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I need to feel out the other 2 in their posts

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If scum have a Strong man, Roleblocker would be negative town utility

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Who’s their partner RN?

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I’m worried I’m biasing towards Kop because they’re the one I’ve talked to the least.

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Who’s their partner RN?

If I knew do you think I'd be staying quiet about it?

What an unfair question. Hey Flavor, who's Skellen's partner?

I think me, and maybe you.

Cuz i think Skellen’s town.

But yeah, sorry for assuming you’d play the game and try to analyze in elo

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The question was cheating, how dare i think they could discuss possible partners in 5p Elo

How dare i

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Time to mass claim.

VT.

RN/Kop is the easy answer if I go off yesterday's POE, little surprised you/Skellen both survived the night though.

It’s starting to seem that way.

RN feels like salty scum

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I’m happy to go for RN/Kop or RN/ND.

I can’t tell which. Kop pings me more than ND, but I have big paranoia with ND.

Kop/ND going for the win here on RN, but imo, RN town is playing very poorly, so i think it’s just Occam’s Razor scumRN, and Enchant just got in the way of us going there yesterday.

RN gained an attitude out of nowhere starting yesterday, and it feels like salty scum.

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Yeah, it wouldn’t be a fake guilty, just a fake inno.

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My issue with ND is that everything they say is technically correct and makes a lot of sense.

I think if ND is scum, they’re setting up a bus on RN with hope it might go to Kop, but I think it makes sense to bus here if RN is scum.

Or ND/Kop is setting up a win on RN.

And if it’s Kop/RN, they’re just right.

Yeah, I’m comfortable saying it’s RN, I think.

RN roleblocked Skellen two nights in a row and is still thinking Skellen is open.

They’re openwolfing and actively not giving any true associatives away so their partner has a better chance tomorrow.

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I don't buy RN proposing massclaim yesterday as roleblocker. Why would he want to out himself?

This.

On top of avoiding associations.

The claim, both on a setup level and an objective level is likely from scum. Targeting Skellen twice, and the kill not blocked, and still having them as their only real scum read is bad.

Their TMI on Holdsteady from Day 1.

And their avoidance of Enchant Day 2.

Their end of day wagon hop onto Bugspray.

There’s actually a lot of reasons they are scum here.

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Like you’re right, but you saying it all feels like scum trying to get me to vote

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Ugh, everytime I have delved too much into setup spec things went south for me. I am more leaning on keeping it simple here, that it is as pretty much most 9p setups one with just two town prs. The only flipped role is an ungated Doctor and that is a pretty strong role for itself.
The FN can confirm two townies in best case and the Doc as well with one lucky safe. That's already third of the playerlist in a best case scenario. Add a Roleblocker to it with the right target and I can't even imagine what kind of power scum could possibly wield here.

Not too much of a fan of being the target for both nights either, but I have my thoughts so I would just like to hear.

I actually do like this the best, and it makes me comfortable.

All 4 of us think RN is scum.

This implies one scum is bussing and 3 townies are there, OR 2 scum pushinG RN trying to convince one of the two townies to vote.

I think it’s Occam’s Razor, RN scum.

VOTE: Random

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UNVOTE: RN

this game is so good

i have absolutely no clue lol

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Skellen does have a lot that looks like they could have tried to pocket me this game.

Spoiler:

Nuke has more posts here than Oassis, Skellen, Bugspray, and KittyTacky have combined. So does Flavor Leaf. Would like to hear more thoughts from those four.

I wouldn't normally think anything of this, but in combination with earlier posts like 27, 45, 47, would maybe count 25 too but it does actually make sense in context with the game in 49, I'm starting to think you're trying too hard to look helpful and pro-town.

Yeah. Is basically what is bothering me there as well. THS comes off like a mediator, not necessarily scummy, but it gives such a weird vibe. A little bit conflict-averse.

Tbh I was kind of hoping to get some stronger impressions from the whole FL-Gandhi conversation than I actually did.

At least I think the way FL was triggered by Gandhi's initial post and dug further into it feels organic/genuine. Probably coming more from town here.

Atm I am town on RN, ND and FL with no particular order. I only take people with two letters shortcuts.

Almost had Kitty too, don't feel commiting to it yet by intuition though.

I had nothing to say about the argument except that I think it's likely TvS with Gandhi S. Not much else of note happened that caught my attention.

In general I only comment when I have something new to say. I am a very reactive player and generally seek interaction when people interact with me.

So are you townreading FL or are you just PoEing here with scum!Gandhi? What gives you bad vibes abut Gandhi and why do you think it seems more to come from scum and not possibly a TvT like THS is considering?

While we are at it, what do you think of THS?

I think FL is more likely town because it doesn't have SvS vibes, but FL is good at scum so it's not a strong read. As for what gives me bad vibes, it's just... it felt very forced to me. That's about it. D1 I mostly rely on my gut.

Null on THS.

