is pretty useful for seeing how everyone else played around it.

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So his read on me that I'm posting "unnaturally" when I interrogate Klick is pretty bizarre to me considering he's seen me do it to himself.

this seems like a towny-biased post, i could definitely see it just feeling different to cakez but town is less likely to see that as a possibility

I think Cakez has a pretty vivid memory of when I pushed him back when he decided to tunnel me on D1 since he made it pretty clear in the thread he found it painful so I don't see why he would forget the experience and believe my posting here is any different. It's such a nonspecific comment that I find it hard to believe as coming from a unagenda'd perspective.

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UNVOTE:

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you could vote out klick and then yeet yourself with your second-highest scum read if that's the way you want to go

but i think mafia is going to avoid pairing with people who they believe actively scum read them ?

well if collectively we are for eliminating me/klick

during the pairing phase nobody will pair with me/klick and we will be yeeted together. to rescue klick would be a scumclaim

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whether we lim or not is not important because the mafia do not have a nightkill if im reading the rules correctly

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like being able to select any two players to lim is much stronger imo than being forced into eliminating a certain player pair

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I'm not even sure what benefit this would get you besides if you're wrong you don't have to deal with the consequences?? like you should know you're town so voting two slots out that you don't know the alignment of should be preferable to trading 1 for 1

well let's look at what happens if Klick is town here and so is his partner - worst case scenario;

I flip Klick/RH9 - they both flip town - we're at 7 town 3 Mafia
I get flipped with my partner the next day, we're at 5 town 3 mafia which is elo

Not a great position.

if instead I pair with Klick and we flip together and we're T/T - then you know from 7 town 3 mafia that it was a T/T conflict early d1 and you have room to look for how people played around it and scumhunt.

similarly look at what happens if Klick is mafia and RH9 is town.

if I just flip Klick normally, we are at 8 Town 2 Mafia.
If I pair with Klick and we both flip, we are also at 8 Town 2 Mafia.

it's basically protected from my point of view because it eliminates some downside scenarios while keeping the upside fairly similar.

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I don't think there's a significant risk of townies making a hero read and defying popular will.

and even if such a thing did happen - there is little downside risk. Worse case scenario in a week's time we are back to dancing with no eliminations, new pairs, and a lot more information with which to make a decision.

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7 days for an elimination doesn't feel like a tremendous amount of time. towns normally take that long to make a decision anyway.

We can track votes via other methods and simply pair the two highest voted players to be dancing into the night if you prefer that kind of system.

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idk I'm just not really interested in having everyone unvote and then waiting out 7 days of irl time. it just isn't realistic or fun

and like even if it's mechanically "optimal"

i don't believe it would actually increase our EV over generating natural reads over wagons on D1

I do recognize the criticism that such a system might be unfun or against the spirit of the game etc. if people don't want to do it I have no problems with just playing normally.

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I will say I am not used to all the effort from Ari.

Someone who is better at(and cared more about) mech, is it better to not lim someone here?

Isn't that not ever a good idea on D1?

the key thing that makes no elims bad is that if you no lim - the mafia get to nightkill and pull ahead.

this is a nightless game - there are no mafia nightkills, we can nolim over and over and never fall behind - however because the game is designed to re-pair players every day cycle, we can shuffle players around to get two elims we want rather than one elim we want and then a person who just happens to be paired with the elim we want.

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you think im trying to flip myself and klick so i can push you from the grave as flipped scum?

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It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed

so you think I am preempting you on page one of RVS when I don't need to because?

like why does scum!me need to pre-empt you again? Do you think scum!me would fear town!you ? why?

These were the initial posts that pinged me, but I decided to hold back for a bit (which Dann can verify)
These just don't seem like a natural way to react on literally page one. I know Ari is defensive but these posts just read like they are trying to start something that doesn't exist.

I am trying to figure out if Klick has real thoughts.

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Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote

Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.

I dunno but you've seen me interrogate people who push me so its weird to me you think its unnatural for me to do it to Klick.

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Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote

Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.

I dunno but you've seen me interrogate people who push me so its weird to me you think its unnatural for me to do it to Klick.

Klicks posts didn't even read as a push to me, it looked like page 1 rvs bs. That's why it feels so odd.

well thats why i asked him about his "omgus scummy af" line

i didnt know if it was a push or a rvs joke

he then doubled down on it being a push

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Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.

like are you actually making the case "hey i did this thing of shitpushing Ari as scum" and she absolutely murdered me for it.

thus i would not do it again because it ended so badly!

