Open 882: Over-Easy Mafia [Game Over]

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IM NOT READY!

VOTE: Alianna

Chances are since I rolled town Ali rolled scum. I hope not, but hope doesn’t scramble these eggs.

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Is anyone actually worried about the geriatric component

Last time we did a self imposed geriatric we gave up half way through, though this game doing 20 posts/day instead of the standard 10 posts/day might make it doable

Is it 20 a day or 20 in a day phase?

Also Ali, scrambled is the superior egg choice, they are still protected.

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Flower gets a sub page 5 townread.

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Sure. I think it’s more an approach thing. Hard for me to substantiate it, but I like the confidence he had.

The lolhammer part, I get and think it’s mostly null, it’s page 5 after all, I don’t think that things like that is particularly surprising. In fact I’m surprised someone didn’t lolhammer yet. I probably would in someone else’s shoes.

The urge is overwhelming, trust me.

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Good evening to only Drew!

I could see there being bussin' somewhere in yes, klazam, flower.

Last thing

For this to be true, the scum has to be me-

Yes and flower is voting me and hasn’t gone against each other that I can recall

I’m voting flower.

If this post was thought out with facts, you should be voting me. If it wasn’t, it was tossed out to shade people. I got me eye on you.

Klazam can get a town point too, if Merlyn is still voting me.

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VOTE: Klazam

I wanna try here

And hi there too

Crazy that yessiree rolled town with us

The “with us” component is bothering me. Feels like “yes is town, just like us”. Just the emphasis is eh.

VOTE: Flower

Is your read any deeper than this? Not saying it has to be, 5 pages in, just curious.

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Merlyn is voting flower but Klazams townpoint still stands.

VOTE: Merlyn

I’m happy with this, maybe even for the whole day!

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Crazy that it took y'all this long to realise Merlyn is scum

VOTE: Merlyn

We only have 4 posts left before we start dipping into our reserves, this is hard

@Klazam I think the “us” post that pinged you early is just tied to the pronouns they/them uses. So wasn’t, glad you rolled town with us….the other town.

But moreso, us since they/them is town. From their pov ofc.

Unless you took that into account then my bad OG.

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there's not enough support to force a Flower lim through given that RCE/yessiree/STD/Drew all townread us

okay, little group! What are you seeing in Flower that I'm not?

Ngl when I first said townpoints for flower I meant yessir. But it’s still the flower/yessir interaction that I’m townreading.

But from flowers perspective the conversation going -

Yessir: I think this timing is scummy
Flower: nope I think it’s normal
Yessir: well this is what I mean in more detail
Flower: ok yeah that makes sense when you put it like that.

Was towny for that point in the game. Also like the std read they threw out. I don’t think it’s a valid reason to scumread std but I liked the read for them.

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And then klazam challenging Merlyn to vote them at e-1 was the towniest thing I’ve seen this game so far.

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Cause there's two mafia, T-Bone's been flying under the radar, and we can't vote for two people at the same time but sure we can talk. Why did you think a gamblers fallacy tier post like

IM NOT READY!

VOTE: Alianna

Chances are since I rolled town Ali rolled scum. I hope not, but hope doesn’t scramble these eggs.

was serious instead of RVS when you posted this?

VOTE: rce I like the pun but not the reasoning

I didn't actually care whether the reasoning was fallacious or not, I didn't like that there was reasoning in an RVS at all. The vibe is kind of studied and practiced to me. I think even a 'voting Alianna bc she gotta be scum sometime' would have bothered me less, it was the sort of shoehorning in the 'bc I'm town this game' part that made me frown

The joke is specifically for Alianna so without being Alianna…yeah I guess thats fine.

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My hot take is eggs shouldn’t be spicy…

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What constitutes a nothing slot? Besides not having clashed head to head with somebody?

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Well tbf. I probably would have just hammered klazam and figured it out tomorrow. Think there was one more person that was active around the time and opted not to hammer so townpoint to them.

But maybe that makes klazam my partner actually… or that person could have been klazams partner.