Hmm. I don''t like the clause about FL. Overall I can get what you mean though. What felt forced from Gandhi?

Also didn't you want to vote yesterday? You forgot it.

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I usually feel when I am in a pocket, though, and have a big sense of paranoia with the slot, i think if it's not you, it's probably ND/Kop.

Skellen killing Holdsteady and then not going for me or ND is really weird imo. Holdsteady town read Skellen heavily.

I guess so did you, though, so if you're town that was genuine.

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I was looking at it like Nautical was the one hiding behind empowering Enchant, but skellen was also right there when it was Holdsteady.

I'm starting to think I was in a pocket, which is kind of wild.

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UNVOTE: RN

this game is so good

i have absolutely no clue lol

What made you back off so easily?

I mean I don't have a clue right now, but you kinda backed off quite quickly.

it was like 3 hours later from when I voted, and I am consistently going back and forth. Just wasn't as sure as I was with RN as much as I was when I was voted them. I'm also weak to AtE, and you hadnt showed up yet.

I always planned to unvote before sleep too, because i have to be aware when votes on the table in elo.

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if RN is town, if the team was a pair of the other 3, then a quick hammer was possible.

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FL, were you in that game when I trapped JV, when JV and Worst was Scum?

Remember that tactic I did?

Pick your most suspected person and vote them. If no quickhammer happens then that person is most likely Scum.

isnt that what i just did to you, though

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Fair enough, I just get a little paranoid when at the rear end of the game, when someone votes and the person answers to that vote with that type of defence, then the person unvotes, it's like trying to showcase that your town to something you can point back too in the next phase.

why do i need to point back to anything but my claim

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it's not impossible. Kop said something that pinged me, though.

they said that a lot of my suspicions have flipped town, but my suspicions this game were Enchant slot and RN slot, and RN is unflipped.

Holdsteady was my backup when I wanted Enchant, and they were giving up at the end, and I had said they could be town.

And the only other flip is Kitty, someone i had an inno on.

so that's a little bit of a weird statement, especially considering they were on Bugspray.

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Fair enough, I just get a little paranoid when at the rear end of the game, when someone votes and the person answers to that vote with that type of defence, then the person unvotes, it's like trying to showcase that your town to something you can point back too in the next phase.

why do i need to point back to anything but my claim

You've obviously misread my post, I was relatively speaking about a scenario.

I did see your vote, but never made a comment on it as I quickly glanced whilst I was at work, and did originally think to myself why is he voting as it'd give scum a chance to hammer if RN was town. And why were we rushing through without ND or Skellen having much of a say.

I was confident.

Now I'm not. I wouldn't have voted if I wasn't ready for the game to end in that moment.

It didn't end.

And it's interesting to me that you noticed it and chose not to say anything.

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i will say, now that i finally get to have a real time back and forth with both of you, i am feeling like both skellen and ND were pocketing me and standing behind me supporting my push onto Enchant and Holdsteady.

Like, if Kop is town, their post implies that they thought it was mainly my suspicions that were flipping town, and not ND who pushed HS over me when I was going Enchant.

Going THS over Enchant left Enchant vs FL for Day 2. They were both on THS then Skellen moved to help Bugspray fade while ND stayed with Holdsteady.

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fuck this game, this is a 2v2 and i have to pick which 2

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I trust Skellen way more, but I can see the play, and I dont wanna be the crux of a big pocket play.

but like, i dont really want RN as scum to win this game.

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dont want scum to win, but if I had to order from who i'd like to win scum from most to least, I think they're at the bottom. I'd still be happy for them a couple hours after, but that's the one that would feel the worst on reveal.

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posting to show yall im around

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I don't buy RN proposing massclaim yesterday as roleblocker. Why would he want to out himself?

This.

On top of avoiding associations.

The claim, both on a setup level and an objective level is likely from scum. Targeting Skellen twice, and the kill not blocked, and still having them as their only real scum read is bad.

Their TMI on Holdsteady from Day 1.

And their avoidance of Enchant Day 2.

Their end of day wagon hop onto Bugspray.

There’s actually a lot of reasons they are scum here.

yeah, plenty of reasons why they are scum.

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Yeah, i can’t see myself going anywhere but RN either

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VOTE: Random Nurse

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Good job, ND

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I claimed 1 shot

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Thanks for modding, fun game.

Great partner in Nautical Dawn. They played really well.

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I tried so hard to rush Day 2 so that Kitty wouldn’t say anything that could mess the claim up.

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Yeah, i can’t be too perfect anymore with consistency and what not, Ya gotta do things for the willy nilly it’s townier

Ya gotta have a little scummy on ya

I didn’t think you were scummy, so i tried to avoid talking in depth on Kop scum reasons haha

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We also double downed on team up and the pocketing on Skellen, so it made it really hard to push either of us, I feel.

Only one time did we get brought up as partners even though we pushed and grouped together the whole time