Also ari who has already experienced being shitpushed by me as scum on D1 has no reason to suspect I would do the same move again because it failed last time.

Like that's some pretty hideous logic.

if I know you have the capability of making a shitpush d1 as scum on me, you doing it again is the first thing I suspect because you've shown a capacity and preference for it in the past.

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ari might be scum but i'm gonna just not push my partner this early sorry

klick's push there i do find weird

ydrasse is conftown

Infinity called it a push so maybe this is just a difference of wording/play/etc type thing

he called me scummy af and when I asked to clarification he responded that I was "preemptively attacking him before it was necesary"

you think that's an RVS joke and not a push

explain

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VOTE: Klick

OMGUS scummy af

^ him calling me scummy af

because?

^ me asking for clarification

It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed

^ him claiming that I am trying to preemptively attack him whatever that means.

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most of the time I just ignore people who make votes on me in RVS with nonsensical reasoning because its RVS people going to do stupid things

but if you've shitpushed me in the past d1 as scum I will be absolutely merciless

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I have no towny feelings from Ari at this moment

also this happens to be the exact same excuse he used to push me last time he was mafia on d1

"i feel ari has done nothing townie"

which is kind of a bullshit read when you cant come up with anything to push someone on

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Klick's 217 is bleh. Saying that someone's solving comes from "them trying to figure the game out" is a textbook early-scumhunting sentence that doesn't really inspire confidence I guess. Maybe it's because I can kind of see what Norwee is saying about her recently. Level zero.

When I say 'trying to figure the game out', I'm not just saying Una is doing basic solving motions
Una is posting thoughts and I genuinely believe she believes what she's saying
Post 68 specifically feels like genuine thoughts about the game as opposed to her trying to persuade me that she's town or that Gamma is scum

Klick, why are you voting Ari?

She's done nothing to make me townread her

its basically word for word the same nonsense reasoning he used last time to push me as scum.

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I really want to pair up with Klick so we can both exit because I have absolutely 0 patience for someone thinking they can do the same shitpush two times in a row

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Cakes you feel like Frozen scum.

I am sorry if I am wrong

but if Klick is town nobody will listen to me and I'll be dead too so you don't actually have to engage with this content.

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Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.

like are you actually making the case "hey i did this thing of shitpushing Ari as scum" and she absolutely murdered me for it.

thus i would not do it again because it ended so badly!

Also ari who has already experienced being shitpushed by me as scum on D1 has no reason to suspect I would do the same move again because it failed last time.

Like that's some pretty hideous logic.

if I know you have the capability of making a shitpush d1 as scum on me, you doing it again is the first thing I suspect because you've shown a capacity and preference for it in the past.

This doesn't make any sense. I'm not great at mafia but I'm not bad enough to the point where I'm going to repeat a tactic that failed like two months ago. Do you really think I came in here as scum with a game plan to immediately stir shit with you? What kind of plan would that be? What would my goal even be? We both know that I'm not going to be able to get anywhere close to elimming you by myself

I think you saw me at a number of votes, you thought it would be good to elim me, and then you decided to vote me and made up an excuse to do so.

I certainly do not believe you think my treatment of Klick is "unnatural" as you put it since you have literally seen me do it to you when scum!you shitpushed town me.

You are now using refuge in audacity as a defense by saying that pushing me is so dangerous that you wouldn't do it as scum.

This is a basic logical fallacy and an excuse used by scum players to justify shady looking votes with little to no reasoning.

Also it doesn't make sense for you to try to convince me that you're town who thinks I'm mafia as my plan is to flip myself and Klick on D1. If I'm scum as you claim to believe and I turn scum, I think you would hardly need to worry about the town listening to a flipped scum ari. Your attitude towards me can only make sense if you think I'm town.

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I don't even have a take on Klicks push itself honestly, it seems pretty mid to me and it's not a factor in my read on Ari

ok so you think I'm mafia do you oppose me pairing with klick and flipping both of our slots then?