Actually now that I’m on the topic I dunno why we’ve kinda blown past it and none of the voters followed up on what I would assume was a pressure wagon out of rvs.

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That was to flower.

Deflection, spy level 100.

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But maybe that makes klazam my partner actually… or that person could have been klazams partner.

speaking of perspective slips- why didn't you list the options where klazam turns out town?

Because I was being facetious.

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It's actually funny because I had thought that yessiree had dropped the PT tell on page 1 post 23 when he made a nonsequiter reference to Klaz's scum games or lack thereof. But the way Flower responds to yessiree and to everyone else they respond to upon their entrance is so different and also says "i have a PT" and it says to me "I have a PT with yessiree". Compare Flower's 25 a response to STD and their entrance, to 27 a response to yessiree. Then in 34 to Merlyn and again in 38 to STD. One of these things is not like the other. There is some get-to-know-you energy in Flower's responses to STD and Merlyn vs I-know-everything-about-you in response to yessiree. No, I'm not referencing to overall familiarity from other games. There is always this feeling out period that players need to do at the start of the game to see where they stand. Flower did not feel out yessiree at all like they did other players. That tells me they did it in their PT already. Flower goes on to feel out Klaz because they are meeting for the first time in this game on page 3. Then when Flower addresses yessiree again in 68 that's gone once again.

There's no sense in me quoting out of context so I will link to where I think it begins and you should read with my comments in mind.

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this seems wild

As a fellow moon thinker I like where TBone is coming from. However not to speak for yessiree but I think it’s common to make a snap judgement on players one way or the other. Which is going to shade how you interact with them, or don’t even.

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I’d be pretty annoyed if I went and gave a tangible case and instead of anyone challenging its merits. They just vote me to E-1. I probably wouldn’t engage in good faith at that point either because wth. Tell me why the case is bad, invalid, or coming from scum at the very least.

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In a vacuum I’d have to challenge my assertion that flower/yessiree are both town based on their interaction which I’m not ready to do yet. I’ve been going back and forth on TBone/drew because there could be something there. There is smoke. But also both have a stance where I can put myself in their shoes and say yeah, I’ve been on this side before.

I’d say std is the wolfiest voter.

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I’d be pretty annoyed if I went and gave a tangible case and instead of anyone challenging its merits. They just vote me to E-1. I probably wouldn’t engage in good faith at that point either because wth. Tell me why the case is bad, invalid, or coming from scum at the very least.

I get this impulse you have but I don't agree. I felt like I was challenging both Drew and Alianna on the merits of their posts. Especially Alianna in that interaction. Alianna made an assertion that I felt was indefensible, so demanding that she defend it is the logical next step, no?

I think the mismatch between Drew and I is Drew placing self-importance on "drew posting"/moon logic/whatever buzzword you want to insert here.

I wasn't bothered by e-1, and I wouldn't have been bothered had Drew actually hammered me. I don't play that way. I'm confident that I'm town and that I'm making progress in this game, and whether I get flipped or not is immaterial to how I play. I am hard to mislim, it's going to take both members of the scumteam to do it. That's a win too. Not my preferable outcome, but I'm not too arrogant a player to think that I have to be alive to win the game.

Ahh ok I get it. Rereading it looks more telling of aliannas alignment than Drew’s however.

I’d like drew to expand on what he thought was wrong with the case before I jump to big conclusions though.

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In a vacuum I’d have to challenge my assertion that flower/yessiree are both town based on their interaction which I’m not ready to do yet. I’ve been going back and forth on TBone/drew because there could be something there. There is smoke. But also both have a stance where I can put myself in their shoes and say yeah, I’ve been on this side before.

I’d say std is the wolfiest voter.

will you consider a Merlyn lim?

I mean, that’s where my vote is…

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That’s a misrep of the reason why I’m voting you

It’s a misrep of why everyone on the wagon is voting them. No worries.

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Have I refused to answer any of your questions up to this point?

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Merlyn is voting flower but Klazams townpoint still stands.

