Micro 1091 - Bar Review (Dead/Spec PT)

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Why am I dead.

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Whelp! At least now I can hang out with Ydrasse and I am so sorry by the way.

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How long I live is inversely proportional to how much I’m enjoying a game.

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I have begun listening the replacements.

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Lukewarm.
Dunnstral.

My reads haven’t really changed much.
I’m not confident at all.

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Yep. I hate my reads.
Guess we’ll see.

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I wanna speculate but I’m at work.
I wanna take sircakez apart and put him back together again.

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I think RH9 is town.

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Where are the lawyer cats.

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What the fuck are they all talking about?

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People are just the

worst best

an unfathomable pile of weirdness.

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Denial

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I'm with Luke on this one.
I don't think RH9 does that as scum.

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still going strong in my "both millers are lying" theory

2-shot tracker + 1-shot cop + whatever cakez is is *probably* a fine setup on its own

Hey, I said it first.

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The duck case. A spiteful tale with duck representation, via noting that the defendent was being a public nuisance,
to the ducks.

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Back to looking at GL.

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A lot of confidence and decisions from multiple players.
And a lot of assumptions.



I’m jealous.

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bell repeatedly insisting on "you decided to get upset" is tilting me so much and im not even in the game

but i think it's just awful word choice because he doesn't seem to think he's saying anything wrong?

Yep, I was saying it wrong.
I meant that how we respond to our emotions is in our control.

“I’m upset”

1. Thinking: “I should carefully figure out what I’m upset about and approach the problem effectively if I can and in my best interests in alignment with my morals and values”.
2. Not thinking: “i’mma punch it” *punches*

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Thinking outloud.

Luke was forced to claim.
They decided that rather than investigate quietly to out their result. With a conclusion that the player is probably town. I don’t know why he would assume that.

Dunn decided to protect Luke who could be scum, fake claiming then someone else.
It’s unclear or rather I don’t remember what his read of Luke was.

Both of them do calculated lying about their roles in abilities in the past so it’s hard to take either of their claims at face value. Even if they’re both town. As town they’ll lie to benefit their win con.
As scum they’ll lie because they’re scum.

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I find the idea that Dunn would lie about visiting Luke as town to cover for Luke to be totally alien unless they know they’re town. Or they’re scum partners.

I think it would be -ev conventionally for scum Luke to have Dunn scum cover for them without the plausibility of deniability by having some sort of role that could actually detect Dunn’s activity.

Unless they guessed Dunn was a PR but I dunno why.

I also don’t know why Luke decided to track Dunn.

Likewise, I’m not clear on what the miller is for as trackers still get an accurate result if they check millers right?

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I’m trying so very hard to articulate my difficulty reading and also trying to figure out sircakez.

One minute he’s dead certain the next he’s not.
One minute his scope and field of vision are so narrow that he clearly has blinders and then he backs up into something more reasonable, and I’m not sure if they’re responding to people’s reactions or if they’re just thinking on it more and branching out from there.
Their suggestion to limit kills to masons or vanilla’s is reasonable but it also conflicts with my sense that they’re narrowing the pool with artificial rules which I tend to associate with scum.

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Much contradictions, such something or other.

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Meuh’s entrance hits on my paranoia about spontaneity and intentionality. There’s a clear difference to their approach now and yesterday. I’m waiting to see how Dunn musters a defense, I’m not sure if it’s just unique to me because I’m annoying but he always seems to respond to accusations quickly.

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GL probably going to die just because of how they’re approaching this game. They’re not being actively responsive and delaying their point of view making. Harder to read them and also harder for them to be effective or leave their blueprint on the game.

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My reads have realigned to guilty lion+ somebody else.

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I would usually expect Pooky to be less forgiving but I see you think it’s because they’re buddies. Pooky was the one that called them out for it, but sometimes I’m tempted to call buddies out for obvious mistakes.

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Killing people for outrageous statements and lies never works out for me.

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It doesn’t even feel good because I derive the most enjoyment from the game from killing scum and get almost no catharsis from “hah, they deserved that”

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Sircakez is town because he literally doesn’t seem to know where his vote is.

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isis rep in????

Who’s going to pour the drinks to underaged teenagers(in international waters). Someone must tend the bar! *pounds fist on table*

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Mafia dream report:
I got limmed as town and I was *so* salty.

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Thanks for being here Prism, I was going to tease fire but i decided against it because we haven’t talked in awhile.

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*sigh* not that my reads are turning out any better.

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Pretty sure we were doomed even without the gambit. But I see your point!
-source: The last surviving scum player in that game.

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I was pretty convinced Dunn was a Mason way before he counter claimed SB.

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It was a solid move though.
winning more is never a bad thing and very good town play.

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please raise your hand if you think two millers in a setup where the only possible investigatives are tracker+rb makes any degree of sense

raise em high

*raises hand*
Mods are jerks.