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Nolim is lame and I'd rather not do it. I agree with Dannflor that even if mechanically optimal in an ideal world, the effect it'd have on the gamestate would ultimately give us less info and it'd be at best neutral overall (plus we waste a week of time waiting around)

if we decide to go with my plan,

it would be effectively deciding to eliminate me and Klick

which is two eliminations in 7 days

and faster than most games go?

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who's scum drew

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Nolim is lame and I'd rather not do it. I agree with Dannflor that even if mechanically optimal in an ideal world, the effect it'd have on the gamestate would ultimately give us less info and it'd be at best neutral overall (plus we waste a week of time waiting around)

if we decide to go with my plan,

it would be effectively deciding to eliminate me and Klick

which is two eliminations in 7 days

and faster than most games go?

But we'll be spending those 7 days not voting and waiting for you guys to die
It's not just pure time spent, it's also how productive that time will be, and I know it won't be as productive as it would be if we just decided to go for a lim

we can't vote no lim and skip straight to pairing ?

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who's scum drew

Leaning you, but I don't mind letting you cook. Like I said you are just different than I have seen.

I don't get the situation around Klick.

Wouldn't be surprised if scum lies in the lurkers so far.....short day phase, there actually is reason to hang back if town is fucking itself.

well if you think it's me just let me dance with klick ?

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I'm fine with people scumhunting more

I am just saying if you believe my case on Klick or you believe I am mafia - I think it makes sense for you to let the clock run the 7 days and then I can exit with Klick.

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VOTE: no lim

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dance games are basically double eliminations

this one just happens to be pretty townsided in that we can pick and match the people we want to elim instead of being forced to elim certain pairs

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I think everyone voting for no-lim understands that it entails eliminating me/klick as the first pair gone.

I guess if it's important we can also do some kind of psuedo-voting?

like every player may vote for any number of other players. at the end of seven days we commit to eliminating the two highest voted players as in everyone will pair up with each other except for them and they will necessarily be cast into the cold.

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that kind of system feels like it's a lot more work and a lot less fun imo though. we'd have to actually keep track of things ourselves and enforcement could be kind of a mess.

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do you not have actual thoughts Klick

Here's an actual thought
You and I seem to actively clash playstyles consistently, at least early on

I don't think this comment actually makes sense if Klick thinks I'm mafia trying to misyeet him - it only makes sense if he thinks I'm town and he's trying to get me to back off.

I don't even think it's accurate because I remember I've worked together fairly well with Klick at least early in the game as our last two games together were;

viewtopic.php?t=90508

and

viewtopic.php?t=90425


We were Town/Town in both and I don't remember having any playstyle clashes with him early in the game so it's kind of a ?? defense to me.

You literally spent most of the second half of Hollow Knight tunneling me
And I'm not rereading the Micro atm but I'm pretty sure we were both on each other early

"early on"

and I didn't even think it was you in HK until like day 6 or 7

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also your entire "this is a playstyle clash" comment makes little sense with your belief that I am mafia.

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oh so now it was all just a joke?

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i'm sorry why wouldn't you just say "i was joking" instead of doubling down and trying to make up some nonsense about "offense and defense" and answering Dannflor by doubling down over and over again.

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It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed

this doesn't sound like a joke

this sounds like you reaching for an explanation and digging yourself deeper and deeper into doubling down

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I have no towny feelings from Ari at this moment

also this happens to be the exact same excuse he used to push me last time he was mafia on d1

"i feel ari has done nothing townie"

which is kind of a bullshit read when you cant come up with anything to push someone on

Why does Klick!scum feel the need to come up with a bullshit read to push someone on on page three

I don't know but that's literally what you did last time you were scum with town!me

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Klick's 217 is bleh. Saying that someone's solving comes from "them trying to figure the game out" is a textbook early-scumhunting sentence that doesn't really inspire confidence I guess. Maybe it's because I can kind of see what Norwee is saying about her recently. Level zero.

When I say 'trying to figure the game out', I'm not just saying Una is doing basic solving motions
Una is posting thoughts and I genuinely believe she believes what she's saying
Post 68 specifically feels like genuine thoughts about the game as opposed to her trying to persuade me that she's town or that Gamma is scum

Klick, why are you voting Ari?

She's done nothing to make me townread her

its basically word for word the same nonsense reasoning he used last time to push me as scum.