VOTE: Merlyn

I’m happy with this, maybe even for the whole day!

This wasn’t even about your vote being on me.

This was about klazam egging on a vote that wasn’t on his wagon at the time that would end with him being hammered and I garnered a townread from it.

But it did make me go back and read the interaction that led to you voting flower and I found it stilted. The kind of “look I’m advancing the game out of rvs” vote that I think is more scum indicative than not. Not because it doesn’t help the game but because it’s artificial.

I can’t say much about the sarcasm when prodded on it because I do the same but it’s nai. So I’ll give the benefit of the doubt there.

There was a consideration for awhile that you could be town if klazam is town and you avoided the hammer but it could easily be that hammering draws heat from not only town but even more damning could be a pr action n1. Also I didn’t have a better place to park my vote and you asking me about the klazam voters made me kind of side eye the whole interaction in a way it probably wouldn’t have if my vote wasn’t on you. It looks like trying to shift my focus elsewhere and I wasn’t a fan.

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Idk how I would change my voting trajectory after the fact but I guess.

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I don’t.

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It's pretty interesting how all of our scumreads have strong T-Bone partner energy

I don’t think pre flipping is that useful and I don’t really scumread TBone independently.

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That’s a misrep of the reason why I’m voting you

It’s a misrep of why everyone on the wagon is voting them. No worries.

This feels like a tell but idk if it's a towntell or a scumtell

In what way?

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It’s my only tangible scumread right now so.

Std could also be scum but only by lack of content and that’s not stronger for me than some content that I find scummy.

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UNVOTE: reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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I don’t wanna make an alignment gut call. Buuuut I will give a replacement a chance without the threat of dying on rep in.

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Aureal replaces Merlyn.

Reunited and it feels so gooood

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I feel like we're doing too many partner solves, should probably just flip the scummiest and go from there

+1

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Aureal I feel like you are setting me up here to take the fall regardless of klazams alignment and I’m not gonna lie, it’s not my jam.

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Also the more partner equity I accrue with klazam is just going to make me double down on hard reading klazam as town.

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Ahhh well actually idk because I could be town reading scum!klazam and their partner pushes the partner angle to make me a mislim the moment klazam flips.

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Not pinning you specifically as scum in both scenarios. I think the latter probably makes you town given the klazam vote.

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I know how mafia goes…

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I know how mafia goes…

What did you mean by this?

That I’ve been in mafia games before and I’ve seen a few things. Or been on the receiving end even.

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VOTE: aureal
Don’t think I was wrong.

And I’d go flower before either klazam or TBone.

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VOTE: aureal
Don’t think I was wrong.

And I’d go flower before either klazam or TBone.

Okay well Flower has more votes than Aureal and deadline is approaching.

Aureal can be town today for the paranoia but if the slot is scum I’m gonna find a tall building.

VOTE: Flower

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I will say I feel like yess and RC have been more in the background(could say std as well, but I might be biased because they always seem that way imo).

So I wouldn't mind really poking and prodding them a bit.

VOTE: RC

It’s like I said this would be a thing lol.

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VOTE: Aureal

I don’t think TBone being the primary option when there was a separate counterwagon to town in aureal is coincidence. Still on the TBone town train.

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Oh, I saw the vote TBone thing on skim and kind of thought he was getting run up.

UNVOTE:

Idk I think aureal refusing to omgus is kind of townie.

I thought TBone was town yesterday. Probably second behind klazam d1. I didn’t have the back and forth on TBone like I did with flower/yessir as far as which side of the fence to place them on. TBone townread just kinda stuck.

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So you were trying to express something about what's happening today, not day one?

That didn't really answer the question about townreading T-Bone. I'm not seeing much in your ISO about it, you didn't seem too fussed about him being the largest wagon for a while there.

Kind of. So I thought TBone was being run up. So my thought was why TBone? When aureal was the other counterwagon to town yesterday? Well the obvious answer is one would have the weight of scum behind it. The not obvious answer is…well TBone wasn’t getting run up I just not read so gud.