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Is that rly Pooky scum.
Then again.
Maybe they’re just trying a different approach than doubling down when someone scum reads them. It looks townie to me tho.

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Yup. That’s Alisae.

Hmm. Well that’s good enough for me to seriously consider that I fucked up my read of Pooky, even though I don’t really remember Alisae being especially accurate.

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The threads are different colors.

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Ohhh, another thread.

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They sure are. I'm sure they'll pull out an all nighter and somehow manage to ace the bar though.

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Please see 207.

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The great thing about dying early is that my ego is intact.
It's not my fault we lost.
Clearly, I was the biggest, baddest threat to the scum team.
Probably.
*cough*

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Well, it sounds like you pointed correctly. I don't think, based on my estimation, it will be enough. It takes a lot to bring them down, usually multiple people need to piggyback off each other.

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My goodness, so many of Sk’s posts are going to bite them. They literally keep giving out two options and then keep choosing not scum.

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Still we deserve the loss for making a silly assumption. So, I have no hate.

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Hah, you read.

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I only really replace out when my personal/professional responsibilities are getting out of my control.

If I hadn’t died, I might have had to replace out because the amount of catch up I’ve had to do at work from missing 5 days of work is insane.

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Woops.

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Uh huh

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I mean, Meuh might not just be here RN and or/they're being careful.
9 times out of 10 they'll move in the next 3-4 hours.

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Pooky purposely telling Cakez not to vote Meuh while GL is acting is outting himself and he's been all over this day phase with very clear goals.
I find Prism trolling us doubtful.

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I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY STATEMENT.

I FIND PRISM TROLLING US TO BE VERY LIKELY, BUT NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

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Oh.
You actual bastard.

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*waits*

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I’m just confused now.
On the other hand, that’s my permanent status.

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Ugh, I can see any of the remaining players speculating on that for different reasons due to their individual idiosyncrasies.

I guess I don’t think Pooky or Gl are prone to that sort of role speculation unless their partner brings it up. But all of them would at least discuss it if their partner brought it up.

I don’t really understand why the scum team would have a huge debate about there being no miller if they decided to,

What? piggy back off the first miller claim because they speculated that the first miller claim was fake? That’s weird. It draws attention to them for no reason.

The first player that claimed Miller was Pooky,
But if Meuh isn’t scum then that means they lied about being a miller for *no* reason.

Neither player has an incentive to lie about a miller claim, but you stated the scum team was given information that there were no millers in the game, accidentally.

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Oh uh

That wasn't true LMAO, there is in fact at least one miller

That whole fakeclaim explanation was just a selling point for the two miller troll

I promise 290 is true though, I was going ???????????? over the Beholder fakeclaim request and then my eyes practically popped out of my skull when RH9 actually suggested it

Hey, you need explain that second sentence.

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Unfortunately this is in fact my fault.

Spoiler:

This all happened because one of the starting fakeclaims was a miller one,

which cued them off to the fact that there was no miller.

They figured there HAD to be a cop and were skeptical of Luke's claim as a result, but it literally doesn't even matter.

Let no good deed go unpunished. Never give the scumteam mechanical fakeclaims preemptively.

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*throws phone at Prism*

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Trying to come up with a solve before the game ends on me.
Having fun but 30 minutes of thinkings and all I’ve got is,

Meuh makes long infrequent posts - + scum.
Counter claimed a miller claim -? Scum.

Pooky: made the first miller claim - ? Scum.

There are all sorts of ways to look at each individual post and what they’re going for.

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I can weigh Meuh’s performance and say that how they’re responding to Pooky’s questions is poor. But I can only see that from the perspective of public relations, not whether Pooky is trying to find weakness to miselim then or trying to figure out Meuh’s alignment.

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I really hope it's Meuh, because saying "that's not scummy from Dunn" after they're confirmed scum from a town POV is blasphemous.

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Oh, also, Prism. There was a mod error this game.

You sent me the wrong track result on the night I died, smh.

Mistrial

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I really hope it's Meuh, because saying "that's not scummy from Dunn" after they're confirmed scum from a town POV is blasphemous.

Funny enough, that exact post made me second guess if she could actually be town lol

Figuring out the Rh9’s from the Meuhs from the sircakez of the world is a lost art. We just do our best.

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The meaning is that it’s an act that people think means someone is mafia.

What behaviors make someone mafia is everything from a cop guilty to tea leaves.

@Luke, I usually only put on that, okay they could be town for that One Post when there is some margin for doubt. E.g., someone claims a cop guilty on a player but I dunno if it’s really a cop guilty or not.

It sounds like Pooky is cleared.

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I largely agree that cakez, vibes don’t feel like scum anymore. He’s not coming off as if he’s in a bad position

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So basically our initial presumption was correct and Prism has just been trolling us the entire time in the dead thread.

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