I was doing a pretty good job emulating parts of my town play there

The big difference there was I cared a lot more about how my message was received

I don't particularly care for your self meta

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It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed

It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed

so you think I am preempting you on page one of RVS when I don't need to because?

like why does scum!me need to pre-empt you again? Do you think scum!me would fear town!you ? why?

This is surprisingly defensive for page one of RVS

none of this reads as a joke to me

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it feels like you decided to do some half-assed shit push on me because it worked before and now you want to back off and say "I was just joking" after spending all of yesterday doubling down and claiming that I'm mafia for some combination of offense and defense or whatever mumbo jumbo you made up

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I think you didn't really understand how the elimination mechanism in this game worked

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Aristeia I went into this thinking you weren't that interested in understanding my thought process and were more interested in pushing something you didn't immediately understand

I think you're town but your recent posting reaffirms that for me

Which is why I'm not really engaging with your main point

I asked you why you thought I was scummy af

you spent an entire day coming up with answers and now you claim it was because you were just joking

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Aristeia I went into this thinking you weren't that interested in understanding my thought process and were more interested in pushing something you didn't immediately understand

I think you're town but your recent posting reaffirms that for me

Which is why I'm not really engaging with your main point

I asked you why you thought I was scummy af

you spent an entire day coming up with answers and now you claim it was because you were just joking

You spent and are continuing to spend this entire day suicide tunnelling a slot that you have openly stated you just don't have the patience for

I asked pretty nicely at the beginning

claiming I don't have the patience for you is kind of disingenuous.

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we've played for a little over twenty four hours. I think it's telling what everyone thinks of our conflict and who is for this plan where we dance together.

claiming that I am only interested in a tunnel on you is not even remotely true.

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we've played for a little over twenty four hours. I think it's telling what everyone thinks of our conflict and who is for this plan where we dance together.

claiming that I am only interested in a tunnel on you is not even remotely true.

would it be possible for you to forget about Klick for the next 24-48 hours?

no

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trying to kill the bad guys is very fun for me

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ali killing bad guys is one of the few things I do enjoy in this game

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you were at a "number of votes" on page two
where am i going to get the thought process that oh I can elim Ari here with these votes. that just is not going to happen.
im arguing with you because you're calling me scum for bad reasons. i don't really like taking that stuff sitting down.

1) you put me at e-2 so the idea that you didn't think it was possible to eliminate me is pretty much nonsense
2) if you think I'm mafia and I'm trying to get myself flipped why does it matter what I believe?

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why cant ydrasse just be supportive of her friends quest to kill klick!scum

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Also Ari town, this doesn't feel like the scum!Ari I've played with before

Counterpoint, doesn't feel like the townAri I have played with before.

Maybe Ari has a good range I don't like it when people are good at mafia

I don't think her range is that strong

Yeah maybe not, I guess her scumgame wasn't super strong in either game I've played with scum her, but I feel like I've heard tales of Ari being a scary scum player
But maybe that's more her playstyle being scary than her giving a really good impression as scum? I dunno

I am not scary as scum I'm frankly terrible

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who is widely TRed in your view RH9 and which of them do you think can be mafia?

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but maybe she rolled a really hype scum team that would suck

this is so lamisty

do you have any scumreads dann

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334 feels like Drew trying to catch Klick out on a perceived logical inconsistency in his read progression

I find this type of focus on logical inconsistencies and logical reads in particular to come from scum a lot more often than town. It's just much more natural for scum to latch onto than any other kind of read (like tone)

there is a possibility that drew is town and having enormous difficulty getting into the game, and that by scum reading this post I am just freezing him out even more

but i think the simpler answer trends towards drew just being scum

kind of hate how hedgy this is tbh

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can you elaborate on why Klick is town?

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Why did you conclude I don’t have scum reads

you don't feel like you believe in one person being scum specifically with any degree of confidence

it feels like you're just pointing to a section of the game with people and saying "there's probably scum over there let's just flip there"

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even the person you put the most words to as in why they might be scum(drew) feels like a very hedgy read

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I'd appreciate if you could explain why you believe Klick is not being very careful and also why it points to Klick being town.

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Ydrasse your memory is probably accurate but is missing the context of me losing faith in the process of explaining my half-baked thoughts actually being effective at anything helpful

That might be true for you but I feel like I'd just get a bunch of question marks and votes from enough people in the game to make it not worth

like this exchange with Ydrasse when she pushed him for raw thoughts kind of shows his mindset is to curate what he is putting out in the thread instead of sharing his thoughts.