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Maybe I didn’t talk about my TBone read. When he was the leading wagon I didn’t townread him yet. I also didn’t scumread him. The theory he came up with was towny enough in the sense that I could see myself coming up with something similar and getting jumped on for it.

Later in the day though I thought flower was doing this weird buddy buddy thing that made me doubt the wagon and drew dropping in my reads brought TBone up. They’re both independent things though.

Also yeah I get flower was town but that’s what nudged me towards TBone being town.

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Aureal feels wooden to me that's why i want to vote there

not sure why the slot is getting tr so much

RC
Yessir

Aureal

Bone
std

Alianna

This is where I am kinda at, you and Aureal both kinda in the null slot, with me maybe slightly leaning scum on her.....so I wouldn't be too opposed to a wagon on her.

I feel like Alianna is being same ol townAlianna, and until she proves me wrong I will trust her read on yessir. And I feel, as I said, yessir and RC are the background players(or as Bone put it, in my blind spot), and RC seems to be making posts that don't seem genuine.

I could see you as scum, but I just feel you are in your town meta, but don't feel as strong about that as I do as Alianna.

Bone I just feel better about in general after really thinking about it. But the strongman thing is still a possibility, so I can't discount that possibility

In what way are my posts not genuine? Don’t make a broad generalization like that and put in literally zero work to figure out my process or even address issues you have with my posting.

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My partner did the kill after Flower jailed me obviously.

Can I interest anyone in some STD votes?

If you asked before drew started posting I’d be in lol
VOTE: Drew

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VOTE: drew

Hiyaah HAMMER!

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VOTE: Aureal

I don’t think TBone being the primary option when there was a separate counterwagon to town in aureal is coincidence. Still on the TBone town train.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

I do feel better about Bone though, yes they could strongman, but that is one specific scenario for that to happen, and odds are they are not strongman.

Flower said they'd jail T-Bone if Klazam flipped red. Klazam flipped green, so we don't know if T-Bone was jailed.

So the only real info I could get out of aliannas iso is that they didn’t follow TBone n1 and likely didn’t follow yessiree n1 or I don’t think they would have come out voting them the way they did.

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My best guess is drew without a solid result. But it’s speculative at best.

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Is that what you thought the vote was at the time?

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Sorry for the rep out I literally forgot the game existed. Wild week.

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RCEnigma the deep wolf, I know he's a slippery one now

also acquired critical info on Drew's scum game

little disappointed in town's lackluster performance in the endgame

Meh, I feel like the only thing I did this game was forge a fake trajectory on Aureal so I could fake a follower claim. Ended up not even being able to use it. But maybe it would have helped in eLo at some point

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RCEnigma the deep wolf, I know he's a slippery one now

also acquired critical info on Drew's scum game

little disappointed in town's lackluster performance in the endgame

He played really well. I suspected him the whole time, but he's really good at anticipating that he's about to get pushed and kicking you in the back of the leg to stop you before you even start. I could actually see that was what he was doing here, when he voted me day two then unvoted, it literally did stop me from voting him. But the way he phrased it made me decide to leave him for later. And then when later came T-Bone just decided he didn't care about things anymore and wanted to vote obvtown STD?!? So I kinda had to figure him as the partner instead even though individually Drew and RCE were much scummier.

But meh, even if we got Drew here that's almost certainly still a loss the next day.

You are a deduction player not dissimilar to FL so the facts to lead to me are there. Had to think like, well what would aureal at least think town!me would do and fake working through a process.

Think it’s kind of different because I was already locked into hard pushing your slot when you repped in and had to figure out damage control when you came in swinging.

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flavor

Now, without anyone left to oppose them, the Egg Smashers look at each other, and pull out their hammers, wide grins on their faces.

It is time to beat, whisk, and devil every last egg in this town.

And scramble.

We did scramble, the superior egg choice.

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Alianna one day. One day we will roll town together. No cats. No evil. It’ll be nice.

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Lol you might be on to something.

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I might just need to be a policy lim at this point.