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I highly doubt you and Dann share an alignment. if you're town he's probably just mafia.

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Anyway when I said 'I align with Dann' I didn't mean that I think we share an alignment (though that's also where I'm at atm)
I meant that I find myself in a very similar headspace

He seems to have an accurate read on my actions as well

Dann's been trying to kill you for the last two days and he only switched direction after the momentum died down and the thread direction changed

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but maybe she rolled a really hype scum team that would suck

this is so lamisty

do you have any scumreads dann

334 feels like Drew trying to catch Klick out on a perceived logical inconsistency in his read progression

I find this type of focus on logical inconsistencies and logical reads in particular to come from scum a lot more often than town. It's just much more natural for scum to latch onto than any other kind of read (like tone)

there is a possibility that drew is town and having enormous difficulty getting into the game, and that by scum reading this post I am just freezing him out even more

but i think the simpler answer trends towards drew just being scum

kind of hate how hedgy this is tbh

I don't read either of these posts this way

You see LAMISTy, I see feelings

You see hedgy, I see nuance

I do not believe Dann!town would ever feel "oh no ausuka has a hype scum team that sucks"

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Anyway when I said 'I align with Dann' I didn't mean that I think we share an alignment (though that's also where I'm at atm)
I meant that I find myself in a very similar headspace

He seems to have an accurate read on my actions as well

Dann's been trying to kill you for the last two days and he only switched direction after the momentum died down and the thread direction changed

He switched direction after he (accurately) saw a shift in my own posting that felt genuine to him

I've gotten into a groove tonight and he's picked up on it and felt it was towny

It was a response to a change in the thread

you're not that townie

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Anyway when I said 'I align with Dann' I didn't mean that I think we share an alignment (though that's also where I'm at atm)
I meant that I find myself in a very similar headspace

He seems to have an accurate read on my actions as well

Dann's been trying to kill you for the last two days and he only switched direction after the momentum died down and the thread direction changed

He switched direction after he (accurately) saw a shift in my own posting that felt genuine to him

I've gotten into a groove tonight and he's picked up on it and felt it was towny

It was a response to a change in the thread

you're not that townie

Not to you
I could never

I don't think it's a me problem

[Aristeia]

Anyway when I said 'I align with Dann' I didn't mean that I think we share an alignment (though that's also where I'm at atm)
I meant that I find myself in a very similar headspace

He seems to have an accurate read on my actions as well

Dann's been trying to kill you for the last two days and he only switched direction after the momentum died down and the thread direction changed

He switched direction after he (accurately) saw a shift in my own posting that felt genuine to him

I've gotten into a groove tonight and he's picked up on it and felt it was towny

It was a response to a change in the thread

this is such a townpost imo

maybe

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around vaguely

have you played the new briar champ

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I believe that is E-1 if I can count lol

you can't count

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I also have trouble believing Dann actually thinks you E-1'd click when the VC is in the previous post

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I also have trouble believing Dann actually thinks you E-1'd click when the VC is in the previous post

Then, do you think it'd be a good idea to let Dann/Klick pair?

I don't think they're very likely to be teamed

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I also have trouble believing Dann actually thinks you E-1'd click when the VC is in the previous post

Then, do you think it'd be a good idea to let Dann/Klick pair?

I don't think they're very likely to be teamed

I see.
Then, why do you have trouble thinking Dann genuinely believed Drew E-1.

I think he's competent enough of a player to understand where the game state is.

Also like there's a VC literally one post above Drew's post, it's pretty easy to check.

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I also have trouble believing Dann actually thinks you E-1'd click when the VC is in the previous post

So you'd sooner think he faked thinking it was E-1 when the VC is in the previous post

You also think Drew 'can't count' instead of faking putting me at E-1

I think you form suspicions based on other subconscious things that bother you and then justify them using what you write in your posts

yes if something feels off I try to figure out if it's off because they are mafia and I explain why I feel that way. That's how I play the game.

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have a good night drew

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mmm maybe i'm wrong about cakez klick & dannflor

fufufu

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Ari, may I have this dance?

But then we don't kill each other pls and ty

I accept

hopefully it won't end in tears

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VOTE: alisae

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gg wp

sorry about tunneling you klick & dann & cakez

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ty for modding jingle